| Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243372] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 02:50 |
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While watching both "original" and "special editions" of ROTJ there is a
small little quirk that sorta bugs me.
In the "original" while Luke is standing before Jabba he quickly looks
down at Leia in her "slave" outfit but in the "special edition" it's
almost cut out.
Did anyone notice this?
Is there a simple explanation?
Everytime i watch that scene i immediately look to see him (Luke) stare
at Leia and wonder what is going through his mind.
I mean if it were me i'd rather be looking at Leia in the hot outfit
than looking at Jabba the "Ugly" Hutt wouldn't ya?
Also on the sail barge when Luke grabs Leia to swing on the rope he
quickly stares down at Leia's chest.
That scene is untouched in both versions.
Any thoughts????
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243375 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 04:02 |
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They had to cut it out in the special edition because if Luke stared at Leia
in that outfit too much his lightsaber may ignite prematurely.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243382 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 15:16 |
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On 3/30/06 6:50 PM, in article
24670-442C7CC8-136 [at] storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net, "Sean White"
<Sean376 [at] webtv.net> wrote:
> While watching both "original" and "special editions" of ROTJ there is a
> small little quirk that sorta bugs me.
>
> In the "original" while Luke is standing before Jabba he quickly looks
> down at Leia in her "slave" outfit but in the "special edition" it's
> almost cut out.
>
> Did anyone notice this?
> Is there a simple explanation?
>
> Everytime i watch that scene i immediately look to see him (Luke) stare
> at Leia and wonder what is going through his mind.
> I mean if it were me i'd rather be looking at Leia in the hot outfit
> than looking at Jabba the "Ugly" Hutt wouldn't ya?
>
> Also on the sail barge when Luke grabs Leia to swing on the rope he
> quickly stares down at Leia's chest.
> That scene is untouched in both versions.
>
> Any thoughts????
>
Well, this was before he knew she was his sister so hey. Of course being a
Jedi his mind should probably have been on more pure things.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243384 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 19:07 |
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Aaron Snyder wrote:
> Well, this was before he knew she was his sister so hey. Of course being a
> Jedi his mind should probably have been on more pure things.
I don't buy this. Jedi are people too. Luke's father was a Jedi and
he had a hot wife and that didn't cause any trouble.
If Jedi are trained when they are young, not allowed romance and force
sensitivity is inherited... where do the new Jedi come from?
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243385 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 19:30 |
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1143824868.948759.219150 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Aaron Snyder wrote:
> > Well, this was before he knew she was his sister so hey. Of course
being a
> > Jedi his mind should probably have been on more pure things.
>
> I don't buy this. Jedi are people too. Luke's father was a Jedi and
> he had a hot wife and that didn't cause any trouble.
Yeah that really turned out great. It only indirectly resulted in a
universal fascist dictatorship and almost the entire extinction of the Jedi
order.
> If Jedi are trained when they are young, not allowed romance and force
> sensitivity is inherited... where do the new Jedi come from?
>
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243386 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 19:33 |
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Aaron Snyder wrote:
> On 3/30/06 6:50 PM, in article
> 24670-442C7CC8-136 [at] storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net, "Sean White"
> <Sean376 [at] webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > While watching both "original" and "special editions" of ROTJ there is a
> > small little quirk that sorta bugs me.
> >
> > In the "original" while Luke is standing before Jabba he quickly looks
> > down at Leia in her "slave" outfit but in the "special edition" it's
> > almost cut out.
> >
> > Did anyone notice this?
> > Is there a simple explanation?
> >
> > Everytime i watch that scene i immediately look to see him (Luke) stare
> > at Leia and wonder what is going through his mind.
> > I mean if it were me i'd rather be looking at Leia in the hot outfit
> > than looking at Jabba the "Ugly" Hutt wouldn't ya?
> >
> > Also on the sail barge when Luke grabs Leia to swing on the rope he
> > quickly stares down at Leia's chest.
> > That scene is untouched in both versions.
> >
> > Any thoughts????
> >
>
> Well, this was before he knew she was his sister so hey. Of course being a
> Jedi his mind should probably have been on more pure things.
Well, the real answer is George Lucas is edit happy. An in story answer
could be that Luke is more focused at the moment with keeping his eyes
on his surroundings which are decidedly hostile.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243387 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 19:42 |
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Duggy wrote:
> Aaron Snyder wrote:
> > Well, this was before he knew she was his sister so hey. Of course being a
> > Jedi his mind should probably have been on more pure things.
>
> I don't buy this. Jedi are people too. Luke's father was a Jedi and
> he had a hot wife and that didn't cause any trouble.
>
> If Jedi are trained when they are young, not allowed romance and force
> sensitivity is inherited... where do the new Jedi come from?
I think there have been some EU stories that cover that. Basically, the
Jedi find force sensetive infants and recruit them (some would
uncharitably say abduct) where they train at the Jedi temple for about
a decade before being selected as a padawan apprentice to a Jedi.
