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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » potter friends
| potter friends [message #238608] |
So, 19 März 2006 02:10 |
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why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
school or at home
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| Re: potter friends [message #238610 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 02:29 |
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Bob Fos wrote:
> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
> school or at home
Sirius was on jail and now he's dead, Peter was a rat, and Lupin has a
little werewolf problem...
Catherine Johnson.
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fenm at cox dot net
"I'm the impish officer of death."
-Mike Nelson, _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238612 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 02:45 |
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Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> Bob Fos wrote:
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>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> school or at home
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> Sirius was on jail and now he's dead, Peter was a rat, and Lupin has a
> little werewolf problem...
>
> Catherine Johnson.
Were they the only ones in the class of 1978?
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| Re: potter friends [message #238613 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 02:48 |
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"Fish Eye no Miko" <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
news:8u2Tf.738$PE.125 [at] fed1read05...
> Bob Fos wrote:
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>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> school or at home
>
> Sirius was on jail and now he's dead, Peter was a rat, and Lupin has a
> little werewolf problem...
>
I think he was refering to friends other than that, see on Sorcerers Stone
when Hagrid gives harry the Photo Album with pictures of his mom and dad he
says he contacted all of their friends to get the bunch of pictures, so if
Sirius was in Azkaban he couldn't have been one of the friends, if Wormtail
was tought as dead he couldn't have been one and Lupin was a longshot as you
said he has a werewolf problem, so what other friends are there that had
such pictures?
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| Re: potter friends [message #238616 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 03:04 |
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Jonathan Rodriguez escribió:
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
> news:8u2Tf.738$PE.125 [at] fed1read05...
>> Bob Fos wrote:
>>
>>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>>> school or at home
>> Sirius was on jail and now he's dead, Peter was a rat, and Lupin has a
>> little werewolf problem...
>>
>
> I think he was refering to friends other than that, see on Sorcerers Stone
> when Hagrid gives harry the Photo Album with pictures of his mom and dad he
> says he contacted all of their friends to get the bunch of pictures, so if
> Sirius was in Azkaban he couldn't have been one of the friends, if Wormtail
> was tought as dead he couldn't have been one and Lupin was a longshot as you
> said he has a werewolf problem, so what other friends are there that had
> such pictures?
I suppose James and Lily had common friends at Hogwarts like classmates,
housemates so, they were invited to their wedding but were not that
close. And you know how people go nuts taking pictures at weddings, so,
instead of having one old yellowish picture of the Potters in your
attic, they were likeable to send it to Harry when Hagrid asked them for
them, knowing they could have them.
And they probably took lots of pictures of them while in Hogwarts.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238619 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 03:32 |
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http://community.webtv.net/berkleysports/berkleysports
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| Re: potter friends [message #238621 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 03:42 |
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i was thinking the same thing didn't any of the parents of his class
mates know the potters
http://community.webtv.net/berkleysports/berkleysports
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| Re: potter friends [message #238638 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 07:47 |
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Bob Fos wrote:
> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
> school or at home
Maybe they didn't know where he was, and if they did, they didn't want
to draw attention to him.
RC
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| Re: potter friends [message #238646 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 09:18 |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:10:08 -0500, bobfosss [at] webtv.net (Bob Fos)
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>why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>school or at home
Sirius did.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238647 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 09:21 |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:48:24 GMT, "Jonathan Rodriguez"
<xenexprime [at] verizon.net> wrote:
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>"Fish Eye no Miko" <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
>news:8u2Tf.738$PE.125 [at] fed1read05...
>> Bob Fos wrote:
>>
>>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>>> school or at home
>>
>> Sirius was on jail and now he's dead, Peter was a rat, and Lupin has a
>> little werewolf problem...
>>
>
>I think he was refering to friends other than that, see on Sorcerers Stone
>when Hagrid gives harry the Photo Album with pictures of his mom and dad he
>says he contacted all of their friends to get the bunch of pictures, so if
>Sirius was in Azkaban he couldn't have been one of the friends, if Wormtail
>was tought as dead he couldn't have been one and Lupin was a longshot as you
>said he has a werewolf problem, so what other friends are there that had
>such pictures?
