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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » A Lazenby question
A Lazenby question [message #242676] Fr, 24 März 2006 11:38
edrhodes  
I just checked Internet Movie Database on George Lazenby.

First of all, I stand corrected on my original stand that Lazenby's
post-OHMSS career consisted of "not" playing James Bond (ie, playing a
charcter who was obviously supposed to be Bond, but not called by
name.) I based this on his Panasonic commercial, his appearance on
"American Ninja" (I think that was the series) and of course "The
Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E." He does seem to have done more than
that.

But one thing jumped out at me. In 1989 he did an episode of "Alfred
Hitchcock Presents" in which he played a character named "James" in an
episode entitled "Diamond Aren't Forever." Anybody see this and know
what it was about?
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242685 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 12:56
kai.penttila  
<edrhodes [at] hotmail.com> wrote

> But one thing jumped out at me. In 1989 he did an episode of "Alfred
> Hitchcock Presents" in which he played a character named "James" in an
> episode entitled "Diamond Aren't Forever." Anybody see this and know
> what it was about?

It's a not terribly funny Bond parody.

It's been a few years since I last watched it, but I seem to remember that
every time Lazenby introduced himself as James ----, there was a sound
effect that drowned out the last name.
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242686 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 13:20
mlawrenc  
I haven't seen it but did find this:

"A 1989 episode of the television series Alfred Hitchcock Presents,
entitled "Diamonds Aren't Forever", featured former Bond George Lazenby
as a retired spy referred to only as "James ..." (the name is listed in
the credits with the ellipsis included; characters are always
interrupted before completing the name). The episode includes many
subtle references to James Bond, implying that the character played by
Lazenby might indeed be Bond."

http://www.adago.com/007.html

Regards,
Matt
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242691 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 13:52
Mac  
edrhodes [at] hotmail.com wrote:

> I just checked Internet Movie Database on George Lazenby.
>
> First of all, I stand corrected on my original stand that Lazenby's
> post-OHMSS career consisted of "not" playing James Bond (ie, playing a
> charcter who was obviously supposed to be Bond, but not called by
> name.) I based this on his Panasonic commercial, his appearance on
> "American Ninja" (I think that was the series) and of course "The
> Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E." He does seem to have done more than
> that.
>
> But one thing jumped out at me. In 1989 he did an episode of "Alfred
> Hitchcock Presents" in which he played a character named "James" in an
> episode entitled "Diamond Aren't Forever." Anybody see this and know
> what it was about?

Yes, I've seen it. It's an enjoyable enough send-up of Bond if you're
in the right frame of mind. The series you are thinking about is the
Lee Van Cleef show, THE MASTER, featuring some of the worst "stunt
double in a bald-head wig" you are ever likely to see. David McCallum
was also in Lazenby's episode. THE MASTER was produced by Michael
Sloan, the man behind THE RETURN OF THE MAN FROM UNCLE and
later, THE EQUALIZER, where he tried to recruit Roger Moore to cover
for Edward Woodward after his heart attack (Richard Jordan took
the job)

Lazenby appeared alongside Adolfo Celi in Aldo Lado's giallo, CHI
L'HA VISTA MORIRE? (WHO SAW HER DIE?). If you've never seen a
film in the gialli genre, this is a nice introduction and is widely
available on DVD. Lazenby is, however, dubbed in the film and
almost painfully thin.
--
--Mac
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242692 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 14:08
Mac  
Mac wrote:

> Yes, I've seen it. It's an enjoyable enough send-up of Bond if you're
> in the right frame of mind. The series you are thinking about is the
> Lee Van Cleef show, THE MASTER, featuring some of the worst "stunt
> double in a bald-head wig" you are ever likely to see. David McCallum
> was also in Lazenby's episode. THE MASTER was produced by Michael
> Sloan, the man behind THE RETURN OF THE MAN FROM UNCLE and
> later, THE EQUALIZER, where he tried to recruit Roger Moore to cover
> for Edward Woodward after his heart attack (Richard Jordan took
> the job)

I should also mention there's a rumour, and I stress rumour, that
Pierce Brosnan is to be approached about playing Robert McCall in
the upcoming film version of THE EQUALIZER.

Not as scary as the Affleck remake of THE WILD BUNCH....
--
--Mac
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242694 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 14:15
phil.gerrard1  
Mac wrote:

> I should also mention there's a rumour, and I stress rumour, that
> Pierce Brosnan is to be approached about playing Robert McCall in
> the upcoming film version of THE EQUALIZER.

