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Question about the Pensieve. [message #238963] Di, 21 März 2006 04:52
Froggy  
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Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or not
he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do they
vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could be
extremely useful to Harry.
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(*)(*)
(------)
Froggy
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #238970 ] Di, 21 März 2006 05:23
mag3  
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:52:52 GMT, "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

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>Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or not
>he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do they
>vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could be
>extremely useful to Harry.

One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
conceivably. Otherwise, it would seem to be one of the biggest red herrings
going.

That would also tend to lend credence to the theory that Harry will return to
Hogwarts and use it as a base for his operations. How else would he get
access to either one or both pensieves? Would he have someone like Ron,
Hermione or even Neville relay info to him? I don't know if any of the kids
other than Harry knows they exist or how to use them. Maybe Prof. McG
does.





____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #238973 ] Di, 21 März 2006 05:43
dicconf  
In article <oMKTf.8306$k75.5972 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Froggy <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>Spoiler space.
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>Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or not
>he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do they
>vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could be
>extremely useful to Harry.

Dumbledore showed Harry a memory that was extracted years ago from someone
who is now long dead. Therefore memories can be preserved and used, and
they don't vanish when the person dies _if_ they have been preserved
outside the body. (Riddle preserved a memory in his diary.)

Therefore any memories that are in the Pensieve can be retrieved as well,
but you may have to know which memory you are aiming at. It also seems
that Dumbledore normally only put memories in long enough to observe
them; it wasn't a long-term storage device. We've seen memories kept in
little bottles. So I think that right now the Pensieve is empty, unless
Dumbledore deliberately left some memories there for Harry to find later.
I don't think Snape's third memory is still in it.

When DD showed Harry his memory of Trelawny's first prophecy,
he did not have Harry dive into the Pensieve and actually get to walk
around and see the whole thing - he just had it rise up and play back.
I find that... interesting. Even though Dd probably took that one back
out, if Harry needs it, he may talk Trelawney into letting him see
her original memory of that night so he can walk around and see what
really happened while she was out of it.

=Tamar
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #238976 ] Di, 21 März 2006 06:45
Ken  
Froggy wrote:
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> Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether
> or not he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the
> Pensieve? Do they vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can
> retrieve them, it could be extremely useful to Harry.

DD use other people memories in the pensieve of who were then dead; I would
assume it could also be done with DD memories.

Ken
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239024 ] Di, 21 März 2006 12:45
Gerrit Vicin  
Hi!

mag3 schrieb:
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:52:52 GMT, "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or not
>> he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do they
>> vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could be
>> extremely useful to Harry.
>
> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
> conceivably. Otherwise, it would seem to be one of the biggest red herrings
> going.

I think so too. Just one little thing: As far as I remember there's just
one pensieve at Hogwarts that we know of. That's Dumbledor's which he
lent to Snape for the Occlumency lessons.

> That would also tend to lend credence to the theory that Harry will return to
> Hogwarts and use it as a base for his operations. How else would he get
> access to either one or both pensieves? Would he have someone like Ron,
> Hermione or even Neville relay info to him? I don't know if any of the kids
> other than Harry knows they exist or how to use them. Maybe Prof. McG
> does.

I also think that the pensieve will be of great help to Harry. Maybe
there is even a storage of important memories Dumbledor left at Hogwarts
before going to some potentially dangerous task?

> ____________________________________________
> Regards,
>
> Arnold

gerriT
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239084 ] Di, 21 März 2006 19:17
richard e white  
Froggy wrote:

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> Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or not
> he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do they
> vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could be
> extremely useful to Harry.
> --
> (*)(*)
> (------)
> Froggy

From what is in the books I would say yes. As the bottles prove that memories
can be kept past the owners death. And the pensive is made to hold them. But
DD may have planed for something like that happening and had a spell put them
away somewhere. Like maybe they are in the painting of dd in the headmasters
office.
But if there was not a plan to hide them then the ones left in the pensive
would have to be bottled for long storage.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239087 ] Di, 21 März 2006 19:24
richard e white  
mag3 wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:52:52 GMT, "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >Spoiler space.
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> >Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or not
> >he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do they
> >vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could be
> >extremely useful to Harry.
>
> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure.

If DD left it to harry. for all we know dd's brother now has it and is useing it to
feed goats. I rather do hope DD left some items to harry. if not I will lose even
more respect for the guy that should have been getting Harry ready for the main
battle.


> And remember that
> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
> conceivably. Otherwise, it would seem to be one of the biggest red herrings
> going.

Some comments of harry's make that look like dd's pensive that snape had the lone of
for that set of lessens.

