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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Voldemort's Religious Beliefs
Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239833] Di, 28 März 2006 02:19
John VanSickle  
So, what religious beliefs are held by the wizard formerly known as Tom
Riddle Jr.?

As I see it, the following are plausible:

1. Possibility one is that Voldemort does not accept the existence of
an afterlife. There is no world except for the one that the eyes can
see. Consequently, Voldemort sees death as the cosmic Game Over With No
Continue.

This explains why he is, as Tolkien put it, "besotted by the fear of
death." To become the greatest and most powerful wizard, and then to
pass on and cease, is probably more than his prideful mind can bear.

2. Possibility two is that Voldemort believes in an afterlife, but
fears it because he cannot be sure that his supremacy in this life will
continue in the next. It has been pointed out to us that he fears being
ordinary; the proud often are.

Regards,
John
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239844 ] Di, 28 März 2006 08:30
Kish  
John VanSickle wrote:
> So, what religious beliefs are held by the wizard formerly known as Tom
> Riddle Jr.?
>
> As I see it, the following are plausible:
>
> 1. Possibility one is that Voldemort does not accept the existence of
> an afterlife. There is no world except for the one that the eyes can
> see. Consequently, Voldemort sees death as the cosmic Game Over With No
> Continue.
>
> This explains why he is, as Tolkien put it, "besotted by the fear of
> death." To become the greatest and most powerful wizard, and then to
> pass on and cease, is probably more than his prideful mind can bear.
>
> 2. Possibility two is that Voldemort believes in an afterlife, but
> fears it because he cannot be sure that his supremacy in this life will
> continue in the next. It has been pointed out to us that he fears being
> ordinary; the proud often are.

One you left out is the one I'd pick:

Possibility three, Voldemort doesn't know what awaits beyond death.
Death terrifies him because it is unknown, and by contrast to
Dumbledore, who called it "the last great adventure," Voldemort doesn't
deal well with the idea of something he can't even learn about, much
less control.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239865 ] Di, 28 März 2006 15:13
Toon  
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:19:02 GMT, John VanSickle
<evilsnack [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

>So, what religious beliefs are held by the wizard formerly known as Tom
>Riddle Jr.?
>
>As I see it, the following are plausible:
>
>1. Possibility one is that Voldemort does not accept the existence of
>an afterlife. There is no world except for the one that the eyes can
>see. Consequently, Voldemort sees death as the cosmic Game Over With No
>Continue.
>
>This explains why he is, as Tolkien put it, "besotted by the fear of
>death." To become the greatest and most powerful wizard, and then to
>pass on and cease, is probably more than his prideful mind can bear.

>2. Possibility two is that Voldemort believes in an afterlife, but
>fears it because he cannot be sure that his supremacy in this life will
>continue in the next. It has been pointed out to us that he fears being
>ordinary; the proud often are.
>
>Regards,
>John

One seems most plausible. If two, he'd work in the DOM and try and
figure out how to take it all with him, basically.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239873 ] Di, 28 März 2006 15:55
JoeMo  
Toon wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:19:02 GMT, John VanSickle
> <evilsnack [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >So, what religious beliefs are held by the wizard formerly known as Tom
> >Riddle Jr.?
> >
> >As I see it, the following are plausible:
> >
> >1. Possibility one is that Voldemort does not accept the existence of
> >an afterlife. There is no world except for the one that the eyes can
> >see. Consequently, Voldemort sees death as the cosmic Game Over With No
> >Continue.
> >
> >This explains why he is, as Tolkien put it, "besotted by the fear of
> >death." To become the greatest and most powerful wizard, and then to
> >pass on and cease, is probably more than his prideful mind can bear.
>
> >2. Possibility two is that Voldemort believes in an afterlife, but
> >fears it because he cannot be sure that his supremacy in this life will
> >continue in the next. It has been pointed out to us that he fears being
> >ordinary; the proud often are.
> >
> >Regards,
> >John
>
> One seems most plausible. If two, he'd work in the DOM and try and
> figure out how to take it all with him, basically.

There's an interesting (albeit overly simplistic) theory that the roles
our parents (or family) play in our lives shape the way we view God and
the afterlife.

The idea is that children with strong parental figures in their lives
are more likely to believe in God, and that children who grow up
without any strong parental figures tend to be more agnostic or
atheist.

