| Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239126] |
Di, 21 März 2006 23:10 |
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Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
of many of his family members? Now that he knows DD and Harry were
telling the truth, he can't forgive himself for being wrong. Despite
this, he's still gullible due to his ambition for prestige. Even with
the aurors working at full throttle, it's possible that there are
still a few covert DEs working for the ministry. I can just see Percy
giving away a secret or disobeying an order from one of the members of
OotP which would directly result in that DE finding his family and
murdring them, thinking that flaunting such an order would gain him
more esteem or power.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239179 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 06:14 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
> of many of his family members? Now that he knows DD and Harry were
> telling the truth, he can't forgive himself for being wrong. Despite
> this, he's still gullible due to his ambition for prestige. Even with
> the aurors working at full throttle, it's possible that there are
> still a few covert DEs working for the ministry. I can just see Percy
> giving away a secret or disobeying an order from one of the members of
> OotP which would directly result in that DE finding his family and
> murdring them, thinking that flaunting such an order would gain him
> more esteem or power.
There are many of us who believe Percy will be the Weasley to die, but
it will happen as he redeems himself within his family somehow, perhaps
dying to save the others.
M_m
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239186 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 06:32 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
> of many of his family members?
Anything is possible. But IMHO, JKR has cleverly distracted you, and
you are worrying overmuch about the wrong Weasley.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239187 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 08:06 |
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nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
> > of many of his family members?
>
> Anything is possible. But IMHO, JKR has cleverly distracted you, and
> you are worrying overmuch about the wrong Weasley.
There's a thought. So which Weasely do you think is the "right" one?
I always wondered whee Ron's loyalties would lay if he had to chose
between betraying his best friend, or his girlfriend. I can imagine
Ron being captured, and Voldemort being the sadist that he is forces
Ron to chose which to die under the threat that he would otherwise kill
both.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239214 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 11:39 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
> of many of his family members?
Not me. I would bet a galleon that Percy comes around to the good guys
shortly before the final confrontation. I've been of this opinion for
several years.
Your question does prompt a thought, however - I would say that if any
Weasly dies it will be Percy. And he will do so in a manner that
redeems him in his mother's eyes - in some manner he will sacrifice
himself for the cause he rejoins.
The fact that you ask your question is to admit that you don't perceive
one of the elemental premises of the series. The Weasley are the
perfect family. To be a Weasly is to be "good". Percy is the
inexplicable exception. He is the "black sheep" of the family. "Black
sheep" are always welcomed home some day, just as "million to one"
chances always come true.
What do they teach in those schools these days?
Dave
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239221 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 12:14 |
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<nystulc [at] cs.com> wrote in message
news:1143005531.986076.105920 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
>> of many of his family members?
>
> Anything is possible. But IMHO, JKR has cleverly distracted you, and
> you are worrying overmuch about the wrong Weasley.
So which one is the right Weasley then? I know one group of alleged fans
who would be pleased to see either Ron or Ginny bite the biscuit, even more
so to see both of them.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239254 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 21:30 |
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In <1143011186.304215.173060 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com writes:
>nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:
>> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> > Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
>> > of many of his family members?
>>
>> Anything is possible. But IMHO, JKR has cleverly distracted you, and
>> you are worrying overmuch about the wrong Weasley.
>There's a thought. So which Weasely do you think is the "right" one?
>I always wondered whee Ron's loyalties would lay if he had to chose
>between betraying his best friend, or his girlfriend. I can imagine
>Ron being captured, and Voldemort being the sadist that he is forces
>Ron to chose which to die under the threat that he would otherwise kill
>both.
Do you really think Voldemort would offer anyone a choice that
close to the one he gave Lily?
--
Remove any bits of tatt after the at in my address to reply
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239263 ] |
Mi, 22 März 2006 23:38 |
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sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
> of many of his family members?
No. I have different Unintentionally Weasley-Cidal culprits in mind.
See my "The Crooked Weasleys" thread from last September for details.
>Now that he knows DD and Harry were
> telling the truth, he can't forgive himself for being wrong. Despite
> this, he's still gullible due to his ambition for prestige.
We have no evidence of this. Percy had precisely two words in all of
book six. What he is thinking is anybody's guess. I get the
impression that he has sobered up a bit.
>Even with
> the aurors working at full throttle, it's possible that there are
> still a few covert DEs working for the ministry. I can just see Percy
> giving away a secret or disobeying an order from one of the members of
> OotP which would directly result in that DE finding his family and
> murdring them, thinking that flaunting such an order would gain him
> more esteem or power.
