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Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #243852] Sa, 01 April 2006 10:52
Thomas Madura  
As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks

"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
VANQUISHED hours before....."
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #243874 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 13:09
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <EbrXf.664493$qk4.313010 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>
>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>VANQUISHED hours before....."

It might not be obvious to everyone that your "impotant" quote is from
OotP. <couldn't resist>

DD is speaking to Harry and does NOT say "you vanquished". If anyone
vanquished LV that night it was Lily.
--
Chris
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #243897 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 18:55
Thomas Madura  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> In article <EbrXf.664493$qk4.313010 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>
>>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>VANQUISHED hours before....."
>
>
> It might not be obvious to everyone that your "impotant" quote is from
> OotP. <couldn't resist>
>
> DD is speaking to Harry and does NOT say "you vanquished". If anyone
> vanquished LV that night it was Lily.
> --
> Chris


Sorry about the Mispelling. However - you are wrong about Lily. The
prophecy itself says " the ONE with the power" - singular and refering
to Harry. Worse yet - it could not have been Lily for a simple fact -
RIDDLE had already killed Lily by then.
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #243903 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 19:21
wadkin2000  
Thom Madura wrote:
> As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
> supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
> has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
> version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>
> "My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
> danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
> VANQUISHED hours before....."


That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
off as to the end of the series.
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #243923 ] So, 02 April 2006 00:11
Thomas Madura  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

> Thom Madura wrote:
>
>>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>
>>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>VANQUISHED hours before....."
>
>
>
> That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
> mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
> off as to the end of the series.
>


THe problem I have with it is that I was then expecting another Prophecy
to come forth - but I didn't get it. It is certainly possible the JKR
just used an inappropriate word though.
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #243962 ] So, 02 April 2006 11:04
Toon  
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:09:59 +0200, cwlNOSPAM [at] freenet.de (Green-Eyed
Chris) wrote:

>In article <EbrXf.664493$qk4.313010 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>
>>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>VANQUISHED hours before....."
>
>It might not be obvious to everyone that your "impotant" quote is from
>OotP. <couldn't resist>
>
>DD is speaking to Harry and does NOT say "you vanquished". If anyone
>vanquished LV that night it was Lily.

He vanquished himself if he didn't try and kill Harry, he'd be alive,
well, and probably in control of the MOM.
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #243963 ] So, 02 April 2006 11:05
Toon  
On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Thom Madura wrote:
>> As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>> supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>> has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>> version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>
>> "My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>> danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>> VANQUISHED hours before....."
>
>
>That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
>mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
>off as to the end of the series.

That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
involve death. it was a two tier prophecy. Vanquish, then kill.
Inbetween, the Dark Lord rises more powerful than ever.
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #243997 ] So, 02 April 2006 20:06
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>>Thom Madura wrote:
>>
>>>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>>
>>>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>>VANQUISHED hours before....."
>>
>>
>>That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
>>mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
>>off as to the end of the series.
>
>
> That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
> involve death. it was a two tier prophecy. Vanquish, then kill.
> Inbetween, the Dark Lord rises more powerful than ever.


Excellent -

However - NOW read the Prophecy AGAIN

It says that Harry would be the one with the POWER to VANQUISH the Dark
Lord.

Now - who has the power to Kill him?
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #244057 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 10:50
Toon  
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:06:20 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Thom Madura wrote:
>>>
>>>>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>>>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>>>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>>>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>>>
>>>>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>>>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>>>VANQUISHED hours before....."
>>>
>>>
>>>That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
>>>mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
>>>off as to the end of the series.
>>
>>
>> That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
>> involve death. it was a two tier prophecy. Vanquish, then kill.
>> Inbetween, the Dark Lord rises more powerful than ever.
>
>
>Excellent -
>
>However - NOW read the Prophecy AGAIN
>
>It says that Harry would be the one with the POWER to VANQUISH the Dark
>Lord.
>
>Now - who has the power to Kill him?

Harry. Though he could just as easily be killed by Voldemort.
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #244063 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 15:25
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:06:20 GMT, Thom Madura
> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Toon wrote:
>>
>>>On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thom Madura wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>>>>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>>>>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>>>>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>>>>
>>>>>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>>>>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>>>>VANQUISHED hours before....."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
>>>>mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
>>>>off as to the end of the series.
>>>
>>>
>>>That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
>>>involve death. it was a two tier prophecy. Vanquish, then kill.
>>>Inbetween, the Dark Lord rises more powerful than ever.
>>
>>
>>Excellent -
>>
>>However - NOW read the Prophecy AGAIN
>>
>>It says that Harry would be the one with the POWER to VANQUISH the Dark
>>Lord.
>>
>>Now - who has the power to Kill him?
>
>
> Harry. Though he could just as easily be killed by Voldemort.

NO - the prophecy DOES NOT SAY that - the prophecy say that he has the
power to VANQUISH him - not Kill him. That OOP states that he has
already been Vanquished - but he was not killed.