Obviously this is a huge overgeneralization, but it's interesting to me
that we see a degree of this concept at work in Harry and Voldemort.
Both were orphans, but Harry grew up as a member of *a* family, no
matter how full of abuse and misery it was. He sill had that 'Godlike'
figure of authority watching over him, teaching him that there are
consequences for your actions. Whereas Tom Riddle had no one. When DD
came to see him in the orphanage and made him give back his trophys, it
was probably the first time in LV's life that he felt fear or reprisal
over the bad things he had done. A major reason, IMO, why LV feared DD
for the rest of his life. At least as much so, if not more, than for
DD's power and magical ability.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239874 ] Di, 28 März 2006 16:31
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <qK4Wf.63733$dW3.54691 [at] newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Kish
<Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>John VanSickle wrote:
>> So, what religious beliefs are held by the wizard formerly known as Tom
>> Riddle Jr.?
>>
>> As I see it, the following are plausible:
>>
>> 1. Possibility one is that Voldemort does not accept the existence of
>> an afterlife. There is no world except for the one that the eyes can
>> see. Consequently, Voldemort sees death as the cosmic Game Over With No
>> Continue.
>>
>> This explains why he is, as Tolkien put it, "besotted by the fear of
>> death." To become the greatest and most powerful wizard, and then to
>> pass on and cease, is probably more than his prideful mind can bear.
>>
>> 2. Possibility two is that Voldemort believes in an afterlife, but
>> fears it because he cannot be sure that his supremacy in this life will
>> continue in the next. It has been pointed out to us that he fears being
>> ordinary; the proud often are.
>
>One you left out is the one I'd pick:
>
>Possibility three, Voldemort doesn't know what awaits beyond death.
>Death terrifies him because it is unknown, and by contrast to
>Dumbledore, who called it "the last great adventure," Voldemort doesn't
>deal well with the idea of something he can't even learn about, much
>less control.

I agree. LV is basically a very conservative coward. If he doesn't think
the odds might be in his favor, he's not going there. He has already had a
close shave in Godric's Hollow. He knows about ghosts, inferi and
portraits. He doesn't want any of that. He's running scared.

As for 1 and 2, LV is in the same dilemma as Muggles. Nobody knows what is
behind the veil. For LV, *faith* is simply that.what he expects from his
DE's. He never really defines it.
--
Chris
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239878 ] Di, 28 März 2006 17:01
aaron  
JoeMo wrote:
> There's an interesting (albeit overly simplistic) theory that the roles
> our parents (or family) play in our lives shape the way we view God and
> the afterlife.
>
> The idea is that children with strong parental figures in their lives
> are more likely to believe in God, and that children who grow up
> without any strong parental figures tend to be more agnostic or
> atheist.
>
> Obviously this is a huge overgeneralization,

Obviously. I have two strong parental figures, as you put it, and my
father is actually a minister in training as well. However, I think
religion is for idiots and overlords.

I mean no offense to you religious idiots and/or overlords. It's just
how I feel.

Certainly, I mean no offense to agnostic or atheist idiots and/or
overlords...you're ok in my book!

;)

-Aaron
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239908 ] Di, 28 März 2006 22:17
Nicolas Ramage  
"Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote:

> However, I think religion is for idiots and overlords....

That's nice. You willingly step on somebodys shoes and just say "well,
if it hurts you: no offense!" -

perhaps you might consider that one - but as you said: no offense.

Nic.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239910 ] Di, 28 März 2006 22:31
drusilla  
Nicolas Ramage escribió:
> "Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote:
>
>> However, I think religion is for idiots and overlords....

I am catholic. Come and call me idiot on my face.
I might believe something than you don't, whatever is the reason but I
don't go around insulting people for that. Who is the idiot?
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239936 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 04:58
Nick Xylas  
drusilla wrote:
> I am catholic. Come and call me idiot on my face.

Maybe he was calling you an overlord.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #239937 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 05:03
JoeMo  
Aaron wrote:
> JoeMo wrote:
> > There's an interesting (albeit overly simplistic) theory that the roles
> > our parents (or family) play in our lives shape the way we view God and
> > the afterlife.
> >
> > The idea is that children with strong parental figures in their lives
> > are more likely to believe in God, and that children who grow up
> > without any strong parental figures tend to be more agnostic or
> > atheist.
> >
> > Obviously this is a huge overgeneralization,
>
> Obviously. I have two strong parental figures, as you put it, and my
> father is actually a minister in training as well.

