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Is Hermione Jewish [message #231868] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:12
sjmcarter  
First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
trouble.

My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:

*bushy hair
*brainy
*rather annoying at times
*social activist

Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
does, that it is implied?
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #231869 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:21
Jonathan Rodriguez  
<sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142284352.156509.283040 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist
>
> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
> pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
> something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
> does, that it is implied?
>

I don't see why being Jewish could be Controversial...Seriously it is 2006
Humans should learn to stop caring about color, race or religions, but to
answer your question I don't think she is Jewish and it wouldn't matter one
bit if she was with me, all that matters is that she is a Kind, Generous and
Loving person who would risk her life for Friendship if asked and that to me
is all that matters.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #231871 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:54
Baronjosefr  
<sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142284352.156509.283040 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist


Major flaw in the theory: she isn't interested in banking, remember?

>
> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
> pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
> something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
> does, that it is implied?
>
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #231872 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:54
mag3  
On 13 Mar 2006 13:12:32 -0800, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:

>First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>trouble.
>
>My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
>*bushy hair
>*brainy
>*rather annoying at times
>*social activist
>

That could be a number of different ethnicities, actually. Furthermore, if that's
what your friend believes being Jewish is, even in part, I would aruge that perhaps
your friend is living a bit of a "sheltered life" even in respect to his own ethnicity.
People come in all shapes, sizes. colors, faiths etc. No single ethnicity has a lock
on any physical attribute or personality/behavioral attribute.

> My friend has a tendency to be
>humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
>pointed this out.

And in doing so, I think your friend is doing himself and perhaps his ethnicity
a huge disservice by propagating such false stereotypes, as others will start
to believe them and propagate them, using them amongst themselves. I've
seen it happen elsewhere.

> I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
>something that could be so controversial
> but do you think as my friend
>does, that it is implied?

I really don't think she was considering any ethnicity at all. The only reference at all to
religion (and I think these things are there only for the comfort of the primary audience)
are the Christmas references etc. and the fact that wizzards/witches get married, have
funerals, etc. etc. IIRC, there may be references to babies being "Christened/Baptized,"
and, of course, to "Godfathers." And we know at least that Hermione gives Christmas
gifts to her friends, but even that's not a valid indicator as many Jewish people actually
celebrate Christmas, at least as a "cultural" holiday if not a religious one.

Point being, I can't tell for sure what Hermione's religion is, and I can't see how your
friend can tell for sure either. But why bother pondering it? It has no bering on the
story or Potterverse in general.


____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #231873 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:54
Paul Evans  
"Bajori" <baronjosefr [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:n6mRf.145222$5Z2.66074 [at] fe03.news.easynews.com...
>
> <sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142284352.156509.283040 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>> trouble.
>>
>> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>>
>> *bushy hair
>> *brainy
>> *rather annoying at times
>> *social activist
>
>
> Major flaw in the theory: she isn't interested in banking, remember?
>
<sarcasm>Yes, because banking is a major Jewish trait, isn't it?</sarcasm>

Paul.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #231875 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:54
Thomas Madura  
sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist
>
> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
> pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
> something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
> does, that it is implied?
>


No - you are wrong. "jewish" is a religion - not a nationality. My
second wife - who was a German of the Jewish Faith - had gorgeous long
silky Blond Hair and a light complexion. She was a conservative - not a
social activist. Nor was she particulary Brainy - at least not to the
nerd level.

It IS possible that Hermione is a stereotype of what people think Jewish
women are - but there a lot of traits of the typical JAP (Jewish
American Princess) that Hermione definitely does not meet.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #231876 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:54
Weird Beard  
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:36:08 GMT, "Paul Evans"
<paul.evans913 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote the following in
alt.fan.harry-potter:


>>
>>
>> Major flaw in the theory: she isn't interested in banking, remember?
>>
> <sarcasm>Yes, because banking is a major Jewish trait, isn't
> it?</sarcasm>
>
I thinki you missed the point: Bajori's comment was sarcasm directed at the
original poster.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #231877 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:54
Weird Beard  
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:12:32 GMT, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote the following
in alt.fan.harry-potter:

> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist
>
You have a stupid friend.

But don't worry, so does he.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238126 ] Di, 14 März 2006 00:26
pooter  
[sjmcarter [at] gmail.com] said
> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist
>
> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
> pointed this out.

