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Graham Rye and the JBIFC [message #232476]

So, 05 März 2006 17:38

chapel24

RESPONSE TO FORUM POSTS ON THE 'MI6' WEBSITE AT
http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=22842&start=0
from ANDREW PILKINGTON (Vice President - The James Bond 007
International Fan Club & Archive 1979-2001)

Over the past week a number of posts have appeared in the forum section
of the MI6 website concerning Graham Rye and 'The James Bond 007
International Fan Club & Archive' [JBIFC] (1979-2001).

The allegations contained in these postings are inaccurate, vindictive,
un-called for, and ill-advised. As someone who is privy to the truth, I
have set out the facts below to correct these slanderous remarks. All
those who have participated in these aforementioned postings are
strongly urged to read what follows.

I have read some garbage in my time but the drivel that has been
regurgitated on this thread passed off as fact or nudge nudge
'insider information' is quite unbelievable. While some of the
contributors have been fair, others have their own hidden agendas and
the worst of these is Gravity's Silhouette (Michael Kersey), James
Page and TheMantis (David Zaritsky). What a nasty little trinity you
are. Graham has never met you, never to my knowledge done you any harm
(other than to overshadow your obviously fragile egos) and yet you take
every opportunity to muckrake, and fill your forum with all manner of
allegations which you must know have not the slightest basis in fact.

This even extends to James Page removing posts or cutting short,
threads from this forum in the past supporting Graham because they told
the truth and therefore made Page look a fool and a persecutor. How can
he consider himself an impartial unbiased editor when he clearly
permits libellous postings by his cronies to remain on his MI6 website?
And also REPEAT allegations from older postings from other newsgroup
forums whilst appearing to be a public guardian of James Bond fans? It
is frankly, sickening.

Mi6 own terms and conditions state:

"While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt
to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as
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opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or
webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held
liable.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous,
hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may
violate any applicable laws."

The puny egos fighting for attention on these pages is laughable.
Unfortunately the more impressionable readers of the MI6 forum might
actually believe you DO have the inside information you profess to
have, and might actually believe (God forbid) the crap that you're
attempting to pass off as fact.

Gravity/Kersey's post of March 1st mentions some 'vicious'
campaigns, and he should know as his post is the worst offender, as
they have also been in the past. If I was Graham, I would be reaching
for my lawyers right now. Do any of you nerds appreciate libel laws are
equally applicable to The Web in 2006? The legal profession could
retire on the damages it could squeeze out of his post alone (and may
yet do so.)

PAY ATTENTION. I am only going to post this here once, for the record.

The FACTS are as follows:

FACT: The members of The JBIFC in 20 years under Graham's management
had no claim on anything the club did, or how it spent its (rare and
occasional) profit. They paid a fee for a set number of issues of 007
MAGAZINE. Provided they received those issues any obligation on The
JBIFC's behalf ceased. They were not shareholders, they were
subscribers. This is not to belittle the club members, far from it.
They supported The JBIFC through thick and thin; but let us put things
in their proper perspective.

FACT: The JBIFC was never a Limited Company.

FACT: The assets of The JBIFC were never more than the funds the
members paid over for magazines and ALL the money paid to The JBIFC for
subscriptions was reserved for the production of the magazine.
Incidentally those funds did not cover the production cost of the
magazine. Over the years Graham invested huge sums of his own money,
not to mention unpaid time in keeping the magazine alive. Any
occasional small profit was Graham's to do with as he pleased, and
usually it pleased him to plough even that back into the business.
Please note the word BUSINESS. It is not illegal for a fan club to make
a profit. The profit paid the people who assisted to produce the
magazine and other commercial JBIFC projects, although in reality all
the people (bar an assistant and a Mac Operator) who worked for The
JBIFC worked as unpaid volunteers.

FACT: At no time did any of the so-called 'treasures' belong to the
fan club, or anyone else. They belonged to Graham personally, as did
the rest of the Archive, and he could do what he wanted with them.

The whole of Gravity/Kersey's regurgitated March 1st posting, as I
have said, is libellous drivel.

FACT: The JBIFC closed down due to a drop in memberships, therefore the
income could no longer cover the outgoings for rent, staff, etc., as
there was no finance to pay the bills there was certainly no money to
pay for upgrades to cars or anything else.