I tend to think of it in terms of "right and wrong" rather than belief
or disbelief in a given religion. It's ridiculous to say orphans and
ONLY orphans are atheist, while ALL kids with parents keep the same
religion their parents have. I'm talking about a kind of innate sense
of what's right and wrong. As a child develops, we all mirror the
morals of the people who are signifigant to us... for most kids this is
their parents. Then, when we grow up, we have to either accept or
reject some, or all of those moral ideas. So it's no surprise that
loads of kids with parents turn out Atheist, and loads of orphans
probably believe in God (I don't have any actual statistics handy...
;))

The point is that someone like Tom Riddle, who aside from an overworked
social worker or two and the other children in the orphanage, never had
someone to learn any kind of morality *from* early in his life. No one
to love him and help him experience some empathy with another human
being. He just ended up creating his own "moral code" (and by moral
code I mean a lack of one) to do whatever he wanted and whatever he
could get away with.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243647 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 07:56
marli_0000  
It's been a while since I read HBP, but wasn't there some mention of
Tom being a "very strange baby"? As an infant, he was probably never
held (or never tolerated being held) and whatever caregivers there may
have been in the orphanage were likely either put off by his
unresponsiveness or afraid of him. No human bonds were ever formed.
Muggles raised like that are very often sociopathic. And here we've
got a sociopath who's a wizard....

While Harry grew up in an unloving home after his first year, I think
that his being deeply loved by both parents in that first year of his
life is what makes him very different from the young Tom Riddle, who
was never shown any love at all by anyone.

And then add to that the fact that his mother died to protect
him--her final thought and feeling was probably one of love for Harry,
and when she died, that force of love is what protected him--and likely
sustained him in his years with the Dursleys. He knows that although
his parents are dead, they DID love him. And that makes all the
difference.

Dumbledore said that there are worse things than death, and that death
was the next great adventure. He also said that in the DOM, there was
a door that was always kept locked because it contained a great and
terrible force.

What if this is why Voldemort fears death- that the afterlife is
composed of that force?

Marli.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243685 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 17:32
Toon  
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:30:46 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>John VanSickle wrote:
>> So, what religious beliefs are held by the wizard formerly known as Tom
>> Riddle Jr.?
>>
>> As I see it, the following are plausible:
>>
>> 1. Possibility one is that Voldemort does not accept the existence of
>> an afterlife. There is no world except for the one that the eyes can
>> see. Consequently, Voldemort sees death as the cosmic Game Over With No
>> Continue.
>>
>> This explains why he is, as Tolkien put it, "besotted by the fear of
>> death." To become the greatest and most powerful wizard, and then to
>> pass on and cease, is probably more than his prideful mind can bear.
>>
>> 2. Possibility two is that Voldemort believes in an afterlife, but
>> fears it because he cannot be sure that his supremacy in this life will
>> continue in the next. It has been pointed out to us that he fears being
>> ordinary; the proud often are.
>
>One you left out is the one I'd pick:
>
>Possibility three, Voldemort doesn't know what awaits beyond death.
>Death terrifies him because it is unknown, and by contrast to
>Dumbledore, who called it "the last great adventure," Voldemort doesn't
>deal well with the idea of something he can't even learn about, much
>less control.

Isn't that a variation of 2? if he knew he'd still be tops among men,
he wouldn't fear the unknown.

Maybe he fears god, the ultimate wizard.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243686 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 17:39
Toon  
On 28 Mar 2006 05:55:38 -0800, "JoeMo" <josephrmoore [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>Obviously this is a huge overgeneralization, but it's interesting to me
>that we see a degree of this concept at work in Harry and Voldemort.
>Both were orphans, but Harry grew up as a member of *a* family, no
>matter how full of abuse and misery it was. He sill had that 'Godlike'
>figure of authority watching over him, teaching him that there are
>consequences for your actions. Whereas Tom Riddle had no one. When DD
>came to see him in the orphanage and made him give back his trophys, it
>was probably the first time in LV's life that he felt fear or reprisal
>over the bad things he had done. A major reason, IMO, why LV feared DD
>for the rest of his life. At least as much so, if not more, than for
>DD's power and magical ability.


DD also told him basically he can't be an evil bully or he'll lose his
magic. To young Tom, that can be very imposing, seeing this ultra
powerful dude, capable of punishing him, and he's just calmly and
plainly announced the fact that Tom could lose magic if he's an
insensitive jerk.

