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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Ending of series - clue from book1
Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243782] Fr, 31 März 2006 11:16
cspirit  
Hi all,

during a recent re-read of Sorcerer's Stone, my attention was drawn to
a detail that may as well answer one important question - will harry
survive post book7?

I say NO. Atleast that's what is written in the stars.

Yes, i am speaking about Harry's visit to Forbidden forest in book1 and
his meeting with the centaurs. When Bane and Ronan spot Firenze
carrying Harry on his back, they say something like : 'We have resolved
not to set ourselves against what the heavens are foretelling.' And
what exactly had Firenze done before meeting bane and ronan? He had
SAVED HARRY'S LIFE from Voldemort. Clearly, the centaurs have read in
stars that Harry is going to be killed by voldemort and firenze has
stopped this from happening.

I know many of you will now think of something else- the interesting
interpretation of Prophecy by Dumbledore in book6. He says that it is
our choice to make a prophecy come true.

That means, Harry can still set himself against the future in which he
is dead. But going by what stars say, He'll die.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243788 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 14:26
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243793 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 16:45
Baronjosefr  
"IMS" <iscott [at] twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ph7q22939u15fbbog8ga577nobuoecqof7 [at] 4ax.com...
On 31 Mar 2006 01:16:26 -0800, "Dumbledore's Man" <cspirit [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>during a recent re-read of Sorcerer's Stone, my attention was drawn to
>a detail that may as well answer one important question - will harry
>survive post book7?
>
>I say NO. Atleast that's what is written in the stars.

>Yes, i am speaking about Harry's visit to Forbidden forest in book1 and
>his meeting with the centaurs. When Bane and Ronan spot Firenze
>carrying Harry on his back, they say something like : 'We have resolved
>not to set ourselves against what the heavens are foretelling.' And
>what exactly had Firenze done before meeting bane and ronan? He had
>SAVED HARRY'S LIFE from Voldemort. Clearly, the centaurs have read in
>stars that Harry is going to be killed by voldemort and firenze has
>stopped this from happening.
>

Actually, the comment is used later as the reason the other centaurs ban
Firenze from the herd -- because Firenze decides to actually 'do fortune
telling' at Hogwarts. The comment doesn't have anything to do with
Harry.

No, I think he is on to something with that, and that the centaurs may very
well have seen maybe not Harry's death but V's triumph, or the triumph of
dark forces. And that instance in the first book may very well have been an
indicator of the fore-seeing of Harry's death, which Firenze interupted,
allowing Harry to go on and do other things to defeat the Dark.

The biggest questions is this: How does Grindewald factor in to everything.
I am relatively certain that we will find it is Grindewald that taught
Riddle how to make horcruxes, but I believe there is much more to it than
that.

Firenze saved Harry's life. Could be Firenze knew Harry's parrents, or
respected Harry as the 'boy who lived,' or simply valued life and didn't
want Harry dead if he could help it.


>I know many of you will now think of something else- the interesting
>interpretation of Prophecy by Dumbledore in book6. He says that it is
>our choice to make a prophecy come true.
>

I don't.

>That means, Harry can still set himself against the future in which he
>is dead. But going by what stars say, He'll die.

No. The stars don't have anything to do with it. The book is about
love. Something Harry has laods of, and V has none of. It's going to
be the crux of the final battle. Harry will live.


--------------
You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
--Mae West
--------------
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243794 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 17:20
aaron  
Dumbledore's Man wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> during a recent re-read of Sorcerer's Stone, my attention was drawn to
> a detail that may as well answer one important question - will harry
> survive post book7?
>
> I say NO. Atleast that's what is written in the stars.
>
> Yes, i am speaking about Harry's visit to Forbidden forest in book1 and
> his meeting with the centaurs. When Bane and Ronan spot Firenze
> carrying Harry on his back, they say something like : 'We have resolved
> not to set ourselves against what the heavens are foretelling.'

Right. They're not going to fight openly against Voldemort and his
return (which is what the heavens are foretelling). Firenze has just
done so.

> And what exactly had Firenze done before meeting bane and ronan? He had
> SAVED HARRY'S LIFE from Voldemort. Clearly, the centaurs have read in
> stars that Harry is going to be killed by voldemort and firenze has
> stopped this from happening.

I don't think this is clear at all. I think that the centaurs saw, in
the stars, pretty much what I wrote above.

If it were that easy to oppose fate, just by kicking your legs at the
bad guy and running off with the good guy on your back... What a world
we would live in! And how lame would our Fantasy books be!

> I know many of you will now think of something else- the interesting
> interpretation of Prophecy by Dumbledore in book6. He says that it is
> our choice to make a prophecy come true.
>
> That means, Harry can still set himself against the future in which he
> is dead. But going by what stars say, He'll die.

If you are "Dumbledore's man," perhaps you should pay better attention
to what he is telling us/trust his thoughts more. He is certain that
the prophecy could go either way, if Harry continues to pursue V. So am
I.

-Aaron
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243795 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 17:29
Ken  
>> Hi all,
>>
>> during a recent re-read of Sorcerer's Stone, my attention was drawn
>> to a detail that may as well answer one important question - will
>> harry survive post book7?
>>
>> I say NO. Atleast that's what is written in the stars.
>
>> Yes, i am speaking about Harry's visit to Forbidden forest in book1
>> and his meeting with the centaurs. When Bane and Ronan spot Firenze
>> carrying Harry on his back, they say something like : 'We have
>> resolved not to set ourselves against what the heavens are
>> foretelling.'

the line right before is "What have you been telling him?"

It's an interesting idea but I think the context is not about Harry's life
but of information Bane thought Firenze may have given Potter.


