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POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238448] Fr, 17 März 2006 08:51
Toon  
When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and who
lead a similar life, parents gone (though not dead), lives with mean
relative who's always nasty to him. And since these things are never
coincidences, and Neville's part kept growing, he must have a bigger
part to play in the finale.
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238482 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 16:58
John VanSickle  
Toon wrote:

> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and who
> lead a similar life, parents gone (though not dead), lives with mean
> relative who's always nasty to him.

While Grandma Longbottom is somewhat less proud of her grandson than
most grandmothers are, I don't see the level of meanness that the
Dursleys inflict on Harry. Remember, she's been raising him as a son,
and while she's very strict, and apparently wishes he'd been Auror
material like his father was, there's nothing truly nasty about the way
she treats Neville.

Regards,
John
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238485 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 17:18
wadkin2000  
John VanSickle wrote:
> Toon wrote:
>
> > When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
> > Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
> > turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and who
> > lead a similar life, parents gone (though not dead), lives with mean
> > relative who's always nasty to him.
>
> While Grandma Longbottom is somewhat less proud of her grandson than
> most grandmothers are, I don't see the level of meanness that the
> Dursleys inflict on Harry. Remember, she's been raising him as a son,
> and while she's very strict, and apparently wishes he'd been Auror
> material like his father was, there's nothing truly nasty about the way
> she treats Neville.
>
> Regards,
> John


I still find it either extremely coincidental or deliberately planned
that the lines in POA where DD is saying to Harry, "The ones who love
us never really leave us. You can always find them...in here." was, in
the movie, given to Sirius to say.
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238665 ] So, 19 März 2006 10:09
dsueme  
Toon wrote:
> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and...
he must have a bigger
> part to play in the finale.

Sorry to toss water on your parade, but at the POA stage, Neville is
pretty much the poster child for "nebbish", and it makes perfect plot
sense that Harry, when he wants to be insignificant, borrows the name
of the least significant student in his Hogwarts house. The decision
to make Neville the dark horse candidate could just as easily been made
several years hence.

Dave
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238796 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 01:33
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
David Sueme wrote:

> Toon wrote:

>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and... he
>> must have a bigger part to play in the finale.

Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had preferred
Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the prophesy.


> Sorry to toss water on your parade, but at the POA stage, Neville is
> pretty much the poster child for "nebbish", and it makes perfect plot
> sense that Harry, when he wants to be insignificant, borrows the name
> of the least significant student in his Hogwarts house. The decision
> to make Neville the dark horse candidate could just as easily been made
> several years hence.

Neville is not the least significant student in his Hogwarts house - in
his first year he demonstrated his power with a broomstick; then when a
fight broke out at a Quidditch match, Neville fought the heavier Crabbe
*and* Goyle in whirl of fists, while Ron just tackled skinny Malfoy; and
at the end Neville was lauded by the headmaster for his bravery, earning
Gryffindor the House Cup - in the noise that erupted, the trio stood to
yell & cheer as Neville disappeared under a pile of people hugging him.

As for Neville's magical ability, he was only in his second year when
Snape refused to put him in a duelling contest since he's able to cause
devastation with the simplest spells, and they would be sending what was
left of his opponent up to the hospital wing in a matchbox.

It was with good reason that Harry told Neville he was worth twelve of
Malfoy, and this happened long before Harry rode the Knight Bus.


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Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238803 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 02:05
drusilla  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
> David Sueme wrote:
>
>> Toon wrote:
>
>>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and... he
>>> must have a bigger part to play in the finale.
>
> Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had preferred
> Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the prophesy.

We don't know exactly what Harry thuoght at that moment, but surely he
knew that he could have got Ron in Problems in named him and he didn't
want that for his best friend. He didn't care for Neville though or he
thought that the chances of realise it would be nule..
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238830 ] Mo, 20 März 2006 08:18
Kish  
drusilla wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
>
>> David Sueme wrote:
>>
>>> Toon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>>>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>>>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and... he
>>>> must have a bigger part to play in the finale.
>>
>>
>> Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had preferred
>> Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the prophesy.
>
>
> We don't know exactly what Harry thuoght at that moment, but surely he
> knew that he could have got Ron in Problems in named him and he didn't
> want that for his best friend.