THe prophecies provide no protection for Harry from anyone - while ONLY
Harry can Vanquish Riddle - there exists no limit on who can kill or
vanquish Harry.
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #245409 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:10
Toon  
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:25:51 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:06:20 GMT, Thom Madura
>> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Toon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thom Madura wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>>>>>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>>>>>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>>>>>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>>>>>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>>>>>VANQUISHED hours before....."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
>>>>>mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
>>>>>off as to the end of the series.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
>>>>involve death. it was a two tier prophecy. Vanquish, then kill.
>>>>Inbetween, the Dark Lord rises more powerful than ever.
>>>
>>>
>>>Excellent -
>>>
>>>However - NOW read the Prophecy AGAIN
>>>
>>>It says that Harry would be the one with the POWER to VANQUISH the Dark
>>>Lord.
>>>
>>>Now - who has the power to Kill him?
>>
>>
>> Harry. Though he could just as easily be killed by Voldemort.
>
>NO - the prophecy DOES NOT SAY that - the prophecy say that he has the
>power to VANQUISH him - not Kill him. That OOP states that he has
>already been Vanquished - but he was not killed.
>
>THe prophecies provide no protection for Harry from anyone - while ONLY
>Harry can Vanquish Riddle - there exists no limit on who can kill or
>vanquish Harry.

But he can only be killed by Vodlemort. Either must die at the hand
of the other. Not another. There are only 2 parties in the prophecy,
and one must die at the hands of the other. Now, that does allow for
both to die, but not for a third party to kill. Sure, anybody can
vanquish Harry just like Harry vanquished V, but in the end, one of
the two MUST kill the other one, and hope they won't go down
themselves in the process..
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #245426 ] Di, 04 April 2006 16:55
wadkin2000  
Toon wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:25:51 GMT, Thom Madura
> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Toon wrote:
> >> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:06:20 GMT, Thom Madura
> >> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Toon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Thom Madura wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
> >>>>>>supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
> >>>>>>has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
> >>>>>>version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
> >>>>>>danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
> >>>>>>VANQUISHED hours before....."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
> >>>>>mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
> >>>>>off as to the end of the series.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
> >>>>involve death. it was a two tier prophecy. Vanquish, then kill.
> >>>>Inbetween, the Dark Lord rises more powerful than ever.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Excellent -
> >>>
> >>>However - NOW read the Prophecy AGAIN
> >>>
> >>>It says that Harry would be the one with the POWER to VANQUISH the Dark
> >>>Lord.
> >>>
> >>>Now - who has the power to Kill him?
> >>
> >>
> >> Harry. Though he could just as easily be killed by Voldemort.
> >
> >NO - the prophecy DOES NOT SAY that - the prophecy say that he has the
> >power to VANQUISH him - not Kill him. That OOP states that he has
> >already been Vanquished - but he was not killed.
> >
> >THe prophecies provide no protection for Harry from anyone - while ONLY
> >Harry can Vanquish Riddle - there exists no limit on who can kill or
> >vanquish Harry.
>
> But he can only be killed by Vodlemort. Either must die at the hand
> of the other. Not another. There are only 2 parties in the prophecy,
> and one must die at the hands of the other. Now, that does allow for
> both to die, but not for a third party to kill. Sure, anybody can
> vanquish Harry just like Harry vanquished V, but in the end, one of
> the two MUST kill the other one, and hope they won't go down
> themselves in the process..


Just for a different perspective (not saying it's correct), re-visit
the "Prophecy Meaning" thread. I proposed it originally as an
alternative to the mainstream conclusions, since JK made a point of
saying how it was worded very carefully. I do agree with Thom about
the meaning of vanquish. Vanquish definitely does not mean kill, so
that, too, could put a different spin on the prophecy.

It's interesting to explore the different ways the it could be
interpreted. I don't know if JK made the above statement in response
to all the theories that Neville had something to do with it or simply
because of general questions about the wording. If you take it at face
value, it seems pretty straight forward, but Jo's remarks started an
avalanche of speculation (maybe that's what she wanted).
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #245457 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 02:25
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-04-02 05:05:55 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> said:

> On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thom Madura wrote:
>>> As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>> supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>> has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>> version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>>
>>> "My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>> danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>> VANQUISHED hours before....."
>>
>>
>> That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
>> mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
>> off as to the end of the series.
>
> That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
> involve death.

Why should vanquishing doe snot involve death at all? I think it's
pretty gross, but
I see no need to kill someone over a silly little thing like doe snot.
:-)

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #245479 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 10:42
Toon  
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:25:04 -0400, Zolak of Twylo
<dannythomas [at] walnuts.com> wrote:

>On 2006-04-02 05:05:55 -0400, Toon <toon [at] toon.com> said:
>
>> On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thom Madura wrote:
>>>> As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>>> supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that HARRY
>>>> has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>>> version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>>>
>>>> "My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in more
>>>> danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>>> VANQUISHED hours before....."
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
>>> mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
>>> off as to the end of the series.
>>
>> That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
>> involve death.
>
>Why should vanquishing doe snot involve death at all? I think it's
>pretty gross, but
>I see no need to kill someone over a silly little thing like doe snot.
>:-)