*"What have you been telling him?" growled Bane. "Remember, Firenze, we
are sworn not to set ourselves against the heavens. Have we not read
what is to come in the movements of the planets?"*

Ken
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243846 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 06:46
dicconf  
In article <1143796586.389740.153600 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Dumbledore's Man <cspirit [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>during a recent re-read of Sorcerer's Stone, my attention was drawn to
>a detail that may as well answer one important question - will harry
>survive post book7?
>
>I say NO. Atleast that's what is written in the stars.
>
>Yes, i am speaking about Harry's visit to Forbidden forest in book1 and
>his meeting with the centaurs. When Bane and Ronan spot Firenze
>carrying Harry on his back, they say something like : 'We have resolved
>not to set ourselves against what the heavens are foretelling.' And
>what exactly had Firenze done before meeting bane and ronan? He had
>SAVED HARRY'S LIFE from Voldemort. Clearly, the centaurs have read in
>stars that Harry is going to be killed by voldemort and firenze has
>stopped this from happening.
>
>I know many of you will now think of something else- the interesting
>interpretation of Prophecy by Dumbledore in book6. He says that it is
>our choice to make a prophecy come true.
>
>That means, Harry can still set himself against the future in which he
>is dead. But going by what stars say, He'll die.

Not necessarily. The only lesson we get about divination from Firenze
is that the stars do not foretell individual futures, only very large
things that affect whole cultures and probably continents. There's no
way that the centaur would have read "Harry Potter will die at Voldemort's
hand" in the stars. They might possibly have read "something really
important will happen tonight that will affect the magical world for
at least the next eight years".

=Tamar
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243854 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 11:06
Toon  
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:45:37 GMT, "BaJoRi" <baronjosefr [at] aol.com>
wrote:

>No, I think he is on to something with that, and that the centaurs may very
>well have seen maybe not Harry's death but V's triumph, or the triumph of
>dark forces. And that instance in the first book may very well have been an
>indicator of the fore-seeing of Harry's death, which Firenze interupted,
>allowing Harry to go on and do other things to defeat the Dark.

Maybe they saw V's resurrection, and if Fienze hadn't interfered,
Voldemort would have used Harry's blood in conjunction with the Stone.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243872 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 12:12
dsueme  
Dumbledore's Man wrote:

> during a recent re-read of Sorcerer's Stone, my attention was drawn to
> a detail that may as well answer one important question - will harry
> survive post book7?
>
> I say NO.

I say you are naive and foolish.

There was a time when the empress of China was arguably the most
wealthy woman in the world. In an ostentatious display of the fact
that she had to do absolutely no work, the empress of China never cut
her fingernails. They curled back upon themselves, but if uncurled
would have been over 50 inches long, and were incredibly delicate.

When I mean "absolutely" no work for herself, I mean that literally.
She couldn't shake hands with Mr. Whipple - she had a slave do it for
her.

But that is the past - today nobody can afford to have slaves cater to
each and every whim. It is inevitable that at some point in the future
JKR will find a late-night need to run down to the local convenience
store for a pint of butterbeer, or perhaps kneazle food, or whatever.

If JKR kills off Harry - or any of the "Trio" for that matter, that
appearance in the little late night grocery could be only slightly less
dangerous than planting an Israeli flag atop the Dome of the Rock.

Dave
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243920 ] So, 02 April 2006 00:03
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:45:37 GMT, "BaJoRi" <baronjosefr [at] aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>No, I think he is on to something with that, and that the centaurs may very
>>well have seen maybe not Harry's death but V's triumph, or the triumph of
>>dark forces. And that instance in the first book may very well have been an
>>indicator of the fore-seeing of Harry's death, which Firenze interupted,
>>allowing Harry to go on and do other things to defeat the Dark.
>
>
> Maybe they saw V's resurrection, and if Fienze hadn't interfered,
> Voldemort would have used Harry's blood in conjunction with the Stone.

I honestly don't believe that Vthingy had the power to do anything much
to Harry in this situation. He was alone with Harry for a small time -
at the mirror(end of book) - and he wasn't able to kill Harry then
either. No - I think the scene was there JUST to introduce Firenze and
his kind and their abilities. In fact - I truly believe that the first
book was more of an introduction to the wizard world than an
introduction to the ultimate story line.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243946 ] So, 02 April 2006 06:34
rc  
David Sueme wrote:
> Dumbledore's Man wrote:


> If JKR kills off Harry - or any of the "Trio" for that matter, that
> appearance in the little late night grocery could be only slightly less
> dangerous than planting an Israeli flag atop the Dome of the Rock.
>
> Dave

You have a point there!

RC
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243957 ] So, 02 April 2006 10:53
Toon  
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:03:32 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:45:37 GMT, "BaJoRi" <baronjosefr [at] aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>No, I think he is on to something with that, and that the centaurs may very
>>>well have seen maybe not Harry's death but V's triumph, or the triumph of
>>>dark forces. And that instance in the first book may very well have been an
>>>indicator of the fore-seeing of Harry's death, which Firenze interupted,
>>>allowing Harry to go on and do other things to defeat the Dark.
>>
>>
>> Maybe they saw V's resurrection, and if Fienze hadn't interfered,
>> Voldemort would have used Harry's blood in conjunction with the Stone.
>
>I honestly don't believe that Vthingy had the power to do anything much
>to Harry in this situation. He was alone with Harry for a small time -
>at the mirror(end of book) - and he wasn't able to kill Harry then
>either. No - I think the scene was there JUST to introduce Firenze and
>his kind and their abilities. In fact - I truly believe that the first
>book was more of an introduction to the wizard world than an
>introduction to the ultimate story line.

