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Why Use Initals [message #238553] Sa, 18 März 2006 10:29
Toon  
Sure, externally it's to keep us guessing. But internally, wouldn't
RAB want Voldemort to know hoe he is right away? Sort of like how
John Hancock wrote his name extra large to make sure King George knew
he, John, was against him. Shouldn't his name be proudly displayed,
rather than cryptically written, considering no DE knew of every other
DE, and therefore, feasibly, any number of RAB's could exist.

it's make better sense if he wrote it like this:
Regalus
Alphod
Black
and the note as damaged and only the initials were left.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247630 ] Do, 13 April 2006 06:07
The Magic Engineer  
"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
news:4jkn121ieber9tktk7el9mh1hqke8a4s38 [at] 4ax.com...
> Sure, externally it's to keep us guessing. But internally, wouldn't
> RAB want Voldemort to know hoe he is right away? Sort of like how
> John Hancock wrote his name extra large to make sure King George knew
> he, John, was against him. Shouldn't his name be proudly displayed,
> rather than cryptically written, considering no DE knew of every other
> DE, and therefore, feasibly, any number of RAB's could exist.
>
> it's make better sense if he wrote it like this:
> Regalus
> Alphod
> Black
> and the note as damaged and only the initials were left.

What if he was afraid of retribution on the rest of his family for
the deeds he did? He might have wanted to take the hit for everyone
else and spare the rest of the Black family, so they could do
Voldemort in at the proper time.

TME (heh)


--
"Disintegration is a 'slight bummer'?"
-Raj, "Camp Lazlo"
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247648 ] Do, 13 April 2006 09:51
Toon  
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:07:26 -0500, "The Magic Engineer" <pem &( [at]
comcastic!> wrote:

>
>"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
>news:4jkn121ieber9tktk7el9mh1hqke8a4s38 [at] 4ax.com...
>> Sure, externally it's to keep us guessing. But internally, wouldn't
>> RAB want Voldemort to know hoe he is right away? Sort of like how
>> John Hancock wrote his name extra large to make sure King George knew
>> he, John, was against him. Shouldn't his name be proudly displayed,
>> rather than cryptically written, considering no DE knew of every other
>> DE, and therefore, feasibly, any number of RAB's could exist.
>>
>> it's make better sense if he wrote it like this:
>> Regalus
>> Alphod
>> Black
>> and the note as damaged and only the initials were left.
>
>What if he was afraid of retribution on the rest of his family for
>the deeds he did? He might have wanted to take the hit for everyone
>else and spare the rest of the Black family, so they could do
>Voldemort in at the proper time.
>
>TME (heh)

Possibly. But whoever RAB is, he/she's convinced the initials alone
will single them out. Which is weird, since no DE knew every other
DE. Big chance that RAB will indicate only one person, especially
since Ragalus shares an ancestral name. What if V thought RAB was a
different RAB, or maybe a different RB,a nd enver thought much of the
middle name?

So, maybe RAB is not RAB, but trying to frame RAB? Get RAB AKed?
Start a civil war amongst the DE's? Cripple them by eliminating the
topnotch DE of them all, the second in command as it were?
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247714 ] Fr, 14 April 2006 19:37
The Magic Engineer  
"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
news:2j0s321a7dtas95brt4i052mjnl3tl975v [at] 4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:07:26 -0500, "The Magic Engineer" <pem &( [at]
> comcastic!> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
>>news:4jkn121ieber9tktk7el9mh1hqke8a4s38 [at] 4ax.com...
>>> Sure, externally it's to keep us guessing. But internally, wouldn't
>>> RAB want Voldemort to know hoe he is right away? Sort of like how
>>> John Hancock wrote his name extra large to make sure King George knew
>>> he, John, was against him. Shouldn't his name be proudly displayed,
>>> rather than cryptically written, considering no DE knew of every other
>>> DE, and therefore, feasibly, any number of RAB's could exist.
>>>
>>> it's make better sense if he wrote it like this:
>>> Regalus
>>> Alphod
>>> Black
>>> and the note as damaged and only the initials were left.
>>
>>What if he was afraid of retribution on the rest of his family for
>>the deeds he did? He might have wanted to take the hit for everyone
>>else and spare the rest of the Black family, so they could do
>>Voldemort in at the proper time.
>>
>>TME (heh)
>
> Possibly. But whoever RAB is, he/she's convinced the initials alone
> will single them out. Which is weird, since no DE knew every other
> DE. Big chance that RAB will indicate only one person, especially
> since Ragalus shares an ancestral name. What if V thought RAB was a
> different RAB, or maybe a different RB,a nd enver thought much of the
> middle name?
>
> So, maybe RAB is not RAB, but trying to frame RAB? Get RAB AKed?
> Start a civil war amongst the DE's? Cripple them by eliminating the
> topnotch DE of them all, the second in command as it were?

