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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » Some thoughts on OHMSS
| Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244519] |
So, 02 April 2006 04:56 |
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I watched this again this weekend and a number of things occurred to
me. First, let me say that this is my favorite Bond film. With the
exception of the ludicrous Telly Savalas, I think almost everything in
this film works. It has one of the best and most consistent scripts,
some exciting, albeit occasionally cheesy, fight scenes, a magnificent
score from John Barry, and a compelling storyline.
I don't think anyone could have filled Sean Connery's shoes more
effectively than George Lazenby. When you consider the fact that he
was a first-time actor, under enormous pressure from the media, dealing
with conflicts with his director and co-star, his performance is
nothing short of a miracle. Even without those elements, he does a
superb job. He's confident, suave, witty, good looking, and
physically impressive. He delivers his lines quite well
("Hilly-you old devil," for example, or "This never happened to
the other fella"), and I think his interaction with M. and Moneypenny
are very well done.
There will always be the "If only Lazenby had stayed"
counterfactual speculation (along with the "If only Dalton had
stayed" stuff), but given his work in OHMSS, I think Lazenby would
have done fantastic work with the role. A pity, etc.
I like Bernard Lee's work in this film more than in any other. He
shows some human touches, some humor, and some of the classic M.
impatience we all know and love. A pity he would be under- and misused
for the rest of his tenure in the role.
Diana Rigg is sexy and charming-a little unconvincing for a
half-Italian (Sicilian?) girl, perhaps, but she does great things with
her role. And she looks good in her bra and Bond's robe. . . .
My only real gripe? Telly Savalas as Blofeld. Preposterous.
Ridiculous. Abominable. Here's a European genius-terrorist, living
in Switzerland and hoping to be a count. He speaks with literate,
authoritative tones. And he's played by Kojak. Of all the actors
they could have chosen to play Blofeld, they chose Savalas. Oh, well.
Too bad Lazenby was immature and arrogant. Too bad the press had it
out for him (or anyone who filled Connery's shoes). Too bad his
agent advised him against signing that 7-picture deal. And too bad the
movie did relatively poorly at the box office. But at least we Bond
fanatics have this superb movie to enjoy.
AK
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244521 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 05:51 |
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akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> I watched this again this weekend and a number of things occurred to
> me. First, let me say that this is my favorite Bond film. With the
> exception of the ludicrous Telly Savalas, I think almost everything in
> this film works. It has one of the best and most consistent scripts,
> some exciting, albeit occasionally cheesy, fight scenes, a magnificent
> score from John Barry, and a compelling storyline.
--- I'd have to say OHMSS was truly the last great Bond film in the
classic sense. The series kind of flamed out after that and has
struggled, often awkwardly, with mixed results and ultimately has been
generally unsatisfying, in trying to recapture that luster of 60s Bond.
> I don't think anyone could have filled Sean Connery's shoes more
> effectively than George Lazenby. When you consider the fact that he
> was a first-time actor, under enormous pressure from the media, dealing
> with conflicts with his director and co-star, his performance is
> nothing short of a miracle. Even without those elements, he does a
> superb job. He's confident, suave, witty, good looking, and
> physically impressive. He delivers his lines quite well
> ("Hilly-you old devil," for example, or "This never happened to
> the other fella"), and I think his interaction with M. and Moneypenny
> are very well done.
--- Lazenby had his shortcomings, but he more than made up for them in
a number of scenes when his strengths as Bond showed through.
> There will always be the "If only Lazenby had stayed"
> counterfactual speculation (along with the "If only Dalton had
> stayed" stuff), but given his work in OHMSS, I think Lazenby would
> have done fantastic work with the role. A pity, etc.
--- Yes, it would've been interesting, and preferable, to have seen
Lazenby continue for at least a few more films. I think his presence
would've helped maintain the original spirit of the series. I'd even
say that his version of TMWTGG, if he were to have done it, might not
have been the tragic farce it became with Moore in it.
