| Boba Fett's voice [message #236474] |
So, 26 März 2006 17:54 |
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In ESB "special edtion" did they use the actor's voice who played Jango
Fett instead of Jeremy Bulloch's?
It sure sounds like it after multiple viewings of ESB "original &
special editions".
Don't get me wrong i like the new added scenes but WHY would someone
(George) want to tinker with dialogue?
He did the same thing when Vader is talkng to the holograph image of the
Emperor when he (GL) decided to use Ian's face/voice instead of the
actor who was in the "original" version.....right?
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236485 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 00:01 |
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"Sean White" <Sean376 [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6425-4426B91B-88 [at] storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net...
> In ESB "special edtion" did they use the actor's voice who played Jango
> Fett instead of Jeremy Bulloch's?
>
> It sure sounds like it after multiple viewings of ESB "original &
> special editions".
>
Yes, with the DVD release of the Original Trilogy all the Boba Fett
voice-overs were changed from Jason Wingreen (Bulloch was in the suit -
Wingreen was uncredited as the voice of Boba, ala James Earl Jones
uncredited as voicing Vader while David Prowse was in the black suit) to
Temuera Morrison since it was established in Attack Of The Clones that Boba
was an unaltered clone of Jango, so it makes sense he'd have the same voice
once he reaches the same approximate age (Boba would be about 35 years old
in The Empire Strikes Back).
> Don't get me wrong i like the new added scenes but WHY would someone
> (George) want to tinker with dialogue?
> He did the same thing when Vader is talkng to the holograph image of the
> Emperor when he (GL) decided to use Ian's face/voice instead of the
> actor who was in the "original" version.....right?
>
Because, like it or not, George Lucas owns the rights to do whatever the
hell he wants to his works, and he's NEVER satisfied (I believe with every
fiber of my being that there's at least 2 more versions of each movie still
to be seen some day), and he feels that the changes make the *parts* fit
together as a *whole* better (and I think he's right) but we fans (I was 7
when the original Star Wars came out in '77) are unwilling to accept what we
grew up with and *any* change is a real jolt to most of us, but on a grand
scale, his changes all make sense.
As with Boba's voice, Lucas felt that Ian playing the Emperor in Empire made
sense since he played The Emperor in the other 4 films The Emperor appears
in, and he's right with this change as well. The different dialog in this
scene plays better also knowing the whole Emperor/Vader story from beginning
to end (who's left to see the whole Saga for the first time??).
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236492 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 01:29 |
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_Sean White_ spoke thusly on 26/03/2006 10:54 AM:
> In ESB "special edtion" did they use the actor's voice who played Jango
> Fett instead of Jeremy Bulloch's?
>
> It sure sounds like it after multiple viewings of ESB "original &
> special editions".
>
> Don't get me wrong i like the new added scenes but WHY would someone
> (George) want to tinker with dialogue?
As far as I remember, none of Boba Fett's lines were changed, just the
voice.
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236493 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 02:39 |
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In article <1143410309_2501 [at] sp1iad.superfeed.net>, "RobMac"
<rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Because, like it or not, George Lucas owns the rights to do whatever the
> hell he wants to his works, and he's NEVER satisfied (I believe with every
> fiber of my being that there's at least 2 more versions of each movie still
> to be seen some day), and he feels that the changes make the *parts* fit
> together as a *whole* better (and I think he's right) but we fans (I was 7
> when the original Star Wars came out in '77) are unwilling to accept what we
> grew up with and *any* change is a real jolt to most of us, but on a grand
> scale, his changes all make sense.
There is at least one more major change already planned - the release
of all six movies in 3D (in cinemas, and then probably DVD or some
successor). :-)
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236505 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 14:19 |
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Solon wrote:
> As far as I remember, none of Boba Fett's lines were changed, just the
> voice.
Yeah, but doesn't part of you want to keep the voice you grew up with?
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236506 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 15:04 |
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Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au wrote:
> Yeah, but doesn't part of you want to keep the voice you grew up with?
Not only the voice, but the tone and inflection is totally different.
Morrison spoke the lines as if he was late for a tennis match.
"He'snogoodtomedead."
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236507 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 21:07 |
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_Paul.Duggan [at] jcu.edu.au_ spoke thusly on 27/03/2006 7:19 AM:
> Solon wrote:
>> As far as I remember, none of Boba Fett's lines were changed, just the
>> voice.
>
> Yeah, but doesn't part of you want to keep the voice you grew up with?
The OP said "Don't get me wrong i like the new added scenes but WHY
would someone (George) want to tinker with dialogue?"
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236508 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 01:32 |
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Solon <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in news:R_-
dnWBmhf6ppbXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d [at] giganews.com:
> The OP said "Don't get me wrong i like the new added scenes but WHY
> would someone (George) want to tinker with dialogue?"
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/dialogue?view=uk
dialogue
(US also dialog)
• noun 1 conversation between two or more people as a feature of a book,
play, or film. 2 discussion directed towards exploration of a subject or
resolution of a problem.
There was nothing wrong with what the OP had written.
Your attempt at sarcasm and wit has failed you.