Percy flaunting an order for personal gain? No. And he takes orders
from Scrimgeour, not the OotP.
Percy betraying the secrets of the OotP? Well, they'd have to actually
TELL him one first, wouldn't they?
There are already a couple of Weasleys who have unintentionally brought
great harm on their family and other good guys, if you think about it.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239287 ] |
Do, 23 März 2006 05:23 |
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Magic_mom wrote:
> There are many of us who believe Percy will be the Weasley to die, but
> it will happen as he redeems himself within his family somehow, perhaps
> dying to save the others.
I cannot think of any good reason why Rowling would want to kill off
Percy. As far as I can tell, the only reason fans are rooting for
Percy to die is because they are concerned about all the tragic
foreboding, and they don't want tragedy to befall any characters they
care about. So they want JKR to feed poor Percy to the wolves so they
can weep crocodile tears for him. But that sort of faux-tragedy would
probably strike me as a bit of a cop-out, and a bit mean-spirited.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239288 ] |
Do, 23 März 2006 05:23 |
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Magic_mom wrote:
> There are many of us who believe Percy will be the Weasley to die, but
> it will happen as he redeems himself within his family somehow, perhaps
> dying to save the others.
I cannot think of any good reason why Rowling would want to kill off
Percy. As far as I can tell, the only reason fans are rooting for
Percy to die is because they are concerned about all the tragic
foreboding, and they don't want tragedy to befall any characters they
care about. So they want JKR to feed poor Percy to the wolves so they
can weep crocodile tears for him. But that sort of faux-tragedy would
probably strike me as a bit of a cop-out, and a bit mean-spirited.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239299 ] |
Do, 23 März 2006 10:06 |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:30:49 GMT, Phil Turner
<phil.turner [at] bltuaeyontdetr.co.uk> wrote:
>In <1143011186.304215.173060 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com writes:
>
>
>>nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:
>>> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>> > Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
>>> > of many of his family members?
>>>
>>> Anything is possible. But IMHO, JKR has cleverly distracted you, and
>>> you are worrying overmuch about the wrong Weasley.
>
>>There's a thought. So which Weasely do you think is the "right" one?
>>I always wondered whee Ron's loyalties would lay if he had to chose
>>between betraying his best friend, or his girlfriend. I can imagine
>>Ron being captured, and Voldemort being the sadist that he is forces
>>Ron to chose which to die under the threat that he would otherwise kill
>>both.
>
>Do you really think Voldemort would offer anyone a choice that
>close to the one he gave Lily?
Sure. What are the chances Ron would make the exact same choice, the
exact same way? he's also cocky now, and convinced it can't possibly
happen again.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239300 ] |
Do, 23 März 2006 10:08 |
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On 22 Mar 2006 02:39:31 -0800, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net>
wrote:
>
>sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
>> of many of his family members?
>
>Not me. I would bet a galleon that Percy comes around to the good guys
>shortly before the final confrontation. I've been of this opinion for
>several years.
>
>Your question does prompt a thought, however - I would say that if any
>Weasly dies it will be Percy. And he will do so in a manner that
>redeems him in his mother's eyes - in some manner he will sacrifice
>himself for the cause he rejoins.
>
>The fact that you ask your question is to admit that you don't perceive
>one of the elemental premises of the series. The Weasley are the
>perfect family. To be a Weasly is to be "good". Percy is the
>inexplicable exception. He is the "black sheep" of the family. "Black
>sheep" are always welcomed home some day, just as "million to one"
>chances always come true.
>
>What do they teach in those schools these days?
>
>Dave
Percy is the Prodigal son. Molly would most certainly welcome him
back with a feast. The twins will torment him, but Arthur will be
forced to accept him from just one glare from wifeypoo.
But will Percy redeem himself? That is the question.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239301 ] |
Do, 23 März 2006 10:09 |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:14:41 +0800, "Deevo"
<mckenzie [at] NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote:
><nystulc [at] cs.com> wrote in message
>news:1143005531.986076.105920 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>> Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
>>> of many of his family members?
>>
>> Anything is possible. But IMHO, JKR has cleverly distracted you, and
>> you are worrying overmuch about the wrong Weasley.
>
>So which one is the right Weasley then? I know one group of alleged fans
>who would be pleased to see either Ron or Ginny bite the biscuit, even more
>so to see both of them.
Bill. he has been infected, after all. and nobody truly knows
what'll happen next.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239309 ] |
Do, 23 März 2006 11:41 |
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<nystulc [at] cs.com> wrote in message
news:1143087799.558945.50640 [at] t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Magic_mom wrote:
>> There are many of us who believe Percy will be the Weasley to die, but
>> it will happen as he redeems himself within his family somehow, perhaps
>> dying to save the others.
