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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » 1983: A great year for James Bond fans
1983: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240621] Mo, 20 März 2006 01:47
akaiser77  
I was six in 1983, but already I was a Bond fan after having watched
FYEO over and over again on HBO in 1982. My brother is three years
older than I am, and when we learned that not one, but two James Bond
movies were to be released in 1983, we pestered my mother endlessly
until she agreed to take us to see them both.

Maybe it's this childhood memory, but I still look upon OP and NSNA as
excellent Bond films. Though OP has an overwrought plot IMO, and I
could do without the Tarzan scream (among other details), I still rank
it as the best of the EON Bonds from that decade. Roger Moore gives an
excellent performance, the villains are above average, and the
locations are exotic and wonderful.

The writing is also consistently good; there's an element of tension
and danger to OP that I don't find in, say, AVTAK. It gets really
intense when M (played for the first time by my favorite, Robert Brown)
meets Bond in London, and continues through to the end. OP is tied
with the Daltons and OHMSS as my favorite Bond film.

NSNA also has my respect 23 years after its release. I think Lorenzo
Semple, Jr.'s script is superb--as good or better than any EON script
of the decade, and better than any EON script since OHMSS. Too bad
Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli can't be persuaded to hire
Semple to write the new Bonds for them. NSNA's one-liners are
particularly outstanding, and the film has a coherent structure that is
lacking in, for example, TLD.

The casting is excellent, with the exception of the bland Kim Basinger
and the seriously annoying Edward Fox, who I think totally blows his
role as M's successor. Klaus Maria Brandauer is fabulous as
Largo--charming, intelligent, exuberant, and disturbing. One of the
great Bond villains. Barbara Carrera does a great job as another
SPECTRE psychopath. Finally, I think Sean Connery gives his best
performance as Bond in NSNA--even better than his performances in the
Sixties. He's witty, charming in his old way, and still tough and
lethal. His performance totally makes up for DAF, at least to me.

The one drawback: Michel Legrand's score. But I don't think it's as
horrible as a lot of other people think.

All in all: 1983 was a great year to be a Bond fan.

Austin Kaiser
Re: 1983: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240622 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 01:49
akaiser77  
I meant when M meets Bond in Berlin.

AK
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240624 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 01:51
Will Traynor  
<akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142815647.140695.159200 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I was six in 1983, but already I was a Bond fan after having watched
> FYEO over and over again on HBO in 1982. My brother is three years
> older than I am, and when we learned that not one, but two James Bond
> movies were to be released in 1983, we pestered my mother endlessly
> until she agreed to take us to see them both.
>
> Maybe it's this childhood memory, but I still look upon OP and NSNA as
> excellent Bond films. Though OP has an overwrought plot IMO, and I
> could do without the Tarzan scream (among other details), I still rank
> it as the best of the EON Bonds from that decade. Roger Moore gives an
> excellent performance, the villains are above average, and the
> locations are exotic and wonderful.
>
> The writing is also consistently good; there's an element of tension
> and danger to OP that I don't find in, say, AVTAK. It gets really
> intense when M (played for the first time by my favorite, Robert Brown)
> meets Bond in London, and continues through to the end. OP is tied
> with the Daltons and OHMSS as my favorite Bond film.
>
> NSNA also has my respect 23 years after its release. I think Lorenzo
> Semple, Jr.'s script is superb--as good or better than any EON script
> of the decade, and better than any EON script since OHMSS. Too bad
> Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli can't be persuaded to hire
> Semple to write the new Bonds for them. NSNA's one-liners are
> particularly outstanding, and the film has a coherent structure that is
> lacking in, for example, TLD.
>
> The casting is excellent, with the exception of the bland Kim Basinger
> and the seriously annoying Edward Fox, who I think totally blows his
> role as M's successor. Klaus Maria Brandauer is fabulous as
> Largo--charming, intelligent, exuberant, and disturbing. One of the
> great Bond villains. Barbara Carrera does a great job as another
> SPECTRE psychopath. Finally, I think Sean Connery gives his best
> performance as Bond in NSNA--even better than his performances in the
> Sixties. He's witty, charming in his old way, and still tough and
> lethal. His performance totally makes up for DAF, at least to me.
>
> The one drawback: Michel Legrand's score. But I don't think it's as
> horrible as a lot of other people think.
>
> All in all: 1983 was a great year to be a Bond fan.
>
> Austin Kaiser
>