Jeez. Between that and the proposed Fierstein-scripted 'A-Team' flick,
it seems there's nothing too mediocre or trivial for Hollywood to
resurrect. Guess it's time for me to dust down my 'Manimal' script...

> Not as scary as the Affleck remake of THE WILD BUNCH....

Or, for that matter, this (sorry, Tim):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4840278.stm

Anybody else having visions of the late, much-lamented Troy McClure
here?

Best

Phil
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242696 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 15:26
Will Traynor  
"Mac" <see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:48i9adFk9pmfU1 [at] individual.net...
> Mac wrote:
>
>> Yes, I've seen it. It's an enjoyable enough send-up of Bond if you're
>> in the right frame of mind. The series you are thinking about is the
>> Lee Van Cleef show, THE MASTER, featuring some of the worst "stunt
>> double in a bald-head wig" you are ever likely to see. David McCallum
>> was also in Lazenby's episode. THE MASTER was produced by Michael
>> Sloan, the man behind THE RETURN OF THE MAN FROM UNCLE and
>> later, THE EQUALIZER, where he tried to recruit Roger Moore to cover
>> for Edward Woodward after his heart attack (Richard Jordan took
>> the job)
>
> I should also mention there's a rumour, and I stress rumour, that
> Pierce Brosnan is to be approached about playing Robert McCall in
> the upcoming film version of THE EQUALIZER.
>
> Not as scary as the Affleck remake of THE WILD BUNCH....
> --

Hopefully, that is just a rumor and nothing more.

> --Mac
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242703 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 15:57
edrhodes  
Mac wrote:
> edrhodes [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > I just checked Internet Movie Database on George Lazenby.
> >
> > First of all, I stand corrected on my original stand that Lazenby's
> > post-OHMSS career consisted of "not" playing James Bond (ie, playing a
> > charcter who was obviously supposed to be Bond, but not called by
> > name.) I based this on his Panasonic commercial, his appearance on
> > "American Ninja" (I think that was the series) and of course "The
> > Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E." He does seem to have done more than
> > that.
> >
> > But one thing jumped out at me. In 1989 he did an episode of "Alfred
> > Hitchcock Presents" in which he played a character named "James" in an
> > episode entitled "Diamond Aren't Forever." Anybody see this and know
> > what it was about?
>
> Yes, I've seen it. It's an enjoyable enough send-up of Bond if you're
> in the right frame of mind. The series you are thinking about is the
> Lee Van Cleef show, THE MASTER, featuring some of the worst "stunt
> double in a bald-head wig" you are ever likely to see. David McCallum
> was also in Lazenby's episode. THE MASTER was produced by Michael
> Sloan, the man behind THE RETURN OF THE MAN FROM UNCLE and
> later, THE EQUALIZER, where he tried to recruit Roger Moore to cover
> for Edward Woodward after his heart attack (Richard Jordan took
> the job)

I remember now. I think they did a couple of episodes as a "movie" on
Mystery Science Theatre 3000 (possibly even the one with
Lazenby/McCullum.)

I remember thinking two things; one, it was amazing how this flabby old
man suddenly got buff and trim whenever he put on the ninja outfit

and two, it was sad that in a series about the Japanese art of
infiltration and assassination, the only Asian regular was the bad guy!

Oh, and for THE EQUALIZER? They should have brought in Paul Darrow. He
could have eaten that character for breakfast!
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242704 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 16:06
Mac  
edrhodes [at] hotmail.com wrote:

> Oh, and for THE EQUALIZER? They should have brought in Paul Darrow. He
> could have eaten that character for breakfast!

And a considerable portion of the scenery...

They should have hired Darrow for DOCTOR WHO instead of Colin Baker.
--
--Mac

Vargas RIP
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242716 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 20:55
Mac  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> Mac wrote:
>
>> I should also mention there's a rumour, and I stress rumour, that
>> Pierce Brosnan is to be approached about playing Robert McCall in
>> the upcoming film version of THE EQUALIZER.
>
> Jeez. Between that and the proposed Fierstein-scripted 'A-Team'
> flick, it seems there's nothing too mediocre or trivial for Hollywood
> to resurrect. Guess it's time for me to dust down my 'Manimal'
> script...

Heh. The trailer for Michael Mann's MIAMI VICE looks intriguing. More
in the vein of HEAT.
--
--Mac

"Forgive me, Mr. Bond; determining who gives the worst performance
in CONAN THE DESTROYER was never my strong point."
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242720 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 22:14
phil.gerrard1  
Mac wrote:

> Heh. The trailer for Michael Mann's MIAMI VICE looks intriguing. More
> in the vein of HEAT.

