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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » Emma saves the day
Emma saves the day [message #231579] Sa, 11 März 2006 15:30
kenjohnston  
Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really seems to
be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression really jump
out.
The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon. I think his
acting is very good, but the reason people don't like his Dumbledore is
because of the costume. He looks like he shops at a second hand store.


Ken
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231630 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 19:16
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Emma saves the day [message #231632 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 20:04
drusilla  
IMS escribió:
> On 11 Mar 2006 06:30:54 -0800, "doppleganger" <kenjohnston [at] rogers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really seems to
>> be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression really jump
>> out.
>> The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon. I think his
>> acting is very good, but the reason people don't like his Dumbledore is
>> because of the costume. He looks like he shops at a second hand store.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>
> I used to think this until as well until the last movie, GOF. I think
> she goes Wayyyyyy overboard in the emotions in sevearl of her scenes.
>
>
She is as un-Hermy-ish as Gambon is un-Dumbledore-ish, IMO...
(What I've just written makes any sense...? because I can't pronounce that)
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231634 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 20:10
sjmcarter  
She wasn't so bad in the first two movies, the third was ok, this
last one she overacted to the point where it was painful to watch. The
only personality semblace that she has to the Hermione in canon is the
tendency towards bitchiness (excuse my French).

Gambon as DD is downright scary. In GoF, the dude looked like an
aging hippy with mood swings. The books portray DD as cool, calm, and
very sage, but the last flick had him being a bit aggressive and stoned
out, IMO.

While we're on the topic of actors, Rubert Grint and Tom Felton were
never particularly good in my opinion. Grint just basically has this
dumb expression on his fce 90% of the time, and Felton just wears a
sneer. Pretty static. Daniel Radcliffe isn't so bad, but then again
his characetr doesn't seem to require a deviation from the "normal"
guy.
Still, I think the movie was rather well.
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231638 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 20:58
Lady Grey  
IMS wrote:
> On 11 Mar 2006 06:30:54 -0800, "doppleganger" <kenjohnston [at] rogers.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really seems to
> >be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression really jump
> >out.
> >The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon. I think his
> >acting is very good, but the reason people don't like his Dumbledore is
> >because of the costume. He looks like he shops at a second hand store.
> >
> >
> >Ken
>
> I used to think this until as well until the last movie, GOF. I think
> she goes Wayyyyyy overboard in the emotions in sevearl of her scenes.

yeah, she can do 'bossy or angry' well but not 'oh no, times are
changing aren't there?' and definately not 'why is ron being such a
pr*ck?'

--
Jane Grey
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231650 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 22:19
pooter  
doppleganger [kenjohnston [at] rogers.com] said
> Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really seems to
> be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression really jump
> out.
> The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon. I think his
> acting is very good, but the reason people don't like his Dumbledore is
> because of the costume. He looks like he shops at a second hand store.
>
>
> Ken

Stop kidding about! :-)
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231655 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 22:59
Fish Eye no Miko  
doppleganger wrote:

> Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really
> seems to be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression
> really jump out.

I thought she was a melodramatic twit in GoF.

> The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon.

Now if only the director actually understood the character enough not to
have Gambon play him like a feeble old man (no relation to Gary Oldman).

Catherine Johnson.
--
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Re: Emma saves the day [message #231656 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 23:01
Fish Eye no Miko  
sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:

> She wasn't so bad in the first two movies, the third was ok, this
> last one she overacted to the point where it was painful to watch.
> The only personality semblace that she has to the Hermione in
> canon is the tendency towards bitchiness (excuse my French).
> Gambon as DD is downright scary. In GoF, the dude looked like an
> aging hippy with mood swings. The books portray DD as cool, calm,
> and very sage, but the last flick had him being a bit aggressive
> and stoned out, IMO.

In his defense, I thought he did fine in PoA. I think the director is to
blame for DD's "scary"-ness. I'm not sure about Hermione.

Catherine Johnson.
--
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Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231659 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 23:11
Lady Grey  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
<snip>
> Now if only the director actually understood the character enough not to
> have Gambon play him like a feeble old man (no relation to Gary Oldman).

teehee!

--
Jane Grey
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231661 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 23:21
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-03-11 17:01:21 -0500, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> said:

> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
>> She wasn't so bad in the first two movies, the third was ok, this
>> last one she overacted to the point where it was painful to watch.
>> The only personality semblace that she has to the Hermione in
>> canon is the tendency towards bitchiness (excuse my French).
>> Gambon as DD is downright scary. In GoF, the dude looked like an
>> aging hippy with mood swings. The books portray DD as cool, calm,
>> and very sage, but the last flick had him being a bit aggressive
>> and stoned out, IMO.
>
> In his defense, I thought he did fine in PoA. I think the director is
> to blame for DD's "scary"-ness. I'm not sure about Hermione.
>
> Catherine Johnson.


Also in his defense, his is a thankless job...that of following Richard
Harris, who
created the role on screen and did a such a perfect job of it. I'm
sure Gambon is
a fine actor (though I must confess I'd not heard of him before PoA), but when
you have to do what he did, it's tough. Do you try to emulate Harris? No, the
critics would call that derivative. Do you do your own thing? No, the
great fans
would gripe that the character wasn't as good as Harris'. It's a
lose-lose situation.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231667 ] So, 12 März 2006 00:08
Kish  
Zolak of Twylo wrote:
> On 2006-03-11 17:01:21 -0500, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> said:
>
>> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> She wasn't so bad in the first two movies, the third was ok, this
>>> last one she overacted to the point where it was painful to watch.
>>> The only personality semblace that she has to the Hermione in
>>> canon is the tendency towards bitchiness (excuse my French).
>>> Gambon as DD is downright scary. In GoF, the dude looked like an
>>> aging hippy with mood swings. The books portray DD as cool, calm,
>>> and very sage, but the last flick had him being a bit aggressive
>>> and stoned out, IMO.
>>
>>
>> In his defense, I thought he did fine in PoA. I think the director is
>> to blame for DD's "scary"-ness. I'm not sure about Hermione.
>>
>> Catherine Johnson.
>
>
>
> Also in his defense, his is a thankless job...that of following Richard
> Harris, who
> created the role on screen and did a such a perfect job of it.

