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Dumbledore's powers [message #243974] So, 02 April 2006 15:23
Jim Hawkins  
Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
extinguish
the Privet Drive streetlamps ?

Jim Hawkins
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #243981 ] So, 02 April 2006 17:23
pooter  
Jim Hawkins [jimhawkins [at] manx.net] said
> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
> extinguish
> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>
> Jim Hawkins
>
>
>

Because it is a story, written from the imagination of the author.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #243986 ] So, 02 April 2006 18:07
Jim Hawkins  
"pooter" <a [at] bff.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e99fcad14165c7e98a6dd [at] nntp.dsl.pipex.com...
> Jim Hawkins [jimhawkins [at] manx.net] said
>> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
>> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
>> extinguish
>> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>>
>> Jim Hawkins
>>
>>
>>
>
> Because it is a story, written from the imagination of the author.

No, really ? You do surprise me !

Jim Hawkins
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #243987 ] So, 02 April 2006 18:16
mewthree  
"Jim Hawkins" <jimhawkins [at] manx.net> wrote in message
news:DgQXf.32531$1g.24649 [at] fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
> extinguish
> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>
> Jim Hawkins
>

my theory would be that it stores the light so he can put it back later.
uses less energy?
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #243993 ] So, 02 April 2006 19:38
Ken  
Jim Hawkins wrote:
> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
> extinguish
> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>
> Jim Hawkins

DD used many objects besides wands. The wand can't do everything.

Ken
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244003 ] So, 02 April 2006 20:32
wadkin2000  
Here in Minnesota wrote:
> Jim Hawkins wrote:
> > Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
> > flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
> > extinguish
> > the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
> >
> > Jim Hawkins
>
> DD used many objects besides wands. The wand can't do everything.
>
> Ken


Interesting thought...about wizards' magic and power. We only have one
book to go, and to me, it seems that the kids at Hogwarts don't know
even a third of what the adult wizards know. I realize if you want to
be an auror, there's additional study and training, but considering how
advanced the adults' magic is, I'm surprised that there isn't a
"Hogwart's University" or similar.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244009 ] So, 02 April 2006 20:49
drusilla  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
> Here in Minnesota wrote:
>> Jim Hawkins wrote:
>>> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
>>> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
>>> extinguish
>>> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>>>
>>> Jim Hawkins
>> DD used many objects besides wands. The wand can't do everything.
>>
>> Ken
>
>
> Interesting thought...about wizards' magic and power. We only have one
> book to go, and to me, it seems that the kids at Hogwarts don't know
> even a third of what the adult wizards know.

Mostly muggle kids don't know either a third of what adult muggles know.

I realize if you want to
> be an auror, there's additional study and training, but considering how
> advanced the adults' magic is, I'm surprised that there isn't a
> "Hogwart's University" or similar.

According to Jo, there isn't.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244022 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 00:39
Thomas Madura  
drusilla wrote:

> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
>
>> Here in Minnesota wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Hawkins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
>>>> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
>>>> extinguish
>>>> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Hawkins
>>>
>>> DD used many objects besides wands. The wand can't do everything.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting thought...about wizards' magic and power. We only have one
>> book to go, and to me, it seems that the kids at Hogwarts don't know
>> even a third of what the adult wizards know.
>
>
> Mostly muggle kids don't know either a third of what adult muggles know.
>
> I realize if you want to
>
>> be an auror, there's additional study and training, but considering how
>> advanced the adults' magic is, I'm surprised that there isn't a
>> "Hogwart's University" or similar.
>
>
> According to Jo, there isn't.
>

WHat really has me stumped it this....

DD Knew the prophecy.
DD knew that Harry will have to fight RIDDLE eventually
Every Year - Harry has another fight on his hand.
WHY has there been no Advanced Training or Hurry up training - or
special training (Other than Occlumency).
It appears that NOTHING special is being done to prepare Harry for his
destiny with Riddle.
Not even the History of Voldythingy! Nothing.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244030 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 01:50
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244031 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 01:55
Brent Braten  
> WHat really has me stumped it this....
>
> DD Knew the prophecy.
> DD knew that Harry will have to fight RIDDLE eventually
> Every Year - Harry has another fight on his hand.
> WHY has there been no Advanced Training or Hurry up training - or
> special training (Other than Occlumency).
> It appears that NOTHING special is being done to prepare Harry for his
> destiny with Riddle.
> Not even the History of Voldythingy! Nothing.