I think the true storyline appeared at the end, when it's confirmed to
DD that Vodlemort is indeed still around. And that means Harry didn't
fulfill the prophecy. Which means he still has to.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #243999 ] So, 02 April 2006 20:12
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:03:32 GMT, Thom Madura
> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Toon wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:45:37 GMT, "BaJoRi" <baronjosefr [at] aol.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, I think he is on to something with that, and that the centaurs may very
>>>>well have seen maybe not Harry's death but V's triumph, or the triumph of
>>>>dark forces. And that instance in the first book may very well have been an
>>>>indicator of the fore-seeing of Harry's death, which Firenze interupted,
>>>>allowing Harry to go on and do other things to defeat the Dark.
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe they saw V's resurrection, and if Fienze hadn't interfered,
>>>Voldemort would have used Harry's blood in conjunction with the Stone.
>>
>>I honestly don't believe that Vthingy had the power to do anything much
>>to Harry in this situation. He was alone with Harry for a small time -
>>at the mirror(end of book) - and he wasn't able to kill Harry then
>>either. No - I think the scene was there JUST to introduce Firenze and
>>his kind and their abilities. In fact - I truly believe that the first
>>book was more of an introduction to the wizard world than an
>>introduction to the ultimate story line.
>
>
> I think the true storyline appeared at the end, when it's confirmed to
> DD that Vodlemort is indeed still around. And that means Harry didn't
> fulfill the prophecy. Which means he still has to.

Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
are at least two sure things to happen in the last book

1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
dead. (Never to return)

2 - Harry will still be alive.

THe rest is just Filler.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #244051 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 10:36
Toon  
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:25 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
>are at least two sure things to happen in the last book
>
>1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
>dead. (Never to return)
>
>2 - Harry will still be alive.

We don't know this one.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #244072 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 16:57
aaron  
David Sueme wrote:

> If JKR kills off Harry - or any of the "Trio" for that matter, that
> appearance in the little late night grocery could be only slightly less
> dangerous than planting an Israeli flag atop the Dome of the Rock.

LOL

Very amusing, as usual, Dave.

However, do you really think she won't kill off Ron or Hermione? I
think it will be too much of a copout if they all make it (though I do
see that Harry won't have time to grieve, which is relevant unless the
death is during the final battle with V).

My best are on Ron. I do agree with you that she's not stupid enough or
suicidal enough to kill off Harry.

> Dave

-Aaron
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #244075 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 17:31
wadkin2000  
Toon wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:25 GMT, Thom Madura
> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
> >are at least two sure things to happen in the last book
> >
> >1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
> >dead. (Never to return)
> >
> >2 - Harry will still be alive.
>
> We don't know this one.


I have this uneasy feeling that book 7 isn't going to live up to our
expectations. IMO, there seems to be too many loose ends to tie up and
too many questions to be answered to have it be a satisfying read. I
was slightly dissatisfied with HBP because IMO, most of it was one
large pensieve scene. I know, I know, that it was necessary for the
horcrux information to be brought out (for the readers as well as
Harry) and that JK said it was basically the first part to book 7. I
also could have done with less of the Ron/Hermione/Romilda triangle.
Also,(and this is being discussed in a couple of other threads), I
found myself constantly frustrated at the "supposed" (at least to this
reader) lack of credence the adults gave to Harry's ideas, particularly
his concerns about Draco. However, one could argue that it was done (a)
because of Harry's mental connection with LV. The less Harry knew about
anything (in OOTP as well), the less of a chance LV couldn't find any
information and/or (b) the adults did have more of a handle as to what
was happening than they let on. Talk about trying to "slay the
proverbial dragon" (no pun intended) with one hand tied behind your
back! Obviously, DD had to die in order for Harry to "go it alone." I
just wish that the circumstances leading up to his death didn't leave
me with an "if only..." feeling.

Book 6, for me, was like having a meal without any seasoning (if that
makes any sense). You eat the food and enjoy it, but something's still
missing. I truly hope JK doesn't let us down.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #244083 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 19:21
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <1144078310.450010.324050 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:25 GMT, Thom Madura
>> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
>> >are at least two sure things to happen in the last book
>> >
>> >1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
>> >dead. (Never to return)
>> >
>> >2 - Harry will still be alive.
>>
>> We don't know this one.
>
>
>I have this uneasy feeling that book 7 isn't going to live up to our
>expectations. IMO, there seems to be too many loose ends to tie up and
>too many questions to be answered to have it be a satisfying read. I
>was slightly dissatisfied with HBP because IMO, most of it was one
>large pensieve scene. I know, I know, that it was necessary for the
>horcrux information to be brought out (for the readers as well as
>Harry) and that JK said it was basically the first part to book 7. I
>also could have done with less of the Ron/Hermione/Romilda triangle.
>Also,(and this is being discussed in a couple of other threads), I
>found myself constantly frustrated at the "supposed" (at least to this
>reader) lack of credence the adults gave to Harry's ideas, particularly
>his concerns about Draco. However, one could argue that it was done (a)
>because of Harry's mental connection with LV. The less Harry knew about
>anything (in OOTP as well), the less of a chance LV couldn't find any
>information and/or (b) the adults did have more of a handle as to what
>was happening than they let on. Talk about trying to "slay the
>proverbial dragon" (no pun intended) with one hand tied behind your
>back! Obviously, DD had to die in order for Harry to "go it alone." I
>just wish that the circumstances leading up to his death didn't leave
>me with an "if only..." feeling.
>
>Book 6, for me, was like having a meal without any seasoning (if that
>makes any sense). You eat the food and enjoy it, but something's still
>missing. I truly hope JK doesn't let us down.

Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter:_Book_Seven it sounds
like a piece of cake.

Just look at all the time we've already saved with HBP. Harry no longer
has to soak his head in the Pensieve. The pubescent triangle has become a
line. Slughorn's memory has been cracked. Harry has visited the cave. The
adults are going to help Harry now. The trio will be legally able to
apparate. There will be no more Quidditch, homework, Slug Club parties or
long-winded discussions with DD.