>
Harry met wizards before. He just didn't know who the odd bowing,
handshaking creeps were. Any of them could have been Potter friends
and well wishers.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238664 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 10:00 |
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Bob Fos wrote:
> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
> school or at home
Wizards seem to be rather solitary creatures. Note, e.g., the Weasley
house. Other than Harry, there are no other guests - until Fleur, and
then they don't _like_ her. The neighbors _never_ drop in, do they?
And, given Molly's personality, you would expect the Weasly's to be
relatively social. I cannot imagine Draco's mother entertaining unless
plotting to take over everything was the focus of the party.
"Cocktails" would mostly be of the Molotov variety.
Dave
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| Re: potter friends [message #238687 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 16:05 |
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David Sueme wrote:
> Bob Fos wrote:
> > why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
> > school or at home
>
> Wizards seem to be rather solitary creatures. Note, e.g., the Weasley
> house. Other than Harry, there are no other guests - until Fleur, and
> then they don't _like_ her. The neighbors _never_ drop in, do they?
> And, given Molly's personality, you would expect the Weasly's to be
> relatively social. I cannot imagine Draco's mother entertaining unless
> plotting to take over everything was the focus of the party.
> "Cocktails" would mostly be of the Molotov variety.
>
> Dave
That IS very very funny! (mental picture of the Malfoy family
entertaining) I hate to imagine what there idea of "entertainment"
would be!
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| Re: potter friends [message #238695 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 17:10 |
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David Sueme wrote:
> Bob Fos wrote:
> > why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
> > school or at home
>
> Wizards seem to be rather solitary creatures. Note, e.g., the Weasley
> house. Other than Harry, there are no other guests - until Fleur, and
> then they don't _like_ her. The neighbors _never_ drop in, do they?
> And, given Molly's personality, you would expect the Weasly's to be
> relatively social. I cannot imagine Draco's mother entertaining unless
> plotting to take over everything was the focus of the party.
> "Cocktails" would mostly be of the Molotov variety.
>
> Dave
LOL! I hate to think of the "entertainment" Lucius and Narcissa would
provide at their parties!
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| Re: potter friends [message #238709 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 18:21 |
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"Bob Fos" <bobfosss [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29255-441CAF70-1753 [at] storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net...
> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
> school or at home
>
probably because of things that Dumbledore did he may have made it
impossible or at least improbable for anyone he didnt trust to find Harry
something similar to the fedelius charm. Sirius may have known the general
area where the Dursley's lived from conversations with James and Lily but if
he would have been able to find Harry had he not left the Dursley home is up
for debate.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238715 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 18:54 |
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| Re: potter friends [message #238725 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 20:05 |
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IMS escribió:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:10:08 -0500, bobfosss [at] webtv.net (Bob Fos) wrote:
>
>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> school or at home
>
> Well, that's what I always wondered. If both Lily and James were so
> popular, seems their friends would have been concerned about Harry.
IICR, DD did say Harry that when his parents die some families wanted to
take care of him. As James had no closest relatives, I suppose those
were friends from Hogwarts.
The
> question can also be, why didn't DD, Hagrid, McGonagall, and others talk
> to Harry about his parents when Harry first showed up at school,
> especially given they ALL knew where he lived, what had happened to his
> parents, and the kind of people who were caring for him. Personally I
> think it was cruel and heartless for none of these characters to talk to
> Harry about his parents. It also seems that Lupin, as one of James'
> best friends, sould have stepped up and talked to Harry about his
parents.
We don't know what was doing Lupin before PoA, so, there is a chance he
had no chance to get close to Harry. By the time he managed to met him,
Sirius had escaped from Azkaban and perhaps he feared that saying he had
being friends with James, had implied that he had also met Sirius. Or
simply the fact that Sirius escaped was bringing back memories he didn't
want to remember.
BY the tw23r e gf y gfyyfucuugd
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| Re: potter friends [message #238729 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 20:22 |
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| Re: potter friends [message #238736 ] |
So, 19 März 2006 21:42 |
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IMS escribió:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:05:20 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
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>> IMS escribió:
>>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:10:08 -0500, bobfosss [at] webtv.net (Bob Fos) wrote:
>>>
>>>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>>>> school or at home
>>> Well, that's what I always wondered. If both Lily and James were so
>>> popular, seems their friends would have been concerned about Harry.