Let's just say that Dumbledore is too smart for his own good and when he
makes a mistake it is a BIG mistake
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244035 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 04:09
wadkin2000  
Brent Braten wrote:
> > WHat really has me stumped it this....
> >
> > DD Knew the prophecy.
> > DD knew that Harry will have to fight RIDDLE eventually
> > Every Year - Harry has another fight on his hand.
> > WHY has there been no Advanced Training or Hurry up training - or
> > special training (Other than Occlumency).
> > It appears that NOTHING special is being done to prepare Harry for his
> > destiny with Riddle.
> > Not even the History of Voldythingy! Nothing.
>
> Let's just say that Dumbledore is too smart for his own good and when he
> makes a mistake it is a BIG mistake


I don't know if it's necessarily being too smart. I think perhaps it's
poor judgment. I really do believe that his perspective on Harry was
unfortunately influenced by his feelings for him. He learned the hard
way what parents learn all the time: that as much as you want to, you
can't always protect kids from the world; and realistically, even if
you could, it wouldn't necessarily be the best choice for the child.

As far as Harry's concerned, I think DD's motto should have been:
Knowledge is definitely power!
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244039 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 06:08
Imagun Aqilya  
"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:poYXf.53705$bn3.2223 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> drusilla wrote:
>
>> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
>>
>>> Here in Minnesota wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Hawkins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
>>>>> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
>>>>> extinguish
>>>>> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Hawkins
>>>>
>>>> DD used many objects besides wands. The wand can't do everything.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting thought...about wizards' magic and power. We only have one
>>> book to go, and to me, it seems that the kids at Hogwarts don't know
>>> even a third of what the adult wizards know.
>>
>>
>> Mostly muggle kids don't know either a third of what adult muggles know.
>>
>> I realize if you want to
>>
>>> be an auror, there's additional study and training, but considering how
>>> advanced the adults' magic is, I'm surprised that there isn't a
>>> "Hogwart's University" or similar.
>>
>>
>> According to Jo, there isn't.
>>
>
> WHat really has me stumped it this....
>
> DD Knew the prophecy.
> DD knew that Harry will have to fight RIDDLE eventually
> Every Year - Harry has another fight on his hand.
> WHY has there been no Advanced Training or Hurry up training - or special
> training (Other than Occlumency).
> It appears that NOTHING special is being done to prepare Harry for his
> destiny with Riddle.
> Not even the History of Voldythingy! Nothing.

No amount of special training is going to help a 17 year old kid defeat the
most powerful dark wizard of all time. The only weapon Harry has against V
is Love and since you can't teach love there wasn't really much for DD to
do.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244049 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 10:35
Toon  
On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:23:10 +0100, "Jim Hawkins" <jimhawkins [at] manx.net>
wrote:

>Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
>flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
>extinguish
>the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>
>Jim Hawkins
>


Efficiency. Take to long to do it one at a time.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244050 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 10:36
Toon  
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:50:48 GMT, IMS <iscott [at] twcny.rr.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:23:10 +0100, "Jim Hawkins" <jimhawkins [at] manx.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
>>flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
>>extinguish
>>the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>>
>>Jim Hawkins
>>
>
>The same reason people carry lighters when matches will do the same
>thing. In other words, he likes gadgets....as noted by all the stuff in
>his office.
>
>

Lighters are easier to relight, and light originally most times.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244080 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 18:09
Thomas Madura  
Imagun Aqilya wrote:
> "Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:poYXf.53705$bn3.2223 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>drusilla wrote:
>>
>>
>>>wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Here in Minnesota wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jim Hawkins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
>>>>>>flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
>>>>>>extinguish
>>>>>>the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Hawkins
>>>>>
>>>>>DD used many objects besides wands. The wand can't do everything.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Interesting thought...about wizards' magic and power. We only have one
>>>>book to go, and to me, it seems that the kids at Hogwarts don't know
>>>>even a third of what the adult wizards know.
>>>
>>>
>>>Mostly muggle kids don't know either a third of what adult muggles know.
>>>
>>> I realize if you want to
>>>
>>>
>>>>be an auror, there's additional study and training, but considering how
>>>>advanced the adults' magic is, I'm surprised that there isn't a
>>>>"Hogwart's University" or similar.
>>>
>>>
>>>According to Jo, there isn't.
>>>
>>
>>WHat really has me stumped it this....
>>
>>DD Knew the prophecy.
>>DD knew that Harry will have to fight RIDDLE eventually
>>Every Year - Harry has another fight on his hand.
>>WHY has there been no Advanced Training or Hurry up training - or special
>>training (Other than Occlumency).
>>It appears that NOTHING special is being done to prepare Harry for his
>>destiny with Riddle.
>>Not even the History of Voldythingy! Nothing.
>
>
> No amount of special training is going to help a 17 year old kid defeat the
> most powerful dark wizard of all time. The only weapon Harry has against V
> is Love and since you can't teach love there wasn't really much for DD to
> do.
>
>