Now consider how many chapters all of that already gives us just to track
down a few measly Horcruxes.
--
Chris
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #244094 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 22:53
wadkin2000  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> In article <1144078310.450010.324050 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >Toon wrote:
> >> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:25 GMT, Thom Madura
> >> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
> >> >are at least two sure things to happen in the last book
> >> >
> >> >1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
> >> >dead. (Never to return)
> >> >
> >> >2 - Harry will still be alive.
> >>
> >> We don't know this one.
> >
> >
> >I have this uneasy feeling that book 7 isn't going to live up to our
> >expectations. IMO, there seems to be too many loose ends to tie up and
> >too many questions to be answered to have it be a satisfying read. I
> >was slightly dissatisfied with HBP because IMO, most of it was one
> >large pensieve scene. I know, I know, that it was necessary for the
> >horcrux information to be brought out (for the readers as well as
> >Harry) and that JK said it was basically the first part to book 7. I
> >also could have done with less of the Ron/Hermione/Romilda triangle.
> >Also,(and this is being discussed in a couple of other threads), I
> >found myself constantly frustrated at the "supposed" (at least to this
> >reader) lack of credence the adults gave to Harry's ideas, particularly
> >his concerns about Draco. However, one could argue that it was done (a)
> >because of Harry's mental connection with LV. The less Harry knew about
> >anything (in OOTP as well), the less of a chance LV couldn't find any
> >information and/or (b) the adults did have more of a handle as to what
> >was happening than they let on. Talk about trying to "slay the
> >proverbial dragon" (no pun intended) with one hand tied behind your
> >back! Obviously, DD had to die in order for Harry to "go it alone." I
> >just wish that the circumstances leading up to his death didn't leave
> >me with an "if only..." feeling.
> >
> >Book 6, for me, was like having a meal without any seasoning (if that
> >makes any sense). You eat the food and enjoy it, but something's still
> >missing. I truly hope JK doesn't let us down.
>
> Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter:_Book_Seven it sounds
> like a piece of cake.
>
> Just look at all the time we've already saved with HBP. Harry no longer
> has to soak his head in the Pensieve. The pubescent triangle has become a
> line. Slughorn's memory has been cracked. Harry has visited the cave. The
> adults are going to help Harry now. The trio will be legally able to
> apparate. There will be no more Quidditch, homework, Slug Club parties or
> long-winded discussions with DD.
>
> Now consider how many chapters all of that already gives us just to track
> down a few measly Horcruxes.
> --
> Chris


LOL...One chapter for each horcrux hunt, one chapter for the ultimate
confrontation, and then the epilogue. There! That wasn't so hard!
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #244096 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 23:49
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:25 GMT, Thom Madura
> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
>>are at least two sure things to happen in the last book
>>
>>1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
>>dead. (Never to return)
>>
>>2 - Harry will still be alive.
>
>
> We don't know this one.


I am very confident - supremely confident - absolutely confident that
Harry will survive. James Bond will die before Harry does - and both of
OLD age.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #244097 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 23:52
CHRIS  
On 3 Apr 2006 13:53:14 -0700, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:


>
>LOL...One chapter for each horcrux hunt, one chapter for the ultimate
>confrontation, and then the epilogue. There! That wasn't so hard!

That's what I loved about Goblet of Fire. Task, task, task,
confrontation, epilogue. I love linear.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #244098 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 23:53
Thomas Madura  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

> Toon wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:25 GMT, Thom Madura
>><Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
>>>are at least two sure things to happen in the last book
>>>
>>>1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
>>>dead. (Never to return)
>>>
>>>2 - Harry will still be alive.
>>
>>We don't know this one.
>
>
>
> I have this uneasy feeling that book 7 isn't going to live up to our
> expectations. IMO, there seems to be too many loose ends to tie up and
> too many questions to be answered to have it be a satisfying read. I
> was slightly dissatisfied with HBP because IMO, most of it was one
> large pensieve scene. I know, I know, that it was necessary for the
> horcrux information to be brought out (for the readers as well as
> Harry) and that JK said it was basically the first part to book 7. I
> also could have done with less of the Ron/Hermione/Romilda triangle.
> Also,(and this is being discussed in a couple of other threads), I
> found myself constantly frustrated at the "supposed" (at least to this
> reader) lack of credence the adults gave to Harry's ideas, particularly
> his concerns about Draco. However, one could argue that it was done (a)
> because of Harry's mental connection with LV. The less Harry knew about
> anything (in OOTP as well), the less of a chance LV couldn't find any
> information and/or (b) the adults did have more of a handle as to what
> was happening than they let on. Talk about trying to "slay the
> proverbial dragon" (no pun intended) with one hand tied behind your
> back! Obviously, DD had to die in order for Harry to "go it alone." I
> just wish that the circumstances leading up to his death didn't leave
> me with an "if only..." feeling.
>
> Book 6, for me, was like having a meal without any seasoning (if that
> makes any sense). You eat the food and enjoy it, but something's still
> missing. I truly hope JK doesn't let us down.
>


I really don't have any expectations for the last book other than
THingy Dying - and Harry Surviving. I suppose Harry COULD die in an
epilog long after the end of Vthingy just to prevent anyone from trying
to write more books in the series - but I am sure that Harry will Kill
RIddle and Survive long afterwards. THere are too many people in the
world who would rampage against JKR is she killed Harry with RIddle.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245403 ] Di, 04 April 2006 09:55
Toon  
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:21:27 +0200, cwlNOSPAM [at] freenet.de (Green-Eyed
Chris) wrote:

>
>Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter:_Book_Seven it sounds
>like a piece of cake.
>
>Just look at all the time we've already saved with HBP. Harry no longer
>has to soak his head in the Pensieve. The pubescent triangle has become a
>line. Slughorn's memory has been cracked. Harry has visited the cave. The
>adults are going to help Harry now. The trio will be legally able to
>apparate. There will be no more Quidditch, homework, Slug Club parties or
>long-winded discussions with DD.
>
>Now consider how many chapters all of that already gives us just to track
>down a few measly Horcruxes.