Nah, she doesn't have a big nose nor a stated liking for chicken soup.

> I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
> something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
> does, that it is implied?

Let's say, for the sake of argument and discussion, that being bright
and bushy haired is the hallmark of a Jewess, in what way exactly would
it be controversial that JKR has included such a character in her
novels?

Although I'd have thought that little girls being able to do magic would
be the equivalent of the babblefish and would therefore cause god to
disappear in a puff of logic entirely of his own making....
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238132 ] Di, 14 März 2006 02:14
Baronjosefr  
"Weird Beard" <weird_beard [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9785ACA12D879weirdbeardworldnetat [at] 204.127.36.1...
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:36:08 GMT, "Paul Evans"
> <paul.evans913 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote the following in
> alt.fan.harry-potter:
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> Major flaw in the theory: she isn't interested in banking, remember?
>>>
>> <sarcasm>Yes, because banking is a major Jewish trait, isn't
>> it?</sarcasm>
>>
> I thinki you missed the point: Bajori's comment was sarcasm directed at
> the
> original poster.

I thought I was obvious about it.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238133 ] Di, 14 März 2006 02:16
Baronjosefr  
"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:QNmRf.556315$qk4.113384 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>> trouble.
>>
>> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>>
>> *bushy hair
>> *brainy
>> *rather annoying at times
>> *social activist
>>
>> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
>> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
>> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
>> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
>> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
>> pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
>> something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
>> does, that it is implied?
>>
>
>
> No - you are wrong. "jewish" is a religion - not a nationality. My second
> wife - who was a German of the Jewish Faith - had gorgeous long silky
> Blond Hair and a light complexion. She was a conservative - not a social
> activist. Nor was she particulary Brainy - at least not to the nerd level.
>
> It IS possible that Hermione is a stereotype of what people think Jewish
> women are - but there a lot of traits of the typical JAP (Jewish American
> Princess) that Hermione definitely does not meet.

That could have been an interesting twist: in the Department of Mysteries,
she might have chipped a nail and gone ape, putting the Death Eaters to
flight, causing Hermione to be the second wizard, after DD, that
You-Know-Who ever feared
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238142 ] Di, 14 März 2006 04:09
John VanSickle  
sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:

> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:

Are there enough Jewish people in Britain for JKR to think of putting a
Jewish character into the series?

Regards,
John
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238144 ] Di, 14 März 2006 04:18
Imagun Aqilya  
<sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142284352.156509.283040 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist
>

a-*parents-are-dentists*-hem
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238145 ] Di, 14 März 2006 04:34
Louis Epstein  
sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
: First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
: trouble.
:
: My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
: Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
:
: *bushy hair
: *brainy
: *rather annoying at times
: *social activist
:
: Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
: that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
: Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
: have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
: humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
: pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
: something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
: does, that it is implied?

I assume that the Potterverse "token Jew" is Anthony Goldstein.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238159 ] Di, 14 März 2006 09:50
Toon  
On 13 Mar 2006 13:12:32 -0800, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:

>First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>trouble.
>
>My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:

Well, maybe she's quite the lucky one. There's only one student who's
a Jew, and that's strictly by last name only (and if his mom's not, he
might not be either. Course, I still want to know what Hogwarts does
for Chanukah. No way Dumbledore would make a fuss over Christmas and
screw other religions out.

>*bushy hair
Could be.

>*brainy
Yuppers. W e were a highly intelligent lot, very well read, being
literate in a time of illiteracy.

>*rather annoying at times

Not a single Jew has ever fallen into this category. Nor married ones
neither.

>*social activist

Yeah, sure fine. Why not?
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238160 ] Di, 14 März 2006 09:50
Toon  
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:21:34 GMT, "Jonathan Rodriguez"
<xenexprime [at] verizon.net> wrote:

>>
>
>I don't see why being Jewish could be Controversial...

No, the stereotypes listed.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238161 ] Di, 14 März 2006 09:52
Toon  
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:57:52 GMT, Thom Madura
<Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>> trouble.
>>
>> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>>
>> *bushy hair
>> *brainy
>> *rather annoying at times
>> *social activist
>>
>> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
>> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
>> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
>> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
>> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
>> pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
>> something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
>> does, that it is implied?
>>
>
>
>No - you are wrong. "jewish" is a religion - not a nationality. My
>second wife - who was a German of the Jewish Faith - had gorgeous long
>silky Blond Hair and a light complexion. She was a conservative - not a
>social activist. Nor was she particulary Brainy - at least not to the
>nerd level.
>
>It IS possible that Hermione is a stereotype of what people think Jewish
>women are - but there a lot of traits of the typical JAP (Jewish
>American Princess) that Hermione definitely does not meet.