I agree the closing wording on The JBIFC website could have been better
handled, but as ACE (Ajay Chowdhury) pointed out so charmingly, Graham
is human, and when your livelihood and a project which you have devoted
20 years of your life to folds, you tend not to worry about social
niceties. The fact was that there was no finance to refund the small
number of members that were owed issues of 007 MAGAZINE, so
unfortunately there was little point in them writing in. As for
merchandise orders; every order was honoured before The JBIFC closed
its doors. No customer lost money on a merchandise order when The JBIFC
closed.

When The JBIFC folded the idea that Graham had disappeared and everyone
from Credit companies to the media, to the fans themselves was seeking
him out is complete rubbish. The media have always known how to contact
him (and regularly continue to do so), the fans knew The JBIFC
addresses and we had few letters or emails from them, and the idea that
a large number of disgruntled fans contacted MI6 is, simply, laughable.

There are also seriously libellous postings hinting at some underhand
reasons for resurrecting The JBIFC.

FACT: The only reason The JBIFC was resurrected was because a
businessman (David Black) came up with some finance to buy the
membership list, and The JBIFC name and web domain address, thereby
allowing Graham to resume publication of 007 MAGAZINE under his
'umbrella' and potentially create some badly-needed income.

There seems to be some bizarre belief that Graham's activities over
the years have somehow queered everybody else's pitch, or damaged
Bond fandom in some way.

Well, I can see how he has queered the nasty little trinity's pitch
because they are still Bond Nobodies trying to be Bond somebodies,
whilst Graham and the 007 MAGAZINE legacy is still around. As for the
fans, if it were not for the ground-breaking events and publications
that Graham produced over the years then Bond fans would have had a
very boring two decades.

FACT: EON have not the slightest interest in what the fans want, or
what they think. It was, in fact, for many years EON's actual company
policy not to deal with any fan clubs. The JBIFC's troubled history
with EON was certainly down to a clash of personalities, but that was
essentially down to Graham refusing to tow the party line so far as EON
was concerned, and quite rightly so.

FACT: EON have never loaned, given, sold, or otherwise allowed Graham
to receive any items of any value whatsoever from their archive or
elsewhere. So the notion that he sold off the 'family silver' under
EON's nose is laughable - and, once again, libellous.

FACT: If The JBIFC had not held their 1990 convention at Pinewood
Studios (together with other similar events) none of the recent
Pinewood events would have taken place. Pinewood Studios were adamant
they would not allow the public in (let alone Bond fans) and it was
only down to our careful planning and professional acumen that they
allowed the event to go ahead, even to the extent of allowing a guided
tour that was plotted and planned by Graham. However, the Pinewood
Studios' management at that time also made it clear that no other
group would be allowed to do the same thing. Hence there were only
JBIFC events held at Pinewood during the 'nineties. The JBIFC having
set the precedent and proved such events could work, subsequently other
groups were eventually granted permission, copying the already
successful JBIFC format.

FACT: With the exception of Press Show tickets to four new Bond films,
EON have never done anything to assist Graham - no pictures, interviews
etc. etc., and have on numerous occasions gone out of their way to
block Graham's activities, due no doubt to the personality clash.
Whilst on the subject of Graham's contribution to fandom: apart from
the Pinewood events who else made it possible for 200 fans to see the
Press screenings of new Bond films? And Cubby Broccoli's tribute
event at the Odeon Leicester Square? I certainly didn't see anyone
else stepping up to the challenge in 2002 when Die Another Day was
released.

However, it is due totally to Graham and myself that EON was able to
mount the Bond props exhibitions that have toured the world since 1990.
I will allow the more fanciful contributors on this forum to exercise
their over-active imaginations and take an educated guess as to how
that might have been achieved.

'tainted communication from Eon to the fan community':

What planet are you on? There never has been, nor will there ever be,
communication from EON to the 'Fan Community'. And the only person
who has been adversely affected by Graham's relationship with EON is
Graham.

FACT: 007 MAGAZINE has no connection to young upstart Kiss Kiss Bang
Bang and Graham has been clear in saying that for over a year with a
Press Release placed prominently on the 007 MAGAZINE website. And, ACE,
if (based on Issue 1, and the very-overdue issue 2) you are around in
12 months' time I will be completely and utterly amazed.
NB: The decision to adapt 007 MAGAZINE into a webzine wasn't even
considered until late December 2005, and had nothing whatsoever to do
with any perceived threat from KKBB. So any posting to the contrary is
complete fiction.