Oooh, I see your point... framing RAB would KO any thoughts of
tracking down the real DE who did the deed, thereby allowing the
DE - or the real culprit - escape from becoming MIA or AK'd by V or
other DE's.

So it's possible that the person who wrote RAB isn't really RAB, and
really wanted to prevent a WWII (Wizard War Two) ASAP by siccing
the DE's on each other.

AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment. IIRC, he was getting
close - kinda like being an LT. Either way, implicating RAB could
be considered a stroke of genius for whomever it turns out to truly be.

I like that line of logic!

--
"Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on
the QT in case it leaks to the VC, you could end up MIA and we'd
be put out on KP.

Robin Williams, >Good Morning Vietnam<
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247726 ] Fr, 14 April 2006 20:49
Kish  
The Magic Engineer wrote:

> AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
> DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment.

We don't know who RAB was, still, so we have no idea.

Regulus Black, on the other hand, Sirius thinks was a low-ranking Death
Eater, not even worth Voldemort's time to kill personally. We don't
know if Sirius was right, but we have no other information on Regulus'
status.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247747 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 00:56
sjmcarter  
I just had the most crazy idea (bare with me here): Sirius said his
brother Regulus went MIA. What if RAB really was Regulus, but in the
process of destroying the horcrux he sustained a fatal injury, but was
still strong enough to transfigure himself before he died. Of course,
this is where that crazy idea dies, because the books suggest that
whatever magic one performs during life does not hold after death (and
perhaps even when weakened or unconscious), so it's not likely he
transfigured himself into anything. However, what if he had another
creature (non wizard) capable of performing magic that helped him get
the horcrux, like a hag or something. Upon his death, it transfigured
the body into the locket and note, with RAB as initials of the dead
wizard as well as his final parting message to Voldemort. OK, yeah I
know, it's really out there, but fun to think about all the same.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247752 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 01:30
Lady Grey  
Toon wrote:
> Sure, externally it's to keep us guessing. But internally, wouldn't
> RAB want Voldemort to know hoe he is right away? Sort of like how

Assuming Sirius was right about Regulus being a low-ranking DE that
doesn't mean that LV didn't know his name. LV might have known everyone
DE's name and background but still not concidered then important enough
to kill himself upon their dissertation.

> John Hancock wrote his name extra large to make sure King George knew
> he, John, was against him. Shouldn't his name be proudly displayed,
> rather than cryptically written, considering no DE knew of every other
> DE, and therefore, feasibly, any number of RAB's could exist.

But LV was the only one who knew all the DEs.

> it's make better sense if he wrote it like this:
> Regalus
> Alphod
> Black
> and the note as damaged and only the initials were left.

Except I heard RAB's middle name was Arcturus, after another relative
who appears on the Black Family Tree.

--
Jane Grey
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247753 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 01:39
Lady Grey  
Kish wrote:
> The Magic Engineer wrote:
>
> > AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
> > DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment.

doubt LV had a 2nd in command, just minions and lesser minions i reckon
:)

> We don't know who RAB was, still, so we have no idea.

i think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B. shows, beyond all
reasonable doubt, that RAB is Regulus Arcturus Black. The question is
though, which Regulus Arcturus Black? (The back family tree shows that
Sirius had a great uncle with the same name as his brother). My money
would be on Sirius' brother.

> Regulus Black, on the other hand, Sirius thinks was a low-ranking Death
> Eater, not even worth Voldemort's time to kill personally. We don't
> know if Sirius was right, but we have no other information on Regulus'
> status.

I think LV would have known who all his DEs were (regardless of their
rank) and something of their background. I mean there must be some sort
of initisation where LV burns the Dark Mark on. Also i don't see LV as
trusting his DEs enough to be confident that they won't accidentally
recruit a spy; LV probably personally Legimens DEs before letting them
join.

