| Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #231746] |
So, 12 März 2006 19:46 |
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It has occured to me that while a numer of the cut scenes from ALL of
the movies survived in some way into the movie - sometimes shorter - and
sometimes through dialog - that they would not have filmed a scene -
even if it was later cut - that didn't mean something to the overall
plot of the series of books. They would not have spent the money
otherwise - noting the expense is enormous for only a few minutes of
filming.
It would seem that those who have the DVDs with the cut scenes have
added insight on what direction the plot will go.
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| Re: Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #231747 ] |
So, 12 März 2006 19:54 |
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On 2006-03-12 13:46:12 -0500, Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> said:
> It has occured to me that while a numer of the cut scenes from ALL of
> the movies survived in some way into the movie - sometimes shorter -
> and sometimes through dialog - that they would not have filmed a scene
> - even if it was later cut - that didn't mean something to the overall
> plot of the series of books. They would not have spent the money
> otherwise - noting the expense is enormous for only a few minutes of
> filming.
>
> It would seem that those who have the DVDs with the cut scenes have
> added insight on what direction the plot will go.
Disagree. JKR was consulted on all of the movies as to what had to be
there for
the flow of the plotline to the final movie. If something is left in
the movie, that means
it is crucial for the plot and could give clues as to where everything
is going.
So it's quite the opposite. The omitted portions will give less an
indication of JKR's
direction than those parts that were left in the final print.
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Enjoy,
Zolak of Twylo
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| Re: Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #231863 ] |
Mo, 13 März 2006 21:04 |
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Zolak of Twylo wrote:
> On 2006-03-12 13:46:12 -0500, Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net>
> said:
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>> It has occured to me that while a numer of the cut scenes from ALL of
>> the movies survived in some way into the movie - sometimes shorter -
>> and sometimes through dialog - that they would not have filmed a scene
>> - even if it was later cut - that didn't mean something to the overall
>> plot of the series of books. They would not have spent the money
>> otherwise - noting the expense is enormous for only a few minutes of
>> filming.
>>
>> It would seem that those who have the DVDs with the cut scenes have
>> added insight on what direction the plot will go.
>
>
> Disagree. JKR was consulted on all of the movies as to what had to be
> there for
> the flow of the plotline to the final movie. If something is left in
> the movie, that means
> it is crucial for the plot and could give clues as to where everything
> is going.
>
> So it's quite the opposite. The omitted portions will give less an
> indication of JKR's
> direction than those parts that were left in the final print.
>
Look at it again - I am NOT talking about those plot lines that didn't
make it into the script - I am talking about the plot lines that made it
into the script but didn't get into the final movie cut.
Based on the cost per minute of making movies - it doesn't make sense
that they would even shoot something that would eventually be cut. My
guess is that while some of the cut scenes may not have fit into the
released movie - jsut the fact that they SHOT them means they must have
meant something.
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| Re: Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #231866 ] |
Mo, 13 März 2006 21:09 |
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On 2006-03-13 15:04:35 -0500, Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> said:
> Zolak of Twylo wrote:
>
>> On 2006-03-12 13:46:12 -0500, Thom Madura <Thom-Madura [at] Worldnet.att.net> said:
>>
>>> It has occured to me that while a numer of the cut scenes from ALL of
>>> the movies survived in some way into the movie - sometimes shorter -
>>> and sometimes through dialog - that they would not have filmed a scene
>>> - even if it was later cut - that didn't mean something to the overall
>>> plot of the series of books. They would not have spent the money
>>> otherwise - noting the expense is enormous for only a few minutes of
>>> filming.
>>>
>>> It would seem that those who have the DVDs with the cut scenes have
>>> added insight on what direction the plot will go.
>>
>>
>> Disagree. JKR was consulted on all of the movies as to what had to be
>> there for
>> the flow of the plotline to the final movie. If something is left in
>> the movie, that means
>> it is crucial for the plot and could give clues as to where everything
>> is going.
>>
>> So it's quite the opposite. The omitted portions will give less an
>> indication of JKR's
>> direction than those parts that were left in the final print.
>>
>
>
> Look at it again - I am NOT talking about those plot lines that didn't
> make it into the script - I am talking about the plot lines that made
> it into the script but didn't get into the final movie cut.
