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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » Bond MVP
Bond MVP [message #242725] Sa, 25 März 2006 00:10
Will Traynor  
Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or is
the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you think
had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and become
what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP? It's an interesting question.
Another way of looking at it is.....if this person was not involved in Bond,
the series would be greatly diminished.
Re: Bond MVP [message #242726 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 00:18
Paul Clarke  
I'm tempted to say Terence Young. He apparently helped shape Connery's
performance as Bond and set the style of the Bond films in their early
days. But the films are such collaborative ventures that it's almost
impossible to single out one person, IMO.

Will wrote:
> Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or is
> the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you think
> had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and become
> what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP? It's an interesting question.
> Another way of looking at it is.....if this person was not involved in Bond,
> the series would be greatly diminished.
>
>

--
==007===
"My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as
drinking Dom Perignon '53 above a temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit.
That's as bad as giving a damn what the CR naysayers babble on about."
Re: Bond MVP [message #242727 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 00:19
Tom Zielinski  
"Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_oSdnfJEAaby4bnZRVn-tg [at] comcast.com...
> Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or
> is the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you
> think had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and
> become what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP? It's an interesting
> question. Another way of looking at it is.....if this person was not
> involved in Bond, the series would be greatly diminished.


Some nominations:

Sean Connery
Terence Young
John Barry
Albert Broccoli
Harry Saltzman
Peter Hunt




Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that Vargas is up there too..."
Re: Bond MVP [message #242728 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 00:21
Tom Zielinski  
"Paul Clarke" <jim_caerleon [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Q6%Uf.3484$Ph4.1098 [at] edtnps90...
> I'm tempted to say Terence Young. He apparently helped shape Connery's
> performance as Bond and set the style of the Bond films in their early
> days. But the films are such collaborative ventures that it's almost
> impossible to single out one person, IMO.



True, though major league baseball assigns one player the MVP award,
although it is a team sport.

My vote would go to Young or Connery.


> ==007===
> "My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as
> drinking Dom Perignon '53 above a temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit.
> That's as bad as giving a damn what the CR naysayers babble on about."



LOL!




Tom
Re: Bond MVP [message #242730 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 00:31
Will Traynor  
"Tom Zielinski" <rtomz [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:vbidnRqt36wZ47nZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>
> "Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:_oSdnfJEAaby4bnZRVn-tg [at] comcast.com...
>> Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or
>> is the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you
>> think had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and
>> become what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP? It's an interesting
>> question. Another way of looking at it is.....if this person was not
>> involved in Bond, the series would be greatly diminished.
>
>
> Some nominations:
>
> Sean Connery
> Terence Young
> John Barry
> Albert Broccoli
> Harry Saltzman
> Peter Hunt
>
>
>
>
> Tom Zielinski
> "...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay
> this
> particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
> three
> ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
> delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
> that Vargas is up there too..."
>
>

I tend to think if you took one of the two (Broccoli, Saltzman) out of the
mix you would still have had some pretty good movies. Personally, I would
have to say Connery. If you put David Niven or Cary Grant in there I don't
think you have the same character onscreen. Not by a longshot. Although
Terence Young had a lot to do with that. But could Terence Young transform
Niven or Grant into the Bond we knew in the 60s? It's a good question to
ponder.
Re: Bond MVP [message #242738 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 02:32
phil.gerrard1  
Will wrote:

> Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or is
> the most valuable person to the franchise.

Too many to choose from, but here's a left-field choice for somebody
who I think contributed immensely to the Bond films and yet isn't
mentioned much: Yat Malmgren, the drama tutor who taught both Connery
and Brosnan how to move. He's especially important in Connery's case
IMHO. Connery and Diane Cilento have both talked about how much
difference Malmgren made to Connery's sheer physical presence as an
actor, and that, ultimately, seems to have been what won him the part.

Best

Phil
Re: Bond MVP [message #242742 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 03:42
Will Traynor  
"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1143250324.260934.134840 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Will wrote:
>
>> Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or
>> is
>> the most valuable person to the franchise.
>
> Too many to choose from, but here's a left-field choice for somebody
> who I think contributed immensely to the Bond films and yet isn't
> mentioned much: Yat Malmgren, the drama tutor who taught both Connery
> and Brosnan how to move. He's especially important in Connery's case
> IMHO. Connery and Diane Cilento have both talked about how much
> difference Malmgren made to Connery's sheer physical presence as an
> actor, and that, ultimately, seems to have been what won him the part.
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>

No one could move like Connery, that's for sure. The guy was like a sleek
cat walking across the room, but could do the masculine thing to a tee. Not
to sound like a tart, but I enjoy watching Connery's mannerisms as much as
anything when I watch his films.
Re: Bond MVP [message #242744 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 04:00
phil.gerrard1  
Will wrote:

> No one could move like Connery, that's for sure. The guy was like a sleek
> cat walking across the room, but could do the masculine thing to a tee. Not
> to sound like a tart, but I enjoy watching Connery's mannerisms as much as
> anything when I watch his films.