--
Jane Grey
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247771 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 03:12
drusilla  
The Magic Engineer escribió:
> Oooh, I see your point... framing RAB would KO any thoughts of
> tracking down the real DE who did the deed, thereby allowing the
> DE - or the real culprit - escape from becoming MIA or AK'd by V or
> other DE's.
>
> So it's possible that the person who wrote RAB isn't really RAB, and
> really wanted to prevent a WWII (Wizard War Two) ASAP by siccing
> the DE's on each other.
>
> AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
> DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment. IIRC, he was getting
> close - kinda like being an LT. Either way, implicating RAB could
> be considered a stroke of genius for whomever it turns out to truly be.
>
> I like that line of logic!

WTF? (really, WTH is MIA and ASAP?)

D.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247775 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 03:50
Froggy  
"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e1ph9b$7j8$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
> The Magic Engineer escribió:
>> Oooh, I see your point... framing RAB would KO any thoughts of
>> tracking down the real DE who did the deed, thereby allowing the
>> DE - or the real culprit - escape from becoming MIA or AK'd by V or
>> other DE's.
>>
>> So it's possible that the person who wrote RAB isn't really RAB, and
>> really wanted to prevent a WWII (Wizard War Two) ASAP by siccing
>> the DE's on each other.
>>
>> AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
>> DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment. IIRC, he was getting
>> close - kinda like being an LT. Either way, implicating RAB could
>> be considered a stroke of genius for whomever it turns out to truly be.
>>
>> I like that line of logic!
>
> WTF? (really, WTH is MIA and ASAP?)
>
> D.
>

Mia=missing in action
asap=as soon as possible
--
~Froggy~
(*)(*)
(--------)
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247785 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 10:42
Toon  
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:37:45 -0500, "The Magic Engineer" <pem &( [at]
comcastic!> wrote:

>AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
>DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment. IIRC, he was getting
>close - kinda like being an LT. Either way, implicating RAB could
>be considered a stroke of genius for whomever it turns out to truly be.


Accoridng to the book summaries, it was Sirus Black. And we all know
how that turned out. So, we don't know who the next one is, just that
he/she never tried to take over the DE's.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247786 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 10:44
Toon  
On 14 Apr 2006 16:39:24 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>Kish wrote:
>> The Magic Engineer wrote:
>>
>> > AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
>> > DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment.
>
>doubt LV had a 2nd in command, just minions and lesser minions i reckon
>:)
>
>> We don't know who RAB was, still, so we have no idea.
>
>i think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B. shows, beyond all
>reasonable doubt, that RAB is Regulus Arcturus Black. The question is
>though, which Regulus Arcturus Black? (The back family tree shows that
>Sirius had a great uncle with the same name as his brother). My money
>would be on Sirius' brother.
>
>> Regulus Black, on the other hand, Sirius thinks was a low-ranking Death
>> Eater, not even worth Voldemort's time to kill personally. We don't
>> know if Sirius was right, but we have no other information on Regulus'
>> status.
>
>I think LV would have known who all his DEs were (regardless of their
>rank) and something of their background. I mean there must be some sort
>of initisation where LV burns the Dark Mark on. Also i don't see LV as
>trusting his DEs enough to be confident that they won't accidentally
>recruit a spy; LV probably personally Legimens DEs before letting them
>join.

And it worked so well with Snape. And RAB.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247787 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 10:46
Toon  
On 14 Apr 2006 16:30:58 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>Assuming Sirius was right about Regulus being a low-ranking DE that
>doesn't mean that LV didn't know his name. LV might have known everyone
>DE's name and background but still not concidered then important enough
>to kill himself upon their dissertation.

Right. and RAB knew that his initials would give him away, and shock
Vodlemort. So, why use initials if he's expecting to be found out?
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247790 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 11:18
Lady Grey  
Toon wrote:
<snip>
> >I think LV would have known who all his DEs were (regardless of their
> >rank) and something of their background. I mean there must be some sort
> >of initisation where LV burns the Dark Mark on. Also i don't see LV as
> >trusting his DEs enough to be confident that they won't accidentally
> >recruit a spy; LV probably personally Legimens DEs before letting them
> >join.
>
> And it worked so well with Snape. And RAB.