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236509 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 03:17 |
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_Grue_ spoke thusly on 27/03/2006 6:32 PM:
> Solon <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in news:R_-
> dnWBmhf6ppbXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d [at] giganews.com:
>
>> The OP said "Don't get me wrong i like the new added scenes but WHY
>> would someone (George) want to tinker with dialogue?"
>
> http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/dialogue?view=uk
>
> dialogue
> (US also dialog)
>
> • noun 1 conversation between two or more people as a feature of a book,
> play, or film. 2 discussion directed towards exploration of a subject or
> resolution of a problem.
>
>
> There was nothing wrong with what the OP had written.
So what you're saying is that a 'dialogue' includes the timbre of
someones voice?
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236512 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 10:37 |
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Sean White wrote:
> In ESB "special edtion" did they use the actor's voice who played Jango
> Fett instead of Jeremy Bulloch's?
>
> It sure sounds like it after multiple viewings of ESB "original &
> special editions".
>
> Don't get me wrong i like the new added scenes but WHY would someone
> (George) want to tinker with dialogue?
> He did the same thing when Vader is talkng to the holograph image of the
> Emperor when he (GL) decided to use Ian's face/voice instead of the
> actor who was in the "original" version.....right?
Hello,
Yes you are right on both acounts, he has changed it around yet again,
and this time he has also put back the original "close the blast
doors" voice, where in one copy of the movies he had taken it out.
IMHO, i think the newer version on Vader and the emperor in ESB is
better. However, changing the Vioce of with Fett was the wrong thinging
to do. but it does not supprise me in the least that GL did this. if he
can make EP 1,2 and 3 the way he did, then he reck anything. the new
star wars films are poor to say the lest, and ppl only say there are
good on comparison on the films previously (EP 2 compeard to EP1
etc..etc). he has got all the ages in the wrong order or Obe Wan was
under some real stress. Luke and Leia look nothing like Anakin or
Padma. A could go on and on all day long about how rubbsh the new
movies are, and how a 12 year old could do better given the money. well
if you world like to start a " bitch about star wars Ep 1,2 and 3"
section I'll jone you.
your friendly PhantomBaz, does what ever a Phantom can....
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236515 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 17:01 |
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Solon <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in
news:UfSdnSs4waJuE7XZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d [at] giganews.com:
> So what you're saying is that a 'dialogue' includes the timbre of
> someones voice?
He didn't change the timbre, he changed the voice actor completely. Temuera
Morrison changed the delivery of the lines, either at the direction of
Georgie Boy, or through disinterest in the material given.
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236516 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 19:50 |
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_Grue_ spoke thusly on 28/03/2006 10:01 AM:
> Solon <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in
> news:UfSdnSs4waJuE7XZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d [at] giganews.com:
>
>> So what you're saying is that a 'dialogue' includes the timbre of
>> someones voice?
>
> He didn't change the timbre, he changed the voice actor completely. Temuera
> Morrison changed the delivery of the lines, either at the direction of
> Georgie Boy, or through disinterest in the material given.
Any changes your think there are in the delivery are purely by way of
the actor's accent. Personally, I didn't notice any real change in the
delivery. Just a different actor, with a different accent. That's not
changing the dialogue. Dialogue is based on script, not performance.
That's why the definition includes 'book'. You assume too much. Just as
you assumed that I was trying to be sarcastic or witty. You just ended
up being rude. If you've got personal problems with GL, fine; but don't
let it interfere with every judgement call, and discussion in this
group. Get over it.
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #236524 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 05:14 |
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Solon <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in
news:QNidnVTcurYZ6rTZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d [at] giganews.com:
> Any changes your think there are in the delivery are purely by way of
> the actor's accent.
B.S. Monotonous, deadpan, expressionless, emotionless delivery has
everything to do with the *actor*, not the accent.
> Personally, I didn't notice any real change in the
> delivery. Just a different actor, with a different accent.
Your problem. Plenty of others noticed.
> That's not changing the dialogue. Dialogue is based on script, not
> performance. That's why the definition includes 'book'.
B.S. Performance does count, otherwise *film* wouldn't be included in the
definition; unless you think they mean a film of the script.
> You assume too much.
Padme?
> Just as you assumed that I was trying to be sarcastic or witty.
Wrong. I thought you were being anal retentive and dense.
> You just ended >
up being rude.
In my last post, I don't see how...this post, however....
> If you've got personal problems with GL, fine
I don't know him personally, how can I have personal problems with him?
It's not like he welched on a bet with me or anything.
> but don't let it interfere with every judgement call, and discussion
> in this group.
If I don't have a personal problem with GL, how can it my non-existant
problem interfere?
> Get over it.
There's nothing to get over.
Whatever.
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| Re: Boba Fett's voice [message #243331 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 07:25 |
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_Grue_ spoke thusly on 28/03/2006 11:18 PM:
>> That's not changing the dialogue. Dialogue is based on script, not
>> performance. That's why the definition includes 'book'.
>
> B.S. Performance does count, otherwise *film* wouldn't be included in the
> definition; unless you think they mean a film of the script.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dialogue
"The lines or passages in a script that are intended to be spoken."
>> Just as you assumed that I was trying to be sarcastic or witty.
>
> Wrong. I thought you were being anal retentive and dense.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.starwars/msg/5631573b 0ef11399
"Your attempt at sarcasm and wit has failed you."
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