> I like Bernard Lee's work in this film more than in any other. He
> shows some human touches, some humor, and some of the classic M.
> impatience we all know and love. A pity he would be under- and misused
> for the rest of his tenure in the role.
--- This is true. It never struck me that way, but now that you
mention it...
> Diana Rigg is sexy and charming-a little unconvincing for a
> half-Italian (Sicilian?) girl, perhaps, but she does great things with
> her role. And she looks good in her bra and Bond's robe. . . .
--- Who cares if Rigg was "a little unconvincing" as being
half-Italian, whatever that would've entailed, she was still the ideal
actress to play her opposite Bond, with which, of course, you agree.
> My only real gripe? Telly Savalas as Blofeld. Preposterous.
> Ridiculous. Abominable. Here's a European genius-terrorist, living
> in Switzerland and hoping to be a count. He speaks with literate,
> authoritative tones. And he's played by Kojak. Of all the actors
> they could have chosen to play Blofeld, they chose Savalas. Oh, well.
--- Personally, I found Donald Pleasance as Blofeld in YOLT worse. I
wasn't too keen on Savalas, but he is Greek and Blofeld is of mixed
Polish and Greek decent, so in that respect he fits the bill. My gripe
with Savalas was that he spoke too American when his speech probably
should've called for a European, or at least a more cultured, delivery.
> Too bad Lazenby was immature and arrogant. Too bad the press had it
> out for him (or anyone who filled Connery's shoes). Too bad his
> agent advised him against signing that 7-picture deal. And too bad the
> movie did relatively poorly at the box office. But at least we Bond
> fanatics have this superb movie to enjoy.
>
> AK
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244523 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 06:07 |
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WQ wrote:
> akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > My only real gripe? Telly Savalas as Blofeld. Preposterous.
> > Ridiculous. Abominable. Here's a European genius-terrorist, living
> > in Switzerland and hoping to be a count. He speaks with literate,
> > authoritative tones. And he's played by Kojak. Of all the actors
> > they could have chosen to play Blofeld, they chose Savalas. Oh, well.
--- Savalas' role in OHMSS predated Kojak by about 4 years, so there
was no such connection possible at the time of OHMSS's release. He was
basically just another struggling actor at the time who had just come
off his psycho soldier role in The Dirty Dozen, probably his
highest-profile role to that point in his career.
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244526 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 06:33 |
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"WQ" <wq [at] email.com> wrote in message
news:1143950862.566850.243800 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> WQ wrote:
>> akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > My only real gripe? Telly Savalas as Blofeld. Preposterous.
>> > Ridiculous. Abominable. Here's a European genius-terrorist, living
>> > in Switzerland and hoping to be a count. He speaks with literate,
>> > authoritative tones. And he's played by Kojak. Of all the actors
>> > they could have chosen to play Blofeld, they chose Savalas. Oh, well.
>
> --- Savalas' role in OHMSS predated Kojak by about 4 years, so there
> was no such connection possible at the time of OHMSS's release. He was
> basically just another struggling actor at the time who had just come
> off his psycho soldier role in The Dirty Dozen, probably his
> highest-profile role to that point in his career.
Only if you omit his Oscar nomination for "The Birdman Of Alcatraz"
;-)
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244527 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 06:44 |
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Mike Vincitore wrote:
> "WQ" <wq [at] email.com> wrote in message
> news:1143950862.566850.243800 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > WQ wrote:
> >> akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > My only real gripe? Telly Savalas as Blofeld. Preposterous.
> >> > Ridiculous. Abominable. Here's a European genius-terrorist, living
> >> > in Switzerland and hoping to be a count. He speaks with literate,
> >> > authoritative tones. And he's played by Kojak. Of all the actors
> >> > they could have chosen to play Blofeld, they chose Savalas. Oh, well.