And the final battle.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245404 ] Di, 04 April 2006 09:54
Toon  
On 3 Apr 2006 08:31:50 -0700, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:25 GMT, Thom Madura
>> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
>> >are at least two sure things to happen in the last book
>> >
>> >1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
>> >dead. (Never to return)
>> >
>> >2 - Harry will still be alive.
>>
>> We don't know this one.
>
>
>I have this uneasy feeling that book 7 isn't going to live up to our
>expectations. IMO, there seems to be too many loose ends to tie up and
>too many questions to be answered to have it be a satisfying read. I
>was slightly dissatisfied with HBP because IMO, most of it was one
>large pensieve scene. I know, I know, that it was necessary for the
>horcrux information to be brought out (for the readers as well as
>Harry) and that JK said it was basically the first part to book 7. I
>also could have done with less of the Ron/Hermione/Romilda triangle.
>Also,(and this is being discussed in a couple of other threads), I
>found myself constantly frustrated at the "supposed" (at least to this
>reader) lack of credence the adults gave to Harry's ideas, particularly
>his concerns about Draco. However, one could argue that it was done (a)
>because of Harry's mental connection with LV. The less Harry knew about
>anything (in OOTP as well), the less of a chance LV couldn't find any
>information and/or (b) the adults did have more of a handle as to what
>was happening than they let on. Talk about trying to "slay the
>proverbial dragon" (no pun intended) with one hand tied behind your
>back! Obviously, DD had to die in order for Harry to "go it alone." I
>just wish that the circumstances leading up to his death didn't leave
>me with an "if only..." feeling.

I hope we haven't turned Book 7 into the Mark Evans of the series. I'm
seriously doubting DD's planetary watch from Book 1 will make any real
appearance, as in explaining it. Maybe a cameo.

>Book 6, for me, was like having a meal without any seasoning (if that
>makes any sense). You eat the food and enjoy it, but something's still
>missing. I truly hope JK doesn't let us down.

an overall plot.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245406 ] Di, 04 April 2006 09:56
Toon  
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:49:00 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:25 GMT, Thom Madura
>> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lets be fair - while we all talk a good talk about possibilities - there
>>>are at least two sure things to happen in the last book
>>>
>>>1 - Riddle will not only be merely dead - but really quite sincerely
>>>dead. (Never to return)
>>>
>>>2 - Harry will still be alive.
>>
>>
>> We don't know this one.
>
>
>I am very confident - supremely confident - absolutely confident that
>Harry will survive. James Bond will die before Harry does - and both of
>OLD age.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245417 ] Di, 04 April 2006 13:18
dsueme  
Aaron wrote:

> However, do you really think she won't kill off Ron or Hermione?

Not even a chance. JKR is essentially "Mom" writing some books. The
chance that she is going to leave bizillions of sobbing youngsters
scattered around the globe is exactly zero.

Except, of course, when Grandfather dies - which is pretty much
enivitable. JKR has pretty much set up the kiddie fans to be calm when
granDaD dies, hasn't she?

Dave
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245425 ] Di, 04 April 2006 16:26
aaron  
David Sueme wrote:
> Aaron wrote:
>
> > However, do you really think she won't kill off Ron or Hermione?
>
> Not even a chance. JKR is essentially "Mom" writing some books. The
> chance that she is going to leave bizillions of sobbing youngsters
> scattered around the globe is exactly zero.

I hope you're wrong, in a way. I think it would be a cop out to let the
entire trio survive.

> Except, of course, when Grandfather dies - which is pretty much
> enivitable. JKR has pretty much set up the kiddie fans to be calm when
> granDaD dies, hasn't she?

LOL, yes, though I must say they didn't take it well when it happened
in the books... Are you sure her safety isn't already emperiled?

> Dave

-Aaron
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245464 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 03:54
dicconf  
In article <qh94329vagk4dmh1e20i9advnhv79ssiom [at] 4ax.com>,
Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:21:27 +0200, cwlNOSPAM [at] freenet.de (Green-Eyed
>Chris) wrote:
>
>>
>>Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter:_Book_Seven it sounds
>>like a piece of cake.
>>
>>Just look at all the time we've already saved with HBP. Harry no longer
>>has to soak his head in the Pensieve. The pubescent triangle has become a
>>line. Slughorn's memory has been cracked. Harry has visited the cave. The
>>adults are going to help Harry now. The trio will be legally able to
>>apparate. There will be no more Quidditch, homework, Slug Club parties or
>>long-winded discussions with DD.
>>
>>Now consider how many chapters all of that already gives us just to track
>>down a few measly Horcruxes.
>
>And the final battle.

And the Dursleys meet Mrs Black after their house is destroyed.
And the triumphant retaking of Hogwarts by returning through the
tunnel.

And whatever Dennis and the Giant Squid are going to do.

=Tamar
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245475 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 11:00
dsueme  
Aaron wrote:

> I hope you're wrong, in a way. I think it would be a cop out to let the
> entire trio survive.

You must be very dissatisfied with The Odyssey, then. Odysseus,
Penlope and Telemacous all survive. IRC.

> > Except, of course, when Grandfather dies - which is pretty much
> > enivitable. JKR has pretty much set up the kiddie fans to be calm when
> > granDaD dies, hasn't she?
>
> LOL, yes, though I must say they didn't take it well when it happened
> in the books... Are you sure her safety isn't already emperiled?

I'm sure that there is a kook or two who doesn't get the point. That's
different than pissing off every Hermione fan in the whole world.
Hundreds will be graduates of various sniper training programs around
the world. Some will be F-18 pilots, some Sukoi "Flanker" pilots. A
tiny minority might be missle launch officers on US or Russian
ballistic missle submarines. And you can't completely count out the
Isralies, for that matter.

Hermy probably isn't Jewish, but she does embody many qualities that I
admire in my Jewish acquaintances, and which I presume they admire in
thier kin. Dad's a dentist.