Absolutely: what Connery does in the gypsy camp fight scene in FRWL is
an object lesson in economy of movement. There's no excess of effort,
just exactly the right amount that each action needs, because he knows
he might have to hold some energy in reserve. On the basis of what I
know about his work, I genuinely believe that Yat Malgrem's tutorship
has a lot to do with that.

Best

Phil
Re: Bond MVP [message #242746 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 04:10
Will Traynor  
"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1143255636.744370.123440 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Will wrote:
>
>> No one could move like Connery, that's for sure. The guy was like a sleek
>> cat walking across the room, but could do the masculine thing to a tee.
>> Not
>> to sound like a tart, but I enjoy watching Connery's mannerisms as much
>> as
>> anything when I watch his films.
>
> Absolutely: what Connery does in the gypsy camp fight scene in FRWL is
> an object lesson in economy of movement. There's no excess of effort,
> just exactly the right amount that each action needs, because he knows
> he might have to hold some energy in reserve. On the basis of what I
> know about his work, I genuinely believe that Yat Malgrem's tutorship
> has a lot to do with that.
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>

The entire introduction sequence in DN is tremendous also. The way he
approaches Sylvia Trench after the card game is just Connery at his best. He
is so sure of himself yet not to the point of being obnoxious. Everytime I
watch that scene, I think to myself, "I want to be like him."
Re: Bond MVP [message #242748 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 04:34
phil.gerrard1  
Will wrote:

> The entire introduction sequence in DN is tremendous also. The way he
> approaches Sylvia Trench after the card game is just Connery at his best. He
> is so sure of himself yet not to the point of being obnoxious. Everytime I
> watch that scene, I think to myself, "I want to be like him."

Ah, well, that's all set up by a classic
Young-Hunt-Connery-Muni-Maibaum-Dieterle-Norman-Barry moment :-)

Best

Phil
Re: Bond MVP [message #242749 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 04:37
Will Traynor  
"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1143257677.979173.93120 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Will wrote:
>
>> The entire introduction sequence in DN is tremendous also. The way he
>> approaches Sylvia Trench after the card game is just Connery at his best.
>> He
>> is so sure of himself yet not to the point of being obnoxious. Everytime
>> I
>> watch that scene, I think to myself, "I want to be like him."
>
> Ah, well, that's all set up by a classic
> Young-Hunt-Connery-Muni-Maibaum-Dieterle-Norman-Barry moment :-)
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>

Yeah, it was a pretty good combo ;-)
Re: Bond MVP [message #242750 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 04:41
phil.gerrard1  
Will wrote:

> Yeah, it was a pretty good combo ;-)

When I was a kid, I used to read about 'hero sandwiches' and never
really understood what they were, but I think this would fit my
interpretation of the phrase...

Best

Phil
Re: Bond MVP [message #242758 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 06:54
ahk  
At 6:10pm -0500, 03/24/06, Will <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote:

>Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or is
>the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you think
>had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and become
>what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP?

I am. Joe Movie-Goer.
Re: Bond MVP [message #242759 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 07:03
ahk  
At 6:31pm -0500, 03/24/06, willt65 [at] comcast.net wrote:

>I tend to think if you took one of the two (Broccoli, Saltzman) out of
>the mix you would still have had some pretty good movies. Personally, I
>would have to say Connery. If you put David Niven or Cary Grant in there
>I don't think you have the same character onscreen. Not by a longshot.
>Although Terence Young had a lot to do with that. But could Terence Young
>transform Niven or Grant into the Bond we knew in the 60s? It's a good
>question to ponder.

May I point out that David Niven was born 3-1-1910. In other words, he was
ten to fifteen years older than James Bond of the novels was if we take
his age and WWII service into account in CR.

He was only two years younger than Bernard Lee and four years older than
Desmond Llewelyn. Not sure what Terence Young would have "done with him",
which Niven, a top actor, would have found highly insulting anyway.
Re: Bond MVP [message #242765 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 09:14
Will Traynor  
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk [at] chinet.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.63.0603242353510.11556 [at] qbbshf...
> At 6:10pm -0500, 03/24/06, Will <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or
>>is
>>the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you
>>think
>>had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and become
>>what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP?
>
> I am. Joe Movie-Goer.

