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Hermaphrodites in nature [message #237010]

Fr, 24 März 2006 18:46

Dafydd Edward Dragon

This information was brought back up when I heard about the double yolk
thing in another post, 'what are the chances....?' and thought this would be
something interesting to mention.

In nature it is possible to have hermaphrodites, even in humans. The way a
hermaphrodite is created is that they are a chimaera (cause spelling by the
way, lots of big words I can't spell), a scientific chimerea is when a
creature is created with two eggs and two sperm instead of just one set. Not
to be mistaken as a conjoined twin because conjoined twins are seperated,
chimeras are the two people mixed right down to the cells all through the
body, and look rather normal other than sometimes skin/hair/eye pigmentation
doesn't match from one side to another, or some times the colours almost
cheakerboard over the body.

What makes a chimerea is when a female egg, usually one instead of two
invidiual eggs, split into two, both of the clone eggs being fertilzed, as
they are fertilzed, the two now fertizled eggs rejoin together before the
baby begins to develop, the two cells act as though they went through their
first dividsion after being fertizled, even though they split before they
were fertizled. The two connected fertilzed eggs then as a team, begin to
dubplicate continuesly into more and more cells, the two different cells
cross crossing constatly, beside one an other. In most cases the two types
of cells both do the entire body, each one constructing one half of the
body. But in other cases, sometimes one type of cell contructs certin
organs, while the other cell does the rest. What makes the chimera a
hermaphrodite is if one of the types was a male, and the other type a
female.

The ending result of a chimera looks rather normal except what I mentioned
above about pigmenation. They usually behave rather normally and are stable.
There have been a number of cases people found out they were a chimera and
never knew because the two different cells that made them were very much
alike, sometimes them being their own twin (one fertizled egg splits into
two invidiauls, but just as they begin to deveolp, merge to make a chimera,
same thing above, either doing half and half, or one does certin organs,
while the other does others) When it's a hermaphrodite, the body does an
amazeing job to try and compensate for haveing the organs for two sexes. I
only know about half & half hermaphrodites, so I'll explain that one. The
way it turns out, one half of the body is female, so sie (a number of herm
dragons use that as their pronoun) has only hir femals parts on the one
side, so only has one side of her vergina and one folopian tube, but it
sometimes still works, however sie's not usually able to support giving
birth because only haveing half of a vergina isn't enough to give birth with
very well. The female vergina and sex is kept in the center of the body
where it belongs, which likely makes you wounder where the male part gos. It
turns out that the male penius, is adaptable to be moved as the body
develops, so amazeingly, a fully working, complete penis sits on the other
half of the body, near the center, but off onto it's side instead of being
in the center. Much more often than the female half; the male half works
just fine for it being pushed to the side.

Herms are rather interesting since they are built with both estrogen and
tetrosterone going through their bodys. I wish I could have learned more
about this but the documentation only had so much. Apperaently when a
hermaprodite is born, the hospital does surgery to remove which ever sex
organ doesn't work, or whichever makes the child look the most of one gender
or another, and get this, sometimes without telling the partents what's
'special' about their child. It's said there is around 10 hermaprodites in
the entire world known of, but there could be thousands or more that are
just not known of because they look normal, or never found out.

I got all of this information off of a documentery on I believe discovery or
tlc or something along those lines, and it was a real documentrery. One of
the things it was foceusing on was that one mother that had three childern,
was found to not have the same DNA as her children and was taken to court
and was going to have her childern taken away. Lucky for her, she was
pregnenet and after a couple months which the court trial unsolved, when she
gave birth, her child that just came right out of her did NOT have the same
DNA as her, but it matched with the other children. At first they woundered
if she had a fertizled egg from a doner given to her. But finally one doctor
stood out and did a search to find out more about this, eventuly comming
across chimeras. They spent months doing DNA tests all over her body, but
ever result was her DNA, not the one that the childeren have. Finally they
started doing DNA on the internal organs, and although all of them had the
same DNA, there was one special organ that had the DNA of the children, her
vergina. Only her vergina of her entire body was the chimerea. She was her
own twin. Her and her unborn twin merged before they devloped, makeing them
into a chimerea, one person. It turned out that one of them only did the job
of makeing the sex organs, while the other did all the rest. Her 'sister'
was her sex organ all her life. So she was giving birth to children with her
sister's DNA instead of her own.

Sometimes science and nature do some pretty interesting things. In short,
this does prove it's possible for hermaphrodites to exist, so those herm
dragons out there are a possibility amoung the rest of us single-gender
dragons.