Would you care to bet your life that the psychological screening of
each and every one of these potentially deadly Hermy fans weeded out
every one that could potentially go unhinged?

All of these warriors are going to recognise DD's demise as that of a
veteran finally running out of luck - and hoping that the old conjurer
concealed one last victory up his sleave. But if you kill off one of
the kids, that sort of fatalistic acceptance of the enivatable doesn't
help them. They are going to be unhappy and disappointed.

And I couldn't blame them. Cultures go to war to preserve the best,
brightest, and most beautiful of the next generation. If one of the
trio dies, then Dumbledore was not the greatest wizard of his age. He
failed in his most important duty.

Dave
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245486 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 13:31
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <12368pphmgv4dc7 [at] corp.supernews.com>, dicconf [at] radix.net
(Richard Eney) wrote:

>In article <qh94329vagk4dmh1e20i9advnhv79ssiom [at] 4ax.com>,
>Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:21:27 +0200, cwlNOSPAM [at] freenet.de (Green-Eyed
>>Chris) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter:_Book_Seven it sounds
>>>like a piece of cake.
>>>
>>>Just look at all the time we've already saved with HBP. Harry no longer
>>>has to soak his head in the Pensieve. The pubescent triangle has become a
>>>line. Slughorn's memory has been cracked. Harry has visited the cave. The
>>>adults are going to help Harry now. The trio will be legally able to
>>>apparate. There will be no more Quidditch, homework, Slug Club parties or
>>>long-winded discussions with DD.
>>>
>>>Now consider how many chapters all of that already gives us just to track
>>>down a few measly Horcruxes.
>>
>>And the final battle.
>
>And the Dursleys meet Mrs Black after their house is destroyed.
>And the triumphant retaking of Hogwarts by returning through the
>tunnel.
>
>And whatever Dennis and the Giant Squid are going to do.

Which actually does bring this thought to mind. In GoF, the Weasleys
arrive at the Dursley's by using Floo powder. What if someone in Book 7
were to climb into a fireplace and, using Floo powder, say "Spinner's End"
or "Riddle House"?
--
Chris
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245487 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 13:47
Thomas Madura  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> In article <12368pphmgv4dc7 [at] corp.supernews.com>, dicconf [at] radix.net
> (Richard Eney) wrote:
>
>
>>In article <qh94329vagk4dmh1e20i9advnhv79ssiom [at] 4ax.com>,
>>Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:21:27 +0200, cwlNOSPAM [at] freenet.de (Green-Eyed
>>>Chris) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter:_Book_Seven it sounds
>>>>like a piece of cake.
>>>>
>>>>Just look at all the time we've already saved with HBP. Harry no longer
>>>>has to soak his head in the Pensieve. The pubescent triangle has become a
>>>>line. Slughorn's memory has been cracked. Harry has visited the cave. The
>>>>adults are going to help Harry now. The trio will be legally able to
>>>>apparate. There will be no more Quidditch, homework, Slug Club parties or
>>>>long-winded discussions with DD.
>>>>
>>>>Now consider how many chapters all of that already gives us just to track
>>>>down a few measly Horcruxes.
>>>
>>>And the final battle.
>>
>>And the Dursleys meet Mrs Black after their house is destroyed.
>>And the triumphant retaking of Hogwarts by returning through the
>>tunnel.
>>
>>And whatever Dennis and the Giant Squid are going to do.
>
>
> Which actually does bring this thought to mind. In GoF, the Weasleys
> arrive at the Dursley's by using Floo powder. What if someone in Book 7
> were to climb into a fireplace and, using Floo powder, say "Spinner's End"
> or "Riddle House"?
> --
> Chris


Well - according to the books - the "fireplace" has to be ON the Floo
Network. The Dursley's had to be added temporarily when the Weasleys
came to get Harry for the Quidditch tournament. My guess would be that
neither of the above named fireplaces are ON the Floo network.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245488 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 13:50
Thomas Madura  
David Sueme wrote:

> Aaron wrote:
>
>
>>I hope you're wrong, in a way. I think it would be a cop out to let the
>>entire trio survive.
>
>
> You must be very dissatisfied with The Odyssey, then. Odysseus,
> Penlope and Telemacous all survive. IRC.
>
>
>>>Except, of course, when Grandfather dies - which is pretty much
>>>enivitable. JKR has pretty much set up the kiddie fans to be calm when
>>>granDaD dies, hasn't she?
>>
>>LOL, yes, though I must say they didn't take it well when it happened
>>in the books... Are you sure her safety isn't already emperiled?
>
>
> I'm sure that there is a kook or two who doesn't get the point. That's
> different than pissing off every Hermione fan in the whole world.
> Hundreds will be graduates of various sniper training programs around
> the world. Some will be F-18 pilots, some Sukoi "Flanker" pilots. A
> tiny minority might be missle launch officers on US or Russian
> ballistic missle submarines. And you can't completely count out the
> Isralies, for that matter.
>
> Hermy probably isn't Jewish, but she does embody many qualities that I
> admire in my Jewish acquaintances, and which I presume they admire in
> thier kin. Dad's a dentist.
>
> Would you care to bet your life that the psychological screening of
> each and every one of these potentially deadly Hermy fans weeded out
> every one that could potentially go unhinged?
>
> All of these warriors are going to recognise DD's demise as that of a
> veteran finally running out of luck - and hoping that the old conjurer
> concealed one last victory up his sleave. But if you kill off one of
> the kids, that sort of fatalistic acceptance of the enivatable doesn't
> help them. They are going to be unhappy and disappointed.
>
> And I couldn't blame them. Cultures go to war to preserve the best,
> brightest, and most beautiful of the next generation. If one of the
> trio dies, then Dumbledore was not the greatest wizard of his age. He
> failed in his most important duty.
>
> Dave
>

Killing OFF Ron or Hermione would be like Kiling off the Tin Man, the
Lion, or the Scarecrow. ANd don't even think about killing off Dorothy
(Harry).
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245491 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 14:05
aaron  
David Sueme wrote:
> Aaron wrote:
>
> > I hope you're wrong, in a way. I think it would be a cop out to let the
> > entire trio survive.
>
> You must be very dissatisfied with The Odyssey, then. Odysseus,
> Penlope and Telemacous all survive. IRC.