From that, Tom sought vengeance against all by becoming the ultra
powerful, so nobody can take away his powers. Add to it he learns
wizards generally aren't as powerful as he was sans wand/learning, and
he starts to see himself as better than everybody else. So to know
someone's better still scare shim. be it Dd or god, a being who could
take his life on the slightest whim. So he fears death and losing it
all, being punished by the ultimate in power and authority.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243694 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 20:41
Kish  
Toon wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:30:46 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>>John VanSickle wrote:
>>
>>>So, what religious beliefs are held by the wizard formerly known as Tom
>>>Riddle Jr.?
>>>
>>>As I see it, the following are plausible:
>>>
>>>1. Possibility one is that Voldemort does not accept the existence of
>>>an afterlife. There is no world except for the one that the eyes can
>>>see. Consequently, Voldemort sees death as the cosmic Game Over With No
>>>Continue.
>>>
>>>This explains why he is, as Tolkien put it, "besotted by the fear of
>>>death." To become the greatest and most powerful wizard, and then to
>>>pass on and cease, is probably more than his prideful mind can bear.
>>>
>>>2. Possibility two is that Voldemort believes in an afterlife, but
>>>fears it because he cannot be sure that his supremacy in this life will
>>>continue in the next. It has been pointed out to us that he fears being
>>>ordinary; the proud often are.
>>
>>One you left out is the one I'd pick:
>>
>>Possibility three, Voldemort doesn't know what awaits beyond death.
>>Death terrifies him because it is unknown, and by contrast to
>>Dumbledore, who called it "the last great adventure," Voldemort doesn't
>>deal well with the idea of something he can't even learn about, much
>>less control.
>
>
> Isn't that a variation of 2?

No, because it includes 1 too. Whether what awaits after death is
oblivion, punishment, or just loss of power relative to the others he
interacts with (note that if everyone in the afterlife is equally
powerful, Voldemort, one of the two most powerful wizards in the world,
has lost a great deal in relative terms, and he's much more interested
in being more-powerful-then-you than he is in just being powerful),
Voldemort doesn't want to find out by going there.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243697 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 23:10
aaron  
drusilla wrote:
> Nicolas Ramage escribi=F3:
> > "Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> However, I think religion is for idiots and overlords....
>
> I am catholic.

I am sorry.

> Come and call me idiot on my face.

Oh dear. Must...resist...temptation...to...snip...

nggghhhhhh

> I might believe something than you don't, whatever is the reason but I
> don't go around insulting people for that. Who is the idiot?

Oh, lighten up. I was being coy. You're coming off not so much as an
overlord right now...
=3D)

-Aaron
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243698 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 23:19
Kish  
Aaron wrote:
> drusilla wrote:
>
>>Nicolas Ramage escribió:
>>
>>>"Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>However, I think religion is for idiots and overlords....
>>
>>I am catholic.
>
>
> I am sorry.
>
>
>>Come and call me idiot on my face.
>
>
> Oh dear. Must...resist...temptation...to...snip...
>
> nggghhhhhh
>
>
>>I might believe something than you don't, whatever is the reason but I
>>don't go around insulting people for that. Who is the idiot?
>
>
> Oh, lighten up. I was being coy. You're coming off not so much as an
> overlord right now...

You were being rude. You still are. You're giving us atheists a bad name.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243700 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 23:28
drusilla  
Aaron escribió:
> drusilla wrote:
>> Nicolas Ramage escribió:
>>> "Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, I think religion is for idiots and overlords....
>> I am catholic.
>
> I am sorry.
>
>> Come and call me idiot on my face.
>
> Oh dear. Must...resist...temptation...to...snip...
>
> nggghhhhhh
>
>> I might believe something than you don't, whatever is the reason but I
>> don't go around insulting people for that. Who is the idiot?
>
> Oh, lighten up. I was being coy. You're coming off not so much as an
> overlord right now...
> =)
>
> -Aaron

I, well, whatever... I think I've had too much of this argument already
in afh-p, at least. I swear I'll start ignoring them and keep myself
on-topic.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243701 ] Mi, 29 März 2006 23:29
drusilla  
Kish escribió:
> Aaron wrote:
>> drusilla wrote:
>>
>>> Nicolas Ramage escribió:
>>>
>>>> "Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> However, I think religion is for idiots and overlords....
>>>
>>> I am catholic.
>>
>>
>> I am sorry.
>>
>>
>>> Come and call me idiot on my face.
>>
>>
>> Oh dear. Must...resist...temptation...to...snip...
>>
>> nggghhhhhh
>>
>>
>>> I might believe something than you don't, whatever is the reason but I
>>> don't go around insulting people for that. Who is the idiot?
>>
>>
>> Oh, lighten up. I was being coy. You're coming off not so much as an
>> overlord right now...
>
> You were being rude. You still are. You're giving us atheists a bad name.