> That would also tend to lend credence to the theory that Harry will return to
> Hogwarts and use it as a base for his operations. How else would he get
> access to either one or both pensieves?

DD might have left it to harry in the will. But I think Harry will need to get use
of it from who ever got it after dd past. even with out that hogwarts still makes
the best place for harry to do some prepairing for battle. the question is does he
use it?


> Would he have someone like Ron,
> Hermione or even Neville relay info to him? I don't know if any of the kids
> other than Harry knows they exist or how to use them. Maybe Prof. McG
> does.
>
> ____________________________________________
> Regards,
>
> Arnold




--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239115 ] Di, 21 März 2006 21:38
Magic_mom  
mag3 wrote:

> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
> conceivably. Otherwise, it would seem to be one of the biggest red herrings
> going.
>
> That would also tend to lend credence to the theory that Harry will return to
> Hogwarts and use it as a base for his operations. How else would he get
> access to either one or both pensieves? Would he have someone like Ron,
> Hermione or even Neville relay info to him? I don't know if any of the kids
> other than Harry knows they exist or how to use them. Maybe Prof. McG
> does.
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________
> Regards,
>
> Arnold

I thought the pensieve in Snap's office was Dumbledores..?

M_m
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239133 ] Di, 21 März 2006 23:48
mag3  
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:23:42 GMT, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> wrote:


>One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
>there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
>Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
>conceivably.

I stand corrected. It is indeed DD's pensieve. I was thinking it was Snape's because
Snape was placing memories in it when he began to teach Harry Occlumency. I'd
be curious as to why DD would allow Snape to "update" his pensieve like that. Obviously,
doing so set up the "Snape's Worst Memory" chapter but otherwise.......


____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239134 ] Di, 21 März 2006 23:51
mag3  
On 21 Mar 2006 12:38:19 -0800, "Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>
>mag3 wrote:
>
>> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
>> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
>> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
>> conceivably. Otherwise, it would seem to be one of the biggest red herrings
>> going.
>>
>> That would also tend to lend credence to the theory that Harry will return to
>> Hogwarts and use it as a base for his operations. How else would he get
>> access to either one or both pensieves? Would he have someone like Ron,
>> Hermione or even Neville relay info to him? I don't know if any of the kids
>> other than Harry knows they exist or how to use them. Maybe Prof. McG
>> does.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>> Regards,
>>
>> Arnold
>
>I thought the pensieve in Snap's office was Dumbledores..?
>

It was. My bad.


____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239135 ] Di, 21 März 2006 23:53
mag3  
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:45:46 GMT, Gerrit Vicin <gerrit [at] blinx.de> wrote:

>Hi!
>
>mag3 schrieb:
>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:52:52 GMT, "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Spoiler space.
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>> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
>> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
>> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
>> conceivably. Otherwise, it would seem to be one of the biggest red herrings
>> going.


>I think so too. Just one little thing: As far as I remember there's just
>one pensieve at Hogwarts that we know of. That's Dumbledor's which he
>lent to Snape for the Occlumency lessons.


Yes, upon re-reading, I've discovered it was DD's pensieve.

My mistake.


____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239142 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 01:18
devnull  
mag3 wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:23:42 GMT, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
>>there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
>>Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
>>conceivably.
>
>
> I stand corrected. It is indeed DD's pensieve. I was thinking it was Snape's because
> Snape was placing memories in it when he began to teach Harry Occlumency. I'd
> be curious as to why DD would allow Snape to "update" his pensieve like that. Obviously,
> doing so set up the "Snape's Worst Memory" chapter but otherwise.......

The pensieve isn't updated. It's a temporary reader device for the
memory to be inspected. I'd compare it to a CD reader, and the CDs are
the memories. They're later removed from it and either stored in the
owner's mind (as Snape did) or back to the bottle (as the ones kept by
DD). Though several memories can be placed in the pensieve without
mixing, it seems.

Of course you can forget a CD in the tray...

Now that I think of it, as you say, this was an obvious plot device so
Harry could see Snape worst memory. If Snape intention was simply to
keep his memories safe from Harry during the occlumency lessons, it
would have sufficed to bottle them... no pensieve needed. Or am I
forgetting something?