She's not American. Why would she simulate a JAP? She'd be a JBP
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238169 ] Di, 14 März 2006 10:45
dsueme  
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American)

are you sure he's your friend? Has he hinted at curriosity about your
PayPal password?

insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist
> *has nipple erections while performing fellatio

Dude, JKR goes way out of her way to avoid this kind of distraction
from the story. Each book has one obligatory "blaack" student. This
fulfills the American publisher's quota of affirmative goodness. Once
this is done JKR could give a tinker's damn. Since Jews are a minority
- but obviously not "disadvantaged" - the affirmative goodness police
don't really care much about them (Jews). So JKR is free to ignore
them (as also Japanese, Koreans, and Chinks) and does so.

Dave
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238170 ] Di, 14 März 2006 10:47
dsueme  
Jonathan Rodriguez wrote:

> I don't see why being Jewish could be Controversial...Seriously it is 2006
> Humans should learn to stop caring about color, race or religions, but to
> answer your question I don't think she is Jewish and it wouldn't matter one
> bit if she was with me, all that matters is that she is a Kind, Generous and
> Loving person who would risk her life for Friendship if asked and that to me
> is all that matters.

<sob>!

Dave
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238177 ] Di, 14 März 2006 12:37
Dancing Queen  
<sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142284352.156509.283040 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist
>
> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
> pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
> something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
> does, that it is implied?
>

hermione is such a stickler for rules, that if she was jewish, she would
spend a great deal of time observing the various traditions and laws, and
that would certainly impact on what she does each day, JKR would have
mentioned it by now....

mind you, i like the parents are dentists theory.......

chris
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238179 ] Di, 14 März 2006 13:05
simdave2000  
> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.

Any post regarding religion is likely to "start trouble"...but I'll
hear you out.

> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:

> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist

Your friend seems to be very stereotypical, but not with any
stereotypes I'm aware of. I live in a community with a very high
Jewish population, and I've never heard a single one of those. It's
not because people don't make fun of them...it's a bit of a running
joke in my town. They make fun of themselves all the time, but not for
the things listed above.

I think "rather annoying at times" can apply to ANYONE, whether they be
Jewish or Christian or anything else. And I think Hermione is a
"social activist" because she's so caring - not all Jews are social
activists, you know.

> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes

Well, you're doing a fine job of promoting them.

> (didn't even know
> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
> pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
> something that could be so controversial

Even if Hermione was Jewish, I sincerely believe that JKR would never
choose to put those stereotypes in. After all, she's said Hermione is
based loosely on a younger her, so we know this is coming from her
heart, not her social views.

> but do you think as my friend
> does, that it is implied?

Therefore, no.

--David
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238188 ] Di, 14 März 2006 17:54
Messalina  
Bajori wrote:
> <sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142284352.156509.283040 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> > trouble.
> >
> > My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> > Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
> >
> > *bushy hair
> > *brainy
> > *rather annoying at times
> > *social activist
>
>
> Major flaw in the theory: she isn't interested in banking, remember?
>

So goblins are Jewish?

Mez
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238212 ] Di, 14 März 2006 23:06
pooter  
John VanSickle [evilsnack [at] earthlink.net] said
> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
> > First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> > trouble.
> >
> > My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> > Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> Are there enough Jewish people in Britain for JKR to think of putting a
> Jewish character into the series?
>

LOL!
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238219 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 00:47
2000man  
> > Major flaw in the theory: she isn't interested in banking, remember?
> >
>
> So goblins are Jewish?
>
> Mez
maybe its the reverse
maybe jews are part goblin
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238286 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 15:10
Phil  
Hermione is a greek name, not jewish.
And she's W.A.S.P.
The name "Granger" is as wasp as they come


<sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142284352.156509.283040 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
> trouble.
>
> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> *bushy hair
> *brainy
> *rather annoying at times
> *social activist
>
> Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
> that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
> Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
> have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
> humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
> pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
> something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
> does, that it is implied?
>
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238287 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 15:11
Phil  
"David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1142329622.754251.222700 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jonathan Rodriguez wrote:
>
>> I don't see why being Jewish could be Controversial...Seriously it is
>> 2006
>> Humans should learn to stop caring about color, race or religions, but to
>> answer your question I don't think she is Jewish and it wouldn't matter
>> one
>> bit if she was with me, all that matters is that she is a Kind, Generous
>> and
>> Loving person who would risk her life for Friendship if asked and that to
>> me
>> is all that matters.
>
> <sob>!
>
> Dave
>
With me it was a yawn, followed by a muttered "jesus christ...." on reading
it.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238288 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 15:12
Phil  
"Weird Beard" <weird_beard [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:36:08 GMT, "Paul Evans"
> <paul.evans913 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote the following in
> alt.fan.harry-potter:
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> Major flaw in the theory: she isn't interested in banking, remember?
>>>
>> <sarcasm>Yes, because banking is a major Jewish trait, isn't
>> it?</sarcasm>
>>
> I thinki you missed the point: Bajori's comment was sarcasm directed at
> the
> original poster.

The only points the PC types see is the one their heads are shaped as in the
mirror.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238289 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 15:13
Phil  
"Messalina" <messalinana [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Bajori wrote:
>> <sjmcarter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1142284352.156509.283040 [at] p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> > First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>> > trouble.
>> >
>> > My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>> > Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>> >
>> > *bushy hair
>> > *brainy
>> > *rather annoying at times
>> > *social activist
>>
>>
>> Major flaw in the theory: she isn't interested in banking, remember?
>>
>
> So goblins are Jewish?
>
> Mez
>
Yeah, why not.
Myself, I thinkj they are Church of England like me.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238290 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 15:15
Phil  
"mag3" <zmpmag3-xxxx [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 13 Mar 2006 13:12:32 -0800, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
>>First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>>trouble.
>>
>>My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>>Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>>
>>*bushy hair
>>*brainy
>>*rather annoying at times
>>*social activist
>>
>
> That could be a number of different ethnicities, actually. Furthermore, if
> that's
> what your friend believes being Jewish is, even in part, I would aruge
> that perhaps
> your friend is living a bit of a "sheltered life" even in respect to his
> own ethnicity.
> People come in all shapes, sizes. colors, faiths etc. No single ethnicity
> has a lock
> on any physical attribute or personality/behavioral attribute.
>
>> My friend has a tendency to be
>>humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
>>pointed this out.
>
> And in doing so, I think your friend is doing himself and perhaps his
> ethnicity
> a huge disservice by propagating such false stereotypes, as others will
> start
> to believe them and propagate them, using them amongst themselves. I've
> seen it happen elsewhere.
>
>> I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
>>something that could be so controversial
>> but do you think as my friend
>>does, that it is implied?
>
> I really don't think she was considering any ethnicity at all. The only
> reference at all to
> religion (and I think these things are there only for the comfort of the
> primary audience)
> are the Christmas references etc. and the fact that wizzards/witches get
> married, have
> funerals, etc. etc. IIRC, there may be references to babies being
> "Christened/Baptized,"
> and, of course, to "Godfathers." And we know at least that Hermione gives
> Christmas
> gifts to her friends, but even that's not a valid indicator as many Jewish
> people actually
> celebrate Christmas, at least as a "cultural" holiday if not a religious
> one.
>
> Point being, I can't tell for sure what Hermione's religion is, and I
> can't see how your
> friend can tell for sure either. But why bother pondering it? It has no
> bering on the
> story or Potterverse in general.
>
>
> ____________________________________________
> Regards,
>
> Arnold

If the friend (and I suspect the original poster) want Hermione to be
jewish, it doesnt bother me one whit.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238291 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 15:16
Phil  
"Thom Madura" <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
..
>
> It IS possible that Hermione is a stereotype of what people think Jewish
> women are - but there a lot of traits of the typical JAP (Jewish American
> Princess) that Hermione definitely does not meet.

Mainly (and best) that she ISN'T a yank ?
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238292 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 15:17
Phil  
"Weird Beard" <weird_beard [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:12:32 GMT, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote the following
> in alt.fan.harry-potter:
>
>> First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>> trouble.
>>
>> My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>> Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>>
>> *bushy hair
>> *brainy
>> *rather annoying at times
>> *social activist
>>
> You have a stupid friend.
>
> But don't worry, so does he.