Well - that would be the case ONLY if Harry's only enemy was
Riddlethingy. However - there are a whole set of Death Eaters out there
lusting at the possibility of bringing back Harry's head as a trophy to
their master. DD never even prepared Harry to defend himself against
Draco - much less the others.

Also - Harry has already been in Battles with Riddlethingy - At the
mirror - and at the Ministry and when Riddle "returned". RIddle still
survives - even though Harry has his "LOVE" - and his mother isn't going
to supply anymore now that she is dead. If it was only Harry's love that
would kill RIDDLE - then why is RIDDLE alive now?

The problem I have with the "love" thing is that DD said it was what
PROTECTED Harry. It is protection. It is not necessarily an offensive
weapon.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244084 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 20:15
aaron  
Thom Madura wrote:
> Well - that would be the case ONLY if Harry's only enemy was
> Riddlethingy. However - there are a whole set of Death Eaters out there
> lusting at the possibility of bringing back Harry's head as a trophy to
> their master. DD never even prepared Harry to defend himself against
> Draco - much less the others.
>
> Also - Harry has already been in Battles with Riddlethingy - At the
> mirror - and at the Ministry and when Riddle "returned". RIddle still
> survives - even though Harry has his "LOVE" - and his mother isn't going
> to supply anymore now that she is dead. If it was only Harry's love that
> would kill RIDDLE - then why is RIDDLE alive now?

Simple! Book 7 hasn't been published yet! And now let us returned to
the regularly scheduled "milking it." ;) [1]

-Aaron

[1] By the way, I agree with you completely. DD was stupid not to train
Harry on how to defend himself better. He's got many more enemies than
V alone, and they don't give a shit about his mother's love.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244086 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 20:18
Matt Clara  
"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e0p6c1$1d4$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
> > Here in Minnesota wrote:
> >> Jim Hawkins wrote:
> >>> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
> >>> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
> >>> extinguish
> >>> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
> >>>
> >>> Jim Hawkins
> >> DD used many objects besides wands. The wand can't do everything.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >
> >
> > Interesting thought...about wizards' magic and power. We only have one
> > book to go, and to me, it seems that the kids at Hogwarts don't know
> > even a third of what the adult wizards know.
>
> Mostly muggle kids don't know either a third of what adult muggles know.
>

That's why we have universities for muggles.

> I realize if you want to
> > be an auror, there's additional study and training, but considering how
> > advanced the adults' magic is, I'm surprised that there isn't a
> > "Hogwart's University" or similar.
>
> According to Jo, there isn't.
>

Yes, and that's why he has a point. Like in the real world, the kids don't
learn enough for even a trade from basic schooling, let alone mastery of
intricate arts, so it's surprising there isn't a university.

--
Regards,
Matt Clara
www.mattclara.com
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #244116 ] Di, 04 April 2006 07:23
Imagun Aqilya  
"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:bNbYf.678079$qk4.306584 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> Well - that would be the case ONLY if Harry's only enemy was Riddlethingy.
> However - there are a whole set of Death Eaters out there lusting at the
> possibility of bringing back Harry's head as a trophy to their master. DD
> never even prepared Harry to defend himself against Draco - much less the
> others.
>
> Also - Harry has already been in Battles with Riddlethingy - At the
> mirror - and at the Ministry and when Riddle "returned". RIddle still
> survives - even though Harry has his "LOVE" - and his mother isn't going
> to supply anymore now that she is dead. If it was only Harry's love that
> would kill RIDDLE - then why is RIDDLE alive now?
>
> The problem I have with the "love" thing is that DD said it was what
> PROTECTED Harry. It is protection. It is not necessarily an offensive
> weapon.