Those two were devoted upon joining so there was nothing for LV to find
out... they just changed their minds later down the road. Snape has
been deceiving LV sucessfully since turning on him but Snape is a
special case because he is supposed to be extra crafty at Occulumancy.

--
Jane Grey
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247791 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 11:24
Lady Grey  
Toon wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2006 16:30:58 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Assuming Sirius was right about Regulus being a low-ranking DE that
> >doesn't mean that LV didn't know his name. LV might have known everyone
> >DE's name and background but still not concidered then important enough
> >to kill himself upon their dissertation.
>
> Right. and RAB knew that his initials would give him away, and shock
> Vodlemort. So, why use initials if he's expecting to be found out?

RAB wanted LV to know who had stolen and destroyed his horcrux, RAB
didn't expect that LV would check on his hidden horcrux for a while, we
can deduced this because RAB wrote something like, "when you get this
message I will be long dead...".

RAB knew that DEs were after him for dissertation, he knew that they
would track him down soon. I think he had heard about the prophecy and
he wanted to try and make LV a mortal man with the short time he had
left before he reckoned a DE would catch up with him. Maybe RAB thought
the locket was LV's only horcrux.

--
Jane Grey
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247795 ] Sa, 15 April 2006 12:40
Mark Evans  
Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2006 16:39:24 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>I think LV would have known who all his DEs were (regardless of their
>>rank) and something of their background. I mean there must be some sort
>>of initisation where LV burns the Dark Mark on. Also i don't see LV as
>>trusting his DEs enough to be confident that they won't accidentally
>>recruit a spy; LV probably personally Legimens DEs before letting them
>>join.
>
> And it worked so well with Snape. And RAB.

It's quite plausable that RAB was Regulus Black. Who turned
against LV on discovering that his "hero" was not who he
appeared to be.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247830 ] So, 16 April 2006 03:29
drusilla  
Froggy escribió:
> "drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e1ph9b$7j8$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>> The Magic Engineer escribió:
>>> Oooh, I see your point... framing RAB would KO any thoughts of
>>> tracking down the real DE who did the deed, thereby allowing the
>>> DE - or the real culprit - escape from becoming MIA or AK'd by V or
>>> other DE's.
>>>
>>> So it's possible that the person who wrote RAB isn't really RAB, and
>>> really wanted to prevent a WWII (Wizard War Two) ASAP by siccing
>>> the DE's on each other.
>>>
>>> AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
>>> DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment. IIRC, he was getting
>>> close - kinda like being an LT. Either way, implicating RAB could
>>> be considered a stroke of genius for whomever it turns out to truly be.
>>>
>>> I like that line of logic!
>> WTF? (really, WTH is MIA and ASAP?)
>>
>> D.
>>
>
> Mia=missing in action
> asap=as soon as possible

Oh, thanks, LOL
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247833 ] So, 16 April 2006 04:47
wadkin2000  
Mark Evans wrote:
> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
> > On 14 Apr 2006 16:39:24 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I think LV would have known who all his DEs were (regardless of their
> >>rank) and something of their background. I mean there must be some sort
> >>of initisation where LV burns the Dark Mark on. Also i don't see LV as
> >>trusting his DEs enough to be confident that they won't accidentally
> >>recruit a spy; LV probably personally Legimens DEs before letting them
> >>join.
> >
> > And it worked so well with Snape. And RAB.
>
> It's quite plausable that RAB was Regulus Black. Who turned
> against LV on discovering that his "hero" was not who he
> appeared to be.


It wouldn't surprise me if V did Legilimens all his recruits. I don't
think it's a question of it not working well with Snape or Regulus. If
V did Legilimens Snape and Regulus upon their initiation as death
eaters, I think, at that time, he would have found their allegiance to
be unwavering. Just because their loyalty did an about face later on,
doesn't mean that LV's methods of determining faithfulness was
unsuccessful.