Wait till Ginny hexes it onto you.
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #253349 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 23:51
Jan van Aalderen  
Thom Madura wrote:
> Toon wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:06:20 GMT, Thom Madura
>> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Toon wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thom Madura wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
>>>>>> supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that
>>>>>> HARRY
>>>>>> has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
>>>>>> version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
>>>>>> VANQUISHED hours before....."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
>>>>> mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
>>>>> off as to the end of the series.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
>>>> involve death. it was a two tier prophecy. Vanquish, then kill.
>>>> Inbetween, the Dark Lord rises more powerful than ever.
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent -
>>>
>>> However - NOW read the Prophecy AGAIN
>>>
>>> It says that Harry would be the one with the POWER to VANQUISH the
>>> Dark Lord.
>>>
>>> Now - who has the power to Kill him?
>>
>>
>> Harry. Though he could just as easily be killed by Voldemort.
>
> NO - the prophecy DOES NOT SAY that - the prophecy say that he has the
> power to VANQUISH him - not Kill him. That OOP states that he has
> already been Vanquished - but he was not killed.

The prophecy implies that Harry - being the one marked by V as his equal
and thus identified as 'the One' - has the power to vanguish V. That
does not mean, that he does not ALSO have the power to kill him, nor
that V being vanguished and V dying refer to the same event, as being
able to does not imply doing so.


> THe prophecies provide no protection for Harry from anyone - while ONLY
> Harry can Vanquish Riddle - there exists no limit on who can kill or
> vanquish Harry.

'Either will die at the hands of the other' does imply that neither
Harry nor V will be killed by anyone but the other. Note: WILL does not
equal CAN. Hence, one of them will kill the other, or they will kill
eachother.

--
Vriendelijke groet,
Jan van Aalderen, Amstelveen
*----------------------------------------------------------- --*
Wie mijn raad volgt, doet zulks geheel op eigen risico!
Reactie op usenetpostjes in de groep. Email zie ik niet.
*----------------------------------------------------------- --*
Re: Vanquishing Already fullfilled [message #253361 ] Do, 27 April 2006 01:23
wadkin2000  
Jan van Aalderen wrote:
> Thom Madura wrote:
> > Toon wrote:
> >> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:06:20 GMT, Thom Madura
> >> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Toon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1 Apr 2006 09:21:45 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thom Madura wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> As long as the "prophecies" remain the paramount guide to what
> >>>>>> supposedly will happen in the series - it is impotant to know that
> >>>>>> HARRY
> >>>>>> has already VANQUISHED RIddle. See Page 835 of the American Language
> >>>>>> version - in Chapter 37 - DD speaks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "My answer is that my priority was to keep you alive. You were in
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>> danger than perhaps anyone but myself realized. Voldemort had been
> >>>>>> VANQUISHED hours before....."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's a very interesting theory. Hypothetically, if we take it to
> >>>>> mean that the prophecy has already been fulfilled, then all bets are
> >>>>> off as to the end of the series.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That's why it later says either must die. Vanquishing doe snot always
> >>>> involve death. it was a two tier prophecy. Vanquish, then kill.
> >>>> Inbetween, the Dark Lord rises more powerful than ever.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Excellent -
> >>>
> >>> However - NOW read the Prophecy AGAIN
> >>>
> >>> It says that Harry would be the one with the POWER to VANQUISH the
> >>> Dark Lord.
> >>>
> >>> Now - who has the power to Kill him?
> >>
> >>
> >> Harry. Though he could just as easily be killed by Voldemort.
> >
> > NO - the prophecy DOES NOT SAY that - the prophecy say that he has the
> > power to VANQUISH him - not Kill him. That OOP states that he has
> > already been Vanquished - but he was not killed.
>
> The prophecy implies that Harry - being the one marked by V as his equal
> and thus identified as 'the One' - has the power to vanguish V. That
> does not mean, that he does not ALSO have the power to kill him, nor
> that V being vanguished and V dying refer to the same event, as being
> able to does not imply doing so.
>
>
> > THe prophecies provide no protection for Harry from anyone - while ONLY
> > Harry can Vanquish Riddle - there exists no limit on who can kill or
> > vanquish Harry.
>
> 'Either will die at the hands of the other' does imply that neither
> Harry nor V will be killed by anyone but the other. Note: WILL does not
> equal CAN. Hence, one of them will kill the other, or they will kill
> eachother.
>
> --
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Jan van Aalderen, Amstelveen
> *----------------------------------------------------------- --*
> Wie mijn raad volgt, doet zulks geheel op eigen risico!
> Reactie op usenetpostjes in de groep. Email zie ik niet.
> *----------------------------------------------------------- --*


My only question regarding the whole "prophecy meaning" discussion is
Jo's remark that she and Prof. Trelawney worded it very very carefully.
Now, IMO, that could mean two things: either the prophecy is exactly
as written or there's some other way of interpreting the wording. That
being said, though, she has, on occasion, thrown out little nuggets of
information in interviews that readers thought were important, but then
turned out to be less relevant than she originally led us to believe.
Vorheriges Thema:Ending of series - clue from book1
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