Great answer !!!
Re: Bond MVP [message #242769 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 12:52
Carcharias  
"Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_oSdnfJEAaby4bnZRVn-tg [at] comcast.com...
> Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or
is
> the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you
think
> had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and become
> what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP? It's an interesting question.
> Another way of looking at it is.....if this person was not involved in
Bond,
> the series would be greatly diminished.

Hmmm...when I saw the subject line, my initial criteria (without reading
your's) was who was most important to the franchise. And, for whatever
reason, my mind went to whose participation was most critical. I was
thinking more along the line of Moore or Brosnan, with the idea that they
came in during very crucial moments in the Bond franchise and put it on
firmer ground and giving it the vitality it needed. As mentioned, this is a
group effort, so not denigrating those around them. But I feel those two
established a new template for Bond that kept it going when the future could
have been very much in doubt.

As time goes on it's easy to believe that the Bond franchise is just sort of
eternal, but I can imagine in 1973 or 1995 things taking a very different
turn.

Jay
Re: Bond MVP [message #242773 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 14:18
phil.gerrard1  
Jay wrote:

> Hmmm...when I saw the subject line, my initial criteria (without reading
> your's) was who was most important to the franchise. And, for whatever
> reason, my mind went to whose participation was most critical. I was
> thinking more along the line of Moore or Brosnan, with the idea that they
> came in during very crucial moments in the Bond franchise and put it on
> firmer ground and giving it the vitality it needed. As mentioned, this is a
> group effort, so not denigrating those around them. But I feel those two
> established a new template for Bond that kept it going when the future could
> have been very much in doubt.

Perhaps - but wasn't the 'Moore' template in place by the time of DAF?
It strikes me that the more comedic direction the movies were taking
had already been established before EON found the perfect man for the
job.

Best

Phil
Re: Bond MVP [message #242775 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 14:30
Carcharias  
"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1143292701.166080.47560 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Jay wrote:
>
> > Hmmm...when I saw the subject line, my initial criteria (without reading
> > your's) was who was most important to the franchise. And, for whatever
> > reason, my mind went to whose participation was most critical. I was
> > thinking more along the line of Moore or Brosnan, with the idea that
they
> > came in during very crucial moments in the Bond franchise and put it on
> > firmer ground and giving it the vitality it needed. As mentioned, this
is a
> > group effort, so not denigrating those around them. But I feel those two
> > established a new template for Bond that kept it going when the future
could
> > have been very much in doubt.
>
> Perhaps - but wasn't the 'Moore' template in place by the time of DAF?
> It strikes me that the more comedic direction the movies were taking
> had already been established before EON found the perfect man for the
> job.

That may be so. One could argue the comedic tone began even with GF. I do
feel that Moore took that comedic approach and made it very much his own in
a way that Connery didn't. And he also took it to greater extremes and made
it the underpinning of his portrayal. I felt that broad comedic approach was
sort of an ill-fitting suit on Connery in DAF. He was much stronger with a
sort of rueful humor instead.

Jay
Re: Bond MVP [message #242781 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 20:10
dgates  
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:10:38 -0500, "Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net>
wrote:

>Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or is
>the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you think
>had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and become
>what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP? It's an interesting question.
>Another way of looking at it is.....if this person was not involved in Bond,
>the series would be greatly diminished.


I like Albert Broccoli, Sean Connery, Roger Moore and Ken Adam as
serious contenders.

But the guy I would single out as being the reason why there is more
to James Bond filmology than a handful of cool 60s movies would have
to be Albert Broccoli.
Re: Bond MVP [message #242886 ] Mo, 27 März 2006 23:13
Jabei  
I go with Connery/Young/Maibaum/Barry.

You can't disregard what Connery himself says about Young's input. Also you
have to include Maibaums' dialogue. And the last piece has to be John Barry
and his music. I think Guy Hamilton deserves a mention as Goldfinger
ultmately became THE template for Bond movies.

However, I don't believe you can narrow it down to one person...when the
four above were involved I think we got near the best.