>> IICR, DD did say Harry that when his parents die some families wanted to
>> take care of him. As James had no closest relatives, I suppose those
>> were friends from Hogwarts.
>>
>> The
>>> question can also be, why didn't DD, Hagrid, McGonagall, and others talk
>>> to Harry about his parents when Harry first showed up at school,
>>> especially given they ALL knew where he lived, what had happened to his
>>> parents, and the kind of people who were caring for him. Personally I
>>> think it was cruel and heartless for none of these characters to talk to
>>> Harry about his parents. It also seems that Lupin, as one of James'
>>> best friends, sould have stepped up and talked to Harry about his
>> parents.
>>
>> We don't know what was doing Lupin before PoA, so, there is a chance he
>> had no chance to get close to Harry. By the time he managed to met him,
>> Sirius had escaped from Azkaban and perhaps he feared that saying he had
>> being friends with James, had implied that he had also met Sirius. Or
>> simply the fact that Sirius escaped was bringing back memories he didn't
>> want to remember.
>>
>>
>> BY the tw23r e gf y gfyyfucuugd
>
> But Lupin didn't talk to Harry on the train, or at school as much as I
> would have expected a person who is now in the presence of his best
> friends son. Especially knowing what Harry'd gone through.
>
> Do you have thoughts about why DD, Hagrid or McGonagall, didn't talk to
> Harry?
>
Mm... About Mcgonagall, perhaps she didn't feel the right person to do
that, after all, she is only his teacher and head of house. One might
say that Hagrid could have said something as he is very fond of Harry,
whatsoever, in PSSS (I don't remember that much, perhaps I'm thinking on
the movie), he as just I said about Mg, didn't fell it was him the one
that should have told Harry the truth about his family and LV.
There is also the chance that DD asked them both - and all professors
who might have known James and Lily - to be careful about what they
might reveal to Harry, specially if these could lead to 'dangerous'
questions and answers (LV, Sirius, etc).
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| Re: potter friends [message #238840 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:00 |
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On 19 Mar 2006 01:00:55 -0800, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net>
wrote:
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>Bob Fos wrote:
>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> school or at home
>
>Wizards seem to be rather solitary creatures. Note, e.g., the Weasley
>house. Other than Harry, there are no other guests - until Fleur, and
>then they don't _like_ her. The neighbors _never_ drop in, do they?
>And, given Molly's personality, you would expect the Weasly's to be
>relatively social. I cannot imagine Draco's mother entertaining unless
>plotting to take over everything was the focus of the party.
>"Cocktails" would mostly be of the Molotov variety.
>
>Dave
Hermione always visits. And they did just stick her with Ginny for
gender sakes. Lucky they hit it off, really.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238841 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:01 |
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On 19 Mar 2006 07:05:22 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>David Sueme wrote:
>> Bob Fos wrote:
>> > why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> > school or at home
>>
>> Wizards seem to be rather solitary creatures. Note, e.g., the Weasley
>> house. Other than Harry, there are no other guests - until Fleur, and
>> then they don't _like_ her. The neighbors _never_ drop in, do they?
>> And, given Molly's personality, you would expect the Weasly's to be
>> relatively social. I cannot imagine Draco's mother entertaining unless
>> plotting to take over everything was the focus of the party.
>> "Cocktails" would mostly be of the Molotov variety.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>That IS very very funny! (mental picture of the Malfoy family
>entertaining) I hate to imagine what there idea of "entertainment"
>would be!
Imagine the Malfoy's and Dursely's hosting each other. The only time
they get along is dissing Harry.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238842 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:01 |
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On 19 Mar 2006 08:10:30 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>David Sueme wrote:
>> Bob Fos wrote:
>> > why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> > school or at home
>>
>> Wizards seem to be rather solitary creatures. Note, e.g., the Weasley
>> house. Other than Harry, there are no other guests - until Fleur, and
>> then they don't _like_ her. The neighbors _never_ drop in, do they?
>> And, given Molly's personality, you would expect the Weasly's to be
>> relatively social. I cannot imagine Draco's mother entertaining unless
>> plotting to take over everything was the focus of the party.