Just caught it. Interesting stylistic mix - there are some distinct
nods to the TV series alongside hints of 'Heat' and 'Collateral'.
Yeah, should be worth a look. Odd that Colin Farrell should resemble
Jon Voight in 'Heat' more than Don Johnson in the original show, but
there you go...

Best

Phil
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242722 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 22:45
Paul Clarke  
Looks like MIAMI VICE was mostly shot on digital, at least from the look
of the footage in the trailer. I love Mann's movies and thought
COLLATERAL was one of the best thrillers of the past few years, so I
can't wait for this movie, even though I've never seen a frame of the TV
series.

phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> Mac wrote:
>
>
>>Heh. The trailer for Michael Mann's MIAMI VICE looks intriguing. More
>>in the vein of HEAT.
>
>
> Just caught it. Interesting stylistic mix - there are some distinct
> nods to the TV series alongside hints of 'Heat' and 'Collateral'.
> Yeah, should be worth a look. Odd that Colin Farrell should resemble
> Jon Voight in 'Heat' more than Don Johnson in the original show, but
> there you go...
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>

--
==007===
"My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as
drinking Dom Perignon '53 above a temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit.
That's as bad as dissing the Casino Royale movie before viewing even one
frame of film."
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242729 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 00:33
Mac  
Paul Clarke wrote:

> Looks like MIAMI VICE was mostly shot on digital, at least from the
> look of the footage in the trailer. I love Mann's movies and thought
> COLLATERAL was one of the best thrillers of the past few years, so I
> can't wait for this movie, even though I've never seen a frame of the
> TV series.

Check out Mann's THIEF if you haven't seen it. It's better than
COLLATERAL, IMO.
--
--
--Mac

"James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of a no-score
draw in an Oompa Loompa Basketball game."
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242731 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 00:49
Tom Zielinski  
"Mac" <see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:48jdv8Fjs60bU1 [at] individual.net...
> Paul Clarke wrote:
>
>> Looks like MIAMI VICE was mostly shot on digital, at least from the
>> look of the footage in the trailer. I love Mann's movies and thought
>> COLLATERAL was one of the best thrillers of the past few years, so I
>> can't wait for this movie, even though I've never seen a frame of the
>> TV series.
>
> Check out Mann's THIEF if you haven't seen it. It's better than
> COLLATERAL, IMO.
> --
> --
> --Mac
>
> "James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of a no-score
> draw in an Oompa Loompa Basketball game."


Huh. Kinda like football without the hooligan rioting.

;)




Tom
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242739 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 02:37
phil.gerrard1  
Mac wrote:

> Check out Mann's THIEF if you haven't seen it. It's better than
> COLLATERAL, IMO.

A great movie, probably a career best for James Caan and Robert Prosky
- and watch for Dennis Farina and William Petersen in tiny bit-parts.
It's worth watching the TV show 'Crime Story' as well for the number of
elements which get recycled in other Mann movies, not to mention a
whole lot of stuff which is a dry run for Scorsese's 'Casino' (both
drew on the same historical stories). Of course, much of it is superb
in its own right.

Best

Phil

(Wondering how he finds the time :-) )
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242766 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 12:03
Duggy  
edrhodes [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> First of all, I stand corrected on my original stand that Lazenby's
> post-OHMSS career consisted of "not" playing James Bond (ie, playing a
> charcter who was obviously supposed to be Bond, but not called by
> name.)

That's OK, part of Roger Moore's career consisted of "not" playing
Roger Moore (ie, playing a charcter who thought they were Roger Moore
or were a bumbling French Detective who had plastic surgery to look
like Moore.)

===
= DUG.
===
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242767 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 12:05
Duggy  
Mac wrote:
> Heh. The trailer for Michael Mann's MIAMI VICE looks intriguing. More
> in the vein of HEAT.

Well, wasn't Heat just a remake of LA Takedown, the failled Miami Vice
spin-off?

===
= DUG.
===
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242774 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 14:19
phil.gerrard1  
Duggy wrote:

> Well, wasn't Heat just a remake of LA Takedown, the failled Miami Vice
> spin-off?

I'd quibble with the word 'just' in that sentence...

Best

Phil
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242776 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 15:11
Duggy  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> Duggy wrote:

> > Well, wasn't Heat just a remake of LA Takedown, the failled Miami Vice
> > spin-off?
> I'd quibble with the word 'just' in that sentence...