"dgates" <dgates [at] spamlinkline.com> wrote in message
news:g95b2253qs3bjlj1ai6amahse10en6kj53 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:10:38 -0500, "Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Aside from Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond character, who was or
>>is
>>the most valuable person to the franchise. In other words, who do you
>>think
>>had the most impact on the franchise that allowed it to prosper and become
>>what it is today. Who is the Bond MVP? It's an interesting question.
>>Another way of looking at it is.....if this person was not involved in
>>Bond,
>>the series would be greatly diminished.
>
>
> I like Albert Broccoli, Sean Connery, Roger Moore and Ken Adam as
> serious contenders.
>
> But the guy I would single out as being the reason why there is more
> to James Bond filmology than a handful of cool 60s movies would have
> to be Albert Broccoli.
Re: Bond MVP [message #244445 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 06:48
Mike Vincitore  
"Tom Zielinski" wrote:

> Some nominations:
>
> Sean Connery
> Terence Young
> John Barry
> Albert Broccoli
> Harry Saltzman
> Peter Hunt

Couldn't agree more... But this is the order in which I'd rank them.

Terence Young
Sean Connery
Cubby
Peter Hunt
Harry
John Barry
Re: Bond MVP [message #244458 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 16:34
Tom Zielinski  
"Mike Vincitore" <amvee [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:nw2Xf.9867$8Y2.5111 [at] fed1read03...
>
> "Tom Zielinski" wrote:
>
>> Some nominations:
>>
>> Sean Connery
>> Terence Young
>> John Barry
>> Albert Broccoli
>> Harry Saltzman
>> Peter Hunt
>
> Couldn't agree more... But this is the order in which I'd rank them.
>
> Terence Young
> Sean Connery
> Cubby
> Peter Hunt
> Harry
> John Barry



Hey bro, how ya been?!

I see we still agree on the important things.

;)



Best,
Tom
Re: Bond MVP [message #244461 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 16:24
James Hunter  
I almost agree with Mike's ordering.

Using Tom's list, I'd rank it them this way (remember, we're discussing the
*entire* series):

Cubby Broccoli
Terence Young + Peter Hunt
(I believe that neither man would have developed the golden reputation they
have without the other)
Sean Connery
Harry Saltzman
John Barry
(I don't mean to slight Mr. Barry, it's just that his scores, while
extraordinary, didn't by themselves define Bond or make their composer more
valuable than the others on the list...with the exception of Mr. Dead Last
below.)
Vargas

Thanks!
James

"Mike Vincitore" <amvee [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:nw2Xf.9867$8Y2.5111 [at] fed1read03...
>
> "Tom Zielinski" wrote:
>
> > Some nominations:
> >
> > Sean Connery
> > Terence Young
> > John Barry
> > Albert Broccoli
> > Harry Saltzman
> > Peter Hunt
>
> Couldn't agree more... But this is the order in which I'd rank them.
>
> Terence Young
> Sean Connery
> Cubby
> Peter Hunt
> Harry
> John Barry
>
>
Re: Bond MVP [message #244462 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 16:34
James Hunter  
Oops, I'd like to add someone else, so the revised list is now:

Cubby Broccoli
Terence Young + Peter Hunt
Richard Maibaum
Sean Connery
Harry Saltzman
John Barry
Vargas (still dead last)

Thanks!
James

"James Hunter" <jameshunter [at] videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:O6bXf.61830$_o1.440991 [at] wagner.videotron.net...
> I almost agree with Mike's ordering.
>
> Using Tom's list, I'd rank it them this way (remember, we're discussing
the
> *entire* series):
>
> Cubby Broccoli
> Terence Young + Peter Hunt
> (I believe that neither man would have developed the golden reputation
they
> have without the other)
> Sean Connery
> Harry Saltzman
> John Barry
> (I don't mean to slight Mr. Barry, it's just that his scores, while
> extraordinary, didn't by themselves define Bond or make their composer
more
> valuable than the others on the list...with the exception of Mr. Dead Last
> below.)
> Vargas
>
> Thanks!
> James
>
> "Mike Vincitore" <amvee [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:nw2Xf.9867$8Y2.5111 [at] fed1read03...
> >
> > "Tom Zielinski" wrote:
> >
> > > Some nominations:
> > >
> > > Sean Connery
> > > Terence Young
> > > John Barry
> > > Albert Broccoli
> > > Harry Saltzman
> > > Peter Hunt
> >
> > Couldn't agree more... But this is the order in which I'd rank them.
> >
> > Terence Young
> > Sean Connery
> > Cubby
> > Peter Hunt
> > Harry
> > John Barry
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Bond MVP [message #244466 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 17:28
mlawrenc  
>Vargas (still dead last)

"Vargas does not drink...does not smoke...does not make love.
What do you do, Vargas?"