Also, I really don't think that Regulus knew about the prophecy at all.
IMO, I think that Regulus did get in too deep, as Sirius said, and
didn't like what he was being asked to do. The only nagging statement,
for me, is when Sirius said that RAB wasn't important enough to be
killed by V personally. Now, perhaps, he wasn't killed by V himself,
but for some reason, what Sirius said leads me to believe that maybe
Regulus WAS important in the death eaters.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247839 ] So, 16 April 2006 09:08
Toon  
On 15 Apr 2006 19:47:50 -0700, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Mark Evans wrote:
>> Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>> > On 14 Apr 2006 16:39:24 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I think LV would have known who all his DEs were (regardless of their
>> >>rank) and something of their background. I mean there must be some sort
>> >>of initisation where LV burns the Dark Mark on. Also i don't see LV as
>> >>trusting his DEs enough to be confident that they won't accidentally
>> >>recruit a spy; LV probably personally Legimens DEs before letting them
>> >>join.
>> >
>> > And it worked so well with Snape. And RAB.
>>
>> It's quite plausable that RAB was Regulus Black. Who turned
>> against LV on discovering that his "hero" was not who he
>> appeared to be.
>
>
>It wouldn't surprise me if V did Legilimens all his recruits. I don't
>think it's a question of it not working well with Snape or Regulus. If
>V did Legilimens Snape and Regulus upon their initiation as death
>eaters, I think, at that time, he would have found their allegiance to
>be unwavering. Just because their loyalty did an about face later on,
>doesn't mean that LV's methods of determining faithfulness was
>unsuccessful.
>
>Also, I really don't think that Regulus knew about the prophecy at all.
>IMO, I think that Regulus did get in too deep, as Sirius said, and
>didn't like what he was being asked to do. The only nagging statement,
>for me, is when Sirius said that RAB wasn't important enough to be
>killed by V personally. Now, perhaps, he wasn't killed by V himself,
>but for some reason, what Sirius said leads me to believe that maybe
>Regulus WAS important in the death eaters.

Well, RAB seems to be quite important. Eough so that his initials
alone are a dead give away to Voldemort, and the fact that he, RAB,
did this, is something V would never have suspected. So, either he's
the most loyalest DE ever, or is a DE believed to be of such gross
incompetence that even Voldie knew how awful he was. So, for either
of these two types to pull off a horcrux snatch and break, is saying a
lot. and the ultimate thumb nosing to V.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247840 ] So, 16 April 2006 09:15
Toon  
On 15 Apr 2006 02:24:33 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On 14 Apr 2006 16:30:58 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Assuming Sirius was right about Regulus being a low-ranking DE that
>> >doesn't mean that LV didn't know his name. LV might have known everyone
>> >DE's name and background but still not concidered then important enough
>> >to kill himself upon their dissertation.
>>
>> Right. and RAB knew that his initials would give him away, and shock
>> Vodlemort. So, why use initials if he's expecting to be found out?
>
>RAB wanted LV to know who had stolen and destroyed his horcrux, RAB
>didn't expect that LV would check on his hidden horcrux for a while, we
>can deduced this because RAB wrote something like, "when you get this
>message I will be long dead...".
>
>RAB knew that DEs were after him for dissertation, he knew that they
>would track him down soon. I think he had heard about the prophecy and
>he wanted to try and make LV a mortal man with the short time he had
>left before he reckoned a DE would catch up with him. Maybe RAB thought
>the locket was LV's only horcrux.

Still avoiding the question. Why use initials when he/she clearly
wanted to be known? When Voldemort finally checks it out, and reads
the letter, RAB is supposed to mean one specific DE. Someone who as
never viewed as capable/willing to do this, and will really PO the
boss off. So, why not state his/her name straight off the bat? Don't
even allow for a consideration. "RAB? RAB? Oh, right!" Just flat out
say it. So and So destroyed your precious horcrux. Happy Death.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247867 ] So, 16 April 2006 16:30
Lady Grey  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Mark Evans wrote:
> > Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
> > > On 14 Apr 2006 16:39:24 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
<snip>
> Also, I really don't think that Regulus knew about the prophecy at all.

reconcider RAB's note. the phrasing of the line "I face death in the
hope that when you meet your match you will be mortal once more." makes
it seems like RAB knew that someone was prophesied to be LV's
equal/match.

> IMO, I think that Regulus did get in too deep, as Sirius said, and
> didn't like what he was being asked to do.

i agree, but i also think that he didn't just try and back out, he was
going to try and take some of LV's plans for immortality with him.

> The only nagging statement,
> for me, is when Sirius said that RAB wasn't important enough to be
> killed by V personally. Now, perhaps, he wasn't killed by V himself,

RAB would have been one of the youngest DEs and I even if he was
particularly talented magically I don't see any reason to not take
Sirius literally.