Fair enough. Heat is after all the second best cops & robbers film.
(Beaten only by Breaking News)

===
= DUG.
===
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242790 ] So, 26 März 2006 00:04
Draugnar  
"Mac" <see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:48j1c2Fjt8pvU1 [at] individual.net...
> "Forgive me, Mr. Bond; determining who gives the worst performance
> in CONAN THE DESTROYER was never my strong point."

The second Conan would have been much better had they gone all out and not
tried to make it the kinder, gentler, PG Conan. More death and destruction
and maybe seeing a little nudity (OK, so it would have had to star someone
other than Olivia d'Abo as the princess as she was only 17 when she made
CTD)

Draugnar
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242791 ] So, 26 März 2006 00:20
Draugnar  
SACRILEGE! BLASPHEMER! Colin Baker is my FAVORITE Doctor, if just because
you started to think he might actually be getting it on with Peri. I know,
I'm a dirty old perv, but I always wanted to see the porn version of Doctor
Who with Nyssa and Tegan teaching Adric a thing or two about women.

Anyhow, I've been watching Season 27 (Season One of the new Doctor) on SciFi
and, while it has updated the production values (episode two's effects as
the Earth meets it's demise were pretty good for BBC TV), it still has some
fun "camp" value. I'm enjoying it immensely.

Draugnar

"Mac" <see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:48ig7rFk0bc9U1 [at] individual.net...
> edrhodes [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oh, and for THE EQUALIZER? They should have brought in Paul Darrow. He
>> could have eaten that character for breakfast!
>
> And a considerable portion of the scenery...
>
> They should have hired Darrow for DOCTOR WHO instead of Colin Baker.
> --
> --Mac
>
> Vargas RIP
>
>
>
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242808 ] So, 26 März 2006 05:42
edrhodes  
Mac wrote:
> edrhodes [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Oh, and for THE EQUALIZER? They should have brought in Paul Darrow. He
> > could have eaten that character for breakfast!
>
> And a considerable portion of the scenery...
>
> They should have hired Darrow for DOCTOR WHO instead of Colin Baker.
> --
> --Mac
>
> Vargas RIP

I think he was on the short list, but he wanted to go dark and
Victorian similar to Jon Pertwee and they wanted large and colorful.
(Which they got! I kinda liked Baker the Second.)
"Doctor Who" (was: A Lazenby question) [message #242811 ] So, 26 März 2006 06:50
ahk  
At 6:20pm -0500, 03/25/06, draugnar [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net wrote:

>>They should have hired [Paul] Darrow for DOCTOR WHO instead of Colin Baker.

>SACRILEGE! BLASPHEMER! Colin Baker is my FAVORITE Doctor, if just
>because you started to think he might actually be getting it on with
>Peri. I know, I'm a dirty old perv, but I always wanted to see the porn
>version of Doctor Who with Nyssa and Tegan teaching Adric a thing or two
>about women.

Oh, I found it quite satisfying that Adric met the demise he did and never
got laid. He killed the dinosaurs! Man, he was the most annoying companion
ever. I hate the genius teenager cliche of so many science fiction
programs.

If I had wanted a pr0n version, Nyssa and Tegan would have tied Adric up,
left him to some hideous fate, and THEN gotten it on.

>Anyhow, I've been watching Season 27 (Season One of the new Doctor) on SciFi
>and, while it has updated the production values (episode two's effects as
>the Earth meets it's demise were pretty good for BBC TV), it still has some
>fun "camp" value. I'm enjoying it immensely.

Hm. I liked the first one, except it ruined convention by not killing the
boy friend. In the second one, the Doctor followed convention by having an
innocent die. Didn't like the fan blade set piece at all. (Look! We have a
budget for a few digital effects!) Eccleston is amusing, and CLEARLY has
the screen presence to have made a better James Bond than Daniel Craig.
Next episode: The Doctor lands at EON and discovers that the Moonraker
script was a Cyberman plot!

I like the current version of the theme. The new layout of the console
room is intriguing. Really don't like the tinkering they've done with the
back story, especially killing off the Galifreyans.

My favorite period was a portion of the Tom Baker years, especially with
Louise Jameson. Damn, she was hot. Most of the scripts were terrific. I
also liked most of the scripts with the two Romanas.

Didn't like the scripts during his final season or most of the Peter
Davison era. Colin Baker's introduction was startling.
Re: "Doctor Who" (was: A Lazenby question) [message #242823 ] So, 26 März 2006 13:09
phil.gerrard1  
Adam wrote:

> Eccleston is amusing, and CLEARLY has
> the screen presence to have made a better James Bond than Daniel Craig.