I admire your enthusiasm for these Bond films, although I think you give
them a bit too much credit. I really don't want to get into reasons why I
disagree with some of your opinions. Nonetheless, I respect your point of
view. I must admit, it was odd having two Bond films come out within months
of each other.
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240625 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 02:11
Mac  
akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:

> NSNA also has my respect 23 years after its release. I think Lorenzo
> Semple, Jr.'s script is superb--as good or better than any EON script
> of the decade, and better than any EON script since OHMSS. Too bad
> Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli can't be persuaded to hire
> Semple to write the new Bonds for them. NSNA's one-liners are
> particularly outstanding, and the film has a coherent structure that
> is lacking in, for example, TLD.

A lot of the humorous exchanges are the uncredited work of the
gifted Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais. Connery also used them on
THE ROCK.

One possible reason why the script seems so well structured is
because it's an adaptation of Fleming's most cinematic novel (and
was originally conceived as a screen adventure).
--
--
--Mac
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240626 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 02:30
phil.gerrard1  
Mac wrote:

> One possible reason why the script seems so well structured is
> because it's an adaptation of Fleming's most cinematic novel (and
> was originally conceived as a screen adventure).

IMHO Fleming's TB also includes the first real flirtation between Bond
and Moneypenny, who had previously been depicted as rather a cold fish.
The novel also marks the debut of Bond's EON-style one-liners ('If you
catch fire, you can sue' comes to mind). I think it's the novel in
which Fleming best anticipated the direction in which EON's Bond would
later go.

Best

Phil
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240627 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 02:32
Mac  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:

> Mac wrote:
>
>> One possible reason why the script seems so well structured is
>> because it's an adaptation of Fleming's most cinematic novel (and
>> was originally conceived as a screen adventure).
>
> IMHO Fleming's TB also includes the first real flirtation between Bond
> and Moneypenny, who had previously been depicted as rather a cold
> fish. The novel also marks the debut of Bond's EON-style one-liners
> ('If you catch fire, you can sue' comes to mind). I think it's the
> novel in which Fleming best anticipated the direction in which EON's
> Bond would later go.

Quite an achievement for a book published in 1961. :)
--
--
--Mac
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240628 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 02:38
phil.gerrard1  
Mac wrote:

> Quite an achievement for a book published in 1961. :)

Maybe Fleming anticipated which way the wind would blow. Had he made
Bond a Scot there and then I would have sworn he was psychic :-)

Best

Phil
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240630 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 02:49
Mac  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:

> Mac wrote:
>
>> Quite an achievement for a book published in 1961. :)
>
> Maybe Fleming anticipated which way the wind would blow. Had he made
> Bond a Scot there and then I would have sworn he was psychic :-)

Fleming's "Thunderball" was intended to be the first Bond film, and it is
the novel Connery read first in preparation for the role. If anything,
it could be suggested "Thunderball" is the novel EON used as the template
for the series, as it had coloured all subsequent projects, including the
first produced feature film DR NO.

Just don't say it loud enough for Mr. McClory's lawyers to hear...
--
--
--Mac
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240632 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 03:49
Bill  
Another reason that 1983 was one of the best Bond years ever was that year
not only were Sean Connery and Roger Moore reprising the role of 007, but so
was George Lazenby. He made a cameo as "JB" driving a DB5 dressed in a tux
with a Walther PPK by his side in a car chase in Las Vegas assisting
Napolean Solo in The Return of the Man from UNCLE broadcast on one of the
main networks here in the US that spring. While it is not an official
production (and for that matter, neither was NSNA, although legally
Taliafilm and Warner Bros were able to make it) the fact that Ian Fleming
himself was the creator of The Man from UNCLE gives this Lazenby cameo a
great deal of legitimacy.

It truly was a great Bond year--I will always treasure my issue of Starlog
Magazine with both Moore and Connery on the cover with features on both OP
and NSNA and the UNCLE TV movie. This was back in the days before the
internet when a magazine like this was almost like the Holy Grail in terms
of Bond content.

