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Ollivander... [message #239472]

Sa, 25 März 2006 00:08

Stephanie Adams

I have only read each book once, so forgive me if I have missed something.
In Book 1, Ollivander said that "the wand picks the wizard". Yet, it seemed
to me, that HE was doing the picking, as he took each wand from Harry and
then decided to give him the one like Lord Voldemort's.

Also, if the wand picks the wizard, when Harry first met Ron, didn't Ron
have a hand me down wand? As I recall it was all torn up and had unicorn
hair sticking out of it...
I thought that perhaps there is something to Ollivander,and him picking the
wand himself.
I also recall reading something about him possibly being Dumbledore's
brother, but I don't see how that figures into it all either.

Let me know what all I am wrong on.
Thanks,
Steph

Re: Ollivander... [message #239477 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 00:19

Fish Eye no Miko

Re: Ollivander... [message #239478 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 00:20

Lady Grey

Stephanie Adams wrote:
> I have only read each book once, so forgive me if I have missed something.
> In Book 1, Ollivander said that "the wand picks the wizard". Yet, it seemed
> to me, that HE was doing the picking, as he took each wand from Harry and
> then decided to give him the one like Lord Voldemort's.

I got the impression that as an experienced wand maker, Ollivander has
an instinct (helped by the measurements he took) which allows him to
guess what sort of wand might pick a particular wizard. However after
a long time of wands not picking harry, Ollivander just thought to try
the other one with Fawkes' feather in it. The brother wand of LV's
choose harry because, as the Sorting Hat detected, harry has many
LV-like characteristics.

> Also, if the wand picks the wizard, when Harry first met Ron, didn't Ron
> have a hand me down wand? As I recall it was all torn up and had unicorn
> hair sticking out of it...

Yes, that's why Ron's magic wouldn't have been as good as it could have
been had he been given a wand which picked him.

> I thought that perhaps there is something to Ollivander,and him picking the
> wand himself.

if that were the case how do you think Ollivander controls the wands in
order to get just the one he picks to react to harry taking hold of the
wand?

> I also recall reading something about him possibly being Dumbledore's
> brother, but I don't see how that figures into it all either.

neither do I.

> Let me know what all I am wrong on.

Your suggestion that Ollivander picks the wand contradicts the books
(Ollivander says that the wand picks the wizard) as well as JKR in
interview, who has talked about this explicitly saying that the wand
picks the wizard.

--
Jane Grey

Re: Ollivander... [message #239489 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 00:42

Ken

Stephanie Adams wrote:
> I have only read each book once, so forgive me if I have missed
> something. In Book 1, Ollivander said that "the wand picks the
> wizard". Yet, it seemed to me, that HE was doing the picking, as he
> took each wand from Harry and then decided to give him the one like
> Lord Voldemort's.
> Also, if the wand picks the wizard, when Harry first met Ron, didn't
> Ron have a hand me down wand? As I recall it was all torn up and had
> unicorn hair sticking out of it...
> I thought that perhaps there is something to Ollivander,and him
> picking the wand himself.
> I also recall reading something about him possibly being Dumbledore's
> brother, but I don't see how that figures into it all either.
>
> Let me know what all I am wrong on.
> Thanks,
> Steph

"the wand picks the wizard" seems to be true...

Harry took the wand. He felt a sudden warmth in his fingers. He raised the
wand above his head, brought it swishing down through the dusty air and a
stream of red and gold sparks shot from the end like a firework, throwing
dancing spots of light on to the walls. Hagrid whooped and clapped and Mr.
Ollivander cried, Oh, bravo! Yes, indeed, oh, very good. Well, well, well.
how curious. how very curious.He put Harry's wand back into its box and
wrapped it in brown paper, still muttering, Curious. curious.
Sorry, said Harry, but what's curious? Mr. Ollivander fixed Harry with his
pale stare.
I remember every wand I've ever sold, Mr. Potter. Every single wand. It so
happens that the phoenix whose tail feather is in your wand, gave another
feather - just one other. It is very curious indeed that you should be
destined for this wand when its brother - why, its brother gave you that
scar.
Harry swallowed. Yes, thirteen-and-a-half inches. Yew. Curious indeed how
these things happen. The wand chooses the wizard, remember.