Amusing? I think Eccleston's one serious flaw as the Doctor is that
his attempts at the manic / whimsical / light-hearted stuff look pretty
painfully forced. It's not his strength as an actor and it shows.
Stick around until 'Dalek' and you'll see what the guy does best.

As for Eccleston vs Craig, watch 'Our Friends in the North' to see them
go head-to-head. If you then want to claim that Eccleston has the
greater screen presence in everything he does, that's fine. I think
you'll find that it's not as clear a distinction as you'd like to make
it. (Incidentally, if you're playing a series which is named after
your character, you're going to be the absolute centre of attention
throughout - it may be the simple fact that Eccleston is playing the
lead, iconic character which gives you the impression of great screen
presence.)

I also shudder to think what the anti-Eccleston-as-Bond camp would have
to say about him - Northern accent, big ears, odd face, truculent
interviews and all. It would make the Craig controversy look like a
storm in a teacup by comparison.

Best

Phil
Re: "Doctor Who" (was: A Lazenby question) [message #242825 ] So, 26 März 2006 13:15
phil.gerrard1  
Adam wrote:

> Hm. I liked the first one, except it ruined convention by not killing the
> boy friend.

SPOILER - please look away if you don't want to know how the series
pans out -




























The boyfriend, Micky / Nicky, not only isn't killed, but returns
frequently and appears to be going to do so right through the second
season. He and Rose's mum are recurring characters and become a major
irritant IMHO.

Best

Phil
Re: "Doctor Who" [message #242832 ] So, 26 März 2006 18:52
ahk  
phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com wrote:

>As for Eccleston vs Craig . . .

Get with the gag, eh? You spend way too much time getting trolled by WQ.

For instance, I had lox and bagel for breakfast. The lox wasn't actually
lox, but imported smoked salmon from Scotland. Let me tell you, that dead
fish had more screen presence than Daniel Craig. In fact, I would rank it
among the top ten dead fish produced by the British Isles today.

Now you try one. You'll feel better.
Re: "Doctor Who" [message #242850 ] Mo, 27 März 2006 00:57
phil.gerrard1  
Adam wrote:

> >As for Eccleston vs Craig . . .
>
> Get with the gag, eh? You spend way too much time getting trolled by WQ.

Heh. The logic circuits overheated, leading to a secondary blowout in
the adjacent sense of humour processor. To put it another way, I
forgot that this NG can and should be fun. Sorry 'bout that.

The Doctor is such a great part - one of the few acting roles which is
the equivalent of being able to write your own cheque. Above all, I
hope the series continues in the States and that you get to see
Tennent. Let me know your first impressions when you do.

Best

Phil
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242879 ] Mo, 27 März 2006 17:13
Paul Clarke  
Seen THIEF many times. I like it a lot. Not sure if I like it better
than COLLATERAL though.

Mac wrote:
> Paul Clarke wrote:
>
>
>>Looks like MIAMI VICE was mostly shot on digital, at least from the
>>look of the footage in the trailer. I love Mann's movies and thought
>>COLLATERAL was one of the best thrillers of the past few years, so I
>>can't wait for this movie, even though I've never seen a frame of the
>>TV series.
>
>
> Check out Mann's THIEF if you haven't seen it. It's better than
> COLLATERAL, IMO.

--
==007===
"My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as
drinking Dom Perignon '53 above a temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit.
That's as bad as
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242883 ] Mo, 27 März 2006 18:13
Tom Zielinski  
"Paul Clarke" <jim_caerleon [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aiTVf.13360$%H.7951 [at] clgrps13...
> Seen THIEF many times. I like it a lot. Not sure if I like it better than
> COLLATERAL though.


My son Mike and I went to The Green Mill yesterday. (He moved into the city
last August for his first semester at DePaul.) He had seen a History
Channel program on Al Capone which included a detailed segment on the
establishment, and he was impressed to see it. He also is a big of James
Caan, so I went into deepdiscountdvd.com this morning and ordered "Thief"
for him. Kudos to Mac for the recommendation several years ago.

Another of Mike's favorite actors is William Petersen (loves CSI) and so I
also got "Manhunter" for him. ($9.74 each and free shipping!) He didn't
know there were so many Chicago connections in both films, and has seen
neither. He's in for a treat.

I'm such a good dad.

;)

I also thought Mann's "Collateral" was an excellent movie.