> >
> > --- Savalas' role in OHMSS predated Kojak by about 4 years, so there
> > was no such connection possible at the time of OHMSS's release. He was
> > basically just another struggling actor at the time who had just come
> > off his psycho soldier role in The Dirty Dozen, probably his
> > highest-profile role to that point in his career.
>
> Only if you omit his Oscar nomination for "The Birdman Of Alcatraz"
--- I forgot he was in that one. Was he? It's been ages since I saw
that film.
>
> ;-)
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244528 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 06:56 |
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I agree, WQ, about Savalas's speaking style in the film. He makes his
voice "velvety," which apparently he thought would make him
sophisticated, but I think Blofeld really needs an accent. Savalas was
all-around bad for the part.
If they had taken Michael Lonsdale from MR, put him in a time machine,
and cast him as Blofeld in OHMSS, it would have been PERFECT.
AK
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244967 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 09:39 |
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<akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1143946609.047164.223060 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Diana Rigg is sexy and charming-a little unconvincing for a
> half-Italian (Sicilian?) girl, perhaps, but she does great things with
> her role. And she looks good in her bra and Bond's robe. . . .
>
Half-french, to be precise. Her father is corsican. Apart from that, yes,
she's the absolute best Bond girl ever.
Gérard Morvan
"Kentoc'h Mervel!"
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244971 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 17:45 |
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Her mother is supposedly English in the film, not French.
AK
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244972 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 17:59 |
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<akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143946609.047164.223060 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>I watched this again this weekend and a number of things occurred to
> me. First, let me say that this is my favorite Bond film. With the
> exception of the ludicrous Telly Savalas, I think almost everything in
> this film works. It has one of the best and most consistent scripts,
> some exciting, albeit occasionally cheesy, fight scenes, a magnificent
> score from John Barry, and a compelling storyline.
>
It is one of the best Bond films, but I didn't have much of a problem with
Telly Savalas. I know many Bond fans thought he was miscast, but I found him
to be quite endearing in the film. I thought he humanized Blofeld more than
any other portrayal. As far as the fight scenes being "cheesy," I'm not so
sure I agree with that. The fight sequence in the room with the "gate
crasher" is one of my favorite fight scenes in any Bond film. The fight on
the beach was probably over-edited but I still didn't find it cheesy.
> I don't think anyone could have filled Sean Connery's shoes more
> effectively than George Lazenby. When you consider the fact that he
> was a first-time actor, under enormous pressure from the media, dealing
> with conflicts with his director and co-star, his performance is
> nothing short of a miracle. Even without those elements, he does a
> superb job. He's confident, suave, witty, good looking, and
> physically impressive. He delivers his lines quite well
> ("Hilly-you old devil," for example, or "This never happened to
> the other fella"), and I think his interaction with M. and Moneypenny
> are very well done.
>
I'm not as high on GL as you, although I found his performance to be quite
confident and workmanlike. I thought he delivered some of his lines in a
bland manner, reminded me of TD in that way. Neither he nor Tim had a knack
for delivering the one-liners, IMHO. By no means do I dislike his
performance, and I would have liked to see what he could have done with the
role if he had been given a chance. He portrayed Bond in a more ruthless
way, much like SC. GL was a pretty tough dude in this movie, which was a big
plus, IMHO. It's a shame they did away with that in later films. Another
thing that has always bothered me about GL was, it sounds like many of his
lines were dubbed, and not just the Hillary stuff. Many of his lines sound
dubbed. Maybe it's just me.
> There will always be the "If only Lazenby had stayed"
> counterfactual speculation (along with the "If only Dalton had
> stayed" stuff), but given his work in OHMSS, I think Lazenby would
> have done fantastic work with the role. A pity, etc.
>
> I like Bernard Lee's work in this film more than in any other. He
> shows some human touches, some humor, and some of the classic M.
> impatience we all know and love. A pity he would be under- and misused
> for the rest of his tenure in the role.