I suspect of even more immediate importance to Harry was, "If I claim to
be a member of one of the most prominent pure-blood families, there is a
large risk the driver will know enough to ask, ''Ey, where's your red
hair then?'"
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238933 ] Di, 21 März 2006 01:36
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Drusilla wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> David Sueme wrote:

>>> Toon wrote:

>>>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>>>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>>>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and... he
>>>> must have a bigger part to play in the finale.

>> Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had
>> preferred Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the
>> prophesy.

> We don't know exactly what Harry thuoght at that moment, but surely he
> knew that he could have got Ron in Problems in named him and he didn't
> want that for his best friend. He didn't care for Neville though or he
> thought that the chances of realise it would be nule..

Harry didn't worry about Ron, nor getting anyone in trouble, nor did he
decide that trouble would be okay for Neville. What happened was that
Harry said the first name which came into his head, Neville's.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

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Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238934 ] Di, 21 März 2006 01:37
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Kish wrote:

> drusilla wrote:

>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:

>>> David Sueme wrote:

>>>> Toon wrote:


>>>>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>>>>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>>>>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and... he
>>>>> must have a bigger part to play in the finale.


>>> Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had
>>> preferred Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the
>>> prophesy.


>> We don't know exactly what Harry thuoght at that moment, but surely he
>> knew that he could have got Ron in Problems in named him and he didn't
>> want that for his best friend.

> I suspect of even more immediate importance to Harry was,

He didn't, he said the first name that came into his head.


> "If I claim to be a member of one of the most prominent pure-blood
> families, there is a large risk the driver will know enough to ask,
> ''Ey, where's your red hair then?'"

Who says the Weasleys are one of the most prominent pure-blood families?


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Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238974 ] Di, 21 März 2006 06:30
Kish  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

> Who says the Weasleys are one of the most prominent pure-blood families?

Albus Dumbledore, to Lucius Malfoy, at the end of CoS.
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238987 ] Di, 21 März 2006 10:05
Toon  
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:18:13 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>drusilla wrote:
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
>>
>>> David Sueme wrote:
>>>
>>>> Toon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>>>>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>>>>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and... he
>>>>> must have a bigger part to play in the finale.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had preferred
>>> Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the prophesy.
>>
>>
>> We don't know exactly what Harry thuoght at that moment, but surely he
>> knew that he could have got Ron in Problems in named him and he didn't
>> want that for his best friend.
>
>I suspect of even more immediate importance to Harry was, "If I claim to
>be a member of one of the most prominent pure-blood families, there is a
>large risk the driver will know enough to ask, ''Ey, where's your red
>hair then?'"

"Miscast spell." Problem solved. Seriously, I doubt Stan would even
know. He doesn't even know Famous Harry Potter when he sees him.
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #238988 ] Di, 21 März 2006 10:06
Toon  
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:36:05 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Drusilla wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>> David Sueme wrote:
>
>>>> Toon wrote:
>
>>>>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>>>>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>>>>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and... he
>>>>> must have a bigger part to play in the finale.
>
>>> Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had
>>> preferred Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the
>>> prophesy.
>
>> We don't know exactly what Harry thuoght at that moment, but surely he
>> knew that he could have got Ron in Problems in named him and he didn't
>> want that for his best friend. He didn't care for Neville though or he
>> thought that the chances of realise it would be nule..
>
>Harry didn't worry about Ron, nor getting anyone in trouble, nor did he
>decide that trouble would be okay for Neville. What happened was that
>Harry said the first name which came into his head, Neville's.

And I think JK chose that name for a reason, not juts randomly.
Considering what OOP reveals.
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #239022 ] Di, 21 März 2006 12:37
Phil  
"David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1142759377.500443.61720 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> Toon wrote:
>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and...
> he must have a bigger
>> part to play in the finale.
>
> Sorry to toss water on your parade, but at the POA stage, Neville is
> pretty much the poster child for "nebbish", and it makes perfect plot
> sense that Harry, when he wants to be insignificant, borrows the name
> of the least significant student in his Hogwarts house. The decision
> to make Neville the dark horse candidate could just as easily been made
> several years hence.
>
> Dave
>

Sorry to do the same back to you - but JKR has in the past refused to say
for definite that Harry is indeed the "chosen one" but seemed to smile
around the answer like "Isnt it obvious ?" and answer without answering.
She has also said that Neville may well be involved later. So - pays your
money, you makes your choice. You've made yours. Doesnt mean its the right
one, does it ? ;-)
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #239146 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 01:17
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Car Toon wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Drusilla wrote:

>>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>>>> David Sueme wrote:

>>>>> Toon wrote:

>>>>>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville
>>>>>> Longbottom. Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is
>>>>>> his friend who turns out to have been the other candidate for
>>>>>> Chosenhood, and... he must have a bigger part to play in the finale.