Tom
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242887 ] Mo, 27 März 2006 23:16
Mac  
Tom Zielinski wrote:


> My son Mike and I went to The Green Mill yesterday. (He moved into
> the city last August for his first semester at DePaul.) He had seen
> a History Channel program on Al Capone which included a detailed
> segment on the establishment, and he was impressed to see it. He
> also is a big of James Caan, so I went into deepdiscountdvd.com this
> morning and ordered "Thief" for him. Kudos to Mac for the
> recommendation several years ago.
> Another of Mike's favorite actors is William Petersen (loves CSI) and
> so I also got "Manhunter" for him. ($9.74 each and free shipping!) He
> didn't know there were so many Chicago connections in both films,
> and has seen neither. He's in for a treat.
>
> I'm such a good dad.

Wonder if he'll spot Petersen and Farina in THIEF?

> I also thought Mann's "Collateral" was an excellent movie.

Me too. Up until the derivative finale on the LA. Metro.
--
--
--Mac

"Forgive me, Mr. Bond; climaxing was never my strong point."
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242888 ] Di, 28 März 2006 01:17
phil.gerrard1  
Tom wrote:

> I'm such a good dad.

Well, your son sounds like a pretty discerning fellow himself. The two
are probably connected :-)

Best

Phil
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242889 ] Di, 28 März 2006 01:28
phil.gerrard1  
Tom, Mac:

> > I also thought Mann's "Collateral" was an excellent movie.
>
> Me too. Up until the derivative finale on the LA. Metro.

Yeah, I'd agree. It was just one action scene too far, and it's a
shame that in this case the dodgy finale probably made me less likely
to re-watch the movie than I should have been. I must dig it out
again, because there is a lot of fine stuff in there.

To go back to the Tom Cruise point - not that anybody in their right
mind would wish me to do so - he is indeed excellent in the film. What
I find fascinating is that as in 'Magnolia' he's playing a
fundamentally unpleasant character whose self-motivational credo isn't
a million miles removed from the basis of Cruise's own spiritual
beliefs: any writer willing to do so could turn Mackey or Vincent into
Scientologists with a minimum of script changes. Did he miss the irony
or is he more relaxed about these issues than Isaac Hayes has turned
out to be?

Best

Phil
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242901 ] Di, 28 März 2006 05:47
Mike Feeney  
> edrhodes [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Oh, and for THE EQUALIZER? They should have brought in
> > Paul Darrow. He could have eaten that character for
> breakfast!
> And a considerable portion of the scenery...
>
> They should have hired Darrow for DOCTOR WHO instead of
> Colin Baker. --
> --Mac
>
> Vargas RIP
>


You are probably aware of this, Mac, but Darrow appeared as
a villain in one of the Colin Baker WHO stories!

As for Colin Baker, he was unfortunate to have weak scripts
to work with during his tenure. If he had been provided
with good material to work with, then I am certain his
tenure as the Doctor would have been much better. Case in
point, THE TWO DOCTORS -- a very good episode all around if
you haven't seen it, Mac. Scripted by veteran WHO writer
Robert Holmes -- it was rare in that it offered Baker a good
story to work with. And of course the return of Patrick
Troughton injects a lot of fun as well. In fact, it's the
only Colin Baker story I find worthy of the series, with the
possible exception of his first story THE TWIN DILEMNA.

As for Baker's performance itself, I am certain that his
Doctor's rather over-bearing personality was an intentional
attempt to compensate for the awful characterization of the
character during the Davison years. Davison's Doctor was
too passive, too undecisive, too wimpy, too boring. And his
stories also suffered from poor writing. The only Davison
story I like is his last one, also scripted by Robert
Holmes.

But I digress. I wish Colin Baker could have been given
better source material to work with, because he was very
capable of delivering a good performance as the Doctor, as
is evidenced by THE TWO DOCTORS.

--Mike
Re: "Doctor Who" (was: A Lazenby question) [message #242902 ] Di, 28 März 2006 06:15
Mike Feeney  
Adam wrote...
> My favorite period was a portion of the Tom Baker years,
> especially with Louise Jameson.

Amen to that, my brother! For me, the entire Leela run
with Tom Baker represents the absolute highlight of the
series. The show has never had a better season, in my
humble opinion. Baker had settled comfortably into the
role by now (he was a still a bit stiff during much of the
Sarah Jane period) and gives some of his best performances.
And the scripts during this period were superb -- simply
some of the best we've ever been given. Robert Holmes,
Chris Boucher, Bob Baker & Dave Martin -- these guys knew
how to write a good WHO story!

>Damn, she was hot.