>
> Diana Rigg is sexy and charming-a little unconvincing for a
> half-Italian (Sicilian?) girl, perhaps, but she does great things with
> her role. And she looks good in her bra and Bond's robe. . . .
>
> My only real gripe? Telly Savalas as Blofeld. Preposterous.
> Ridiculous. Abominable. Here's a European genius-terrorist, living
> in Switzerland and hoping to be a count. He speaks with literate,
> authoritative tones. And he's played by Kojak. Of all the actors
> they could have chosen to play Blofeld, they chose Savalas. Oh, well.
>
> Too bad Lazenby was immature and arrogant. Too bad the press had it
> out for him (or anyone who filled Connery's shoes). Too bad his
> agent advised him against signing that 7-picture deal. And too bad the
> movie did relatively poorly at the box office. But at least we Bond
> fanatics have this superb movie to enjoy.
>
> AK
>
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244979 ] |
So, 02 April 2006 22:52 |
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<akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1143992726.089046.130270 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Her mother is supposedly English in the film, not French.
>
> AK
But her father _is_ french. Corsica is still a part of France, unless a
treaty has been signed to give it back to Italy (although I don't think the
Corsicans would want to).
Gérard Morvan
"Kentoc'h Mervel!"
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244982 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 01:52 |
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Regarding Savalas as Blofeld, I thought he was fine. He's the only one
of the three on-screen Blofelds who seemed to me to be a genuine threat
to Bond and the only one to play the role seriously IMHO. (I admit
that Gray and Pleasance are entertainingly campy, but that's not quite
how I see the character myself.)
Fleming's Blofeld, as introduced in TB, is a curious mixture of the
thuggish and the refined (or even the effete), and I think Savalas
manages both of those extremes very well. Admittedly, in Fleming's
OHMSS, the character is a far more aquiline and high-class character
than is depicted in the movie, but the reworking of the plot in the
film demands somebody a bit more physically robust to play the role.
I don't know. If you put aside the 'Kojak' connection - which is kind
of irrelevant when you consider that it was several years after OHMSS
that Savalas took on that role - I don't see what's seriously wrong
with him as Blofeld.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244984 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 04:28 |
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Yeah, Corisca/France. Totally the same thing. Like Kansas and Puerto
Rico.
And Diana Rigg is not a convincing Corsican . . .
AK
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244996 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 16:27 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1144021946.040646.316460 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Regarding Savalas as Blofeld, I thought he was fine. He's the only one
> of the three on-screen Blofelds who seemed to me to be a genuine threat
> to Bond and the only one to play the role seriously IMHO. (I admit
> that Gray and Pleasance are entertainingly campy, but that's not quite
> how I see the character myself.)
>
> Fleming's Blofeld, as introduced in TB, is a curious mixture of the
> thuggish and the refined (or even the effete), and I think Savalas
> manages both of those extremes very well. Admittedly, in Fleming's
> OHMSS, the character is a far more aquiline and high-class character
> than is depicted in the movie, but the reworking of the plot in the
> film demands somebody a bit more physically robust to play the role.
>
> I don't know. If you put aside the 'Kojak' connection - which is kind
> of irrelevant when you consider that it was several years after OHMSS
> that Savalas took on that role - I don't see what's seriously wrong
> with him as Blofeld.
And he had the bald thing down *cold.*
;)
Savalas is terrific in one of my favorite guilty-pleasure films, "Kelly's
Heroes." As are Clint Eastwood, Donald Sutherland, Carroll O'Connor, Harry
Dean Stanton, and the hilariously irascible Don Rickles.
See it. Fun movie.
Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that a Sherman can give you a very nice...edge."
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244997 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 17:15 |
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>And he had the bald thing down *cold.*
In an interview he said he wasn't really bald he just liked his head
shaved. I've also seen him in a few things with hair and it was kinda
weird seeing as he was so identified with that trademark.
I liked Savalas a lot in the role of Blofeld although he didn't
convince me he was Polish/French/ or anything else European (well other
than Greek maybe)
Regards,
Matt.