--
Take the Snape polls: http://snape.mosteo.com [Updated 16/08]
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239156 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 02:33
The Magic Engineer  
"richard e white" <chiphead [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:4420433A.21ACEDEF [at] cox.net...
> Froggy wrote:
>
>> Spoiler space.
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>> Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or
>> not
>> he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do
>> they
>> vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could
>> be
>> extremely useful to Harry.
>> --
>> (*)(*)
>> (------)
>> Froggy
>
> From what is in the books I would say yes. As the bottles prove that
> memories
> can be kept past the owners death. And the pensive is made to hold them.
> But
> DD may have planed for something like that happening and had a spell put
> them
> away somewhere. Like maybe they are in the painting of dd in the
> headmasters
> office.
> But if there was not a plan to hide them then the ones left in the
> pensive
> would have to be bottled for long storage.

What do you think happens to memories that aren't stored in the
bottles, but were perhaps still swimming in the Pensieve when DD
kicked the bucket? Do they disappear?

Or was this answered? Weren't some of the memories from long
dead people too?

I would think that Harry would use the device... he might not get
>permission< to, but might have to sneak it in behind McGonagall's
back... I can see it now, she turns her back to look out the window,
he dunks his head in, then flips it out, all covered with slimy silvery
memories. She says, "You've been messing with people's minds
again, haven't you, Potter?" or something like that..

TME
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239158 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 02:48
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-03-20 23:23:42 -0500, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> said:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:52:52 GMT, "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Spoiler space.
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>> Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or
>> not he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve?
>> Do they vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them,
>> it could be extremely useful to Harry.
>
> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that
> purpose - to be
> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
> conceivably.

I was under the impression that the pensieve in Snape's office belonged
to Dumbledore, and that he borrowed it to remove memories he wanted to
protect during Harry's occlumency lessons.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239159 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 02:52
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-03-21 17:48:21 -0500, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> said:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:23:42 GMT, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that
>> purpose - to be
>> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
>> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
>> conceivably.
>
> I stand corrected. It is indeed DD's pensieve. I was thinking it was
> Snape's because
> Snape was placing memories in it when he began to teach Harry Occlumency. I'd
> be curious as to why DD would allow Snape to "update" his pensieve like
> that. Obviously,
> doing so set up the "Snape's Worst Memory" chapter but otherwise.......
>
>
> ____________________________________________
> Regards,
>
> Arnold


He was using it to store memories he did not want Harry to stumble upon
during occlumency lessons. This seems to show that Snape really did
think a lot of Harry's abilities. If he really thought Harry was of
mediocre talent, he wouldn't have deemed it necessary to hide his
memories in the pensieve. He would not have thought Harry capable of
seeing into his mind.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239160 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 02:56
drusilla  
Zolak of Twylo escribió:
> On 2006-03-21 17:48:21 -0500, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> said:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:23:42 GMT, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that
>>> purpose - to be
>>> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And
>>> remember that
>>> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
>>> conceivably.
>>
>> I stand corrected. It is indeed DD's pensieve. I was thinking it was
>> Snape's because
>> Snape was placing memories in it when he began to teach Harry
>> Occlumency. I'd
>> be curious as to why DD would allow Snape to "update" his pensieve
>> like that. Obviously,
>> doing so set up the "Snape's Worst Memory" chapter but otherwise.......
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>> Regards,
>>
>> Arnold
>
>
> He was using it to store memories he did not want Harry to stumble upon
> during occlumency lessons. This seems to show that Snape really did
> think a lot of Harry's abilities. If he really thought Harry was of
> mediocre talent, he wouldn't have deemed it necessary to hide his
> memories in the pensieve. He would not have thought Harry capable of
> seeing into his mind.

He could have thought that at first, but later, when Harry kept showing
not progress at all, he still put the memories in the Pensieve. I think
is more like a precaution he just took.
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239161 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 03:00
JoeMo  
Jano wrote:
> mag3 wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:23:42 GMT, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that purpose - to be
> >>there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
> >>Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
> >>conceivably.
> >
> >
> > I stand corrected. It is indeed DD's pensieve. I was thinking it was Snape's because
> > Snape was placing memories in it when he began to teach Harry Occlumency. I'd
> > be curious as to why DD would allow Snape to "update" his pensieve like that. Obviously,
> > doing so set up the "Snape's Worst Memory" chapter but otherwise.......
>
> The pensieve isn't updated. It's a temporary reader device for the
> memory to be inspected. I'd compare it to a CD reader, and the CDs are
> the memories. They're later removed from it and either stored in the
> owner's mind (as Snape did) or back to the bottle (as the ones kept by
> DD). Though several memories can be placed in the pensieve without
> mixing, it seems.
>
> Of course you can forget a CD in the tray...
>
> Now that I think of it, as you say, this was an obvious plot device so
> Harry could see Snape worst memory. If Snape intention was simply to
> keep his memories safe from Harry during the occlumency lessons, it
> would have sufficed to bottle them... no pensieve needed. Or am I
> forgetting something?