Agreed! I think she looks the hottest in IMAGE OF THE
FENDAHL. I recently re-watched that story and had to take a
cold shower afterwards. I'm not kidding -- that's how hot
she was in it! How the good Doctor could control himself is
beyond me! :)

>Most
> of the scripts were terrific.

Agreed. As I wrote above, the scripts during this season
were the best ever (as a whole) in my opinion. HORROR OF
FANG ROCK, INVISIBLE ENEMY, SUN MAKERS, TALONS OF WENG
CHIANG, ROBOTS OF DEATH, INVASION OF TIME, FACE OF EVIL,
IMAGE OF THE FENDAHL.... damn, this was good stuff. Chris
Boucher, who wrote 3 of the stories during this run
(including the introduction of Leela) -- he went on to write
a lot for BLAKE'S 7, I believe.

>I also liked most of the
> scripts with the two Romanas.

Same here, although the stories just weren't quite on a par
with the Leela run.

> Didn't like the scripts during his final season or most of
> the Peter Davison era.

Agreed again, Adam! I can't stand Tom Baker's final season,
with the lone exception of one episode: MEGLOS. Other
than that lone gem, his last season really sucked in my
opinion. The stories just weren't very good -- something
that would continue on through the Davison and Colin Baker
years. I've never seen a Sylvester McCoy story, so I can't
comment on his tenure.


>Colin Baker's introduction was
> startling

Yes, it was. And as I responded in a different post to Mac,
I am certain that the creative forces behind the show made a
deliberate attempt to distance Colin Baker's Doctor as far
as possible from Peter Davison's. Davison's Doctor was
wimpy, undecisive, and boring. So to compensate, they made
Colin Baker's Doctor loud, arrogant, and a bit over-bearing.
Perhaps they over-compensated. But regardless, both
Davison and Colin Baker suffered from lack of good stories.
Tom Baker's second to last season really marks the last
season of the show I enjoyed. The series could have ended
there, really. For me it did, because with the exception of
THE TWO DOCTORS and MEGLOS, I don't own any stories past Tom
Baker's second to last season.

I must admit I am curious as to the new (current) series.
Haven't seen any episodes yet, but expect to within the next
month or so since it has now begun airing in the U.S.

--Mike
"Doctor Who" (was: A Lazenby question) [message #242906 ] Di, 28 März 2006 07:50
ahk  
At 3:47am -0000, 03/28/06, Mike Feeney <moonraker79 [at] excite.comPLICATE> wrote:

>You are probably aware of this, Mac, but Darrow appeared as
>a villain in one of the Colin Baker WHO stories!

I'm sure Mac knows. I had forgotten.

I find a note about Paul Darrow in "The Silurians" 7th Season from 1970, a
Jon Pertwee episode. He played "Hawkins". The 22nd season episode you
refer to is "Timelash", in which the Doctor enlists the help of H.G.
Wells.

>As for Colin Baker, he was unfortunate to have weak scripts
>to work with during his tenure. If he had been provided
>with good material to work with, then I am certain his
>tenure as the Doctor would have been much better.

That can be said about any tv or movie...

>As for Baker's performance itself, I am certain that his
>Doctor's rather over-bearing personality was an intentional
>attempt to compensate for the awful characterization of the
>character during the Davison years. Davison's Doctor was
>too passive, too undecisive, too wimpy, too boring. And his
>stories also suffered from poor writing. The only Davison
>story I like is his last one, also scripted by Robert
>Holmes.

How can you dislike Tristan Farnon's characterization of The Doctor? He
rid the universe of Adric!

Honestly, despite the horrid scripts, I found him likeable anyway. I
didn't expect the scripts to get worse... How the Doctor survived into the
Sylvester McCoy era, I'll never know.
Re: "Doctor Who" [message #242907 ] Di, 28 März 2006 08:27
ahk  
At 4:15am -0000, 03/28/06, Mike Feeney <moonraker79 [at] excite.comPLICATE> wrote:
>Adam wrote...

>>My favorite period was a portion of the Tom Baker years, especially with
>>Louise Jameson.

>Amen to that, my brother! For me, the entire Leela run
>with Tom Baker represents the absolute highlight of the
>series. The show has never had a better season, in my
>humble opinion. Baker had settled comfortably into the
>role by now (he was a still a bit stiff during much of the
>Sarah Jane period) and gives some of his best performances.

Some of the scripts weren't wonderful. It's too bad the Sarah Jane/Fourth
Doctor episodes weren't better. She had some decent material with the
Third Doctor. She was an intelligent woman, but just another screamer in
some of the Fourth Doctor episodes. She was quite a relief after the
horrid Jo Grant, the companion who ruined many a Third Doctor episode.