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #244999 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 17:44 |
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Tom. Matt L:
> >And he had the bald thing down *cold.*
>
> In an interview he said he wasn't really bald he just liked his head
> shaved. I've also seen him in a few things with hair and it was kinda
> weird seeing as he was so identified with that trademark.
Coincidentally, given what's being discussed on another thread, one of
the films in which Savalas appears with hair is the original 'Cape
Fear'.
Tom has the monopoly on the 'A' word, so I'll leave it to him to say it
;-)
Best
Phil
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #245005 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 19:08 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1144079060.961786.44790 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Tom. Matt L:
>
>> >And he had the bald thing down *cold.*
>>
>> In an interview he said he wasn't really bald he just liked his head
>> shaved. I've also seen him in a few things with hair and it was kinda
>> weird seeing as he was so identified with that trademark.
>
> Coincidentally, given what's being discussed on another thread, one of
> the films in which Savalas appears with hair is the original 'Cape
> Fear'.
>
> Tom has the monopoly on the 'A' word, so I'll leave it to him to say it
> ;-)
Awesome!
Er...I mean, Amazing!
;)
Tom
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #245011 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 20:08 |
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Matt L wrote:
>> And he had the bald thing down *cold.*
>
> In an interview he said he wasn't really bald he just liked his head
> shaved. I've also seen him in a few things with hair and it was kinda
> weird seeing as he was so identified with that trademark.
I'm fairly certain it was vanity on Telly's part. He was certainly wearing
a wig in CAPE FEAR and has a Patrick Stewart thing (hair at sides and
a cranial desert on top) going on in an early episode of THE TWILIGHT
ZONE.
--
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--Mac
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #245012 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 20:21 |
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Losing it was definitely the right way for him to go.
Matt
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #245015 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 21:56 |
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Mac wrote:
> He was certainly wearing a wig in CAPE FEAR
You're right. It's been ages since I've seen the film, but I seem to
recall one of those peculiar partings that you only really see on
hairpieces, and of course, in 'The Birdman of Alcatraz', from the same
year, his dome is as shiny as usual.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246069 ] |
Di, 04 April 2006 10:42 |
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<akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1144031289.097648.114670 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Yeah, Corisca/France. Totally the same thing. Like Kansas and Puerto
> Rico.
>
More like Kansas and Alaska. If we had the same system as the United States,
Corsica would be two full-fledged states (there are two departments on this
island), while New Caledonia will be a territory. Besides, it's been french
since the 18th century. And somehow, Marc-Ange doesn't sound very italian to
me.
Gérard Morvan
"Kentoc'h Mervel!"
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246095 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 15:45 |
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"gerard.morvan" <gerard.morvan [at] wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:44323184$0$20174$8fcfb975 [at] news.wanadoo.fr...
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> <akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1144031289.097648.114670 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> Yeah, Corisca/France. Totally the same thing. Like Kansas and Puerto
>> Rico.
>>
> More like Kansas and Alaska. If we had the same system as the United
> States, Corsica would be two full-fledged states (there are two
> departments on this island), while New Caledonia will be a territory.
> Besides, it's been french since the 18th century. And somehow, Marc-Ange
> doesn't sound very italian to me.
Neither did Napoleon!
Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that he just spoke to him last week..."
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246112 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 01:00 |
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:45:32 -0500, Tom Zielinski wrote:
> "gerard.morvan" <gerard.morvan [at] wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:44323184$0$20174$8fcfb975 [at] news.wanadoo.fr...
>>
>> <akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> 1144031289.097648.114670 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>> Yeah, Corisca/France. Totally the same thing. Like Kansas and Puerto
>>> Rico.
>>>
>> More like Kansas and Alaska. If we had the same system as the United
>> States, Corsica would be two full-fledged states (there are two
>> departments on this island), while New Caledonia will be a territory.
>> Besides, it's been french since the 18th century. And somehow, Marc-Ange
>> doesn't sound very italian to me.