>> "Cocktails" would mostly be of the Molotov variety.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>LOL! I hate to think of the "entertainment" Lucius and Narcissa would
>provide at their parties!
Maybe throw a Fetish party instead.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238843 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:02 |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:21:24 +0000 (UTC), "Dwayne & Angela"
<angelahowie [at] REMOVEbtinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Bob Fos" <bobfosss [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:29255-441CAF70-1753 [at] storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net...
>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> school or at home
>>
>probably because of things that Dumbledore did he may have made it
>impossible or at least improbable for anyone he didnt trust to find Harry
>something similar to the fedelius charm. Sirius may have known the general
>area where the Dursley's lived from conversations with James and Lily but if
>he would have been able to find Harry had he not left the Dursley home is up
>for debate.
>
But Voldemort knew Harry was with his relations. Not sure if he knew
the exact address, but he knew Harry was with blood family, and
untouchable there.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238844 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:03 |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:54:25 GMT, IMS <iscott [at] twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:10:08 -0500, bobfosss [at] webtv.net (Bob Fos) wrote:
>
>>why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>>school or at home
>
>Well, that's what I always wondered. If both Lily and James were so
>popular, seems their friends would have been concerned about Harry. The
>question can also be, why didn't DD, Hagrid, McGonagall, and others talk
>to Harry about his parents when Harry first showed up at school,
>especially given they ALL knew where he lived, what had happened to his
>parents, and the kind of people who were caring for him. Personally I
>think it was cruel and heartless for none of these characters to talk to
>Harry about his parents. It also seems that Lupin, as one of James'
>best friends, sould have stepped up and talked to Harry about his
>parents.
>
DD probably forbade him.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238845 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:04 |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:05:20 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>IMS escribió:
>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:10:08 -0500, bobfosss [at] webtv.net (Bob Fos) wrote:
>>
>>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>>> school or at home
>>
>> Well, that's what I always wondered. If both Lily and James were so
>> popular, seems their friends would have been concerned about Harry.
>
>IICR, DD did say Harry that when his parents die some families wanted to
>take care of him. As James had no closest relatives, I suppose those
>were friends from Hogwarts.
>
> The
>> question can also be, why didn't DD, Hagrid, McGonagall, and others talk
>> to Harry about his parents when Harry first showed up at school,
>> especially given they ALL knew where he lived, what had happened to his
>> parents, and the kind of people who were caring for him. Personally I
>> think it was cruel and heartless for none of these characters to talk to
>> Harry about his parents. It also seems that Lupin, as one of James'
>> best friends, sould have stepped up and talked to Harry about his
> parents.
>
>We don't know what was doing Lupin before PoA,
Not Tonks.
>so, there is a chance he
>had no chance to get close to Harry. By the time he managed to met him,
>Sirius had escaped from Azkaban and perhaps he feared that saying he had
>being friends with James, had implied that he had also met Sirius. Or
>simply the fact that Sirius escaped was bringing back memories he didn't
>want to remember.
>
And being on the train to guard Harry is no time for nostalgia.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238846 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:05 |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:22:17 GMT, IMS <iscott [at] twcny.rr.com> wrote:
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>Do you have thoughts about why DD, Hagrid or McGonagall, didn't talk to
>Harry?
Harry's scar really creeped them out?
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| Re: potter friends [message #238848 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:06 |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:42:38 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Mm... About Mcgonagall, perhaps she didn't feel the right person to do
>that, after all, she is only his teacher and head of house. One might
>say that Hagrid could have said something as he is very fond of Harry,
>whatsoever, in PSSS (I don't remember that much, perhaps I'm thinking on
>the movie), he as just I said about Mg, didn't fell it was him the one
>that should have told Harry the truth about his family and LV.
>There is also the chance that DD asked them both - and all professors
>who might have known James and Lily - to be careful about what they
>might reveal to Harry, specially if these could lead to 'dangerous'
>questions and answers (LV, Sirius, etc).
And why Hagrid said all Dark Wizards were Slytheirns, and not
Gryffendor Siirus, lest Harry asked who he was.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238855 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 10:37 |
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Toon wrote:
> >That IS very very funny! (mental picture of the Malfoy family
> >entertaining) I hate to imagine what there idea of "entertainment"
> >would be!