Harry tried many wand with no effects. Without Harry or Olivander doing
anything different it was obvious to all 3 that this wand choose Harry.
______

While it seems that any wizard can use any wand; all wands are not created
equal.

Olivander makes the best wand [at least in England]. Harry has enough money
to get the best. Ron doesn't have enough money to get the best, it wouldn't
surprise me that Ron would have a hand me down Olivander wand.
______

as for as Dumbledore's brother... I think it's the bar guy at the Hogheads
or something like that where people think he might be DD brother.

Ken

Re: Ollivander... [message #239499 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 02:38

drusilla

Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> Stephanie Adams wrote:

>> Also, if the wand picks the wizard, when Harry first met Ron,
>> didn't Ron have a hand me down wand?
>
> The Weasleys are poor. Though I so wonder: If they gave Ron Charlie's old
> wand what did Charlie do? Did they get him a new one? Why not just spend
> that money to get RON a new wand?

It might be that Charlie needed a new one when Ron was too young and
they kept it because it was a valuable thing. Then, when Ron needed the
wand, they had it already.

It's also possible that Charlie's wand was also a hand me down wand, and
once he got money, he wanted to buy a new one.

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Re: Ollivander... [message #239507 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 04:02

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Re: Ollivander... [message #239510 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 05:20

pinkrose_blossom99

Well, when Ollivander chose the wands, he probably chose ones that he
thought would work better for the certain person since he probably made
the wands himself. if that doesn't make sense, sorry. and i don't think
him or dumbledore are brothers at all. i've read all the books twice,
and i haven't ran into that info. And i also don't remember about ron.

Stephanie Adams wrote:
> I have only read each book once, so forgive me if I have missed something.
> In Book 1, Ollivander said that "the wand picks the wizard". Yet, it seemed
> to me, that HE was doing the picking, as he took each wand from Harry and
> then decided to give him the one like Lord Voldemort's.
>
> Also, if the wand picks the wizard, when Harry first met Ron, didn't Ron
> have a hand me down wand? As I recall it was all torn up and had unicorn
> hair sticking out of it...
> I thought that perhaps there is something to Ollivander,and him picking the
> wand himself.
> I also recall reading something about him possibly being Dumbledore's
> brother, but I don't see how that figures into it all either.
>
> Let me know what all I am wrong on.
> Thanks,
> Steph

Re: Ollivander... [message #239514 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 05:39

Steve Morrison

Here in Minnesota wrote:

> as for as Dumbledore's brother... I think it's the bar guy at the Hogheads
> or something like that where people think he might be DD brother.

Yes, and it's actually canon - Jo confirmed it in this interview:

http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0804-ebf.htm

Re: Ollivander... [message #239542 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 12:38

Lady Grey

Steve Morrison wrote:
> Here in Minnesota wrote:
>
> > as for as Dumbledore's brother... I think it's the bar guy at the Hogheads
> > or something like that where people think he might be DD brother.
>
> Yes, and it's actually canon - Jo confirmed it in this interview:
>
> http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0804-ebf.htm

-----
Why is the barman of the Hog's Head vaguely familiar to Harry? Is he
Dumbledore's brother?

Ooh-you are getting good. Why do you think that it is Aberforth?
[Audience member: Various clues. He smells of goats and he looks a bit
like Dumbledore]. I was quite proud of that clue. That is all that I am
going to say. [Laughter]. Well yes, obviously. I like the goat clue-I
sniggered to myself about that one.
----

I don't know why she's proud of that clue. I thought the goat clue was
one of her less subtle and less clever clue. it was rather obvious
really wasn't it?

--
Jane Grey

Re: Ollivander... [message #239546 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 13:56

John VanSickle

Fish Eye no Miko wrote:

> The Weasleys are poor. Though I so wonder: If they gave Ron Charlie's old
> wand what did Charlie do? Did they get him a new one? Why not just spend
> that money to get RON a new wand?

Charlie's old wand may have been a hand-me-down as well, and at the time
it may have been Charlie's turn to get a present, so he gets a new wand.

>>I also recall reading something about him possibly being
>>Dumbledore's brother,
>
> No.