>
>
> Neither did Napoleon!
>
>
>
>
> Tom Zielinski
> "...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
> particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
> ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
> delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
> that he just spoke to him last week..."
Bond picked up his glass and drained it. He filled it again from the
shaker. He said, "I'm not surprised. It's the old business of thinking
you're the King of England,',or the President of the United States, or God.
The asylums are full of them. The only difference is that instead of being
shut up, you've built your own asylum and shut yourself up in it. But why
did you do it? Why does sitting shut up in this cell give you the illusion
of power?"
--
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen [at] leviathanstudios.com
"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01
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Do, 06 April 2006 02:23 |
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I also recall that Patrick Stewart thing in at least one episode of "The
Untouchables".
--
Mike Vincitore
"Worry is a dividend paid to disaster before it is due"
(Ian Fleming's 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service', Ch. 1)
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246630 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 08:03 |
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At 6:56pm -0800, 04/01/06, akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>I don't think anyone could have filled Sean Connery's shoes more
>effectively than George Lazenby. When you consider the fact that he was
>a first-time actor, under enormous pressure from the media, dealing with
>conflicts with his director and co-star, his performance is nothing short
>of a miracle.
Were there actual conflicts on set? Wasn't that all exaggerated in the
press, nothing but gossip? I know Lazenby, inexperienced, expected the
director to hold his hand and didn't like it when he thought he wasn't
getting good feedback but that was probably more his own nervousness. No
Shakespearian actor, but I have a feeling that Dianna Rigg was still
reasonably nice to him.
>There will always be the "If only Lazenby had stayed"
>counterfactual speculation (along with the "If only Dalton had
>stayed" stuff), but given his work in OHMSS, I think Lazenby would
>have done fantastic work with the role. A pity, etc.
Somehow, if Lazenby had stayed, I suspect that the script of DAF wouldn't
have been any better.
>Diana Rigg is sexy and charming-a little unconvincing for a
>half-Italian (Sicilian?) girl, perhaps, but she does great things with
>her role. And she looks good in her bra and Bond's robe. . . .
She can play any woman.
Actually, this has always been my main complaint about the film, that the
director had no appreciation for her beauty. In several scenes, the camera
leers at her with closeups of her ass and other body parts. Uh, we're
guys. We watched her for three years as Mrs. Peel. We don't want her
treated like a pole dancer.
>My only real gripe? Telly Savalas as Blofeld. Preposterous.
>Ridiculous. Abominable. Here's a European genius-terrorist, living
>in Switzerland and hoping to be a count. He speaks with literate,
>authoritative tones. And he's played by Kojak. Of all the actors
>they could have chosen to play Blofeld, they chose Savalas. Oh, well.
Blame Fleming, who tried to humanize Blofeld in that novel by giving him
some down-to-earth flaws.
I have no objection to Savalas' performance. Given the material, I don't
think he plays it over the top. I prefer his Blofeld to Donald Pleasance.
That wasn't Kojak! "Marcus-Nelson Murders" wouldn't air till 1973, a tv
movie I'm rather fond of, even though I disliked the Kojak tv series.
No, that was Pontius Pilate or Maggott.
I agree with your other comments.
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246631 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 08:12 |
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At 8:15am -0700, 04/03/06, Matt L <mlawrenc [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>>And he had the bald thing down *cold.*
>In an interview he said he wasn't really bald he just liked his head
>shaved.
He shaved his head for "Greatest Story Ever Told" and kept the look. Of
course, he may have really been bald a few years later...
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246657 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 20:26 |
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There were indeed conflicts on the set, Adam, and afterwards in the
press as well. Lazenby and Rigg exchanged some rather weird letters in
the newspapers (published side by side), among other things.
I think the DAF script was in part a tongue-in-cheek, "Look, Sean's
back!" kind of thing. Probably wouldn't have been the same with
Lazenby. It's almost diametrically opposed to OHMSS' script, and I
think intentionally so. And it's a very weak entry, IMO.