-Dafydd Edward Dragon

Re: Hermaphrodites in nature [message #237014 ]

Sa, 25 März 2006 01:16

Kark

Kinda like Zak and Weezie of Dragon Tales fame, eh? {:8)

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"Dafydd Edward Dragon" <private [at] address.x> wrote in message
news:ZfWUf.178991$B94.145290 [at] pd7tw3no...
>
> This information was brought back up when I heard about the double yolk
> thing in another post, 'what are the chances....?' and thought this would
be
> something interesting to mention.
>
> In nature it is possible to have hermaphrodites, even in humans. The way a
> hermaphrodite is created is that they are a chimaera (cause spelling by
the
> way, lots of big words I can't spell), a scientific chimerea is when a
> creature is created with two eggs and two sperm instead of just one set.
Not
> to be mistaken as a conjoined twin because conjoined twins are seperated,
> chimeras are the two people mixed right down to the cells all through the
> body, and look rather normal other than sometimes skin/hair/eye
pigmentation
> doesn't match from one side to another, or some times the colours almost
> cheakerboard over the body.
>
> What makes a chimerea is when a female egg, usually one instead of two
> invidiual eggs, split into two, both of the clone eggs being fertilzed, as
> they are fertilzed, the two now fertizled eggs rejoin together before the
> baby begins to develop, the two cells act as though they went through
their
> first dividsion after being fertizled, even though they split before they
> were fertizled. The two connected fertilzed eggs then as a team, begin to
> dubplicate continuesly into more and more cells, the two different cells
> cross crossing constatly, beside one an other. In most cases the two types
> of cells both do the entire body, each one constructing one half of the
> body. But in other cases, sometimes one type of cell contructs certin
> organs, while the other cell does the rest. What makes the chimera a
> hermaphrodite is if one of the types was a male, and the other type a
> female.
>
> The ending result of a chimera looks rather normal except what I mentioned
> above about pigmenation. They usually behave rather normally and are
stable.
> There have been a number of cases people found out they were a chimera and
> never knew because the two different cells that made them were very much
> alike, sometimes them being their own twin (one fertizled egg splits into
> two invidiauls, but just as they begin to deveolp, merge to make a
chimera,
> same thing above, either doing half and half, or one does certin organs,
> while the other does others) When it's a hermaphrodite, the body does an
> amazeing job to try and compensate for haveing the organs for two sexes. I
> only know about half & half hermaphrodites, so I'll explain that one. The
> way it turns out, one half of the body is female, so sie (a number of herm
> dragons use that as their pronoun) has only hir femals parts on the one
> side, so only has one side of her vergina and one folopian tube, but it
> sometimes still works, however sie's not usually able to support giving
> birth because only haveing half of a vergina isn't enough to give birth
with
> very well. The female vergina and sex is kept in the center of the body
> where it belongs, which likely makes you wounder where the male part gos.
It
> turns out that the male penius, is adaptable to be moved as the body
> develops, so amazeingly, a fully working, complete penis sits on the other
> half of the body, near the center, but off onto it's side instead of being
> in the center. Much more often than the female half; the male half works
> just fine for it being pushed to the side.
>
> Herms are rather interesting since they are built with both estrogen and
> tetrosterone going through their bodys. I wish I could have learned more
> about this but the documentation only had so much. Apperaently when a
> hermaprodite is born, the hospital does surgery to remove which ever sex
> organ doesn't work, or whichever makes the child look the most of one
gender
> or another, and get this, sometimes without telling the partents what's
> 'special' about their child. It's said there is around 10 hermaprodites in
> the entire world known of, but there could be thousands or more that are
> just not known of because they look normal, or never found out.
>
> I got all of this information off of a documentery on I believe discovery
or
> tlc or something along those lines, and it was a real documentrery. One of
> the things it was foceusing on was that one mother that had three
childern,
> was found to not have the same DNA as her children and was taken to court
> and was going to have her childern taken away. Lucky for her, she was
> pregnenet and after a couple months which the court trial unsolved, when
she
> gave birth, her child that just came right out of her did NOT have the
same
> DNA as her, but it matched with the other children. At first they
woundered
> if she had a fertizled egg from a doner given to her. But finally one
doctor
> stood out and did a search to find out more about this, eventuly comming
> across chimeras. They spent months doing DNA tests all over her body, but
> ever result was her DNA, not the one that the childeren have. Finally they
> started doing DNA on the internal organs, and although all of them had the
> same DNA, there was one special organ that had the DNA of the children,
her
> vergina. Only her vergina of her entire body was the chimerea. She was her
> own twin. Her and her unborn twin merged before they devloped, makeing
them
> into a chimerea, one person. It turned out that one of them only did the
job
> of makeing the sex organs, while the other did all the rest. Her 'sister'
> was her sex organ all her life. So she was giving birth to children with
her
> sister's DNA instead of her own.
>
> Sometimes science and nature do some pretty interesting things. In short,
> this does prove it's possible for hermaphrodites to exist, so those herm
> dragons out there are a possibility amoung the rest of us single-gender
> dragons.
>
> -Dafydd Edward Dragon
>
>

Re: Hermaphrodites in nature [message #237062 ]

So, 26 März 2006 04:54

Draco18s

In article <lZ%Uf.48896$VV4.781332 [at] ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, kark [at] nbnet.nb.ca
says...
>Kinda like Zak and Weezie of Dragon Tales fame, eh? {:8)

Something like that.

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