| Han vs Greedo [message #236518] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 03:03 |
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Why is there such a big deal being made on who shot first?
Since most of us grew up seeing the "original" Star Wars, Han shot
Greedo first.....end of story!
Why did GL decide to have Greedo shoot first then Han?
I mean C'mon, everything happened so fast that it really isn't
noticable..or was it?
If there was no reason to change the scene then why do it????
I could care less but just want see how everyone else feels about
it..........
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #236519 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 04:30 |
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"Sean White" <Sean376 [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6421-4429DCCB-1566 [at] storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net...
> Why is there such a big deal being made on who shot first?
>
> Since most of us grew up seeing the "original" Star Wars, Han shot
> Greedo first.....end of story!
>
> Why did GL decide to have Greedo shoot first then Han?
>
> I mean C'mon, everything happened so fast that it really isn't
> noticable..or was it?
>
> If there was no reason to change the scene then why do it????
>
> I could care less but just want see how everyone else feels about
> it..........
>
I haven't seen that movie yet. Thanks for ruining it for me, snatchtard!
Fuck a biscuit!
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #236520 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 05:14 |
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been living under a rock huh???
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #236521 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 05:14 |
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because american cowboys never shot at indians first, the indians always
shot at the cowboys first
"Sean White" <Sean376 [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6421-4429DCCB-1566 [at] storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net...
> Why is there such a big deal being made on who shot first?
>
> Since most of us grew up seeing the "original" Star Wars, Han shot
> Greedo first.....end of story!
>
> Why did GL decide to have Greedo shoot first then Han?
>
> I mean C'mon, everything happened so fast that it really isn't
> noticable..or was it?
>
> If there was no reason to change the scene then why do it????
>
> I could care less but just want see how everyone else feels about
> it..........
>
>
>
>
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243330 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 06:59 |
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Sean White wrote:
> Why is there such a big deal being made on who shot first?
Actually, the way the original is edited, all you see is a puff of
smoke. So, it could be Greedo still shot first anyway.
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OSI
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243332 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 08:28 |
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In article <6421-4429DCCB-1566 [at] storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>,
Sean376 [at] webtv.net (Sean White) wrote:
> Why did GL decide to have Greedo shoot first then Han?
Han Solo is a smuggler, but he's not a complete "nasty bad guy". His
actions in later movies shows he has a conscience and a sense of right
and wrong, and is really a "good guy". A good guy never shoots first,
which is why the scene was altered.
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243334 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 14:50 |
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"Sean White" <Sean376 [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:2532-4429FCE3-1551 [at] storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net...
> been living under a rock huh???
>
Now people can live under rocks, too? You're ruining all of life's
surprises. Stop posting, dammit!
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243337 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 17:19 |
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Anybody wrote:
> In article <6421-4429DCCB-1566 [at] storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>,
> Sean376 [at] webtv.net (Sean White) wrote:
>
>> Why did GL decide to have Greedo shoot first then Han?
>
> Han Solo is a smuggler, but he's not a complete "nasty bad guy". His
> actions in later movies shows he has a conscience and a sense of right
> and wrong, and is really a "good guy". A good guy never shoots first,
> which is why the scene was altered.
I have always felt a more powerful message would be conveyed regarding
Han's character if GL would have left the scene alone. It originally
showed Han as someone who is in a position with no way out and desperate
so he takes the necessary desperate measures to rid himself of the
threat posed upon him. As the movie progresses, Han gains friends and
people he can ally himself with so he changes his tactics and
personality. In the way the story was originally written, Han is a
truly dynamic and incredibly interesting character, when GL changed that
scene, as small potatoes as it might seem, he took away a distinct
indicator as to who Han was at that point in the story.
The idea all characters are set in stone and restricted from change is a
sign of lack of imagination and understanding in humanity. No one is an
immutable piece of steel, cast in whatever mold is deemed theirs. It is
unfortunate GL has decided it would be better to make one of his heros a
pure and unblemished person; it just isn't realistic.
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243339 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 21:42 |
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"Spencer Meffert" <smeffert [at] tds.net> wrote:
> It is unfortunate GL has decided it would be better to make one of his
> heros a pure and unblemished person; it just isn't realistic.
i wouldn't call him an unblemished person after the change. after all, he
did go for his gun well before Greedo fired. and you can't say Han only
fired back. the delay between the two shots is too short to be evidence of
causality.