As for inheritence. Not every force sensetive individual becomes a Jedi
(I don't think it's possible for the Jedi to find and recruit every
such individual in the galaxy even if they wanted to, it's not like
they have a Cerebro). Not every force sensetive individual has
sufficient force sensetivity to be a Jedi. AND even when the Jedi find
a sufficiently force sensetive child, the parents can still say "no" to
the recruitment.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243389 ] |
Sa, 01 April 2006 01:14 |
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> If Jedi are trained when they are young, not allowed romance and force
> sensitivity is inherited... where do the new Jedi come from?
I never thought of that before. Say two incredibly powerful Jedi were to
fall in love. The Jedi code would keep them from having children. Could
this be to keep from creating a (possibly) ultra-powerful force-capable
child?
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243392 ] |
Sa, 01 April 2006 03:10 |
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c64fan [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> I think there have been some EU stories that cover that. Basically, the
> Jedi find force sensetive infants and recruit them (some would
> uncharitably say abduct) where they train at the Jedi temple for about
> a decade before being selected as a padawan apprentice to a Jedi.
That was pretty evident.
> As for inheritence. Not every force sensetive individual becomes a Jedi
> (I don't think it's possible for the Jedi to find and recruit every
> such individual in the galaxy even if they wanted to, it's not like
> they have a Cerebro). Not every force sensetive individual has
> sufficient force sensetivity to be a Jedi. AND even when the Jedi find
> a sufficiently force sensetive child, the parents can still say "no" to
> the recruitment.
But still working with a reducing gene-pool.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243393 ] |
Sa, 01 April 2006 05:21 |
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Crimson* wrote:
> I never thought of that before. Say two incredibly powerful Jedi were to
> fall in love. The Jedi code would keep them from having children. Could
> this be to keep from creating a (possibly) ultra-powerful force-capable
> child?
You don't need 2 people to have an ultra-powerful force-capable child.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243394 ] |
Sa, 01 April 2006 05:29 |
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Duggy wrote:
> Crimson* wrote:
>> I never thought of that before. Say two incredibly powerful Jedi were to
>> fall in love. The Jedi code would keep them from having children. Could
>> this be to keep from creating a (possibly) ultra-powerful force-capable
>> child?
>
> You don't need 2 people to have an ultra-powerful force-capable child.
>
> ===
> = DUG.
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Yah, you just need one ultra-powerful force-capable child and clone the
hell out of him.
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The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same
good things for the first time.
Nate nhein [at] austin.rr.com
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243395 ] |
Sa, 01 April 2006 05:37 |
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Nate wrote:
> Duggy wrote:
> > Crimson* wrote:
> >> I never thought of that before. Say two incredibly powerful Jedi were to
> >> fall in love. The Jedi code would keep them from having children. Could
> >> this be to keep from creating a (possibly) ultra-powerful force-capable
> >> child?
> >
> > You don't need 2 people to have an ultra-powerful force-capable child.
> Yah, you just need one ultra-powerful force-capable child and clone the
> hell out of him.
No, you need a powerful Sith with the ability to create life and a
slutty backwater slave-girl.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243396 ] |
Sa, 01 April 2006 05:38 |
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c64fan [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> Well, the real answer is George Lucas is edit happy. An in story answer
> could be that Luke is more focused at the moment with keeping his eyes
> on his surroundings which are decidedly hostile.
To be fair editting is the thing he does best.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243463 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 14:20 |
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On 3/31/06 11:07 AM, in article
1143824868.948759.219150 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com, "Duggy"
<Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> Aaron Snyder wrote:
>> Well, this was before he knew she was his sister so hey. Of course being a
>> Jedi his mind should probably have been on more pure things.
>
> I don't buy this. Jedi are people too. Luke's father was a Jedi and
> he had a hot wife and that didn't cause any trouble.
>
> If Jedi are trained when they are young, not allowed romance and force
> sensitivity is inherited... where do the new Jedi come from?
>
What I'd like to know is how the Jedi are able to muzzle such a natural
instinct. I'd think there'd be all sorts of young teens-20's Jedi leaving
to get married. I know there are priests and monks who all stay celibate
but since the Jedi are taken as children, they don't really make the choice.
I suppose castration would be a logical answer, but it doesn't seem like
this is the case. After all, Anakin definitely wasn't castrated. So
somehow the Jedi must repress these natural urges. Also, what about the
Clone Troopers? Are they allowed to marry? The Star Wars universe seems
full of sexually repressed males.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #243464 ] |
Mo, 03 April 2006 15:00 |
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Aaron Snyder wrote:
> So
> somehow the Jedi must repress these natural urges. Also, what about the
> Clone Troopers? Are they allowed to marry? The Star Wars universe seems
> full of sexually repressed males.
Finally proof that the Star Wars Universe is really our universe!
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #245179 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 05:35 |
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Aaron Snyder wrote:
>
> What I'd like to know is how the Jedi are able to muzzle such a natural
> instinct. I'd think there'd be all sorts of young teens-20's Jedi leaving
> to get married. I know there are priests and monks who all stay celibate
> but since the Jedi are taken as children, they don't really make the choice.