>
> Imagine the Malfoy's and Dursely's hosting each other. The only time
> they get along is dissing Harry.
Or the Mals dissing the latest broom and the Dur's complaining about
the latest Passat oil change interval.
Ya know, Toon - here in America we have this thingey called "stalking".
Which, in fact, I have issues with "hate crimes" in general and
"stalking" rather specifically. I ask, how do you distinguish between
feelings of hate and feelings of despise? If I kick a Slytherin, is it
a "hate crime" or a "despise crime"? And can or should a violent act
based on a feeling of disgust be penalized at a greater rate than a
similar violent act based on an intererest in financial gain?
Nevertheless, it is very wierd and creepy that you never agree with me
but rarely fail to make a note of my postings. Very creepy indeed.
Dave
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| Re: potter friends [message #238873 ] |
Mo, 20 März 2006 14:09 |
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In article <1142847423.829704.308380 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "David
Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>Toon wrote:
>
>> >That IS very very funny! (mental picture of the Malfoy family
>> >entertaining) I hate to imagine what there idea of "entertainment"
>> >would be!
>>
>> Imagine the Malfoy's and Dursely's hosting each other. The only time
>> they get along is dissing Harry.
>
>Or the Mals dissing the latest broom and the Dur's complaining about
>the latest Passat oil change interval.
>
>Ya know, Toon - here in America we have this thingey called "stalking".
> Which, in fact, I have issues with "hate crimes" in general and
>"stalking" rather specifically. I ask, how do you distinguish between
>feelings of hate and feelings of despise? If I kick a Slytherin, is it
>a "hate crime" or a "despise crime"? And can or should a violent act
>based on a feeling of disgust be penalized at a greater rate than a
>similar violent act based on an intererest in financial gain?
Heh, heh... It occurs to me that one of your many "fans" might just e-mail
Toon an academic treatise for him to post in response.
>Nevertheless, it is very wierd and creepy that you never agree with me
>but rarely fail to make a note of my postings. Very creepy indeed.
There are hyenoid activities here that I consider worse than stalking
because they waste my time and bandwidth. For example, there seem to be
hyenic creatures who, upon waking, go out to mark their self-perceived
territory in alt.fan.harry-potter. They sniff at a new posting (preferably
a long one), lift their hind leg, spray their concentrated urine, cackle
with self-satisfaction and move on to the next posting. When called upon
to explain themselves, they insist that they alone understand the books
and everybody else is a stupid dumbshitasswipe.
It is, however, worth noting that some of them seem to be making an effort
to bang their keys in spelling order. Some have even discovered the
marvelous world of sentences. Ideas connected by sentences might yet put
them a step ahead of Grawp. But fighting Grawps on their own level can
only be seen as an undertaking predestined to failure.
--
Chris
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| Re: potter friends [message #238925 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 00:59 |
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Bob Fos wrote:
> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
> school or at home
>
It would seem to me that since no one KNEW what really happened to
RIDDLE - that placing Harry in protection was a logical move. That could
easily be explained to EVERYONE involved.
And even then - we just don't know if anyone was interested in Harry's
wellfare becasue it isn't really mentioned. I am sure one could have
gone to DD to get updates since he was having HARRY watched.
SOme would think McGOnagal would have been interested - even though she
was not yet his teacher or head of his house (Before the sorting - I'll
bet there were a lot of guesses going on). However - with McGOnagle
close to DD - she could have easily known without US knowing it. Same
thing with Hagrid. McGOnagle had a major advantage there too - she could
become a cat and go visit without revealing herself - my guess is that
Hagrid didn't go because - well - he might have been a little obvious.
(Gee who was that GIANT who came by yesterday - WHat GIANT?)
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| Re: potter friends [message #238953 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 04:18 |
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In article <3mHTf.595698$qk4.57398 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Bob Fos wrote:
>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> school or at home
>
>It would seem to me that since no one KNEW what really happened to
>RIDDLE - that placing Harry in protection was a logical move. That could
>easily be explained to EVERYONE involved.