"Vargas is *the* pivot whipping boy for AFJB"

Regards,
Matt
Re: Bond MVP [message #244486 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 07:47
dgates  
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:24:07 -0500, "James Hunter"
<jameshunter [at] videotron.ca> wrote:

>I almost agree with Mike's ordering.
>
>Using Tom's list, I'd rank it them this way (remember, we're discussing the
>*entire* series):
>
>Cubby Broccoli
>Terence Young + Peter Hunt
>(I believe that neither man would have developed the golden reputation they
>have without the other)
>Sean Connery
>Harry Saltzman
>John Barry
>(I don't mean to slight Mr. Barry, it's just that his scores, while
>extraordinary, didn't by themselves define Bond or make their composer more
>valuable than the others on the list...)


That list explains how the series got launched in the 1960s. You're
not going to give any credit for anyone who helped sustain it past
1970?
Re: Bond MVP [message #244503 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 21:58
mlawrenc  
<jameshun... [at] videotron.ca> wrote:
>I almost agree with Mike's ordering.

>Using Tom's list, I'd rank it them this way (remember, we're discussing the
>*entire* series):

>Cubby Broccoli
>Terence Young + Peter Hunt
>(I believe that neither man would have developed the golden reputation they
>have without the other)
>Sean Connery
>Harry Saltzman
>John Barry
>(I don't mean to slight Mr. Barry, it's just that his scores, while
>extraordinary, didn't by themselves define Bond or make their composer more
>valuable than the others on the list...)

>That list explains how the series got launched in the 1960s. You're
>not going to give any credit for anyone who helped sustain it past
>1970?

We are looking for *THE* MVP Right? Going that route I can't see how
how the answer could be anybody other that Cubby Broccoli. He was
there from day one and then solidified the family institution that
continues to this day. Without his continued involvement where would
the franchise have gone? All the others were important but it seems
like Cubby was the one with the original vision and the longest term
commitment to the series. Hands down winner of the MVP.

Regards,
Matt
Re: Bond MVP [message #244522 ] So, 02 April 2006 06:05
Mike Vincitore  
"Tom Zielinski" <rtomz [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:SOOdncJcwoJkoLDZ4p2dnA [at] comcast.com...
> "Mike Vincitore" <amvee [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:nw2Xf.9867$8Y2.5111 [at] fed1read03...
>>
>> "Tom Zielinski" wrote:
>>
>>> Some nominations:
>>>
>>> Sean Connery
>>> Terence Young
>>> John Barry
>>> Albert Broccoli
>>> Harry Saltzman
>>> Peter Hunt
>>
>> Couldn't agree more... But this is the order in which I'd rank them.
>>
>> Terence Young
>> Sean Connery
>> Cubby
>> Peter Hunt
>> Harry
>> John Barry
>
>
>
> Hey bro, how ya been?!
>
> I see we still agree on the important things.
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> Best,
> Tom
>
Great minds think alike, Z...

How am I... I'll get to that later and privately.

Ciao,
Re: Bond MVP [message #245003 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 18:56
James Hunter  
"dgates" <dgates [at] spamlinkline.com> wrote in message
news:us4s22t2ec0h5cgrn2hu7ppuohasuujkoa [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:24:07 -0500, "James Hunter"
> <jameshunter [at] videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> >I almost agree with Mike's ordering.
> >
> >Using Tom's list, I'd rank it them this way (remember, we're discussing
the
> >*entire* series):
> >
> >Cubby Broccoli
> >Terence Young + Peter Hunt
> >(I believe that neither man would have developed the golden reputation
they
> >have without the other)
> >Sean Connery
> >Harry Saltzman
> >John Barry
> >(I don't mean to slight Mr. Barry, it's just that his scores, while
> >extraordinary, didn't by themselves define Bond or make their composer
more
> >valuable than the others on the list...)
>
>
> That list explains how the series got launched in the 1960s. You're
> not going to give any credit for anyone who helped sustain it past
> 1970?

No. The thread is "Bond MVP" - and I agree with Matt, seeing as it's MVP
and not MVPs, I pick Cubby Broccoli.

The reason I won't go further is simple: of the seven people on the list (my
amended list includes Richard Maibaum), five continued into the 1970's
(Broccoli, Maibaum, Connery, Saltzman and Barry) and three of these
gentlemen made it into the 1980's. So it's not just about "launching" the
series - OHMSS was hardly part of the launch, for example - it was about
launching it in a way that made the series alive and meaningful for decades
to come.

Thanks!
James
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