Seems to me that none of the Death Eaters had much inclination to kill Harry
before V came back. After that V was too scared to attack Harry for fear of
being killed again. Harry was pretty well protected from the Death eaters
with all his escorts and guards everywhere he went.
DD gave Harry the whole speech about why he didn't tell Harry sooner about
the prophecy. He wanted Harry to be happy and didn't want to freak him out.
He could just as easily have included a bit of Yoda's 'fear leads to the
Darkside' speech. If you want to nurture a child to grow up with to be a
very loving person you would kinda mess him up if you told him that half the
wizarding community wants to kill him and that one day he'll have to kill or
be killed by the same maniac that killed his parents.
Harry did get into some pretty dangerous situations in the first couple
years with V in his various incarnations but those encounters Did serve to
cement some pretty intense friendships. You can't teach that kind of love,
but in the end, I think it will be that love that saves Harry and vanquishes
V once and for all.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245411 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:16
Toon  
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:09:43 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Also - Harry has already been in Battles with Riddlethingy - At the
>mirror - and at the Ministry and when Riddle "returned". RIddle still
>survives - even though Harry has his "LOVE" - and his mother isn't going
>to supply anymore now that she is dead. If it was only Harry's love that
>would kill RIDDLE - then why is RIDDLE alive now?

Harry hasn't tapped into it yet.

>The problem I have with the "love" thing is that DD said it was what
>PROTECTED Harry. It is protection. It is not necessarily an offensive
>weapon.

The love killed Quirelmort. Prevented V from touching Harry, also
kicked him out of Harry in great pain at the MOM. That's about as
offensives it can get short of little cartoon hearts floating and
exploding near V.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245412 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:17
Toon  
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:18:55 GMT, "Matt Clara"
<no.emailz [at] this.guys.expense> wrote:

>"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e0p6c1$1d4$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
>> > Here in Minnesota wrote:
>> >> Jim Hawkins wrote:
>> >>> Since he can do so many incredible magical things with a mere
>> >>> flick of his wand, why did Dumbledore need a special 'put-outer' to
>> >>> extinguish
>> >>> the Privet Drive streetlamps ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Jim Hawkins
>> >> DD used many objects besides wands. The wand can't do everything.
>> >>
>> >> Ken
>> >
>> >
>> > Interesting thought...about wizards' magic and power. We only have one
>> > book to go, and to me, it seems that the kids at Hogwarts don't know
>> > even a third of what the adult wizards know.
>>
>> Mostly muggle kids don't know either a third of what adult muggles know.
>>
>
>That's why we have universities for muggles.
>
>> I realize if you want to
>> > be an auror, there's additional study and training, but considering how
>> > advanced the adults' magic is, I'm surprised that there isn't a
>> > "Hogwart's University" or similar.
>>
>> According to Jo, there isn't.
>>
>
>Yes, and that's why he has a point. Like in the real world, the kids don't
>learn enough for even a trade from basic schooling, let alone mastery of
>intricate arts, so it's surprising there isn't a university.

Or when Career day arrives, nothings left for muggleborns/half bloods.
it's a wizarding life, the end.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245463 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 03:50
dicconf  
In article <bsa432h9tbb4htqod6kh6s18oeppe521o2 [at] 4ax.com>,
Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>"Matt Clara" <no.emailz [at] this.guys.expense> wrote:
>>"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote
>>> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
<snip>
>>> > I realize if you want to be an auror, there's additional study
>>> > and training, but considering how advanced the adults' magic is,
>>> > I'm surprised that there isn't a "Hogwarts University" or similar.
>>>
>>> According to Jo, there isn't.
>>
>>Yes, and that's why he has a point. Like in the real world, the kids
>>don't learn enough for even a trade from basic schooling, let alone
>>mastery of intricate arts, so it's surprising there isn't a university.

We haven't seen much of N.E.W.T. level magic, but we know that part
of NEWT potions involves making your own antidote potions. That's
pretty high level, and it's only the 6th year. 7th year work might
be the equivalent of a university.

The ones who don't take NEWTS go into apprenticeships. Even with high
OWLs and probably high NEWTs it was unusual for Percy to get such a
good job right out of school. We don't know how long it took Bill
and Charlie to work their way up in their respective professions.

>Or when Career day arrives, nothings left for muggleborns/half
>bloods. it's a wizarding life, the end.

Muggleborns and half bloods have (almost) identical opportunities.
They are wizards and witches and they are just as able to have a
wizard career as purebloods. They might not want to, but they can.

