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Wikipedia [message #238530] Sa, 18 März 2006 03:30
Tuvas  
I've recently come to learn about wikipedia, and have been in some
reguards amazed with the level of detail that it contains with respect
to anything, and sometimes shocked with the lack of knowledge. One of
the best that I've found is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B , about
R.A.B. It's truly amazing. One that I've found lacking is anything
about book 7, previous to my, well, copying of a fair amount of stuff,
there was almost nothing. I'm sure with a bit of work, we could get the
whole thing as amazing as with R.A.B.
Re: Wikipedia [message #238531 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 03:35
Brian  
Tuvas wrote:
> I've recently come to learn about wikipedia, and have been in some
> reguards amazed with the level of detail that it contains with respect
> to anything, and sometimes shocked with the lack of knowledge. One of
> the best that I've found is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B , about
> R.A.B. It's truly amazing. One that I've found lacking is anything
> about book 7, previous to my, well, copying of a fair amount of stuff,
> there was almost nothing. I'm sure with a bit of work, we could get the
> whole thing as amazing as with R.A.B.

You should read the discussion page for Book Seven. There used to be
a lot more stuff on that page, but it was (correctly, in my opinion)
removed as speculation. There are other Wiki pages for Book Seven
speculation, which I don't recall off the top of my head, but I think
they are mentioned on the talk page for Book Seven.

Remember: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site.

--
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Re: Wikipedia [message #238533 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 04:15
Fish Eye no Miko  
Brian Tung wrote:

> Remember: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site.

It is, however, written and edited by people just like you and me, so it's
not always accurate.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"I believe that if anything is worth doing, it would have been done
already."
Re: Wikipedia [message #238534 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 04:17
Brian  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> > Remember: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site.
>
> It is, however, written and edited by people just like you and me, so it's
> not always accurate.

Yes. My comment was not regarding its accuracy, but its purpose. An
encyclopedia, however fallible, is not intended to contain speculation
from fans.

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Re: Wikipedia [message #238536 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 04:43
Tuvas  
If that is the case, then why bother posting about a book that hasn't
even been published yet? Still, there are things that we are at least
90% confident about, and Wikipedia could be a nice way to go about
collecting these facts, without any of the opinions that the fan sites
generally toss in.
Re: Wikipedia [message #238537 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 04:50
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Wikipedia [message #238538 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 04:55
Brian  
Tuvas wrote:
> If that is the case, then why bother posting about a book that hasn't
> even been published yet? Still, there are things that we are at least
> 90% confident about, and Wikipedia could be a nice way to go about
> collecting these facts, without any of the opinions that the fan sites
> generally toss in.

Some of those things are in fact on that page (or were, the last I
checked).

I've seen a list of fairly certain reports about Book Seven on one of
the fan sites, but it's true that it is a bit difficult to find.

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Re: Wikipedia [message #238541 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 05:28
drusilla  
Brian Tung escribió:
> Tuvas wrote:
>> I've recently come to learn about wikipedia, and have been in some
>> reguards amazed with the level of detail that it contains with respect
>> to anything, and sometimes shocked with the lack of knowledge. One of
>> the best that I've found is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B , about
>> R.A.B. It's truly amazing. One that I've found lacking is anything
>> about book 7, previous to my, well, copying of a fair amount of stuff,
>> there was almost nothing. I'm sure with a bit of work, we could get the
>> whole thing as amazing as with R.A.B.
>
> You should read the discussion page for Book Seven. There used to be
> a lot more stuff on that page, but it was (correctly, in my opinion)
> removed as speculation. There are other Wiki pages for Book Seven
> speculation, which I don't recall off the top of my head, but I think
> they are mentioned on the talk page for Book Seven.
>
> Remember: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site.
>
Wikipedia has good and accurate information about HP and the best of
all: neutral :)
Re: Wikipedia [message #238542 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 05:28
drusilla  
Fish Eye no Miko escribió:
> Brian Tung wrote:
>
>> Remember: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site.
>
> It is, however, written and edited by people just like you and me, so it's
> not always accurate.

It's quite more accurate than many sites you see around.
Re: Wikipedia [message #238543 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 06:17
Brian  
drusilla wrote:
> Wikipedia has good and accurate information about HP and the best of
> all: neutral :)

It's supposed to be neutral, but with popular topics, such as Harry
Potter, it can become partial.

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Re: Wikipedia [message #238544 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 06:51
Fish Eye no Miko  
Brian Tung wrote:

> drusilla wrote:
>
>> Wikipedia has good and accurate information about HP and the best
>> of all: neutral :)
>
> It's supposed to be neutral, but with popular topics, such as Harry
> Potter, it can become partial.


That's not the only place. I've heard of famous living people going on to
Wiki to edit out any negative things said in entries about them.