>
> I cannot think of any good reason why Rowling would want to kill off
> Percy. As far as I can tell, the only reason fans are rooting for
> Percy to die is because they are concerned about all the tragic
> foreboding, and they don't want tragedy to befall any characters they
> care about. So they want JKR to feed poor Percy to the wolves so they
> can weep crocodile tears for him. But that sort of faux-tragedy would
> probably strike me as a bit of a cop-out, and a bit mean-spirited.
Oh really, I thought it was because he's a prick.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239380 ] |
Fr, 24 März 2006 03:51 |
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Deevo wrote:
> <nystulc [at] cs.com> wrote in message
> news:1143087799.558945.50640 [at] t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > I cannot think of any good reason why Rowling would want to kill off
> > Percy. As far as I can tell, the only reason fans are rooting for
> > Percy to die is because they are concerned about all the tragic
> > foreboding, and they don't want tragedy to befall any characters they
> > care about. So they want JKR to feed poor Percy to the wolves so they
> > can weep crocodile tears for him. But that sort of faux-tragedy would
> > probably strike me as a bit of a cop-out, and a bit mean-spirited.
>
> Oh really, I thought it was because he's a prick.
I am sorry I did not spell that out for you. Please insert the words
"The reason fans don't care for Percy is because he is a prick" between
the second and third sentences in the paragraph quoted above.
The paragraph was addressed to those who want him to die heroically,
thereby redeeming himself. Those who merely want him to die horribly
can ignore everything in the above paragraph except the last four
words.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239412 ] |
Fr, 24 März 2006 11:01 |
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<nystulc [at] cs.com> wrote in message
news:1143168687.205658.116640 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Deevo wrote:
>> <nystulc [at] cs.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143087799.558945.50640 [at] t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > I cannot think of any good reason why Rowling would want to kill off
>> > Percy. As far as I can tell, the only reason fans are rooting for
>> > Percy to die is because they are concerned about all the tragic
>> > foreboding, and they don't want tragedy to befall any characters they
>> > care about. So they want JKR to feed poor Percy to the wolves so they
>> > can weep crocodile tears for him. But that sort of faux-tragedy would
>> > probably strike me as a bit of a cop-out, and a bit mean-spirited.
>>
>> Oh really, I thought it was because he's a prick.
>
> I am sorry I did not spell that out for you. Please insert the words
> "The reason fans don't care for Percy is because he is a prick" between
> the second and third sentences in the paragraph quoted above.
>
> The paragraph was addressed to those who want him to die heroically,
> thereby redeeming himself. Those who merely want him to die horribly
> can ignore everything in the above paragraph except the last four
> words.
My most humble apologies for my patently ill advised attempt at humour my
dear English professor, I shall most certainly be falling on my keyboard in
most penitant remorse.
Oh and I still think Percy's a prick.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239525 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 10:11 |
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Deevo wrote:
> <nystulc [at] cs.com> wrote...
> >> > I cannot think
Nothing new so far...
[Deevo] Oh really, I thought it was because he's a prick.
[nystulc [at] cs.com]> > I am sorry I did not spell that out for you.
Please insert the words
> > "The reason fans don't care for Percy is because he is a prick"
[Deevo] My most humble apologies for my patently ill advised attempt at
humour
Nothing new here either.
I don't seem to have a cat in this fight.
Dave
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239577 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 18:42 |
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Deevo wrote:
> My most humble apologies for my patently ill advised attempt at humour my
> dear English professor, I shall most certainly be falling on my keyboard in
> most penitant remorse.
No need to apologise, my dear fellow. Your joke was excellent. I just
hope my attempt at a rejoinder was not too much of an insult to your
stellar high standards of wit.
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| Re: Percy and the Downfall of the Weasleys [message #239748 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 06:16 |
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In article <1143067092.145681.136300 [at] t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Karnak17 <karnak17 [at] cs.com> wrote:
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>sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> Does anyone else think that Percy will (unintentionally) be the death
>> of many of his family members?
>
>No. I have different Unintentionally Weasley-Cidal culprits in mind.
>See my "The Crooked Weasleys" thread from last September for details.
<snip>
>Percy betraying the secrets of the OotP? Well, they'd have to actually
>TELL him one first, wouldn't they?
>
>There are already a couple of Weasleys who have unintentionally brought
>great harm on their family and other good guys, if you think about it.
Precisely. They have also been shown to be as out of control as the
DE-sympathisers in their own way, and have a history of bullying.
=Tamar
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