> but for some reason, what Sirius said leads me to believe that maybe
> Regulus WAS important in the death eaters.

you think JKR is trying out a red herring? nah, not subtle enough, IMO

--
Jane Grey
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247868 ] So, 16 April 2006 16:33
Lady Grey  
Toon wrote:
> On 15 Apr 2006 02:24:33 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
<snip>
> Still avoiding the question. Why use initials when he/she clearly
> wanted to be known? When Voldemort finally checks it out, and reads
> the letter, RAB is supposed to mean one specific DE. Someone who as
> never viewed as capable/willing to do this, and will really PO the
> boss off. So, why not state his/her name straight off the bat? Don't
> even allow for a consideration. "RAB? RAB? Oh, right!" Just flat out
> say it. So and So destroyed your precious horcrux. Happy Death.

oh right, i get the question now! hmm, good question! ... no idea apart
from the obviuos story external one... hmm JKR slipped up here, or
maybe RAB didn't want anyone else who stumbled across it (like AD and
harry) to know who he was.

--
Jane Grey
Re: Why Use Initals [message #247907 ] Mo, 17 April 2006 10:03
Toon  
On 16 Apr 2006 07:33:54 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On 15 Apr 2006 02:24:33 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
>> wrote:
><snip>
>> Still avoiding the question. Why use initials when he/she clearly
>> wanted to be known? When Voldemort finally checks it out, and reads
>> the letter, RAB is supposed to mean one specific DE. Someone who as
>> never viewed as capable/willing to do this, and will really PO the
>> boss off. So, why not state his/her name straight off the bat? Don't
>> even allow for a consideration. "RAB? RAB? Oh, right!" Just flat out
>> say it. So and So destroyed your precious horcrux. Happy Death.
>
>oh right, i get the question now! hmm, good question! ... no idea apart
>from the obviuos story external one... hmm JKR slipped up here, or
>maybe RAB didn't want anyone else who stumbled across it (like AD and
>harry) to know who he was.

I doubt they expected anyone else to find it. It's not exactly in
King's Cross station, you know.
Re: Why Use Initals [message #253101 ] So, 23 April 2006 02:22
The Magic Engineer  
"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e1s6jm$bco$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
> Froggy escribió:
>> "drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message
>> news:e1ph9b$7j8$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>>> The Magic Engineer escribió:
>>>> Oooh, I see your point... framing RAB would KO any thoughts of
>>>> tracking down the real DE who did the deed, thereby allowing the
>>>> DE - or the real culprit - escape from becoming MIA or AK'd by V or
>>>> other DE's.
>>>>
>>>> So it's possible that the person who wrote RAB isn't really RAB, and
>>>> really wanted to prevent a WWII (Wizard War Two) ASAP by siccing
>>>> the DE's on each other.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
>>>> DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment. IIRC, he was getting
>>>> close - kinda like being an LT. Either way, implicating RAB could
>>>> be considered a stroke of genius for whomever it turns out to truly
>>>> be.
>>>>
>>>> I like that line of logic!
>>> WTF? (really, WTH is MIA and ASAP?)
>>>
>>> D.
>>>
>>
>> Mia=missing in action
>> asap=as soon as possible
>
> Oh, thanks, LOL

See, here I was going off like Toon was, making sure to dump in
as many initials/acroynms as possible... and then the rest of you
go and make the post all 'serious' on us.. hehehe..

Anyway, I kinda still like the idea that sure, RAB= Regulus, but it
might not necessarily have been him who swapped the locket. It
still could very well be a frameup - several people have stated,
'How could he (RAB) have known about the prophecy?'

Well... how could he have?
Or... who else >could< know about the prophecy?

The key to this, I think, isn't so much who RAB is, but who knew
enough about what V was doing with the horcruxes, and who either
a) suddenly had a change of heart about what he/she was doing
as a DE or
2) wanted to stop V, or help whomever could stop V, at all
costs - presumably knowing about the prophecy.

So let's brainstorm.

Who could possibly know about the prophecy? DE and non DE alike.
Who among these people would have the means and the motive to
get at the locket, destroy it, and leave an incriminating note?

Time to play CSI.... Who wants to be Grissom?