Are you now equating JKR's writing with Homer's?

As Hal would say: What are you doing, Dave?

> > > Except, of course, when Grandfather dies - which is pretty much
> > > enivitable. JKR has pretty much set up the kiddie fans to be calm when
> > > granDaD dies, hasn't she?
> >
> > LOL, yes, though I must say they didn't take it well when it happened
> > in the books... Are you sure her safety isn't already emperiled?
>
> I'm sure that there is a kook or two who doesn't get the point. That's
> different than pissing off every Hermione fan in the whole world.
> Hundreds will be graduates of various sniper training programs around
> the world. Some will be F-18 pilots, some Sukoi "Flanker" pilots. A
> tiny minority might be missle launch officers on US or Russian
> ballistic missle submarines. And you can't completely count out the
> Isralies, for that matter.

Certainly not. But I'm more of an Emma Watson fan than a Hermy fan. =)

> Hermy probably isn't Jewish, but she does embody many qualities that I
> admire in my Jewish acquaintances, and which I presume they admire in
> thier kin. Dad's a dentist.

Well, good for all of you.

> Would you care to bet your life that the psychological screening of
> each and every one of these potentially deadly Hermy fans weeded out
> every one that could potentially go unhinged?

As I said, I can see how a trio fan could go nuts. I still think she
has to do it.

> All of these warriors are going to recognise DD's demise as that of a
> veteran finally running out of luck - and hoping that the old conjurer
> concealed one last victory up his sleave. But if you kill off one of
> the kids, that sort of fatalistic acceptance of the enivatable doesn't
> help them. They are going to be unhappy and disappointed.
>
> And I couldn't blame them. Cultures go to war to preserve the best,
> brightest, and most beautiful of the next generation. If one of the
> trio dies, then Dumbledore was not the greatest wizard of his age. He
> failed in his most important duty.

What control does he have over that now? Hasn't he already failed?

> Dave

-Aaron
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245521 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 19:31
Brian  
Aaron wrote (of Dumbledore):
> What control does he have over that now? Hasn't he already failed?

Unclear. When you die with significant assets, you've failed in some
sense if you haven't ensured that those assets go where you wanted them
to go--if you haven't set up a will, trust, that sort of thing. It may
be that Dumbledore has set up the magical equivalent of a living trust,
or that in dying he has protected Harry in some way. There's not yet
any evidence of that, but it seems to me much more likely than having
Dumbledore somehow survive the Avada Kedavra.

--
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Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245571 ] Do, 06 April 2006 10:25
Toon  
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:50:59 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>David Sueme wrote:
>
>> Aaron wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I hope you're wrong, in a way. I think it would be a cop out to let the
>>>entire trio survive.
>>
>>
>> You must be very dissatisfied with The Odyssey, then. Odysseus,
>> Penlope and Telemacous all survive. IRC.
>>
>>
>>>>Except, of course, when Grandfather dies - which is pretty much
>>>>enivitable. JKR has pretty much set up the kiddie fans to be calm when
>>>>granDaD dies, hasn't she?
>>>
>>>LOL, yes, though I must say they didn't take it well when it happened
>>>in the books... Are you sure her safety isn't already emperiled?
>>
>>
>> I'm sure that there is a kook or two who doesn't get the point. That's
>> different than pissing off every Hermione fan in the whole world.
>> Hundreds will be graduates of various sniper training programs around
>> the world. Some will be F-18 pilots, some Sukoi "Flanker" pilots. A
>> tiny minority might be missle launch officers on US or Russian
>> ballistic missle submarines. And you can't completely count out the
>> Isralies, for that matter.
>>
>> Hermy probably isn't Jewish, but she does embody many qualities that I
>> admire in my Jewish acquaintances, and which I presume they admire in
>> thier kin. Dad's a dentist.
>>
>> Would you care to bet your life that the psychological screening of
>> each and every one of these potentially deadly Hermy fans weeded out
>> every one that could potentially go unhinged?
>>
>> All of these warriors are going to recognise DD's demise as that of a
>> veteran finally running out of luck - and hoping that the old conjurer
>> concealed one last victory up his sleave. But if you kill off one of
>> the kids, that sort of fatalistic acceptance of the enivatable doesn't
>> help them. They are going to be unhappy and disappointed.
>>
>> And I couldn't blame them. Cultures go to war to preserve the best,
>> brightest, and most beautiful of the next generation. If one of the
>> trio dies, then Dumbledore was not the greatest wizard of his age. He
>> failed in his most important duty.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>Killing OFF Ron or Hermione would be like Kiling off the Tin Man, the
>Lion, or the Scarecrow. ANd don't even think about killing off Dorothy
>(Harry).

Just spare Toto
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245572 ] Do, 06 April 2006 10:25
Toon  
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT), brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung)
wrote:

>There's not yet
>any evidence of that, but it seems to me much more likely than having
>Dumbledore somehow survive the Avada Kedavra.

Who is he, Harry Potter?
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245582 ] Do, 06 April 2006 10:55
dsueme  
Aaron wrote:

> Are you now equating JKR's writing with Homer's?

Compare is the word you are desperately searching for. I compare all
writers to Homer. Of course, this could be because I am rather lazy.
I get the same result every time.

> Certainly not. But I'm more of an Emma Watson fan than a Hermy fan. =)

How smart is it to post copies of "I think sixteen year old actresses
are hot" on thousands of servers all over the world?