> I suppose castration would be a logical answer, but it doesn't seem like
> this is the case. After all, Anakin definitely wasn't castrated. So
> somehow the Jedi must repress these natural urges.
They mediate. They learn how to listen to their minds. It's not an
impossible task, and as Jedi have been raised in that kind of
environment, tarined to the task, imbuded with a sense of purpose, and
taught skills that no normal sentient could hope to master, I imagine
that there is a strong sense of commitment within the order.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #245184 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 13:17 |
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On 4/5/06 10:35 PM, in article
1144294546.566114.195660 [at] t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Darth Mura"
<shridurga [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Aaron Snyder wrote:
>
>>
>> What I'd like to know is how the Jedi are able to muzzle such a natural
>> instinct. I'd think there'd be all sorts of young teens-20's Jedi leaving
>> to get married. I know there are priests and monks who all stay celibate
>> but since the Jedi are taken as children, they don't really make the choice.
>> I suppose castration would be a logical answer, but it doesn't seem like
>> this is the case. After all, Anakin definitely wasn't castrated. So
>> somehow the Jedi must repress these natural urges.
>
> They mediate. They learn how to listen to their minds. It's not an
> impossible task, and as Jedi have been raised in that kind of
> environment, tarined to the task, imbuded with a sense of purpose, and
> taught skills that no normal sentient could hope to master, I imagine
> that there is a strong sense of commitment within the order.
>
So do they wank off? And what's with Anakin? Did he not meditate and wank
off enough? Also shouldn't Obi-Wan have chewed Anakin out when he kept
gawking over Padme?
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #245187 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 15:17 |
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Aaron Snyder wrote:
> On 4/5/06 10:35 PM, in article
> 1144294546.566114.195660 [at] t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Darth Mura"
> <shridurga [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Aaron Snyder wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What I'd like to know is how the Jedi are able to muzzle such a natural
> >> instinct. I'd think there'd be all sorts of young teens-20's Jedi leaving
> >> to get married. I know there are priests and monks who all stay celibate
> >> but since the Jedi are taken as children, they don't really make the choice.
> >> I suppose castration would be a logical answer, but it doesn't seem like
> >> this is the case. After all, Anakin definitely wasn't castrated. So
> >> somehow the Jedi must repress these natural urges.
> >
> > They mediate. They learn how to listen to their minds. It's not an
> > impossible task, and as Jedi have been raised in that kind of
> > environment, tarined to the task, imbuded with a sense of purpose, and
> > taught skills that no normal sentient could hope to master, I imagine
> > that there is a strong sense of commitment within the order.
> >
>
> So do they wank off?
I'm sure some of them do.
> And what's with Anakin? Did he not meditate and wank
> off enough?
Anakin is an experiment, a Frankenstein monster created by Plagueis
and/or Sidious. He came to the order late. His behavior should not be
taken for "normal."
> Also shouldn't Obi-Wan have chewed Anakin out when he kept
> gawking over Padme?
He did in fact remind him to be mindful of his thoughts and of his oath
to the Jedi order.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #249299 ] |
Sa, 22 April 2006 00:35 |
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au> wrote in news:1143862690.573816.324860
[at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
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> c64fan [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>> Well, the real answer is George Lucas is edit happy. An in story answer
>> could be that Luke is more focused at the moment with keeping his eyes
>> on his surroundings which are decidedly hostile.
>
> To be fair editting is the thing he does best.
>
> ===
> = DUG.
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>
It's the thing he wanted to do best. But who has ever accused him of doing
it well.
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #249325 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 05:35 |
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Mike Ward wrote:
> It's the thing he wanted to do best. But who has ever accused him of doing
> it well.
Steve Sansweetie
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #249361 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 06:36 |
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That is hilarious. I don't think he's looking at her chest rather than where
to fire his wire thing-a-majig (that Batman device), but you may be right
anyway. The actor Mark Hammil may be looking at Carrie Fisher's chest and
couldn't help himself.
> While watching both "original" and "special editions" of ROTJ there is a
> small little quirk that sorta bugs me.
>
> In the "original" while Luke is standing before Jabba he quickly looks
> down at Leia in her "slave" outfit but in the "special edition" it's
> almost cut out.
>
> Did anyone notice this?
> Is there a simple explanation?
>
> Everytime i watch that scene i immediately look to see him (Luke) stare
> at Leia and wonder what is going through his mind.
> I mean if it were me i'd rather be looking at Leia in the hot outfit
> than looking at Jabba the "Ugly" Hutt wouldn't ya?
>
> Also on the sail barge when Luke grabs Leia to swing on the rope he
> quickly stares down at Leia's chest.
> That scene is untouched in both versions.
>
> Any thoughts????
>
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| Re: Jabbas palace scene in ROTJ [message #249363 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 07:56 |
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"Broken Spirit v2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:KBY2g.8475$sq5.2627 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> That is hilarious. I don't think he's looking at her chest rather than
> where to fire his wire thing-a-majig (that Batman device), but you may be
> right anyway. The actor Mark Hammil may be looking at Carrie Fisher's
> chest and couldn't help himself.
At least he didn't grab it, like Ford did later in the movie.
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