TME

--
"Disintegration is a 'slight bummer'?"
-Raj, "Camp Lazlo"
Re: Why Use Initals [message #253102 ] So, 23 April 2006 02:27
The Magic Engineer  
"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
news:osi642trltd7ijtjc7vm91g6cb8doqcvsc [at] 4ax.com...
> On 16 Apr 2006 07:33:54 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Toon wrote:
>>> On 15 Apr 2006 02:24:33 -0700, "Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>><snip>
>>> Still avoiding the question. Why use initials when he/she clearly
>>> wanted to be known? When Voldemort finally checks it out, and reads
>>> the letter, RAB is supposed to mean one specific DE. Someone who as
>>> never viewed as capable/willing to do this, and will really PO the
>>> boss off. So, why not state his/her name straight off the bat? Don't
>>> even allow for a consideration. "RAB? RAB? Oh, right!" Just flat out
>>> say it. So and So destroyed your precious horcrux. Happy Death.
>>
>>oh right, i get the question now! hmm, good question! ... no idea apart
>>from the obviuos story external one... hmm JKR slipped up here, or
>>maybe RAB didn't want anyone else who stumbled across it (like AD and
>>harry) to know who he was.
>
> I doubt they expected anyone else to find it. It's not exactly in
> King's Cross station, you know.

I wonder if we're really going to meet the person who destroyed/
stole the locket in the next book. I mean, let's look at how other
stories have played out:

Who knew that Barty Crouch, Jr. was still alive?
Who knew that Rita Skeeter was an animagus?
Who knew that Quirrell had two faces?
Who knew that Ginny was possessed?

We didn't until it was revealed.. sure, there were snippets and hints,
but can any of us say, "Oh yeah, I figured that out a long time ago.."

We're all dead positive that RAB= Regulus, but like Toon is hinting...
>Did< Regulus actually do the deed??

Damn nice question, Toon... It'll keep me wondering until I get the
7th book.

TME

--
"Disintegration is a 'slight bummer'?"
-Raj, "Camp Lazlo"
Re: Why Use Initals [message #253106 ] So, 23 April 2006 04:16
wadkin2000  
The Magic Engineer ( [at] comcastic!>) wrote:
> "drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e1s6jm$bco$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
> > Froggy escribi=F3:
> >> "drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message
> >> news:e1ph9b$7j8$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
> >>> The Magic Engineer escribi=F3:
> >>>> Oooh, I see your point... framing RAB would KO any thoughts of
> >>>> tracking down the real DE who did the deed, thereby allowing the
> >>>> DE - or the real culprit - escape from becoming MIA or AK'd by V or
> >>>> other DE's.
> >>>>
> >>>> So it's possible that the person who wrote RAB isn't really RAB, and
> >>>> really wanted to prevent a WWII (Wizard War Two) ASAP by siccing
> >>>> the DE's on each other.
> >>>>
> >>>> AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
> >>>> DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment. IIRC, he was getting
> >>>> close - kinda like being an LT. Either way, implicating RAB could
> >>>> be considered a stroke of genius for whomever it turns out to truly
> >>>> be.
> >>>>
> >>>> I like that line of logic!
> >>> WTF? (really, WTH is MIA and ASAP?)
> >>>
> >>> D.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Mia=3Dmissing in action
> >> asap=3Das soon as possible
> >
> > Oh, thanks, LOL
>
> See, here I was going off like Toon was, making sure to dump in
> as many initials/acroynms as possible... and then the rest of you
> go and make the post all 'serious' on us.. hehehe..
>
> Anyway, I kinda still like the idea that sure, RAB=3D Regulus, but it
> might not necessarily have been him who swapped the locket. It
> still could very well be a frameup - several people have stated,
> 'How could he (RAB) have known about the prophecy?'
>
> Well... how could he have?
> Or... who else >could< know about the prophecy?
>
> The key to this, I think, isn't so much who RAB is, but who knew
> enough about what V was doing with the horcruxes, and who either
> a) suddenly had a change of heart about what he/she was doing
> as a DE or
> 2) wanted to stop V, or help whomever could stop V, at all
> costs - presumably knowing about the prophecy.
>
> So let's brainstorm.
>
> Who could possibly know about the prophecy? DE and non DE alike.
> Who among these people would have the means and the motive to
> get at the locket, destroy it, and leave an incriminating note?
>
> Time to play CSI.... Who wants to be Grissom?
>
> TME
>
> --
> "Disintegration is a 'slight bummer'?"
> -Raj, "Camp Lazlo"