Harsh, but amusing.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238293 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 15:21
Phil  
"Toon" <toon [at] toon.com> wrote in message
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> On 13 Mar 2006 13:12:32 -0800, sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
>>First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>>trouble.
>>
>>My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>>Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>
> Well, maybe she's quite the lucky one. There's only one student who's
> a Jew, and that's strictly by last name only (and if his mom's not, he
> might not be either. Course, I still want to know what Hogwarts does
> for Chanukah. No way Dumbledore would make a fuss over Christmas and
> screw other religions out.
>
>>*bushy hair
> Could be.
>
>>*brainy
> Yuppers. W e were a highly intelligent lot, very well read, being
> literate in a time of illiteracy.
>
>>*rather annoying at times
>
> Not a single Jew has ever fallen into this category. Nor married ones
> neither.
>
>>*social activist
>
> Yeah, sure fine. Why not?
>
>

The danger for aany succesful series is when minorities start to demand
changes to suit them.
Jews, unlike virtually every other one, have never fallen into this
catagory - don't start, please.
Not the first time on here, of course - the gay and far more paticularly,
lesbian - mob mouthed off a year ago on here, demanding gay and lesbian
characters.
Wont do a series themeselves, cause it'd fail - but they're used to
hijacking others efforts.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238302 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 18:10
Fish Eye no Miko  
Phil wrote:

> Hermione is a greek name, not jewish.

So she's Greek?

> And she's W.A.S.P.

I thought you were implying that she was Greek....

> The name "Granger" is as wasp as they come

Last I checked, you can't always tell by someone's name.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"When Catherine thinks you're too gay, you're too gay."
-Rob Fontenot, aka The Midnight Rambler, RATMM.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238303 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 18:13
Fish Eye no Miko  
Phil wrote:

> Not the first time on here, of course - the gay and far more
> paticularly, lesbian - mob mouthed off a year ago on here,
> demanding gay and lesbian characters.

Please point to one post where someone *demanded* gay and lesbian
characters? Not just thought it would be cool, or speculated about existing
characters being gay, but actually demanded it.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"If it weren't for the dozens of idiot drivers in front of you, you'd be
home by now."
-Rock station advertisement.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238304 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 18:50
Thomas Madura  
Toon wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:57:52 GMT, Thom Madura
> <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>First, please no flames or insults; this post is not intended to start
>>>trouble.
>>>
>>>My friend (who happens to be Jewish American) insists that Hermione is
>>>Jewish. When I asked him why, he listed the following characteristics:
>>>
>>>*bushy hair
>>>*brainy
>>>*rather annoying at times
>>>*social activist
>>>
>>>Now, I don't personally believe these stereotypes (didn't even know
>>>that most of them existed, as I honestly don't know if a person is
>>>Jewish unless they are wearing a yarmulka or star of David, or maybe
>>>have a Hebrew sounding last name), but my friend has a tendency to be
>>>humorously self-depricatingin a John Stewart/Seinfeld sort of way, and
>>>pointed this out. I seriously doubt Rowling would even go for
>>>something that could be so controversial, but do you think as my friend
>>>does, that it is implied?
>>>
>>
>>
>>No - you are wrong. "jewish" is a religion - not a nationality. My
>>second wife - who was a German of the Jewish Faith - had gorgeous long
>>silky Blond Hair and a light complexion. She was a conservative - not a
>>social activist. Nor was she particulary Brainy - at least not to the
>>nerd level.
>>
>>It IS possible that Hermione is a stereotype of what people think Jewish
>>women are - but there a lot of traits of the typical JAP (Jewish
>>American Princess) that Hermione definitely does not meet.
>
>
> She's not American. Why would she simulate a JAP? She'd be a JBP

No - there are real Pricesses in "b" - not in "a"
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238305 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 18:52
Thomas Madura  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:

> Phil wrote:
>
>
>>Hermione is a greek name, not jewish.
>
>
> So she's Greek?
>
>
>>And she's W.A.S.P.
>
>
> I thought you were implying that she was Greek....
>
>
>>The name "Granger" is as wasp as they come
>
>
> Last I checked, you can't always tell by someone's name.
>
> Catherine Johnson.

At least the US presidents last name allows you to.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238312 ] Mi, 15 März 2006 21:10
sjmcarter  
Phil wrote:
> If the friend (and I suspect the original poster) want Hermione to be
> jewish, it doesnt bother me one whit.