>And the scripts during this period were superb -- simply some of the best
>we've ever been given. Robert Holmes, Chris Boucher, Bob Baker & Dave
>Martin -- these guys knew how to write a good WHO story!

Yes, absolutely.

>>Damn, she was hot.

>Agreed! I think she looks the hottest in IMAGE OF THE
>FENDAHL. I recently re-watched that story and had to take a
>cold shower afterwards. I'm not kidding -- that's how hot
>she was in it! How the good Doctor could control himself is
>beyond me! :)

He learned a few tricks in 900 years... and rejection would have meant a
Janus thorn! "The Talons of Weng-Chiang" has my favorite line about Leela:
She has musces like a horse! Deep Roy played Mr. Sin, who would later play
all of the Oompa Loompas in the recent "Charlie and the Chocolate
Factory".

>>Most of the scripts were terrific.

>>I also liked most of the scripts with the two Romanas.

>Same here, although the stories just weren't quite on a par with the
>Leela run.

"The Pirate Planet", a Romana I episode, is terrific.

>I must admit I am curious as to the new (current) series.
>Haven't seen any episodes yet, but expect to within the next
>month or so since it has now begun airing in the U.S.

You don't subscribe to cable? Are you waiting for the release of the
DVD's in a few months?
Re: "Doctor Who" (was: A Lazenby question) [message #242911 ] Di, 28 März 2006 12:38
phil.gerrard1  
Adam, then Mike:

> > My favorite period was a portion of the Tom Baker years,
> > especially with Louise Jameson.
>
> Amen to that, my brother! For me, the entire Leela run
> with Tom Baker represents the absolute highlight of the
> series.

Funnily enough, Tom Baker is on record as having disliked the Leela
character. (He also wanted the Cybermen to try to force the Doctor and
Sarah Jane to teach them how to dance like Fred Astaire and Ginger
Rogers, FWIW.)

If you haven't yet read his autobiography, you should...

Best

Phil
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242916 ] Di, 28 März 2006 16:03
edrhodes  
Duggy wrote:
> edrhodes [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> > First of all, I stand corrected on my original stand that Lazenby's
> > post-OHMSS career consisted of "not" playing James Bond (ie, playing a
> > charcter who was obviously supposed to be Bond, but not called by
> > name.)
>
> That's OK, part of Roger Moore's career consisted of "not" playing
> Roger Moore (ie, playing a charcter who thought they were Roger Moore
> or were a bumbling French Detective who had plastic surgery to look
> like Moore.)

I know there was the one Burt Reynolds racing movie, but I'm not a
major Moore fan so I wouldn't notice if he'd made a habit of it.
Re: "Doctor Who" [message #242917 ] Di, 28 März 2006 16:05
edrhodes  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> Adam wrote:
>
> > >As for Eccleston vs Craig . . .
> >
> > Get with the gag, eh? You spend way too much time getting trolled by WQ.
>
> Heh. The logic circuits overheated, leading to a secondary blowout in
> the adjacent sense of humour processor. To put it another way, I
> forgot that this NG can and should be fun. Sorry 'bout that.
>
> The Doctor is such a great part - one of the few acting roles which is
> the equivalent of being able to write your own cheque. Above all, I
> hope the series continues in the States and that you get to see
> Tennent. Let me know your first impressions when you do.
>
> Best
>
> Phil

I'm curious as to what they're going to do when they run out of
incarnations. We know he's supposed to have twelve. And we know (from
"Trial of a Time Lord") that the twelfth one is probably insane. I
think they're up to ten now, so what happens if the series has to
continue past the eleventh Doctor?
Re: A Lazenby question [message #242918 ] Di, 28 März 2006 16:06
edrhodes  
Paul Clarke wrote:
> Seen THIEF many times. I like it a lot. Not sure if I like it better
> than COLLATERAL though.
>
> Mac wrote:
> > Paul Clarke wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Looks like MIAMI VICE was mostly shot on digital, at least from the
> >>look of the footage in the trailer. I love Mann's movies and thought
> >>COLLATERAL was one of the best thrillers of the past few years, so I
> >>can't wait for this movie, even though I've never seen a frame of the
> >>TV series.
> >
> >
> > Check out Mann's THIEF if you haven't seen it. It's better than
> > COLLATERAL, IMO.
>
> --
> ==007===
> "My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as
> drinking Dom Perignon '53 above a temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit.
> That's as bad as


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