Snape & Regulus? Their Hogwarts years did overlap. Maybe Regulus is
now one of the Inferi in the cave!
Re: Why Use Initals [message #253107 ] So, 23 April 2006 07:02
Toon  
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:22:35 -0500, "The Magic Engineer" <pem &( [at]
comcastic!> wrote:

>
>Anyway, I kinda still like the idea that sure, RAB= Regulus, but it
>might not necessarily have been him who swapped the locket. It
>still could very well be a frameup - several people have stated,
>'How could he (RAB) have known about the prophecy?'
>
>Well... how could he have?
>Or... who else >could< know about the prophecy?

Maybe he was so low on the totem pole, Vodlemrot blabbed about it to
whoever he trusted, and RAB was just there, perhaps janitorial duty or
what not, and he became privy to all V's critical, need to know info.

Wgoeevr RAB is, he's convinced his initials are a dead giveaway, so,
there can't possibly be to his knowledge another RAB, despite the fact
he can't possibly know all the DE's. RAB also deliberately pointed
out he/she did this, so RAB's convinced V either sees unwavering
loyalty, or gross ineptness. That letter was both a taunting and an
explanation. I, of all people, screwed you over big time. So, that
really only leaves most loyal, or most useless. If I'm missing
something else, let me know.

We also know RAB has every reason to believe Voldiekins will return
for the locket, and open it up. Why? Is V known to do occasional
spot checks? Does the locket contain a powerful secret he checks up
on? Could the locket itself, horcrux or no longer, be the key to
defeating Voldemort?
Re: Why Use Initals [message #253141 ] So, 23 April 2006 17:50
John Duncan Yoyo  
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:22:35 -0500, "The Magic Engineer" <pem &( [at]
comcastic!> wrote:

>
>
>"drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message news:e1s6jm$bco$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>> Froggy escribió:
>>> "drusilla" <me [at] me.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e1ph9b$7j8$1 [at] emma.aioe.org...
>>>> The Magic Engineer escribió:
>>>>> Oooh, I see your point... framing RAB would KO any thoughts of
>>>>> tracking down the real DE who did the deed, thereby allowing the
>>>>> DE - or the real culprit - escape from becoming MIA or AK'd by V or
>>>>> other DE's.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it's possible that the person who wrote RAB isn't really RAB, and
>>>>> really wanted to prevent a WWII (Wizard War Two) ASAP by siccing
>>>>> the DE's on each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK though, I didn't think RAB was the second in command of the
>>>>> DE.. was he? I forget the book at this moment. IIRC, he was getting
>>>>> close - kinda like being an LT. Either way, implicating RAB could
>>>>> be considered a stroke of genius for whomever it turns out to truly
>>>>> be.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like that line of logic!
>>>> WTF? (really, WTH is MIA and ASAP?)
>>>>
>>>> D.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mia=missing in action
>>> asap=as soon as possible
>>
>> Oh, thanks, LOL
>
>See, here I was going off like Toon was, making sure to dump in
>as many initials/acroynms as possible... and then the rest of you
>go and make the post all 'serious' on us.. hehehe..
>
>Anyway, I kinda still like the idea that sure, RAB= Regulus, but it
>might not necessarily have been him who swapped the locket. It
>still could very well be a frameup - several people have stated,
>'How could he (RAB) have known about the prophecy?'
>
>Well... how could he have?
>Or... who else >could< know about the prophecy?
>
>The key to this, I think, isn't so much who RAB is, but who knew
>enough about what V was doing with the horcruxes, and who either
>a) suddenly had a change of heart about what he/she was doing
>as a DE or
>2) wanted to stop V, or help whomever could stop V, at all
>costs - presumably knowing about the prophecy.
>
>So let's brainstorm.
>
>Who could possibly know about the prophecy? DE and non DE alike.
>Who among these people would have the means and the motive to
>get at the locket, destroy it, and leave an incriminating note?
>
>Time to play CSI.... Who wants to be Grissom?
>
>TME

I'll be H.
--
John Duncan Yoyo
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