>
> Based on the cost per minute of making movies - it doesn't make sense
> that they would even shoot something that would eventually be cut. My
> guess is that while some of the cut scenes may not have fit into the
> released movie - jsut the fact that they SHOT them means they must have
> meant something.
Not necessarily. I read your post quite well. Most movies have many
scenes that were shot
and then discarded. That's nothing remarkable here. Again, if those
cut scenes were
pertinent, they would not have been cut if JKR was consulted on such matters.
Also, remember that for a time, the director was thinking of making two
separate movies
out of the book, so of course they shot a lot of scenes that didn't
make the cut.
I fully understand what you are trying to say. I just don't agree.
Those scenes that were
shot and then cut won't give us any clues as to where the plot is going
in Book 7. Only
the scenes left in will do that.
--
Enjoy,
Zolak of Twylo
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| Re: Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #238173 ] |
Di, 14 März 2006 11:15 |
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Thom Madura wrote:
> Look at it again - I am NOT talking about those plot lines that didn't
> make it into the script - I am talking about the plot lines that made it
> into the script but didn't get into the final movie cut.
>
Can you give any examples of scenes that were cut from the movie but
important to the overall plot?
Right now, I am thinking of lots of scenes that were cut and
unimportant.
For example, from the first movie, we had a scene of Harry seeing his
aunt "cooking" his new school uniform (Dudley's old one), while Dudley
gets his photo taken. I can't imagine that being helpful to the future
plot. Or Seamus having hair missing off the back of his head.
Or the Hogwarts song? How does that help?
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| Re: Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #238306 ] |
Mi, 15 März 2006 18:55 |
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friesian [at] zoocrewphoto.com wrote:
> Thom Madura wrote:
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>
>>Look at it again - I am NOT talking about those plot lines that didn't
>>make it into the script - I am talking about the plot lines that made it
>>into the script but didn't get into the final movie cut.
>>
>
>
> Can you give any examples of scenes that were cut from the movie but
> important to the overall plot?
>
> Right now, I am thinking of lots of scenes that were cut and
> unimportant.
>
> For example, from the first movie, we had a scene of Harry seeing his
> aunt "cooking" his new school uniform (Dudley's old one), while Dudley
> gets his photo taken. I can't imagine that being helpful to the future
> plot. Or Seamus having hair missing off the back of his head.
>
> Or the Hogwarts song? How does that help?
>
I don't have those DVDs - I was just wondering what was on them. I am in
the Movie business and it just seemed that they might help because they
would not shoot them if they did not want them to be in the movie - at
least originally. I was under the impression that at least one was a
longer version of a scene that actually made it into the movie.
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| Re: Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #238349 ] |
Do, 16 März 2006 09:54 |
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Thom Madura wrote:
> I don't have those DVDs - I was just wondering what was on them. I am in
> the Movie business and it just seemed that they might help because they
> would not shoot them if they did not want them to be in the movie - at
> least originally. I was under the impression that at least one was a
> longer version of a scene that actually made it into the movie.
There are lots of scenes *in* the movie that were not in the books. So,
I guess I don't see how it makes a difference. Just because it was
filmed does not mean it is important.
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| Re: Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #238394 ] |
Do, 16 März 2006 17:51 |
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One of the outtakes on the DVD was a conversation between Karkaroff and
Snape about the appearance of the Dark Mark.
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, friesian [at] zoocrewphoto.com wrote:
>
> Thom Madura wrote:
>
>> I don't have those DVDs - I was just wondering what was on them. I am in
>> the Movie business and it just seemed that they might help because they
>> would not shoot them if they did not want them to be in the movie - at
>> least originally. I was under the impression that at least one was a
>> longer version of a scene that actually made it into the movie.
>
> There are lots of scenes *in* the movie that were not in the books. So,
> I guess I don't see how it makes a difference. Just because it was
> filmed does not mean it is important.
>
>
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| Re: Thoughts about the "outakes" [message #238435 ] |
Fr, 17 März 2006 01:37 |
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Annie D Li wrote:
> One of the outtakes on the DVD was a conversation between Karkaroff and
> Snape about the appearance of the Dark Mark.
A short scene of that was in the final cut, so I would think the
important part was in the movie.
I guess I am not seeing any evidence that scenes shot *but not in the
final cut* are important to the final book.
There are plenty of scenes in the movies that were never in the books,
so just because something was in the script or filmed, doesn't make it
important to the final plot with Harry and Voldemort.
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