Indeed. You make it look as all atheist hate us, who have a religion. I
don't hate atheists at all, quite the opposite.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243733 ] Do, 30 März 2006 11:54
Toon  
On 28 Mar 2006 21:56:25 -0800, "marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com"
<marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>It's been a while since I read HBP, but wasn't there some mention of
>Tom being a "very strange baby"? As an infant, he was probably never
>held (or never tolerated being held) and whatever caregivers there may
>have been in the orphanage were likely either put off by his
>unresponsiveness or afraid of him. No human bonds were ever formed.
>Muggles raised like that are very often sociopathic. And here we've
>got a sociopath who's a wizard....
>
>While Harry grew up in an unloving home after his first year, I think
>that his being deeply loved by both parents in that first year of his
>life is what makes him very different from the young Tom Riddle, who
>was never shown any love at all by anyone.
>
> And then add to that the fact that his mother died to protect
>him--her final thought and feeling was probably one of love for Harry,
>and when she died, that force of love is what protected him--and likely
>sustained him in his years with the Dursleys. He knows that although
>his parents are dead, they DID love him. And that makes all the
>difference.
>
>Dumbledore said that there are worse things than death, and that death
>was the next great adventure. He also said that in the DOM, there was
>a door that was always kept locked because it contained a great and
>terrible force.
>
>What if this is why Voldemort fears death- that the afterlife is
>composed of that force?
>
>Marli.

Sure, if you go to heaven.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243736 ] Do, 30 März 2006 14:57
aaron  
Nick Xylas wrote:
> drusilla wrote:
> > I am catholic. Come on my face. [1]
>
> Maybe he was calling you an overlord.

LOL

With an invitation like that? =)

It's true, I didn't narrow down the choices further, leaving that
option open.

-Aaron

[1] Yes, I couldn't resist after all. Sorry, drusilla, I know English
isn't your primary language, and I really don't mean any offense by my
snippage. I'm just a perverted, simple, simple man.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243740 ] Do, 30 März 2006 16:50
aaron  
Kish wrote:
> Aaron wrote:
> > drusilla wrote:
> >
> >>Nicolas Ramage escribi=F3:
> >>
> >>>"Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>However, I think religion is for idiots and overlords....
> >>
> >>I am catholic.
> >
> >
> > I am sorry.
> >
> >
> >>Come and call me idiot on my face.
> >
> >
> > Oh dear. Must...resist...temptation...to...snip...
> >
> > nggghhhhhh
> >
> >
> >>I might believe something than you don't, whatever is the reason but I
> >>don't go around insulting people for that. Who is the idiot?
> >
> >
> > Oh, lighten up. I was being coy. You're coming off not so much as an
> > overlord right now...
>
> You were being rude. You still are. You're giving us atheists a bad nam=
e=2E

LOL

I'm agnostic. It's nice to know I can have such an impact on you
atheists, though. Perhaps I'm an overlord as well...

-Aaron
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243771 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 07:16
marli_0000  
But what if that force just exists--and heaven or hell is the
acceptance or rejection of that force? Kind of like being trapped in
front of a Mirror of Erised. eternally confronted with the thing you
most want and eternally aware that you can never have it....

"Riddle? Thomas M.? Yes, sir. Eternal glory and immortality are
indeed on the other side of the door. But the admission price is
7/7ths of a soul. Hmmm, let me see.

No, sir, our records show that you seem to be a bit short on the
admission fee. 6/7ths short, to be exact.. So I'm afraid you can't
enter. Now, if you'll just step into our waiting room, you can have a
closed-circuit view of what's going on there...Forever.