Maybe he didn't want incriminating memories lying around in bottles. ;)

> --
> Take the Snape polls: http://snape.mosteo.com [Updated 16/08]
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239170 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 04:25
mag3  
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:48:49 -0500, Zolak of Twylo <dannythomas [at] walnuts.com> wrote:

>On 2006-03-20 23:23:42 -0500, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> said:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:52:52 GMT, "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Spoiler space.
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>> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that
>> purpose - to be
>> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
>> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
>> conceivably.
>
>I was under the impression that the pensieve in Snape's office belonged
>to Dumbledore, and that he borrowed it to remove memories he wanted to
>protect during Harry's occlumency lessons.

You were right. I corrected myself several posts above. :-)


____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239173 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 05:20
Joe C  
"Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:oMKTf.8306$k75.5972 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Spoiler space.

> .
> Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or =
not=20
> he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do =
they=20
> vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could =
be=20
> extremely useful to Harry.
> --=20

It's not the Pensieve that's valuable to Harry it's the memories that DD
has collected thru-out his life. Particularly the ones that deal with V.
If I'm not wrong they are stored in small bottles in his office. They
are probably the Headmistress' (McGonigal) property now.
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239175 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 05:30
drusilla  
Steve Szostek escribió:
> "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message news:oMKTf.8306$k75.5972 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> Spoiler space.
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>> Now that DD is gone (I don't want to get into the arguement whether or not
>> he truely is dead) What happens to the contents of the Pensieve? Do they
>> vanish? Can someone retrieve them? If you can retrieve them, it could be
>> extremely useful to Harry.
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>
> It's not the Pensieve that's valuable to Harry it's the memories that DD
> has collected thru-out his life. Particularly the ones that deal with V.
> If I'm not wrong they are stored in small bottles in his office. They
> are probably the Headmistress' (McGonigal) property now.

Nope. They must be Abertford now.
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239222 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 12:42
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-03-21 22:25:05 -0500, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> said:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:48:49 -0500, Zolak of Twylo
> <dannythomas [at] walnuts.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2006-03-20 23:23:42 -0500, mag3 <zmpmag3-afhp [at] yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:52:52 GMT, "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> One has to believe that the pensieve was setup entirely for that
>>> purpose - to be
>>> there for Harry to use as a resource after DD's departure. And remember that
>>> Snape also has one in his office as well with him no longer at Hogwarts,
>>> conceivably.
>>
>> I was under the impression that the pensieve in Snape's office belonged
>> to Dumbledore, and that he borrowed it to remove memories he wanted to
>> protect during Harry's occlumency lessons.
>
> You were right. I corrected myself several posts above.

I read those after I posted. Sorry for jumping in too quickly.

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Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239253 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 21:09
Mishagam  
> Now that I think of it, as you say, this was an obvious plot device so
> Harry could see Snape worst memory. If Snape intention was simply to
> keep his memories safe from Harry during the occlumency lessons, it
> would have sufficed to bottle them... no pensieve needed.

I never read anything that bottled memories are removed from the head.
For example Slughorn produced 'edited' bottled memory for DD, but he
apparently still remembered all episode perfectly. Bottling just
extracts copy. Pensieve, on the other side, removes memories for storage.
Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239255 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 21:37
devnull  
Mishagam wrote:
> I never read anything that bottled memories are removed from the head.
> For example Slughorn produced 'edited' bottled memory for DD, but he
> apparently still remembered all episode perfectly. Bottling just
> extracts copy. Pensieve, on the other side, removes memories for storage.

Maybe. In my view, you can either remove or copy the memory, and you do
it with your wand. The recipient is probably not important at that
stage. Later, the pensieve allows inspection, and a bottle just
conservation.

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Re: Question about the Pensieve. [message #239303 ] Do, 23 März 2006 10:12
Toon  
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:09:31 GMT, Mishagam <noemail [at] provider.com>
wrote:

>
>> Now that I think of it, as you say, this was an obvious plot device so
>> Harry could see Snape worst memory. If Snape intention was simply to
>> keep his memories safe from Harry during the occlumency lessons, it
>> would have sufficed to bottle them... no pensieve needed.
>
>I never read anything that bottled memories are removed from the head.
>For example Slughorn produced 'edited' bottled memory for DD, but he
>apparently still remembered all episode perfectly. Bottling just
>extracts copy. Pensieve, on the other side, removes memories for storage.

The bottle stores your memory so you can have more room to view it in
the pensive. it's the same thing. Remove a memory, bottle it for
later use. or did you think DD took the pensive with him, and risked
spilling it?
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