Those were the days!

Bill
"Mac" <see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:486g28FihqrtU1 [at] individual.net...
> phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
>
>> Mac wrote:
>>
>>> Quite an achievement for a book published in 1961. :)
>>
>> Maybe Fleming anticipated which way the wind would blow. Had he made
>> Bond a Scot there and then I would have sworn he was psychic :-)
>
> Fleming's "Thunderball" was intended to be the first Bond film, and it is
> the novel Connery read first in preparation for the role. If anything,
> it could be suggested "Thunderball" is the novel EON used as the template
> for the series, as it had coloured all subsequent projects, including the
> first produced feature film DR NO.
>
> Just don't say it loud enough for Mr. McClory's lawyers to hear...
> --
> --
> --Mac
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240641 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 05:24
JHause  
Bill wrote:
> Another reason that 1983 was one of the best Bond years ever was that year
> not only were Sean Connery and Roger Moore reprising the role of 007, but so
> was George Lazenby. He made a cameo as "JB" driving a DB5 dressed in a tux
> with a Walther PPK by his side in a car chase in Las Vegas assisting
> Napolean Solo in The Return of the Man from UNCLE broadcast on one of the
> main networks here in the US that spring. While it is not an official
> production (and for that matter, neither was NSNA, although legally
> Taliafilm and Warner Bros were able to make it) the fact that Ian Fleming
> himself was the creator of The Man from UNCLE gives this Lazenby cameo a
> great deal of legitimacy.
>
> It truly was a great Bond year--I will always treasure my issue of Starlog
> Magazine with both Moore and Connery on the cover with features on both OP
> and NSNA and the UNCLE TV movie. This was back in the days before the
> internet when a magazine like this was almost like the Holy Grail in terms
> of Bond content.
>
> Those were the days!
>
> Bill

I was even excited about new Gardner novels in those days. I think
"Icebreaker" came out about that time, which I liked a lot.
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240644 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 05:36
akaiser77  
My older brother got into the Gardner novels, too. I think he read
them before he even got around to reading Fleming. I've never read any
of them, though I've read all the Fleming novels and Amis' Colonel Sun.

He particularly liked Icebreaker. Maybe I'll pick it up and read it
sometime.

AK
Re: 1983: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240646 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 08:20
dgates  
On 19 Mar 2006 16:47:27 -0800, akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:

>I was six in 1983, but already I was a Bond fan after having watched
>FYEO over and over again on HBO in 1982. My brother is three years
>older than I am, and when we learned that not one, but two James Bond
>movies were to be released in 1983, we pestered my mother endlessly
>until she agreed to take us to see them both.
>
>Maybe it's this childhood memory, but I still look upon OP and NSNA as
>excellent Bond films. Though OP has an overwrought plot IMO, and I
>could do without the Tarzan scream (among other details), I still rank
>it as the best of the EON Bonds from that decade. Roger Moore gives an
>excellent performance, the villains are above average, and the
>locations are exotic and wonderful.
>
>The writing is also consistently good; there's an element of tension
>and danger to OP that I don't find in, say, AVTAK. It gets really
>intense when M (played for the first time by my favorite, Robert Brown)
>meets Bond in London, and continues through to the end. OP is tied
>with the Daltons and OHMSS as my favorite Bond film.
>
>NSNA also has my respect 23 years after its release. I think Lorenzo
>Semple, Jr.'s script is superb--as good or better than any EON script
>of the decade, and better than any EON script since OHMSS. Too bad
>Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli can't be persuaded to hire
>Semple to write the new Bonds for them. NSNA's one-liners are
>particularly outstanding, and the film has a coherent structure that is
>lacking in, for example, TLD.
>
>The casting is excellent, with the exception of the bland Kim Basinger
>and the seriously annoying Edward Fox, who I think totally blows his
>role as M's successor. Klaus Maria Brandauer is fabulous as
>Largo--charming, intelligent, exuberant, and disturbing. One of the
>great Bond villains. Barbara Carrera does a great job as another
>SPECTRE psychopath. Finally, I think Sean Connery gives his best
>performance as Bond in NSNA--even better than his performances in the
>Sixties. He's witty, charming in his old way, and still tough and
>lethal. His performance totally makes up for DAF, at least to me.
>
>The one drawback: Michel Legrand's score. But I don't think it's as
>horrible as a lot of other people think.
>
>All in all: 1983 was a great year to be a Bond fan.