Marli.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243787 ] Fr, 31 März 2006 13:33
Thomas Madura  
marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com wrote:

> But what if that force just exists--and heaven or hell is the
> acceptance or rejection of that force? Kind of like being trapped in
> front of a Mirror of Erised. eternally confronted with the thing you
> most want and eternally aware that you can never have it....
>
> "Riddle? Thomas M.? Yes, sir. Eternal glory and immortality are
> indeed on the other side of the door. But the admission price is
> 7/7ths of a soul. Hmmm, let me see.
>
> No, sir, our records show that you seem to be a bit short on the
> admission fee. 6/7ths short, to be exact.. So I'm afraid you can't
> enter. Now, if you'll just step into our waiting room, you can have a
> closed-circuit view of what's going on there...Forever.
>
> Marli.
>

Sorry - You do not read my posts.

I have never said I do not believe in GOD - I have always said I do not
believe in Religion. Religion has been the cause of more heartache,
death, fear, war, poverty, an injustice than any despot has managed to
inflict upon the earth. THe people of the mid-east have been at each
others - killing and injuring - for THOUSANDS of years - and for what -
all in the name of Religion? It is religion that forced the inquisition
- where poeple were killed becasue they BELIEVED the earth was round -
or it revolved around the sun. It is religion that judges people when
GOD never gave them that authority. Today - thousands of elderly people
will choose to give to their religions rather than eat or get the
medicine they need to live - simply because if they don't they will no
longer be members of their religion. (Yes - I even KNOW a few of them)

I have stated this before and I will do so again

If GOD exists - and you are good - you don't need a religion to be with GOD.

If GOD exists - and you are BAD - there is NOTHING a religion can do for
you.


Having said that - judge yourself. GOD never gave you the authority to
judge anyone else.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243847 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 07:29
marli_0000  
Umm.. I guess I didn't read your post. Sorry! No offense meant!

Part of my earlier post was my snarky attempt to postulate what would
happen to Voldemort should he arrive at the "pearly gates."

Actually, my spiritual beliefs are very similar to yours. I don't
observe any religion either. I may not agree with what other people
believe, but if it works for them and gives them comfort, that's great.
I certainly do my best to be respectful and non-judgmental.

Marli.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #243863 ] Sa, 01 April 2006 11:22
Toon  
On 31 Mar 2006 21:29:31 -0800, "marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com"
<marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>Part of my earlier post was my snarky attempt to postulate what would
>happen to Voldemort should he arrive at the "pearly gates."

He's told why he's a major bunshole, then is dropped down a trap door
to Heck. Maybe he's gong ed first.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #244073 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 17:03
aaron  
Thom Madura wrote:
> Having said that - judge yourself. GOD never gave you the authority to
> judge anyone else.

But why do I need something no more real than the Easter Bunny to give
me the authority to judge others?

-Aaron
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #245434 ] Di, 04 April 2006 21:11
Mark Eggert  
I was thinking that Voldemort probably doesn't have "religious"
thoughts, but then I remembered what I'd read about Napolean. He felt
that he was an instrument of Fate and that his rise to power was meant
to be. He also said that when Fate was done with him she would "crush
him like a glass" or something like that.
In GOF Voldemort says something like "see how fortune favors Voldemort"
in the graveyard scene, so Napoleon's philosophy could suggest how that
might work.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #245499 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 15:24
Toon  
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:11:44 -0700, Mark Eggert <m.eggert [at] verizon.net>
wrote:

>I was thinking that Voldemort probably doesn't have "religious"
>thoughts, but then I remembered what I'd read about Napolean. He felt
>that he was an instrument of Fate and that his rise to power was meant
>to be. He also said that when Fate was done with him she would "crush
>him like a glass" or something like that.
>In GOF Voldemort says something like "see how fortune favors Voldemort"
>in the graveyard scene, so Napoleon's philosophy could suggest how that
>might work.

Fortune sure kicked his butt against a baby.
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #245753 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 23:01
John VanSickle  
Aaron wrote:

> Thom Madura wrote:
>
>>Having said that - judge yourself. GOD never gave you the authority to
>>judge anyone else.
>
> But why do I need something no more real than the Easter Bunny to give
> me the authority to judge others?

You've proven that there is no God? Interesting.

Regards,
John
Re: Voldemort's Religious Beliefs [message #245755 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 23:12
Steven Sousa  
John VanSickle wrote:

> Aaron wrote:
>
>> Thom Madura wrote:
>>
>>> Having said that - judge yourself. GOD never gave you the authority to
>>> judge anyone else.
>>
>>
>> But why do I need something no more real than the Easter Bunny to give
>> me the authority to judge others?
>
>
> You've proven that there is no God? Interesting.

You've proven that there's no Easter Bunny? Interesting.
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