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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » Owen
| Owen [message #242789] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 23:50 |
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Just saw "The Inside Man" what a cracking film, and with a very 007 theme
tune running though it.
Owen would have made a superb 007, some shots you see him standing there
with a gun and the 007 sounding music playing.
To act with J.Foster and D.Washington and at times out act them, takes some
class. Owen is the best Brit actor we have produced for many a year.
That's the problem with Craig he does not have that "presence" that someone
like Owen has, he is on screen you watch!
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Larry Gold
Arsenal For Life
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| Re: Owen [message #242799 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 03:20 |
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Larry Gold wrote:
> To act with J.Foster and D.Washington and at times out act them, takes some
> class. Owen is the best Brit actor we have produced for many a year.
Excuse me?
Can Owen do anything other than a flat line reading? Can he project or
suggest anything more than one or two emotions? Can he even do
anything as basic as holding together a convincing accent from one end
of a movie to another?
Nah. He can smoulder a bit. That's about all.
There are at least thirty or forty better British actors I could name
off the top of my head without a second's thought, and Craig is among
them.
> That's the problem with Craig he does not have that "presence" that someone
> like Owen has, he is on screen you watch!
Personally speaking, when Owen's on screen, I cringe.
What work of Craig's have you seen, and what do you think Owen could
have done better in any of those roles?
In any case, Owen didn't want the role this time around and put himself
out of the frame by accepting jobs which would preclude him from doing
CR. Craig is Bond. Get used to it and don't whine.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Owen [message #242801 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 04:15 |
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Larry Gold wrote:
> To act with J.Foster and D.Washington and at times out act them, takes some
> class. Owen is the best Brit actor we have produced for many a year.
>
> That's the problem with Craig he does not have that "presence" that someone
> like Owen has, he is on screen you watch!
I really have to dispute both of these points. Owen is the *best*
British actor out there? Craig doesn't have his presence? That
suggests an unfamiliarity with both the work of other British actors
and with most of Craig's work to date.
Whatever strengths Owen may have he is a long way from being the best
British actor working at the moment. In addition he didn't even want
to be Bond this time around, as his choice of movies - conflicting
schedules and all - will easily confirm. Craig is Bond now - so get
used to it and don't cry over spilt milk.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Owen [message #242804 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 04:55 |
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"Larry Gold" <larry.gold [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:8PjVf.6762$g76.3872 [at] newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Just saw "The Inside Man" what a cracking film, and with a very 007 theme
> tune running though it.
> Owen would have made a superb 007, some shots you see him standing there
> with a gun and the 007 sounding music playing.
>
> To act with J.Foster and D.Washington and at times out act them, takes
> some class. Owen is the best Brit actor we have produced for many a year.
>
> That's the problem with Craig he does not have that "presence" that
> someone like Owen has, he is on screen you watch!
>
>
>
Larry, let me know the name of your buyer - sounds like you hit upon some
good stuff ;-)
> --
> Larry Gold
> Arsenal For Life
>
>
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| Re: Owen [message #242809 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 05:47 |
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phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
>Larry Gold wrote:
>>To act with J.Foster and D.Washington and at times out act them, takes some
>>class. Owen is the best Brit actor we have produced for many a year.
>Excuse me?
>Can Owen do anything other than a flat line reading? Can he project or
>suggest anything more than one or two emotions? Can he even do
>anything as basic as holding together a convincing accent from one end
>of a movie to another?
>Nah. He can smoulder a bit. That's about all.
>There are at least thirty or forty better British actors I could name
>off the top of my head without a second's thought, and Craig is among
>them.
I liked him on the British police procedural "Second Sight", with the
twist that he was nearly blind but trying to hide his medical condition
from his collegues. That was from 9 years ago. Didn't say James Bond to
me, but I still liked it.
Don't think I'd give his acting quite such low marks.
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| Re: Owen [message #242819 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 08:12 |
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I just saw Owen as 006 in the Pink Panther remake and I have to say he
is the finest actor who ever lived. His genius lept off the screen.
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| Re: Owen [message #242822 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 13:54 |
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Adam wrote:
> Don't think I'd give his acting quite such low marks.