Well, if they both convert to Islam, they'll be brothers. Rather late
for Dumbledore, though...

Regards,
John

Re: Ollivander... [message #239558 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 14:32

Toon

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:08:30 GMT, "Stephanie Adams"
<stephaniedawnadams [at] msn.com> wrote:

>I have only read each book once, so forgive me if I have missed something.
>In Book 1, Ollivander said that "the wand picks the wizard". Yet, it seemed
>to me, that HE was doing the picking, as he took each wand from Harry and
>then decided to give him the one like Lord Voldemort's.

The wands were picking. He merely noted which one picked Harry. The
other's rejected him. Think of Ollivander as a wand translator. But
they speak in actions, not words.

Re: Ollivander... [message #239619 ]

So, 26 März 2006 05:13

Kish

Jane Grey wrote:

> -----
> Why is the barman of the Hog's Head vaguely familiar to Harry? Is he
> Dumbledore's brother?
>
> Ooh-you are getting good. Why do you think that it is Aberforth?
> [Audience member: Various clues. He smells of goats and he looks a bit
> like Dumbledore]. I was quite proud of that clue. That is all that I am
> going to say. [Laughter]. Well yes, obviously. I like the goat clue-I
> sniggered to myself about that one.
> ----
>
> I don't know why she's proud of that clue. I thought the goat clue was
> one of her less subtle and less clever clue. it was rather obvious
> really wasn't it?

That all depends on what you consider a clue. That is, it clearly /was/
actually a clue. The clues people perceived that Snape was a vampire or
that Harry was the Heir of Gryffindor, on the other hand, went past
"subtle" into "not really there." What would you consider to be a more
subtle clue to something which has been proven in the books? (You know
what I'm thinking of; clues that Harry is a Horcrux or that Snape had
positive feelings for Lily might count after Book 7 is released, but not
now.)

Re: Ollivander... [message #239638 ]

So, 26 März 2006 10:59

Toon

On 25 Mar 2006 03:38:47 -0800, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>Steve Morrison wrote:
>> Here in Minnesota wrote:
>>
>> > as for as Dumbledore's brother... I think it's the bar guy at the Hogheads
>> > or something like that where people think he might be DD brother.
>>
>> Yes, and it's actually canon - Jo confirmed it in this interview:
>>
>> http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0804-ebf.htm
>
>-----
>Why is the barman of the Hog's Head vaguely familiar to Harry? Is he
>Dumbledore's brother?
>
>Ooh-you are getting good. Why do you think that it is Aberforth?
>[Audience member: Various clues. He smells of goats and he looks a bit
>like Dumbledore]. I was quite proud of that clue. That is all that I am
>going to say. [Laughter]. Well yes, obviously. I like the goat clue-I
>sniggered to myself about that one.
>----
>
>I don't know why she's proud of that clue. I thought the goat clue was
>one of her less subtle and less clever clue. it was rather obvious
>really wasn't it?

Or a red herring. And why does he smell of goat? what has he been
doing Charmwise to them?

Re: Ollivander... [message #239656 ]

So, 26 März 2006 14:26

Magic_mom

Toon wrote:

> >I don't know why she's proud of that clue. I thought the goat clue was
> >one of her less subtle and less clever clue. it was rather obvious
> >really wasn't it?
>
> Or a red herring. And why does he smell of goat? what has he been
> doing Charmwise to them?

LOL we had about a week long *discussion* here on that not so long ago.
It went from bad to worse, lol.

M_m

Re: Ollivander... [message #239740 ]

Mo, 27 März 2006 05:06

Brent Braten

"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
news:ttlc225u40bojv5bbaus14roc6qalnis13 [at] 4ax.com...
> On 25 Mar 2006 03:38:47 -0800, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Steve Morrison wrote:
> >> Here in Minnesota wrote:
> >>
> >> > as for as Dumbledore's brother... I think it's the bar guy at the
Hogheads
> >> > or something like that where people think he might be DD brother.
> >>
> >> Yes, and it's actually canon - Jo confirmed it in this interview:
> >>
> >> http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0804-ebf.htm
> >
> >-----
> >Why is the barman of the Hog's Head vaguely familiar to Harry? Is he
> >Dumbledore's brother?
> >
> >Ooh-you are getting good. Why do you think that it is Aberforth?
> >[Audience member: Various clues. He smells of goats and he looks a bit
> >like Dumbledore]. I was quite proud of that clue. That is all that I am
> >going to say. [Laughter]. Well yes, obviously. I like the goat clue-I
> >sniggered to myself about that one.
> >----
> >
> >I don't know why she's proud of that clue. I thought the goat clue was
> >one of her less subtle and less clever clue. it was rather obvious
> >really wasn't it?
>
> Or a red herring. And why does he smell of goat? what has he been
> doing Charmwise to them?