AK
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246661 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 09:38 |
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At 11:26am -0700, 04/08/06, akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>There were indeed conflicts on the set, Adam, and afterwards in the
>press as well. Lazenby and Rigg exchanged some rather weird letters in
>the newspapers (published side by side), among other things.
George was one weird dude.
>I think the DAF script was in part a tongue-in-cheek, "Look, Sean's
>back!" kind of thing. Probably wouldn't have been the same with Lazenby.
>It's almost diametrically opposed to OHMSS' script, and I think
>intentionally so. And it's a very weak entry, IMO.
My guess is if George had shown up for work the day DAF began filming, he
would have been reading from a similar script. The DAF script was a
reaction to the perceived failure of OHMSS.
Maybe ditzy Tiffany Case was also a reaction. We tried giving Bond an
intelligent woman...
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246683 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 20:31 |
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I believe there is evidence that Maibaum intended to have DAF with
Lazenby pick up right at the end of OHMSS, with Bond pursuing some kind
of revenge against Blofeld, quite unlike what we got Connery. People
better versed with this slice of Bond history can verify it, but I'm
fairly sure this was the intention.
I've even heard that DAF was possibly to begin with Tracy's murder, but
this idea was nixed and used at the end of OHMSS.
AK
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246686 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 23:46 |
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk [at] chinet.com> said:
>At 11:26am -0700, 04/08/06, akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>>There were indeed conflicts on the set, Adam, and afterwards in the
>>press as well. Lazenby and Rigg exchanged some rather weird letters in
>>the newspapers (published side by side), among other things.
>George was one weird dude.
I interviewed him once and was told they were secretly in love at the time
and were putting on the hatred act so the press wouldn't notice the real
scene.
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #246936 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 00:30 |
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At 5:46pm -0400, 04/09/06, Rich Handley <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk [at] chinet.com> said:
>>At 11:26am -0700, 04/08/06, akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>>>There were indeed conflicts on the set, Adam, and afterwards in the
>>>press as well. Lazenby and Rigg exchanged some rather weird letters in
>>>the newspapers (published side by side), among other things.
>>George was one weird dude.
>I interviewed him once and was told they were secretly in love at the time
>and were putting on the hatred act so the press wouldn't notice the real
>scene.
Did Dianna Rigg know about this? I've been not-so-secretly in love with
her for years myself. Guess I have to give George a few points for having
a bit of taste.
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #248119 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 00:52 |
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Rich Handley <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote in
news:j30j3290d69n3lbdvvui26q8091r53kk3u [at] 4ax.com:
> I interviewed him once and was told they were secretly in love at the
> time and were putting on the hatred act so the press wouldn't notice
> the real scene.
You know, I've heard that hinted at once or twice by other cast members in
the time I've been hanging around this group. I'd love to read direct
quotes from cast members clearly corroborating that. I can't imagine it
would hurt anyone's reputation at this point, Dame Diane included.
Lee Edward McIlmoyle,
has always suspected it anyway, right or wrong
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| Re: Some thoughts on OHMSS [message #248120 ] |
Fr, 14 April 2006 01:02 |
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk [at] chinet.com> wrote in
news:Pine.LNX.4.63.0604090233160.18204 [at] qbbshf.puvarg.pbz:
> My guess is if George had shown up for work the day DAF began filming,
> he would have been reading from a similar script. The DAF script was a
> reaction to the perceived failure of OHMSS.
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> Maybe ditzy Tiffany Case was also a reaction. We tried giving Bond an
> intelligent woman...
Sadly, I tend to agree with this. DAF as a whole feels like a total 180°
turn for the production team, who clearly feared the backlash they had
received. Frankly, I think it would have made a stronger case for itself if
they had stuck to their guns, but no one wanted to take a chance.
Lee Edward McIlmoyle,
shouldn't be posting/has work to do
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