Catherine Johnson.
--
"Damn it, there's so many idiots whose asses I have to kick! I'll have to
start carrying a list just to keep track of them all!"
-Edward Elric, _FullMetal Alchemist_.
Re: Wikipedia [message #238545 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 07:31
Brian  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> That's not the only place. I've heard of famous living people going on to
> Wiki to edit out any negative things said in entries about them.

I know it's not the only place--that's why I said "such as Harry
Potter." :)

There was an example of the reverse a few months ago, a famous case
involving John Siegenthaler, Sr.

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Re: Wikipedia [message #238563 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 14:21
Toon  
On 17 Mar 2006 18:30:14 -0800, "Tuvas" <tuvas21 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>I've recently come to learn about wikipedia, and have been in some
>reguards amazed with the level of detail that it contains with respect
>to anything, and sometimes shocked with the lack of knowledge. One of
>the best that I've found is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B , about
>R.A.B. It's truly amazing. One that I've found lacking is anything
>about book 7, previous to my, well, copying of a fair amount of stuff,
>there was almost nothing. I'm sure with a bit of work, we could get the
>whole thing as amazing as with R.A.B.

There is nothing on Book 7 because there is no Book 7. Can't upload
info that doesn't exist.
Re: Wikipedia [message #238564 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 14:23
Toon  
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:50:08 GMT, IMS <iscott [at] twcny.rr.com> wrote:

>On 17 Mar 2006 18:30:14 -0800, "Tuvas" <tuvas21 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've recently come to learn about wikipedia, and have been in some
>>reguards amazed with the level of detail that it contains with respect
>>to anything, and sometimes shocked with the lack of knowledge. One of
>>the best that I've found is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B , about
>>R.A.B. It's truly amazing. One that I've found lacking is anything
>>about book 7, previous to my, well, copying of a fair amount of stuff,
>>there was almost nothing. I'm sure with a bit of work, we could get the
>>whole thing as amazing as with R.A.B.
>
>
>The problem with Wikipedia is that l iterally anyone who can use a
>computer to access the site can edit entries ant those entries can
>contain factual inaccuracies or present topics in a skewed, biased
>manner.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/18/wikipedia_quality_pr oblem/
>
>http://pyropus.ca/personal/writings/wikipedia.html
>
>
>--------------
>You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
>--Mae West
>--------------

But people there are always going over the info, voting on what to do
with it, to make it as accurate as can be.
Re: Wikipedia [message #238566 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 14:45
Tuvas  
The only thing that Wiki has is the links to the fan sites, nothing
really original. I've been thinking of a way to post what we know about
book 7, in a format that is neutral. Right now the site basically is
wiped clean anytime anyone tries to post "Speculation", so, as it
hasn't been published yet, there's nothing there, at least,
worthwhile...
Re: Wikipedia [message #238591 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 22:46
pooter  
Brian Tung [brian [at] isi.edu] said
> Tuvas wrote:
> > I've recently come to learn about wikipedia, and have been in some
> > reguards amazed with the level of detail that it contains with respect
> > to anything, and sometimes shocked with the lack of knowledge. One of
> > the best that I've found is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.B , about
> > R.A.B. It's truly amazing. One that I've found lacking is anything
> > about book 7, previous to my, well, copying of a fair amount of stuff,
> > there was almost nothing. I'm sure with a bit of work, we could get the
> > whole thing as amazing as with R.A.B.
>
> You should read the discussion page for Book Seven. There used to be
> a lot more stuff on that page, but it was (correctly, in my opinion)
> removed as speculation. There are other Wiki pages for Book Seven
> speculation, which I don't recall off the top of my head, but I think
> they are mentioned on the talk page for Book Seven.
>
> Remember: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site.
>
>

I think "encyclopedia" is rather too strong a word and
"anyoldcrapapedia" might be a more accurate description.
Re: Wikipedia [message #238595 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 23:49
Tuvas  
Well, it can occasionally contain useful information. For any
interested, I started a new outline for the book 7 page, which I hope
will grow, any contributions would be nice.
Re: Wikipedia [message #238626 ] So, 19 März 2006 04:23
Brian  
pooter wrote:
> I think "encyclopedia" is rather too strong a word and
> "anyoldcrapapedia" might be a more accurate description.

So long as the subject matter isn't particularly hot, Wikipedia is
generally pretty good; in some cases (especially in science and
technology), better than paper encyclopedias.

--
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Re: Wikipedia [message #238635 ] So, 19 März 2006 05:24
Ken  
Brian Tung wrote:
> pooter wrote:
>> I think "encyclopedia" is rather too strong a word and
>> "anyoldcrapapedia" might be a more accurate description.
>
> So long as the subject matter isn't particularly hot, Wikipedia is
> generally pretty good; in some cases (especially in science and
> technology), better than paper encyclopedias.

I agree; even on the "hot" topics they do better than most staying neutral.

Ken
Re: Wikipedia [message #238692 ] So, 19 März 2006 16:53
Tuvas  
I would also add that some items of pop culture it tends to do quite
well on, especially if it's older, but still popular, for example,
Klingons.
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