LOL! Er, I really don't think you want an answer to that question.

Re: Ollivander... [message #239741 ]

Mo, 27 März 2006 05:25

drusilla

Brent Braten escribió:
> "Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
>> Or a red herring. And why does he smell of goat? what has he been
>> doing Charmwise to them?
>
> LOL! Er, I really don't think you want an answer to that question.
>
>
He he... I wonder if Jo will ever give us an explanation :)

Re: Ollivander... [message #239756 ]

Mo, 27 März 2006 07:26

dicconf

In article <e07luh$ng8$2 [at] emma.aioe.org>, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Brent Braten escribió:
>> "Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
>>> Or a red herring. And why does he smell of goat? what has he been
>>> doing Charmwise to them?
>>
>> LOL! Er, I really don't think you want an answer to that question.

>He he... I wonder if Jo will ever give us an explanation :)

I think Aberforth has been trying to speed up the production of bezoars
(which accumulate in goats' stomachs). They should be quite valuable,
especially when there are Dark wizards who will use poison. Somebody
had access to quite a supply of them, since there was a box full of
them in the supply closet.

He may even have been trying to breed a goat that would produce a
super-bezoar that would be good against all poisons instead of just
"most" poisons.

=Tamar

Re: Ollivander... [message #239760 ]

Mo, 27 März 2006 08:16

chappy

Richard Eney wrote:
Snip.
>
> He may even have been trying to breed a goat ...
>
> =Tamar

I don't think Jo writes books with that subject matter.

Re: Ollivander... [message #239762 ]

Mo, 27 März 2006 08:27

dicconf

In article <1143440178.797224.65250 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
chappy <chappy2235 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Richard Eney wrote:
>Snip.
>>
>> He may even have been trying to breed a goat ...
>>
>> =Tamar
>
>I don't think Jo writes books with that subject matter.
>

I didn't say "breed with" a goat.

=Tamar

Re: Ollivander... [message #239779 ]

Mo, 27 März 2006 14:56

cwlNOSPAM

In article <122etrtph6rcidb [at] corp.supernews.com>, dicconf [at] radix.net
(Richard Eney) wrote:

>In article <e07luh$ng8$2 [at] emma.aioe.org>, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>>Brent Braten escribió:
>>> "Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
>>>> Or a red herring. And why does he smell of goat? what has he been
>>>> doing Charmwise to them?
>>>
>>> LOL! Er, I really don't think you want an answer to that question.
>
>>He he... I wonder if Jo will ever give us an explanation :)
>
>I think Aberforth has been trying to speed up the production of bezoars
>(which accumulate in goats' stomachs). They should be quite valuable,
>especially when there are Dark wizards who will use poison. Somebody
>had access to quite a supply of them, since there was a box full of
>them in the supply closet.
>
>He may even have been trying to breed a goat that would produce a
>super-bezoar that would be good against all poisons instead of just
>"most" poisons.

There is also the theory that JKR is a fan of Marc Chagall who often has
goats *hanging around* in the sky.
--
Chris

Re: Ollivander... [message #239809 ]

Mo, 27 März 2006 20:34

wizardofsnog

OrionCA <OrionCA [at] earthlink.net> wrote in
news:tdc922tjr2tu9ll2ccfcahlncc6udb6jfj [at] 4ax.com:

> Never fly on an airline whose
> pilots believe in reincarnation.

LMAO! Good one.. I can see it now.