Being with the Dursleys was like being in a witness protection program.
Also, DD didn't want Harry associating with wizards, for a variety of
reasons. His official reason was that he didn't want Harry to get a
swelled head. There were other possible reasons too; Dumbledore may
have suspected that Harry would be possessed by Voldemort, or his long-
term plan may have involved things that required Harry to be brought
up with no close friends.
>And even then - we just don't know if anyone was interested in Harry's
>welfare because it isn't really mentioned. I am sure one could have
>gone to DD to get updates since he was having HARRY watched.
The occasional wizard did wave or shake hands with him, but they were
mostly obeyed the directive not to interfere. They all knew about
him and were eager to meet him when he first entered the Leaky
Cauldron.
It seems that James and Lily didn't have a lot of close friends that
survived the first wizard war. The survivors were all members of the
old OotP and they drifted away and got jobs; Mrs Figg was on duty,
watching Harry in the neighborhood on her rambling walks through.
> with McGonagal close to DD - she could have easily known without
> US knowing it. Same thing with Hagrid. McGonagal had a major
> advantage there too - she could become a cat and go visit without
> revealing herself
She could even have slipped in among Mrs Figg's cats and observed
Harry for several hours. She's good at handling boredom.
=Tamar
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| Re: potter friends [message #238957 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 04:33 |
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Richard Eney escribió:
> Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> And even then - we just don't know if anyone was interested in Harry's
>> welfare because it isn't really mentioned. I am sure one could have
>> gone to DD to get updates since he was having HARRY watched.
>
> The occasional wizard did wave or shake hands with him, but they were
> mostly obeyed the directive not to interfere. They all knew about
> him and were eager to meet him when he first entered the Leaky
> Cauldron.
I doubt DD warned all the wizardkind about not to interfere. Yet, unless
it gossip ran after Harry's arrival to Hogwarts, the Hufflepuffs did
seemed to know he lives with muggles (CoS). Perhaps the news of Harry
Potter being sent with his muggles' relatives was in a way release
across the wizards (the prophet?) and they just kept apart knowing that
he didn't have any idea about their world.
> It seems that James and Lily didn't have a lot of close friends that
> survived the first wizard war. The survivors were all members of the
> old OotP and they drifted away and got jobs; Mrs Figg was on duty,
> watching Harry in the neighborhood on her rambling walks through.
BUt DD did say there were families that wanted to keep him, why these
families couldn't be the Potters' friends, as James had no living
relatives and Lily only had the Dursleys? These people definitively
weren't the Weasleys nor the Longbottons.
>> with McGonagal close to DD - she could have easily known without
>> US knowing it. Same thing with Hagrid. McGonagal had a major
>> advantage there too - she could become a cat and go visit without
>> revealing herself
>
> She could even have slipped in among Mrs Figg's cats and observed
> Harry for several hours. She's good at handling boredom.
I think she did that too. Whether for her own initiative or in DD's
orders but I think McGonagall might have returned few times to PD,
although not many to realise how mistreated Harry was. (and to spend
some time with Figg's cats :) )
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| Re: potter friends [message #238964 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 04:56 |
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In Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore pretty much stated that all he
wanted to do is protect Harry. He said flat out that he cared too much
about Harry's happiness, so bringing up unpleasant things was something
he was avoiding. To me, that pretty much covers why Dumbledore never
spoke with Harry when he first arrived at Hogwarts. Since it seems to
me that Dumbledore was in charge of Harry's safety, that most wizards
probably felt that only Dumbledore would be the appropriate person to
talk to Harry about these things. With Harry being out of the
wizarding world, most casual acquaintances of the Potters wouldn't even
know who the Dursleys were.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238968 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 05:16 |
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In article <dvns6k$aa5$1 [at] emma.aioe.org>, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>Richard Eney escribió:
>> Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>> And even then - we just don't know if anyone was interested in Harry's
>>> welfare because it isn't really mentioned.
>> The occasional wizard did wave or shake hands with him, but they were
>> mostly obeyed the directive not to interfere. They all knew about
>> him and were eager to meet him
>I doubt DD warned all the wizardkind about not to interfere. Yet, unless
>it gossip ran after Harry's arrival to Hogwarts, the Hufflepuffs did
>seemed to know he lives with muggles (CoS). Perhaps the news of Harry
>Potter being sent with his muggles' relatives was in a way release
>across the wizards (the prophet?) and they just kept apart knowing that
>he didn't have any idea about their world.