[I wrote] then Dumbledore was not the greatest wizard of his age. He
> > failed in his most important duty.
>
> What control does he have over that now? Hasn't he already failed?

He has died. We all do that eventually. There is an archiac meaning
of "fail" that means death - "...Trumpkin is failing fast" (Narnia
stories) but somehow I don't think this is what you are talking about.

DD is dead - but we don't know that he hasn't set in motion events that
will accomplish his goals.

Dave

The Trumpkin "quote" is probably not exactly accurate, but I am quite
sure I can find a quote that reflects the sentiment and usage.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245587 ] Do, 06 April 2006 14:00
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:50:59 GMT, Thom Madura
> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>David Sueme wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Aaron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I hope you're wrong, in a way. I think it would be a cop out to let the
>>>>entire trio survive.
>>>
>>>
>>>You must be very dissatisfied with The Odyssey, then. Odysseus,
>>>Penlope and Telemacous all survive. IRC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Except, of course, when Grandfather dies - which is pretty much
>>>>>enivitable. JKR has pretty much set up the kiddie fans to be calm when
>>>>>granDaD dies, hasn't she?
>>>>
>>>>LOL, yes, though I must say they didn't take it well when it happened
>>>>in the books... Are you sure her safety isn't already emperiled?
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sure that there is a kook or two who doesn't get the point. That's
>>>different than pissing off every Hermione fan in the whole world.
>>>Hundreds will be graduates of various sniper training programs around
>>>the world. Some will be F-18 pilots, some Sukoi "Flanker" pilots. A
>>>tiny minority might be missle launch officers on US or Russian
>>>ballistic missle submarines. And you can't completely count out the
>>>Isralies, for that matter.
>>>
>>>Hermy probably isn't Jewish, but she does embody many qualities that I
>>>admire in my Jewish acquaintances, and which I presume they admire in
>>>thier kin. Dad's a dentist.
>>>
>>>Would you care to bet your life that the psychological screening of
>>>each and every one of these potentially deadly Hermy fans weeded out
>>>every one that could potentially go unhinged?
>>>
>>>All of these warriors are going to recognise DD's demise as that of a
>>>veteran finally running out of luck - and hoping that the old conjurer
>>>concealed one last victory up his sleave. But if you kill off one of
>>>the kids, that sort of fatalistic acceptance of the enivatable doesn't
>>>help them. They are going to be unhappy and disappointed.
>>>
>>>And I couldn't blame them. Cultures go to war to preserve the best,
>>>brightest, and most beautiful of the next generation. If one of the
>>>trio dies, then Dumbledore was not the greatest wizard of his age. He
>>>failed in his most important duty.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>
>>Killing OFF Ron or Hermione would be like Kiling off the Tin Man, the
>>Lion, or the Scarecrow. ANd don't even think about killing off Dorothy
>>(Harry).
>
>
> Just spare Toto

Fawkes can't really be killed - he just keeps going, and going, and going.
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245605 ] Do, 06 April 2006 18:47
Kish  
Toon wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT), brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung)
> wrote:
>
>
>>There's not yet
>>any evidence of that, but it seems to me much more likely than having
>>Dumbledore somehow survive the Avada Kedavra.
>
>
> Who is he, Harry Potter?

No, Ron.

*ducks*
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245617 ] Do, 06 April 2006 20:42
aaron  
David Sueme wrote:
> > Are you now equating JKR's writing with Homer's?
>
> Compare is the word you are desperately searching for. I compare all
> writers to Homer. Of course, this could be because I am rather lazy.
> I get the same result every time.

No, I was insinuating that you were equating the two. I knew it would
get your back up. Sometimes, I think merely communicating with you gets
your back up.

> > Certainly not. But I'm more of an Emma Watson fan than a Hermy fan. =)
>
> How smart is it to post copies of "I think sixteen year old actresses
> are hot" on thousands of servers all over the world?

I don't know...how smart is it to insult everyone you have
conversations with?

I don't think 16 year old actresses are hot. I'm an Emma Watson fan.
That's all I said. It doesn't surprise me that what I said is smarter
than what you said, however. While your I.Q. places you in the top 1/2
of the second percent of all persons on the planet, MY I.Q. places me
in the top 1/2 of the FIRST percent of all persons on the planet. ;)

> [I wrote] then Dumbledore was not the greatest wizard of his age. He
> > > failed in his most important duty.
> >
> > What control does he have over that now? Hasn't he already failed?
>
> He has died. We all do that eventually. There is an archiac meaning

*ahem* Archaic.

> of "fail" that means death - "...Trumpkin is failing fast" (Narnia
> stories) but somehow I don't think this is what you are talking about.
>
> DD is dead - but we don't know that he hasn't set in motion events that
> will accomplish his goals.

True. But if you wrote that he failed in his duty (so far), and now he
is dead, then you must think he has completely failed, no?

> Dave

-Aaron
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245685 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 10:11
Toon  
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:47:47 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT), brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung)
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There's not yet
>>>any evidence of that, but it seems to me much more likely than having
>>>Dumbledore somehow survive the Avada Kedavra.
>>
>>
>> Who is he, Harry Potter?
>
>No, Ron.
>
>*ducks*

That would have made more sense. Not total, just a lot more sense for
some of the things that have happened/been known.

Otherwise, some creepy old guy's way too interested in a schoolboy
(Michael Jackson)
Re: Ending of series - clue from book1 [message #245686 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 10:12
Toon  
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:00:24 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>>>Killing OFF Ron or Hermione would be like Kiling off the Tin Man, the
>>>Lion, or the Scarecrow. ANd don't even think about killing off Dorothy
>>>(Harry).
>>
>>
>> Just spare Toto
>
>Fawkes can't really be killed - he just keeps going, and going, and going.

He's shilling for Enegrgizer.

I still miss Scabbers. Fang was too close for me.
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