If they insist on having a muggle job as a cover for their wizard
life, that's up to them (though they'd probably have to use hidden
magic to do such a job, since they have virtually no muggle-life
training or paperwork). I say (almost) because I'm convinced that
the MoM preferentially hires purebloods. That could explain their
general incompetence - can't do a simple shield spell, indeed!

OTOH there is the option of Muggle Studies, and was it Kingsley
Shacklebolt who could fake being a secretary at the Prime Minister's
office?

=Tamar
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245470 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 07:33
Thomas Madura  
Imagun Aqilya wrote:

> "Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:bNbYf.678079$qk4.306584 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>>Well - that would be the case ONLY if Harry's only enemy was Riddlethingy.
>>However - there are a whole set of Death Eaters out there lusting at the
>>possibility of bringing back Harry's head as a trophy to their master. DD
>>never even prepared Harry to defend himself against Draco - much less the
>>others.
>>
>>Also - Harry has already been in Battles with Riddlethingy - At the
>>mirror - and at the Ministry and when Riddle "returned". RIddle still
>>survives - even though Harry has his "LOVE" - and his mother isn't going
>>to supply anymore now that she is dead. If it was only Harry's love that
>>would kill RIDDLE - then why is RIDDLE alive now?
>>
>>The problem I have with the "love" thing is that DD said it was what
>>PROTECTED Harry. It is protection. It is not necessarily an offensive
>>weapon.
>
>
> Seems to me that none of the Death Eaters had much inclination to kill Harry
> before V came back.

Even Dumbledore doesn't agree. He Placed Harry into the "protection" of
the Dursleys to avoid just that. Remember - no one knew what happened to
Riddle other than Harry Lived.



After that V was too scared to attack Harry for fear of
> being killed again. Harry was pretty well protected from the Death eaters
> with all his escorts and guards everywhere he went.

Yes - Riddle had no way to attack Harry really - until he came back.
BUT - Harry's love didn't stop RIddle from Coming Back. I still believe
the "love" is protection from Riddle. Harry needs to do more than stay
safe from RIddle - he needs to kill him. He has not been prepared to do
that.


> DD gave Harry the whole speech about why he didn't tell Harry sooner about
> the prophecy. He wanted Harry to be happy and didn't want to freak him out.
> He could just as easily have included a bit of Yoda's 'fear leads to the
> Darkside' speech. If you want to nurture a child to grow up with to be a
> very loving person you would kinda mess him up if you told him that half the
> wizarding community wants to kill him and that one day he'll have to kill or
> be killed by the same maniac that killed his parents.
> Harry did get into some pretty dangerous situations in the first couple
> years with V in his various incarnations but those encounters Did serve to
> cement some pretty intense friendships. You can't teach that kind of love,
> but in the end, I think it will be that love that saves Harry and vanquishes
> V once and for all.


And while love may be a factor - LOVE doesn't Kill. If all you need is
love - Harry already has all he is getting from his parents. Harry
managed to meet Riddle a number of times - and the Love didn't just kill
RIddle then - especially in GOF. THere has got to be more.

>
>
>
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245471 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 07:35
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:09:43 GMT, Thom Madura
> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Also - Harry has already been in Battles with Riddlethingy - At the
>>mirror - and at the Ministry and when Riddle "returned". RIddle still
>>survives - even though Harry has his "LOVE" - and his mother isn't going
>>to supply anymore now that she is dead. If it was only Harry's love that
>>would kill RIDDLE - then why is RIDDLE alive now?
>
>
> Harry hasn't tapped into it yet.


Oh - but he has - and it has never been able to Kill Riddle - not the
first time, not with Quirrel (Quirrel died - Harry and Riddle survived)
- and not in GOF.


>
>
>>The problem I have with the "love" thing is that DD said it was what
>>PROTECTED Harry. It is protection. It is not necessarily an offensive
>>weapon.
>
>
> The love killed Quirelmort. Prevented V from touching Harry, also
> kicked him out of Harry in great pain at the MOM. That's about as
> offensives it can get short of little cartoon hearts floating and
> exploding near V.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245478 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 10:18
Toon  
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:23:07 GMT, "Imagun Aqilya" <dingle [at] dongle.net>
wrote:

>
>"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:bNbYf.678079$qk4.306584 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>> Well - that would be the case ONLY if Harry's only enemy was Riddlethingy.
>> However - there are a whole set of Death Eaters out there lusting at the
>> possibility of bringing back Harry's head as a trophy to their master. DD
>> never even prepared Harry to defend himself against Draco - much less the
>> others.
>>
>> Also - Harry has already been in Battles with Riddlethingy - At the
>> mirror - and at the Ministry and when Riddle "returned". RIddle still
>> survives - even though Harry has his "LOVE" - and his mother isn't going
>> to supply anymore now that she is dead. If it was only Harry's love that
>> would kill RIDDLE - then why is RIDDLE alive now?
>>
>> The problem I have with the "love" thing is that DD said it was what
>> PROTECTED Harry. It is protection. It is not necessarily an offensive
>> weapon.
>
>Seems to me that none of the Death Eaters had much inclination to kill Harry
>before V came back. After that V was too scared to attack Harry for fear of
>being killed again. Harry was pretty well protected from the Death eaters
>with all his escorts and guards everywhere he went.
>DD gave Harry the whole speech about why he didn't tell Harry sooner about
>the prophecy. He wanted Harry to be happy and didn't want to freak him out.
>He could just as easily have included a bit of Yoda's 'fear leads to the
>Darkside' speech. If you want to nurture a child to grow up with to be a
>very loving person you would kinda mess him up if you told him that half the
>wizarding community wants to kill him and that one day he'll have to kill or
>be killed by the same maniac that killed his parents.
>Harry did get into some pretty dangerous situations in the first couple
>years with V in his various incarnations but those encounters Did serve to
>cement some pretty intense friendships. You can't teach that kind of love,
>but in the end, I think it will be that love that saves Harry and vanquishes
>V once and for all.
>
>

You know, if your boss, who's infinitely more powerful than you, just
got killed by a one year old, would you be so gung ho to try and kill
him next? Everybody thought Voldemort was dead, and they disbanded
(except Bellatrix's crew) Why would any of them think they could do
what their master couldn't? Being far weaker than he is? It's like
if a bullet doesn't kill Superman, you throw the gun at him. That's
going to end up better?
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245490 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 13:57
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:23:07 GMT, "Imagun Aqilya" <dingle [at] dongle.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>news:bNbYf.678079$qk4.306584 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>
>>>Well - that would be the case ONLY if Harry's only enemy was Riddlethingy.
>>>However - there are a whole set of Death Eaters out there lusting at the
>>>possibility of bringing back Harry's head as a trophy to their master. DD
>>>never even prepared Harry to defend himself against Draco - much less the
>>>others.
>>>
>>>Also - Harry has already been in Battles with Riddlethingy - At the
>>>mirror - and at the Ministry and when Riddle "returned". RIddle still
>>>survives - even though Harry has his "LOVE" - and his mother isn't going
>>>to supply anymore now that she is dead. If it was only Harry's love that
>>>would kill RIDDLE - then why is RIDDLE alive now?
>>>
>>>The problem I have with the "love" thing is that DD said it was what
>>>PROTECTED Harry. It is protection. It is not necessarily an offensive
>>>weapon.
>>
>>Seems to me that none of the Death Eaters had much inclination to kill Harry
>>before V came back. After that V was too scared to attack Harry for fear of
>>being killed again. Harry was pretty well protected from the Death eaters
>>with all his escorts and guards everywhere he went.
>>DD gave Harry the whole speech about why he didn't tell Harry sooner about
>>the prophecy. He wanted Harry to be happy and didn't want to freak him out.
>>He could just as easily have included a bit of Yoda's 'fear leads to the
>>Darkside' speech. If you want to nurture a child to grow up with to be a
>>very loving person you would kinda mess him up if you told him that half the
>>wizarding community wants to kill him and that one day he'll have to kill or
>>be killed by the same maniac that killed his parents.
>>Harry did get into some pretty dangerous situations in the first couple
>>years with V in his various incarnations but those encounters Did serve to
>>cement some pretty intense friendships. You can't teach that kind of love,
>>but in the end, I think it will be that love that saves Harry and vanquishes
>>V once and for all.
>>
>>
>
>
> You know, if your boss, who's infinitely more powerful than you, just
> got killed by a one year old, would you be so gung ho to try and kill
> him next? Everybody thought Voldemort was dead, and they disbanded
> (except Bellatrix's crew) Why would any of them think they could do
> what their master couldn't? Being far weaker than he is? It's like
> if a bullet doesn't kill Superman, you throw the gun at him. That's
> going to end up better?