Hmm, maybe 1983 was just a great year to be six! :-)

I think that ages six through thirteen are particularly impressionable
ones for young Bond fans. All of my most beloved Bond films are ones
that I saw during those years.

It is quite possible that Octopussy is a "better" movie than "Live and
Let Die," but I'll never be able to see it that way. Why? Because I
first saw "Live and Let Die" when I was nine and just old enough to go
see movies (over and over) with just my friends and no parents along.

OTOH, I saw Octopussy when I was more like nineteen, had already lost
the illusion that all Bond films were great and had possibly even read
a Bond BOOK! :-o

So, I'm glad you had a killer Bond year in 1983, but I'm afraid I
didn't.

Hey, how about some of the other killer movies a kid might have seen
roughly around that time? War Games? The Terminator? Return of the
Jedi? Ghostbusters?
Re: 1983: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240653 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 12:00
phil.gerrard1  
I was 13 in 1983, and OP and NSNA were my first two experiences of
having my hopes for forthcoming Bond films built up, then rather
cruelly dashed when I actually saw them. A useful life lesson learned,
I'd say :-)

Best

Phil
Re: 1983: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240672 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 16:36
akaiser77  
Trust me--we were all over Return of the Jedi, too.

AK
Re: 1983: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240762 ] Di, 21 März 2006 18:14
Draugnar  
For me, 1977 was a great year. Although my favorite Moore 007 is FYEO
(1981), 1977 was the year of Barbara Bach. I was 11 and not only was she in
TSWLM, but in Playboy too. My dad happened to have that issue and, well,
now I have my dad's old copy as part of my Playboy Bond collection. I don't
think seeing her naked warped me too much at 11. Hell, sneaking a peek at
my dad's Playboys was probably one of the most normal things I did at that
age.

Draugnar

"dgates" <dgates [at] spamlinkline.com> wrote in message
news:bjls12l6l0k6ccvp68ia9s8utit91j9rps [at] 4ax.com...
> On 19 Mar 2006 16:47:27 -0800, akaiser77 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>I was six in 1983, but already I was a Bond fan after having watched
>>FYEO over and over again on HBO in 1982. My brother is three years
>>older than I am, and when we learned that not one, but two James Bond
>>movies were to be released in 1983, we pestered my mother endlessly
>>until she agreed to take us to see them both.
>>
>>Maybe it's this childhood memory, but I still look upon OP and NSNA as
>>excellent Bond films. Though OP has an overwrought plot IMO, and I
>>could do without the Tarzan scream (among other details), I still rank
>>it as the best of the EON Bonds from that decade. Roger Moore gives an
>>excellent performance, the villains are above average, and the
>>locations are exotic and wonderful.
>>
>>The writing is also consistently good; there's an element of tension
>>and danger to OP that I don't find in, say, AVTAK. It gets really
>>intense when M (played for the first time by my favorite, Robert Brown)
>>meets Bond in London, and continues through to the end. OP is tied
>>with the Daltons and OHMSS as my favorite Bond film.
>>
>>NSNA also has my respect 23 years after its release. I think Lorenzo
>>Semple, Jr.'s script is superb--as good or better than any EON script
>>of the decade, and better than any EON script since OHMSS. Too bad
>>Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli can't be persuaded to hire
>>Semple to write the new Bonds for them. NSNA's one-liners are
>>particularly outstanding, and the film has a coherent structure that is
>>lacking in, for example, TLD.
>>
>>The casting is excellent, with the exception of the bland Kim Basinger
>>and the seriously annoying Edward Fox, who I think totally blows his
>>role as M's successor. Klaus Maria Brandauer is fabulous as
>>Largo--charming, intelligent, exuberant, and disturbing. One of the
>>great Bond villains. Barbara Carrera does a great job as another
>>SPECTRE psychopath. Finally, I think Sean Connery gives his best
>>performance as Bond in NSNA--even better than his performances in the
>>Sixties. He's witty, charming in his old way, and still tough and
>>lethal. His performance totally makes up for DAF, at least to me.
>>
>>The one drawback: Michel Legrand's score. But I don't think it's as
>>horrible as a lot of other people think.
>>
>>All in all: 1983 was a great year to be a Bond fan.
>
> Hmm, maybe 1983 was just a great year to be six! :-)
>
> I think that ages six through thirteen are particularly impressionable
> ones for young Bond fans. All of my most beloved Bond films are ones
> that I saw during those years.
>
> It is quite possible that Octopussy is a "better" movie than "Live and
> Let Die," but I'll never be able to see it that way. Why? Because I
> first saw "Live and Let Die" when I was nine and just old enough to go
> see movies (over and over) with just my friends and no parents along.
>
> OTOH, I saw Octopussy when I was more like nineteen, had already lost
> the illusion that all Bond films were great and had possibly even read
> a Bond BOOK! :-o
>
> So, I'm glad you had a killer Bond year in 1983, but I'm afraid I
> didn't.
>
> Hey, how about some of the other killer movies a kid might have seen
> roughly around that time? War Games? The Terminator? Return of the
> Jedi? Ghostbusters?
Re: 1983: A great year for James Bond fans [message #240775 ] Di, 21 März 2006 21:15
ahk  
At 12:14pm -0500, 03/21/06, Draugnar <rbolin.no [at] spam.xomox.com> wrote:

>For me, 1977 was a great year. Although my favorite Moore 007 is FYEO
>(1981), 1977 was the year of Barbara Bach. I was 11 and not only was she in
>TSWLM, but in Playboy too. My dad happened to have that issue and, well,
>now I have my dad's old copy as part of my Playboy Bond collection. I don't
>think seeing her naked warped me too much at 11. Hell, sneaking a peek at
>my dad's Playboys was probably one of the most normal things I did at that
>age.

Playboy didn't warp your mind? You really should have given it another
chance.

I loved Playboy in the '70's when the women had real figures.
Re: A great year for James Bond fans [message #242602 ] Do, 23 März 2006 05:58
David_Powell3006  
Bill wrote:
> Another reason that 1983 was one of the best Bond years ever was that year
> not only were Sean Connery and Roger Moore reprising the role of 007, but so
> was George Lazenby. He made a cameo as "JB" driving a DB5 dressed in a tux
> with a Walther PPK by his side in a car chase in Las Vegas assisting
> Napolean Solo in The Return of the Man from UNCLE broadcast on one of the
> main networks here in the US that spring. While it is not an official
> production (and for that matter, neither was NSNA, although legally
> Taliafilm and Warner Bros were able to make it) the fact that Ian Fleming
> himself was the creator of The Man from UNCLE gives this Lazenby cameo a
> great deal of legitimacy.

Wow, that kicks ass! It has been since 1983 since I have seen that one
(Man from UNCLE tv movie) and that rocks....

> It truly was a great Bond year--I will always treasure my issue of Starlog
> Magazine with both Moore and Connery on the cover with features on both OP
> and NSNA and the UNCLE TV movie. This was back in the days before the
> internet when a magazine like this was almost like the Holy Grail in terms
> of Bond content.
>
> Those were the days!

Oh yeah! When there was no internet but songs about Spider Man eating
out of Garbage Cans and Batmobiles breaking wheels so Joker got away
flew coast to coast at the speed of light anyway! Testify man!

> Bill
> "Mac" <see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net> wrote in message
> news:486g28FihqrtU1 [at] individual.net...
> > phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> >
> >> Mac wrote:
> >>
> >>> Quite an achievement for a book published in 1961. :)
> >>
> >> Maybe Fleming anticipated which way the wind would blow. Had he made
> >> Bond a Scot there and then I would have sworn he was psychic :-)
> >
> > Fleming's "Thunderball" was intended to be the first Bond film, and it is
> > the novel Connery read first in preparation for the role. If anything,
> > it could be suggested "Thunderball" is the novel EON used as the template
> > for the series, as it had coloured all subsequent projects, including the
> > first produced feature film DR NO.
> >
> > Just don't say it loud enough for Mr. McClory's lawyers to hear...
> > --
> > --
> > --Mac
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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