>>>> Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had
>>>> preferred Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the
>>>> prophesy.

>>> We don't know exactly what Harry thuoght at that moment, but surely he
>>> knew that he could have got Ron in Problems in named him and he didn't
>>> want that for his best friend. He didn't care for Neville though or he
>>> thought that the chances of realise it would be nule..

>> Harry didn't worry about Ron, nor getting anyone in trouble, nor did he
>> decide that trouble would be okay for Neville. What happened was that
>> Harry said the first name which came into his head, Neville's.

> And I think JK chose that name for a reason, not juts randomly.
> Considering what OOP reveals.

Yes.


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Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #239147 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 01:18
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Kish wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Who says the Weasleys are one of the most prominent pure-blood families?

> Albus Dumbledore, to Lucius Malfoy, at the end of CoS.

ROTFL!! Drat, I knew I should've checked with canon!

Malfoy was none too happy with that assessment though, was he?


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Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #239198 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 09:59
Toon  
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:37:12 GMT, "Phil" <phil_k [at] lycos.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:1142759377.500443.61720 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Toon wrote:
>>> When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>>> Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>>> turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and...
>> he must have a bigger
>>> part to play in the finale.
>>
>> Sorry to toss water on your parade, but at the POA stage, Neville is
>> pretty much the poster child for "nebbish", and it makes perfect plot
>> sense that Harry, when he wants to be insignificant, borrows the name
>> of the least significant student in his Hogwarts house. The decision
>> to make Neville the dark horse candidate could just as easily been made
>> several years hence.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>Sorry to do the same back to you - but JKR has in the past refused to say
>for definite that Harry is indeed the "chosen one" but seemed to smile
>around the answer like "Isnt it obvious ?" and answer without answering.
>She has also said that Neville may well be involved later. So - pays your
>money, you makes your choice. You've made yours. Doesnt mean its the right
>one, does it ? ;-)

She did say that the stories are ultimately about Harry in the end.
hence the Harry Potter part of the titles. I shall hazard a guess
that it shall begin Book 7 as well. It, however, won't be: Harry
Potter And The OK, It's Really Neville Longbottom Afterall. I Tricked
You All Again.
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #239199 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 09:59
Toon  
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:18:48 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Kish wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>> Who says the Weasleys are one of the most prominent pure-blood families?
>
>> Albus Dumbledore, to Lucius Malfoy, at the end of CoS.
>
>ROTFL!! Drat, I knew I should've checked with canon!
>
>Malfoy was none too happy with that assessment though, was he?
>

I was.
Re: POA Foreshadowing OOP [message #239218 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 12:10
Thomas Madura  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> Drusilla wrote:
>
>
>>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>
>>>David Sueme wrote:
>
>
>>>>Toon wrote:
>
>
>>>>>When Harry's in the Knight Bus, he uses the alias Neville Longbottom.
>>>>>Intretsing the first name that pops into his mind is his friend who
>>>>>turns out to have been the other candidate for Chosenhood, and... he
>>>>>must have a bigger part to play in the finale.
>
>
>>>Yes, when I first reread book 3 after 5, I noted that Harry had
>>>preferred Neville over Ron, and that this possibly foreshadowed the
>>>prophesy.
>
>
>>We don't know exactly what Harry thuoght at that moment, but surely he
>>knew that he could have got Ron in Problems in named him and he didn't
>>want that for his best friend. He didn't care for Neville though or he
>>thought that the chances of realise it would be nule..
>
>
> Harry didn't worry about Ron, nor getting anyone in trouble, nor did he
> decide that trouble would be okay for Neville. What happened was that
> Harry said the first name which came into his head, Neville's.
>
>
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
>

I think that the Weasleys are well known for their RED hair - which
Harry Lacks.
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