"welcome to wicca airlines, heres your broom, enjoy your flight". HAHAHA

Re: Ollivander... [message #239818 ]

Mo, 27 März 2006 21:25

Philip Lewis

drusilla <me [at] me.net> writes:
>Brent Braten escribi=F3:
>> "Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
>>> And why does he smell of goat?=20=20
>> LOL! Er, I really don't think you want an answer to that question.
>He he... I wonder if Jo will ever give us an explanation :)

It is obvious to those of use with *pure* *clean* minds, he is just
*another* unregistered animangus... (I often wonder just how hard it
really is.)

Sheesh... you people and your dirty little thoughts... save it for the
fanfics. (and then send me the link. ;)

--=20
May no harm befall you,
flip
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Re: Ollivander... [message #239861 ]

Di, 28 März 2006 13:58

Eric Bohlman

"Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote in
news:1143375974.242287.129640 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

>
> Toon wrote:
>
>
>> >I don't know why she's proud of that clue. I thought the goat clue
>> >was one of her less subtle and less clever clue. it was rather
>> >obvious really wasn't it?
>>
>> Or a red herring. And why does he smell of goat? what has he been
>> doing Charmwise to them?
>
> LOL we had about a week long *discussion* here on that not so long
> ago. It went from bad to worse, lol.

She was actually asked what Aberforth was doing with the goats, and her
answer was "your guess is as good as mine." I think she wants the
Hogwarts students to have a vague notion that he was involved in
something nasty/naughty, but not much more than that. Which is a rather
common schoolkid notion, contributing to the richness of school life.
It's the sort of thing where explicit details actually detract from the
plot.

Back in high school, we had a few teachers who resigned for mysterious
reasons. Part of growing up what speculating on why. I suspect the
actual reasons never achieved the level of salacity that we came up
with.

Re: Ollivander... [message #239864 ]

Di, 28 März 2006 15:09

Toon

On 27 Mar 2006 14:25:42 -0500, Philip Lewis
<flip+spiced_ham [at] andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

>drusilla <me [at] me.net> writes:
>>Brent Braten escribió:
>>> "Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
>>>> And why does he smell of goat?
>>> LOL! Er, I really don't think you want an answer to that question.
>>He he... I wonder if Jo will ever give us an explanation :)
>
>It is obvious to those of use with *pure* *clean* minds, he is just
>*another* unregistered animangus... (I often wonder just how hard it
>really is.)
>
>Sheesh... you people and your dirty little thoughts... save it for the
>fanfics. (and then send me the link. ;)

So he became one to look all legal and normal with one.

Re: Ollivander... [message #243661 ]

Mi, 29 März 2006 11:48

Toon

On 28 Mar 2006 11:58:08 GMT, Eric Bohlman <ebohlman [at] omsdev.com> wrote:

>She was actually asked what Aberforth was doing with the goats, and her
>answer was "your guess is as good as mine."

she then laughed evilly, as if to say, I'm not telling." or was
funning us all. Was this a Mark Evans event, or not?

Re: Ollivander... [message #243777 ]

Fr, 31 März 2006 07:43

The Magic Engineer

"Richard Eney" <dicconf [at] radix.net> wrote in message
news:122f1f1blha3i7d [at] corp.supernews.com...
> In article <1143440178.797224.65250 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> chappy <chappy2235 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Richard Eney wrote:
>>Snip.
>>>
>>> He may even have been trying to breed a goat ...
>>>
>>> =Tamar
>>
>>I don't think Jo writes books with that subject matter.
>>
>
> I didn't say "breed with" a goat.
>
> =Tamar

Maybe Aberforth is a Chicago White Sox fan, and he's trying to
get the Cubs to continue on the longest streak-of-not-getting-to-a
championship-series-in-history?

Hey! Doesn't Dumbledore like socks? They're BOTH White Sox
fans! Heheheh..

TME

Re: Ollivander... [message #247693 ]

Fr, 14 April 2006 16:10

Mark Evans

Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2006 11:58:08 GMT, Eric Bohlman <ebohlman [at] omsdev.com> wrote:
>
>>She was actually asked what Aberforth was doing with the goats, and her
>>answer was "your guess is as good as mine."
>
> she then laughed evilly, as if to say, I'm not telling." or was
> funning us all. Was this a Mark Evans event, or not?

I have no idea what Aberforth might have been up to
either :)

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