*gruff*
JAC
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243341 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 23:09 |
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In article <442aa061_2 [at] newspeer2.tds.net>, Spencer Meffert
<smeffert [at] tds.net> wrote:
> Anybody wrote:
> > In article <6421-4429DCCB-1566 [at] storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>,
> > Sean376 [at] webtv.net (Sean White) wrote:
> >
> >> Why did GL decide to have Greedo shoot first then Han?
> >
> > Han Solo is a smuggler, but he's not a complete "nasty bad guy". His
> > actions in later movies shows he has a conscience and a sense of right
> > and wrong, and is really a "good guy". A good guy never shoots first,
> > which is why the scene was altered.
>
> I have always felt a more powerful message would be conveyed regarding
> Han's character if GL would have left the scene alone. It originally
> showed Han as someone who is in a position with no way out and desperate
> so he takes the necessary desperate measures to rid himself of the
> threat posed upon him. As the movie progresses, Han gains friends and
> people he can ally himself with so he changes his tactics and
> personality. In the way the story was originally written, Han is a
> truly dynamic and incredibly interesting character, when GL changed that
> scene, as small potatoes as it might seem, he took away a distinct
> indicator as to who Han was at that point in the story.
>
> The idea all characters are set in stone and restricted from change is a
> sign of lack of imagination and understanding in humanity.
Welcome to the human race - the most stupid and selfish species on this
planet. Simply reading the Internet (especially the so-called "plot
holes in the Prequels" messages) will soon make you realise that
humanity definitely has no imagination or understanding. :-\
> No one is an
> immutable piece of steel, cast in whatever mold is deemed theirs. It is
> unfortunate GL has decided it would be better to make one of his heros a
> pure and unblemished person; it just isn't realistic.
Han is not "unblemished". He's a smuggler for a start, but he is in
reality a "good guy" - he rescues Chewie, he helps Luke, etc.
Besides which, Star Wars is bascially a science fiction fairy tale
(complete with opening sentence equivalent of "Once upon a time ..."),
so the good guys are GOOD guys and the bad guys are BAD guys - there's
very few grey guys ... unless you count the ETs. ;-)
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243342 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 23:42 |
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Billy Gruff wrote:
> "Spencer Meffert" <smeffert [at] tds.net> wrote:
>
>> It is unfortunate GL has decided it would be better to make one of his
>> heros a pure and unblemished person; it just isn't realistic.
>
> i wouldn't call him an unblemished person after the change. after all, he
> did go for his gun well before Greedo fired. and you can't say Han only
> fired back. the delay between the two shots is too short to be evidence of
> causality.
>
> *gruff*
> JAC
>
>
Very true, Han is still rough around the edges and certainly no "knight
in shining armor" in the classic sense. In the revised edition he
doesn't show a true capability of reaching into the dark side of his
being and thereby creating a real grit and sense of possible danger
around his character. Maybe I am all wrong, but look at it this way:
Pretend you never saw the original; when Han leaves the Rebel's on Yavin
IV, and makes it appear he has no intention of helping them, it seems
less likely he truly feels that way because, in the viewer's eyes, he
has never done anything evil, or seemingly evil. It isn't such a
awesome moment when Han comes blasting back into view and saves the day.
I'll admit some of the basic images of the scene were unchanged, I still
think the overall spirit was changed to portray Han as a person who
would never, under any circumstances, deal with another person in an
underhanded way. This notion goes against what seems to be the
progression originally intended for the character as shown in the
unaltered version of ANH.
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243343 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 00:17 |
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> Very true, Han is still rough around the edges and certainly no "knight
> in shining armor" in the classic sense. In the revised edition he doesn't
> show a true capability of reaching into the dark side of his being and
> thereby creating a real grit and sense of possible danger around his
> character. Maybe I am all wrong, but look at it this way:
>
> Pretend you never saw the original; when Han leaves the Rebel's on Yavin
> IV, and makes it appear he has no intention of helping them, it seems less
> likely he truly feels that way because, in the viewer's eyes, he has never
> done anything evil, or seemingly evil. It isn't such a awesome moment
> when Han comes blasting back into view and saves the day.
>
> I'll admit some of the basic images of the scene were unchanged, I still
> think the overall spirit was changed to portray Han as a person who would
> never, under any circumstances, deal with another person in an underhanded
> way.
Shooting Greedo first as in the original was not "evil" or even "seemingly
evil." Han knew darned well Greedo intended to kill him. Only a fool would
purposefully wait for Greedo to shoot first.
(And on a similar vein, not sticking around to help vandalize the Death Star
was not "underhanded." At no time during the movie did Solo deceive the
rebels or act in bad faith with them. He kept his end of every deal he made
with them.)