No, I wouldn't care either way, actually. I do not practice Judaism,
nor does anyone in my immediate family. I was raised Baptist but as an
adult consider atheist or agnostic, or both, depending on how one
chooses to define the terms. The Jewish people that I do know look
quite Caucasian (I'm not), and maybe I'm not looking hard enough but
the only time I have ever been able to look at a person and tell they
were of the Jewish religion or what have you is when they have long
sideburns and wear yarmulkas, or perhaps a star of David on a cain
around their necks. I have no stake in Hermione being any religion (or
ethnicity, as some people think). I asked for the same reason I ask
how long it takes thestrals to fly from Scotland to London, or how far
north Hogwarts is: I'm interested in the HP universe and think these
small pieces of info really flesh out the story. Geez, I know some
people are really touchy about religion/ethnicity, but I assumed that
the AFHPers could deal with a simple question.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238322 ] Do, 16 März 2006 02:47
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-03-15 12:52:47 -0500, Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> said:

> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>
>> Phil wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hermione is a greek name, not jewish.
>>
>>
>> So she's Greek?
>>
>>
>>> And she's W.A.S.P.
>>
>>
>> I thought you were implying that she was Greek....
>>
>>
>>> The name "Granger" is as wasp as they come
>>
>>
>> Last I checked, you can't always tell by someone's name.
>>
>> Catherine Johnson.
>
> At least the US presidents last name allows you to.


So, you're saying Bush is Greek?

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238327 ] Do, 16 März 2006 03:05
Jonathan Rodriguez  
"Phil" <phil_k [at] lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:1142329622.754251.222700 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Jonathan Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>>> I don't see why being Jewish could be Controversial...Seriously it is
>>> 2006
>>> Humans should learn to stop caring about color, race or religions, but
>>> to
>>> answer your question I don't think she is Jewish and it wouldn't matter
>>> one
>>> bit if she was with me, all that matters is that she is a Kind, Generous
>>> and
>>> Loving person who would risk her life for Friendship if asked and that
>>> to me
>>> is all that matters.
>>
>> <sob>!
>>
>> Dave
>>
> With me it was a yawn, followed by a muttered "jesus christ...." on
> reading it.
>

so glad I could help you find your sleep and religion again.
Re: Is Hermione Jewish [message #238347 ] Do, 16 März 2006 07:45
mcdowella  
In article <1142453444.701215.83440 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
sjmcarter [at] gmail.com writes
>
>Phil wrote:
>> If the friend (and I suspect the original poster) want Hermione to be
>> jewish, it doesnt bother me one whit.
>
>No, I wouldn't care either way, actually. I do not practice Judaism,
>nor does anyone in my immediate family. I was raised Baptist but as an
>adult consider atheist or agnostic, or both, depending on how one
>chooses to define the terms. The Jewish people that I do know look
>quite Caucasian (I'm not), and maybe I'm not looking hard enough but
>the only time I have ever been able to look at a person and tell they
>were of the Jewish religion or what have you is when they have long
>sideburns and wear yarmulkas, or perhaps a star of David on a cain
>around their necks. I have no stake in Hermione being any religion (or
>ethnicity, as some people think). I asked for the same reason I ask
>how long it takes thestrals to fly from Scotland to London, or how far
>north Hogwarts is: I'm interested in the HP universe and think these
>small pieces of info really flesh out the story. Geez, I know some
>people are really touchy about religion/ethnicity, but I assumed that
>the AFHPers could deal with a simple question.
>
I'm no expert on Jewish dietary laws, but I suspect that Hermione eats
bacon. HBP, just after the start of "The Half-Blood Prince" has "While
they tucked into porridge and eggs and bacon, Harry and Ron told
Hermione about their embarrassing conversation with Hagrid the previous
evening." (not conclusive, I admit. Hermione COULD have been reading a
coffee table book on trichinosis with a pointed expression on her face
while Ron and Harry ate).

I've been looking for scenes at Hogwarts at breakfast time, but I
haven't made a very thorough search, and there's "The Burrow" as well.
Sausages would be worth looking out for, too. I don't know if this is
the same overseas or not, but in the UK sausages labelled Pork are a lot
more usual than those labelled beef (I can't speak for what's actually
in them, though perhaps at Hogwarts and The Burrow that may actually
include meat :-)).
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