I think that is probably how it worked. DD told people that Harry
was being raised by relatives in a magically protected situation
and he may even have said that they shouldn't disturb the magical
protection. The occasional wizard may have gone to get a quick
look, like a tourist being thrilled to see a famous person on the
street but not quite daring to approach.
>> It seems that James and Lily didn't have a lot of close friends that
>> survived the first wizard war. The survivors were all members of the
>> old OotP and they drifted away and got jobs; Mrs Figg was on duty,
>> watching Harry in the neighborhood on her rambling walks through.
>
>But DD did say there were families that wanted to keep him, why these
>families couldn't be the Potters' friends, as James had no living
>relatives and Lily only had the Dursleys? These people definitively
>weren't the Weasleys nor the Longbottons.
That's true. And there were all those people who had photographs,
even if many of them were from school years. Even if they wanted to,
they still couldn't take Harry in, because Dd would have told them
that the magical protection still had to be kept up. I'm certain
that if offers were made, DD would have stopped them. Harry of
course doesn't know about that.
>>> McGonagal had a major advantage there too - she could become
>>> a cat and go visit without revealing herself
>>
>> She could even have slipped in among Mrs Figg's cats and observed
>> Harry for several hours. She's good at handling boredom.
>
>I think she did that too. Whether for her own initiative or in DD's
>orders but I think McGonagall might have returned few times to PD,
>although not many to realise how mistreated Harry was. (and to spend
>some time with Figg's cats :) )
I doubt that McGonagall was that fond of ordinary cats, or even of
half-kneazles. But it wouldn't take more than an hour or so at
Mrs Figg's house for McGonagall to decide that Harry was healthy
enough and not a destructive person.
But I wonder what kneazles think of McGonagall. A human whose
inner nature is such that she takes a form like theirs... would she
be treated as a minor celebrity among them, or just an embarrassment,
a kind of human wannabe?
=Tamar
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| Re: potter friends [message #238989 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 10:12 |
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On 20 Mar 2006 01:37:03 -0800, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net>
wrote:
>Ya know, Toon - here in America we have this thingey called "stalking".
> Which, in fact, I have issues with "hate crimes" in general and
>"stalking" rather specifically. I ask, how do you distinguish between
>feelings of hate and feelings of despise? If I kick a Slytherin, is it
>a "hate crime" or a "despise crime"? And can or should a violent act
>based on a feeling of disgust be penalized at a greater rate than a
>similar violent act based on an intererest in financial gain?
Known Attitude. If you're known to have a problem with somebody, like
Malfoys vs Weasleys, it's a despise crime. If you don't even know the
victim, it's hate, because you targeted some random and pointless
thing. Religion, color, nationality, political leanings, etc.
The penalty is based on action towards, and reasons for. ie, if the
victim gave your little sister a diary that got her possesed by the
greatest evil ever, you're a bit more justified in turning the dude's
son into a slug than targeting someone for being poor.
>Nevertheless, it is very wierd and creepy that you never agree with me
>but rarely fail to make a note of my postings. Very creepy indeed.
Well, quit being so wrong all the time, and I'll agree with you more.
=}:^P
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| Re: potter friends [message #238991 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 10:16 |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:59:59 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Bob Fos wrote:
>> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
>> school or at home
>>
>
>It would seem to me that since no one KNEW what really happened to
>RIDDLE - that placing Harry in protection was a logical move. That could
>easily be explained to EVERYONE involved.
>
>And even then - we just don't know if anyone was interested in Harry's
>wellfare becasue it isn't really mentioned. I am sure one could have
>gone to DD to get updates since he was having HARRY watched.
>
>SOme would think McGOnagal would have been interested - even though she
>was not yet his teacher or head of his house (Before the sorting - I'll
>bet there were a lot of guesses going on). However - with McGOnagle
>close to DD - she could have easily known without US knowing it. Same
>thing with Hagrid. McGOnagle had a major advantage there too - she could
>become a cat and go visit without revealing herself - my guess is that
>Hagrid didn't go because - well - he might have been a little obvious.