TheMantis please note! Graham did not buy Oddjob's bowler hat from
Christie's, he SOLD it at Christie's. And there was no controversy
over the sale, nor was there any problem over his sale of the Moon
Buggy. Both items were his to sell. The majority of the finance from
the sale of the bowler hat DID go into the business and helped support
007 MAGAZINE and other projects.

Here endeth the lesson. If ever you idiots decide to post this kind of
ill-considered and factually-incorrect, damaging drivel again, check
your facts first, or get a good lawyer.

These 'posts' over the past few days have caused considerable
distress to those about whom they are concerned, since there is not a
shred of accuracy or truth to any of them.

Be advised furthermore, I understand that formal action is now being
considered in relation to the posters mentioned herein.

Re: Graham Rye and the JBIFC [message #232478 ]

So, 05 März 2006 18:18

Tom Zielinski

<chapel24 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141576702.257107.33020 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> RESPONSE TO FORUM POSTS ON THE 'MI6' WEBSITE AT
> http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=22842&start=0
> from ANDREW PILKINGTON (Vice President - The James Bond 007
> International Fan Club & Archive 1979-2001)
>
> Over the past week a number of posts have appeared in the forum section
> of the MI6 website concerning Graham Rye and 'The James Bond 007
> International Fan Club & Archive' [JBIFC] (1979-2001).
>
> The allegations contained in these postings are inaccurate, vindictive,
> un-called for, and ill-advised. As someone who is privy to the truth, I
> have set out the facts below to correct these slanderous remarks. All
> those who have participated in these aforementioned postings are
> strongly urged to read what follows.
>
> I have read some garbage in my time but the drivel that has been
> regurgitated on this thread passed off as fact or nudge nudge
> 'insider information' is quite unbelievable. While some of the
> contributors have been fair, others have their own hidden agendas and
> the worst of these is Gravity's Silhouette (Michael Kersey), James
> Page and TheMantis (David Zaritsky). What a nasty little trinity you
> are. Graham has never met you, never to my knowledge done you any harm
> (other than to overshadow your obviously fragile egos) and yet you take
> every opportunity to muckrake, and fill your forum with all manner of
> allegations which you must know have not the slightest basis in fact.

<Snip>

Hmmm... Michael Kersey.

Who would have guessed...

Tom Zielinski

Re: Graham Rye and the JBIFC [message #232481 ]

So, 05 März 2006 21:29

The Shadow

"Tom Zielinski" <rtomz [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:isadnX-pneQTgJbZRVn-gg [at] comcast.com...
>
> <chapel24 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1141576702.257107.33020 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> RESPONSE TO FORUM POSTS ON THE 'MI6' WEBSITE AT
>> http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=22842&start=0
>> from ANDREW PILKINGTON (Vice President - The James Bond 007
>> International Fan Club & Archive 1979-2001)
>>
>> Over the past week a number of posts have appeared in the forum section
>> of the MI6 website concerning Graham Rye and 'The James Bond 007
>> International Fan Club & Archive' [JBIFC] (1979-2001).
>>
>> The allegations contained in these postings are inaccurate, vindictive,
>> un-called for, and ill-advised. As someone who is privy to the truth, I
>> have set out the facts below to correct these slanderous remarks. All
>> those who have participated in these aforementioned postings are
>> strongly urged to read what follows.
>>
>> I have read some garbage in my time but the drivel that has been
>> regurgitated on this thread passed off as fact or nudge nudge
>> 'insider information' is quite unbelievable. While some of the
>> contributors have been fair, others have their own hidden agendas and
>> the worst of these is Gravity's Silhouette (Michael Kersey), James
>> Page and TheMantis (David Zaritsky). What a nasty little trinity you
>> are. Graham has never met you, never to my knowledge done you any harm
>> (other than to overshadow your obviously fragile egos) and yet you take
>> every opportunity to muckrake, and fill your forum with all manner of
>> allegations which you must know have not the slightest basis in fact.
>
>
> <Snip>
>
> Hmmm... Michael Kersey.
>
> Who would have guessed...
>
>
> Tom Zielinski

LOL!

Re: Graham Rye and the JBIFC [message #232482 ]

So, 05 März 2006 23:03

Mark

Just don't call him a "wanker".

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