Well, it was that original sweeping statement about his being 'the best
British actor in years' which irked me, and which led to that
ill-tempered post which I withdrew a few minutes later. But that
comment rates Owen higher than Brit actors of a similar age such as
Simon Russell Beale, Ken Stott, Greg Hicks, Samuel West, Steven
Dillane, the 'Our Friends in the North' triumvirate of Christopher
Eccleston, Mark Strong, and (yes) Daniel Craig, Tim Roth, Gary Oldman,
David Tennent - that must be about ten off the top of my head without
even pausing for a second's thought, and I could rattle off another
twenty or thirty before I started scratching my head for names. Sorry,
but Owen's simply not in that league IMHO.
Oh, and you really don't want to get me started on Jude Law :-)
Best
Phil
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| Re: Owen [message #242826 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 13:18 |
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I just saw Inside Man too.....I don't much like Owen but I think he's very
good in this movie....Can't really see where Larry s coming from as he
spends most of his time wearing a mask.....might be good for Lone Ranger but
not Bond. I think Owen's problem is his voice....it is incredibly flat.
"JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1143353531.068094.210800 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I just saw Owen as 006 in the Pink Panther remake and I have to say he
> is the finest actor who ever lived. His genius lept off the screen.
>
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| Re: Owen [message #242827 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 13:30 |
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Jabei wrote:
> I think Owen's problem is his voice....it is incredibly flat.
I'm glad to know it's not just me who thinks that. It's odd, but this
subject never seems to come up, and yet being able to inject some kind
of feeling, style, humour, emotion, tension etc into dialogue strikes
me as being a major part of an actor's job. Owen's line readings are
almost invariably pancake-flat and monotonous, and he's not underacting
or being subtle in the way that Eastwood, McQueen, Tracy, or Cooper
were - there's simply no drive or purpose behind the words he's saying.
The lines just kind of come out and lie there limply.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Owen [message #242837 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 21:23 |
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phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> Jabei wrote:
>
>> I think Owen's problem is his voice....it is incredibly flat.
>
> I'm glad to know it's not just me who thinks that.
Er... ahem?
--
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--Mac
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| Re: Owen [message #242847 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 00:38 |
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Mac wrote:
> > I'm glad to know it's not just me who thinks that.
>
> Er... ahem?
'Estuary' etc. Oops. Blame it on losing an hour's sleep. Sorry,
Mac...
Best
Phil
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| Re: Owen [message #242857 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 02:28 |
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You mean that scene in the bank vault where the YOLT-esque music is
playing? That was great. Good movie.
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| Re: Owen [message #242864 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 04:39 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1143372604.567628.108260 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Jabei wrote:
>
>> I think Owen's problem is his voice....it is incredibly flat.
>
> I'm glad to know it's not just me who thinks that. It's odd, but this
> subject never seems to come up, and yet being able to inject some kind
> of feeling, style, humour, emotion, tension etc into dialogue strikes
> me as being a major part of an actor's job. Owen's line readings are
> almost invariably pancake-flat and monotonous, and he's not underacting
> or being subtle in the way that Eastwood, McQueen, Tracy, or Cooper
> were - there's simply no drive or purpose behind the words he's saying.
> The lines just kind of come out and lie there limply.
Er... ahem?
Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that...yuck."
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| Re: Owen [message #242872 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 09:30 |
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Tom wrote:
> Er... ahem?
>
> "...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
> particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
> ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
> delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
> that...yuck."
Oh, heck. Sorry to you as well, Tom. Had an altogether bad posting
day, I guess - feeling the need to withdraw a post, inadvertently
offending two of the afjb MVPs in one go and all. Apologies.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Owen [message #242877 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 16:11 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1143444634.129571.38940 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Tom wrote:
>
>> Er... ahem?
>>
>> "...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay
>> this
>> particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
>> three
>> ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
>> delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
>> that...yuck."
>
> Oh, heck. Sorry to you as well, Tom. Had an altogether bad posting
> day, I guess - feeling the need to withdraw a post, inadvertently
> offending two of the afjb MVPs in one go and all. Apologies.
No worries, mate. No offence taken. I was only commenting on the visual
conjured.
And I've had plenty more bad posting days than you, sir.
Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that he's had at least a dozen this month alone..."
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| Re: Owen [message #242878 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 17:01 |
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Tom Zielinski wrote:
> Tom Zielinski
> "...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to
> slay this particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing
> a Morlands' three ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As
> he waited for the delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on
> his lungs, he reflected that he's had at least a dozen this month
> alone..."
Mrs. Grolski....
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--Mac
"Forgive me, Mr. Bond; subtlety was never my strong point."
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| Re: Owen [message #242891 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 02:35 |
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"Tom Zielinski" <rtomz [at] comcast.net> said:
>And I've had plenty more bad posting days than you, sir.
Yeah...but has anyone ever called you smarmy?
<<whistling>>
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| Re: Owen [message #242892 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 02:37 |
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Tom Zielinski wrote:
> "phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1143444634.129571.38940 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Tom wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Er... ahem?
>>>
>>>"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay
>>>this
>>>particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
>>>three
>>>ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
>>>delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
>>>that...yuck."
>>
>>Oh, heck. Sorry to you as well, Tom. Had an altogether bad posting
>>day, I guess - feeling the need to withdraw a post, inadvertently
>>offending two of the afjb MVPs in one go and all. Apologies.
>
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>
> No worries, mate. No offence taken. I was only commenting on the visual
> conjured.
>
> And I've had plenty more bad posting days than you, sir.
>
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> Tom Zielinski
> "...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
> particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
> ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
> delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
> that he's had at least a dozen this month alone..."
Try 14. ;-)
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| Re: Owen [message #242893 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 02:37 |
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"Rich Handley" <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote in message
news:a51h2294cutjs592f9p1qvgn2htg857o16 [at] 4ax.com...
> "Tom Zielinski" <rtomz [at] comcast.net> said:
>>And I've had plenty more bad posting days than you, sir.
>
> Yeah...but has anyone ever called you smarmy?
>
> <<whistling>>
LOL! There's always a first time, Rich!
Tom
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| Re: Owen [message #242894 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 02:38 |
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Rich Handley wrote:
> "Tom Zielinski" <rtomz [at] comcast.net> said:
>
>>And I've had plenty more bad posting days than you, sir.
>
>
> Yeah...but has anyone ever called you smarmy?
>
> <<whistling>>
Only when he is not in the room.
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| Re: Owen [message #244374 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 09:54 |
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Rich Handley <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote in
news:a51h2294cutjs592f9p1qvgn2htg857o16 [at] 4ax.com:
> "Tom Zielinski" <rtomz [at] comcast.net> said:
>>And I've had plenty more bad posting days than you, sir.
>
> Yeah...but has anyone ever called you smarmy?
>
> <<whistling>>
My 11th grade French teacher did, and even though I understood what he was
saying, I still had to look it up just to make sure it was an actual word.
Lee Edward McIlmoyle,
remembers Mr. Strobl was a pompous dickhead anyway
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| Re: Owen [message #244409 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 20:30 |
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At 7:54am -0000, 03/29/06, Lee Edward McIlmoyle <leeinlimbo [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>Rich Handley <rhandley [at] optonline.net> wrote:
>>"Tom Zielinski" <rtomz [at] comcast.net> said:
>>>And I've had plenty more bad posting days than you, sir.
>>Yeah...but has anyone ever called you smarmy?
>><<whistling>>
>My 11th grade French teacher did, and even though I understood what he was
>saying, I still had to look it up just to make sure it was an actual word.
>Lee Edward McIlmoyle,
>remembers Mr. Strobl was a pompous dickhead anyway
He couldn't figure out a way to insult you in French? Useless.
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| Re: Owen [message #244437 ] |
Fr, 31 März 2006 03:04 |
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk [at] chinet.com> wrote in
news:Pine.LNX.4.63.0603291229190.12329 [at] qbbshf.puvarg.pbz:
> He couldn't figure out a way to insult you in French? Useless.
No, he was a condescending prick (and a lousy teacher to male students) who
probably thought I wouldn't understand anything he said to me in French,
which would almost be right, considering how he taught.
Lee Edward McIlmoyle,
really isn't bearign a grudge, honestly
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