>(Gee who was that GIANT who came by yesterday - WHat GIANT?)
Mrs. Figg was a squib all along, watched over Harry, and has
cats/Kneazles/presumably hybrids. McG could have been a cat there at
any time, since I doubt all Figgy's cats are present at the same time
24/7 for Harry to notice one more or one less.
Course, we know she hasn't because DD was a bit surprised to see
Harry's treatment when he showed up, but was grateful he was alive and
well.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238992 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 10:19 |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:16:23 -0000, dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney)
wrote:
>I think that is probably how it worked. DD told people that Harry
>was being raised by relatives in a magically protected situation
>and he may even have said that they shouldn't disturb the magical
>protection. The occasional wizard may have gone to get a quick
>look, like a tourist being thrilled to see a famous person on the
>street but not quite daring to approach.
Would explain how V knew yet never went there. And Dobby intercepted
Harry's letters. What if a DD did the same if anybody ever tried? if
Dobby could, DD certainly can.
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| Re: potter friends [message #238995 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 10:44 |
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Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> There are hyenoid activities here that I consider worse than stalking
> because they waste my time and bandwidth. For example, there seem to be
> hyenic creatures who, upon waking, go out to mark their self-perceived
> territory in alt.fan.harry-potter. They sniff at a new posting (preferably
> a long one), lift their hind leg...
Commander Janeway couldn't have put this much better herself, although
I imagine she might have gone on at greater length. Star Trek may
finally be ded, ded, ded but obviously tech-babble has assumed a life
of it's own.
Dave
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| Re: potter friends [message #238997 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 11:04 |
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Toon wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2006 01:37:03 -0800, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net>
> wrote:
> Known Attitude. If you're known to have a problem with somebody, like
> Malfoys vs Weasleys, it's a despise crime. If you don't even know the
> victim, it's hate, because you targeted some random and pointless
> thing. Religion, color, nationality, political leanings, etc.
Toon, is anybody home? Let's have a look at you list here:
Religion
color
nationality
political leanings
Let's leave religion aside for a moment. Isn't "political leanings"
qualitatively different from race or nationality? I can't help having
clear ice-blue eyes and florid, caucasian skin. I also cannot help
being, up to now, of course, being a citizen of the USA of German /
"Pennsylvania Dutch" extraction.
Are you telling me that "political leanings" are similarly something
that I "can't help"? That I am born with and am powerless to change?
Whew - for a while there I was beginning to feel that there was
something wrong with me because I percieved Jesse Jackson to be a
semi-literate. But now I am assured that my "bigotry" is simply part
of my ethnic heritage.
How can I justly be punished for committing a "hate crime" when I am
simply celebrating who I am?
Dave
As to religion - I left it aside because there is real confusion as to
what degree religious belief is actually a rational "choice". I belong
to a minority that hold that religious belief is indeed a rational
choice for which each of us should be held accountable. Almost every
one of those in my minority picked "none of the above" when asked to
buy in to a supernatural account of the beginning and ending of
everything.
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| Re: potter friends [message #239075 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 18:30 |
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Bob Fos wrote:
> why didn't any of james and lilly friends every try to see harry at
> school or at home
DD didn't want them to. But some of them did. in book one harry thinks
about people that often wave and then dissapear. Why they didn't talk
to him is another question.
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: potter friends [message #239104 ] |
Di, 21 März 2006 21:22 |
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This may sound a little offbeat, however, there is no guarantee that
children of two wizards must necessarily grow up into a wizard. They
could be a squib or they need not have any magical powers at all. So am
sure the wizarding community (Dumbledore in this instance) took the
steps to give a normal upbringing to Harry to give him all chances to
get used to the Muggle world. Needless to say, with James and Lily as
parents and Voldemort given scar, there was hardly any chance that
Harry would be a Muggle.
Given that, it does seem a little strange that Lily did not seem to
have as many close friends as James seemed to have. Is that because
this series seems Male centric in character development, for eg we know
a lot about Dumbledore, but hardly anything about Minerva. Lots about
Hagrid, but in comparison very little about Trelawney.
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