THe boss wasn't killed by a baby. He wasn't all dead YET - only mostly
dead (THe Princess Bride). THe problem is not what the Death Eaters
Thought - but what THose protecting Harry though. THey obviously though
he was still in grave danger - that they would use Ancient Magic and his
only living relatives to protect him.

I also doubt you would get an agreeement that the BOSS was infinietly
more powerful than Lucius or Bellatrix from either of them.

Now - here's the next question - What about Narcissa?
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245548 ] Do, 06 April 2006 03:25
Imagun Aqilya  
"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:mEIYf.687042$qk4.587117 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Imagun Aqilya wrote:
>


>> Seems to me that none of the Death Eaters had much inclination to kill
>> Harry before V came back.
>
> Even Dumbledore doesn't agree. He Placed Harry into the "protection" of
> the Dursleys to avoid just that. Remember - no one knew what happened to
> Riddle other than Harry Lived.

The way I understand it, the protection provided from 'Lily's Blood' was
specifically against V and not the Death Eaters.


> Yes - Riddle had no way to attack Harry really - until he came back. BUT -
> Harry's love didn't stop RIddle from Coming Back. I still believe the
> "love" is protection from Riddle. Harry needs to do more than stay safe
> from RIddle - he needs to kill him. He has not been prepared to do that.



> And while love may be a factor - LOVE doesn't Kill. If all you need is
> love - Harry already has all he is getting from his parents. Harry managed
> to meet Riddle a number of times - and the Love didn't just kill RIddle
> then - especially in GOF. THere has got to be more.
>

I think there are clues as to how it will happen.
V possessed Harry in the MoM thinking DD would kill Harry in hopes of taking
V down with him. Harry began to think of the people he loved and
specifically of Sirius. Harry was feeling a particularly strong burst of
Love for Siruis which was enough to drive V out. With all his power and even
with Harry's blood in his veins and Lily's protection null and void, V still
couldn't stand to be that close to Harry when he was feeling that strong
emotion.
There was also the whole thing with Tonks and how she lost some of her
powers when her heart was broken.
I'm not going to try to predict how it will all play out but if Harry can
blast V with enough love it might be enough to rob him of his powers long
enough for someone to finish him off.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245567 ] Do, 06 April 2006 10:17
Toon  
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:33:06 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>And while love may be a factor - LOVE doesn't Kill. If all you need is

Killing With Kindness.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245568 ] Do, 06 April 2006 10:17
Toon  
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:35:27 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Oh - but he has - and it has never been able to Kill Riddle - not the
>first time, not with Quirrel (Quirrel died - Harry and Riddle survived)
>- and not in GOF.

Not all of it, not all at once.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245586 ] Do, 06 April 2006 13:52
soup  
Toon wrote:
> Lighters are easier to relight, and light originally most times.


<best Monty Python voice>
Not necessearily
</best Monty Python voice>

Have spent ages flicking and clicking a lighter without it "lighting"
have also had matches break, flare then go out, all sorts (used to be a
smoker). If in the dry I would use matches shielding them from the
wind if I had to get a flame. If in the wet would perhaps use a lighter
or matches that had been coated in wax to make them waterproof.
Matches will not relight at all without you (TINY) setting fire to them
or was that the joke and I was to thick to get it?
--
This post contains no hidden meanings, no implications and certainly no
hidden agendas so it should be taken at face value. The wrong words
may be used this is due to my limitations with the English language .
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #245681 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 09:59
Toon  
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:52:07 GMT, "soup" <1 [at] slartibartfast.com> wrote:

>Matches will not relight at all without you (TINY) setting fire to them
>or was that the joke and I was to thick to get it?
>--

If a lighter goes our, you just try and flick the switch. A match
goes out, it's done for, time for a new one.
Re: Dumbledore's powers [message #247699 ] Fr, 14 April 2006 16:40
Mark Evans  
Imagun Aqilya <dingle [at] dongle.net> wrote:
>
> I think there are clues as to how it will happen.
> V possessed Harry in the MoM thinking DD would kill Harry in hopes of taking
> V down with him. Harry began to think of the people he loved and
> specifically of Sirius. Harry was feeling a particularly strong burst of
> Love for Siruis which was enough to drive V out. With all his power and even
> with Harry's blood in his veins and Lily's protection null and void, V still
> couldn't stand to be that close to Harry when he was feeling that strong
> emotion.

The other factor is that at that point in time Harry does not
fear death, which is Tom Riddle's greatest fear.
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