This Greedo business was a pointless and needless edit but fans are making
way too much of it. Solo is still seen as a non-idealistic, material,
self-centered man throughout the film and comes around only at the very end.
That hasn't changed.
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243344 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 00:54 |
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"wasabe" <wasabe [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6tnWf.9313$JZ1.344696 [at] news.xtra.co.nz...
> because american cowboys never shot at indians first, the indians always
> shot at the cowboys first
>
In the advent of a certain recent western ......
Shouldn't that be .. The Indian shoots ON the cowboy first
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243345 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 01:01 |
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Greedo was a rodian. One of anakin's childhood buddies was a rodian. i
wonder if that was a young greedo?
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243347 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 01:39 |
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Courier St. Ives wrote:
> Greedo was a rodian. One of anakin's childhood buddies was a rodian. i
> wonder if that was a young greedo?
>
I can't recall the souce, but from what I've read, it was not.
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243349 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 07:12 |
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LMAO and "shooting" hot and sour soup all over screen.
best laugh in a while...
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243351 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 08:35 |
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In article <mZ-dnVzVHvPdhrbZRVn-pQ [at] comcast.com>, Flip Wilson
<Rightback [at] cha.com> wrote:
> Courier St. Ives wrote:
> > Greedo was a rodian. One of anakin's childhood buddies was a rodian. i
> > wonder if that was a young greedo?
>
> I can't recall the souce, but from what I've read, it was not.
Anakin's friends was Wald, a different Rodian.
A younger Greedo was actually planned to appear in Episode I in a scene
where he has a fight with Anakin, but that was later dropped. I think
it's on the DVD as a deleted scene.
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #243352 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 09:28 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:300320061835596735%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> A younger Greedo was actually planned to appear in Episode I in a scene
> where he has a fight with Anakin, but that was later dropped. I think
> it's on the DVD as a deleted scene.
Yep, it's on the DVD. Young Greedo accuses Anakin of cheating in the podrace
and so the boy beats him up until Qui-Gon stops the fight. As the Rodian
wanders off Wald prophetically shouts "you'll come to a bad end one day
Greedo." It was quite rightly removed from the theatrical release.
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #245241 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 01:30 |
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"OSI" <abuse [at] msn.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:dvoWf.100107$Fw6.89624 [at] tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Sean White wrote:
>
>> Why is there such a big deal being made on who shot first?
>
> Actually, the way the original is edited, all you see is a puff of smoke.
> So, it could be Greedo still shot first anyway.
No, it can't!
We have had Paul Blake (aktor of Greedo) here last year for the premier of
EP3.
He pointed out, the "Han shot first!" (He also had a T-Shirt with that
sentens on it, because the fans always ask him this question first.)
CU
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #245242 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 02:22 |
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In article <e19h3c$eol$02$1 [at] news.t-online.com>, "Stefan Vogel"
<birdie [at] birdies.de> wrote:
> "OSI" <abuse [at] msn.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:dvoWf.100107$Fw6.89624 [at] tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> > Sean White wrote:
> >
> >> Why is there such a big deal being made on who shot first?
> >
> > Actually, the way the original is edited, all you see is a puff of smoke.
> > So, it could be Greedo still shot first anyway.
>
> No, it can't!
>
> We have had Paul Blake (aktor of Greedo) here last year for the premier of
> EP3.
> He pointed out, the "Han shot first!" (He also had a T-Shirt with that
> sentens on it, because the fans always ask him this question first.)
I don't know about his particular T-shirt, but you can easily buy such
shirts on the Internet. :-)
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| Re: Han vs Greedo [message #245247 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 11:50 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:090420061222184635%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <e19h3c$eol$02$1 [at] news.t-online.com>, "Stefan Vogel"
> <birdie [at] birdies.de> wrote:
>
>> "OSI" <abuse [at] msn.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:dvoWf.100107$Fw6.89624 [at] tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> > Sean White wrote:
>> >
>> >> Why is there such a big deal being made on who shot first?
>> >
>> > Actually, the way the original is edited, all you see is a puff of
>> > smoke.
>> > So, it could be Greedo still shot first anyway.
>>
>> No, it can't!
>>
>> We have had Paul Blake (aktor of Greedo) here last year for the premier
>> of
>> EP3.
>> He pointed out, the "Han shot first!" (He also had a T-Shirt with that
>> sentens on it, because the fans always ask him this question first.)
>
> I don't know about his particular T-shirt, but you can easily buy such
> shirts on the Internet. :-)
I know, but I asked him about this Shirt, and he said he is wearing it just
because of all the fans asking him this question
CU
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