I thought Harris was a long way from perfect, actually. Too feeble, not
enough humor.

I'm not going to comment on Gambon's role in Goblet of Fire because I
still haven't seen it, but for him to do significantly better than
Harris in my view is certainly a theoretical possibility. It sounds
like the director's instructions are--poorly-chosen.
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231671 ] So, 12 März 2006 00:30
Paul Evans  
"doppleganger" <kenjohnston [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1142087454.527422.150840 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really seems to
> be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression really jump
> out.
> The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon. I think his
> acting is very good, but the reason people don't like his Dumbledore is
> because of the costume. He looks like he shops at a second hand store.
>
>
> Ken
>

I always thought Dumbledore appeared as though he did his shopping at Oxfam
or something.

Anyway, I've not seen GoF yet (not out here until the 20th, although if I'm
really desperate, the local Odeon's still showing it in the afternoons) , so
I can't pass any comments on the acting abilities of the three main stars
yet, but going back to PoA, I thought Gambon did a good job of Dumbledore
considering the circumstances of the time. It was certainly clear from
reading comments on IMDb and other places that he would be damned if he
performed as well as (or better than) Harris, and damned if he didn't by
hardcore HP fans. He couldn't win really. Personally, I have no problem with
his portrayal of Dumbledore at all - it's the character Kloves came up with,
that differed so much to the book that I have a problem with.

Emma's performance in CoS and PoA had always, to me stood out the strongest
amongst the three stars, mainly because she seems good at doing emotional
scenes (perhaps this may be a reason why Hermione is the one who ends up
with the lines Ron was supposed to say), but I found her performance in PS
nauseating because of the way she over-emphasised everything she said, to
the extent that I found the character, Hermione, very very annoying, and
almost unwatchable at times. But then, Hermione was just as annoying in the
book too...

Paul.
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231675 ] So, 12 März 2006 03:28
drusilla  
Zolak of Twylo escribió:
> On 2006-03-11 17:01:21 -0500, "Fish Eye no Miko"
> <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> said:
>
>> sjmcarter [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> She wasn't so bad in the first two movies, the third was ok, this
>>> last one she overacted to the point where it was painful to watch.
>>> The only personality semblace that she has to the Hermione in
>>> canon is the tendency towards bitchiness (excuse my French).
>>> Gambon as DD is downright scary. In GoF, the dude looked like an
>>> aging hippy with mood swings. The books portray DD as cool, calm,
>>> and very sage, but the last flick had him being a bit aggressive
>>> and stoned out, IMO.
>>
>> In his defense, I thought he did fine in PoA. I think the director is
>> to blame for DD's "scary"-ness. I'm not sure about Hermione.
>>
>> Catherine Johnson.
>
>
> Also in his defense, his is a thankless job...that of following Richard
> Harris, who
> created the role on screen and did a such a perfect job of it. I'm sure
> Gambon is
> a fine actor (though I must confess I'd not heard of him before PoA),

Ha! Mee too. I mean, I've seen his movies but I have no idea which was
his name..

> but when
> you have to do what he did, it's tough. Do you try to emulate Harris?
> No, the
> critics would call that derivative. Do you do your own thing? No, the
> great fans
> would gripe that the character wasn't as good as Harris'. It's a
> lose-lose situation.

He wasn's suppose tp emulate no one but the Dumbledore from the book.
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231685 ] So, 12 März 2006 06:19
simdave2000  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> doppleganger wrote:
>
> > Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really
> > seems to be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression
> > really jump out.
>
> I thought she was a melodramatic twit in GoF.

Agreed. Then again, it's not her fault...actors and actresses get
quite a raw deal, really, as they can only do what they're told. And
no matter what one person tells you to do, someone else will say
different.

Emma Watson is, in terms of acting ability, probably the best of the
trio...but still has a very, very long way to go if you ask me.

Her eyebrows kill me! GAH. <-- (had to get that out of my system)

> > The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon.
>
> Now if only the director actually understood the character enough not to
> have Gambon play him like a feeble old man (no relation to Gary Oldman).

*sigh* It seems like movies will never be made for their fans...

Although I wish Gambon would take a look at Standard Answers 1-6 and
get an actual feel for his character.

> Catherine Johnson.
> --
> fenm at cox dot net
> "If it weren't for the dozens of idiot drivers in front of you, you'd be
> home by now."
> -Rock station advertisement.

--David
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231688 ] So, 12 März 2006 06:49
Fish Eye no Miko  
simdave2000 [at] gmail.com wrote:

> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>> doppleganger wrote:
>>
>>> Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson
>>> really seems to be the best actor of the three. Her range and
>>> expression really jump out.
>>
>> I thought she was a melodramatic twit in GoF.
>
> Agreed. Then again, it's not her fault...actors and actresses get
> quite a raw deal, really, as they can only do what they're told.
> And no matter what one person tells you to do, someone else
> will say different.

True...

> Emma Watson is, in terms of acting ability, probably the best of the
> trio...but still has a very, very long way to go if you ask me.

Yeah.

> Her eyebrows kill me! GAH. <-- (had to get that out of my system)
>
>>> The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon.
>>
>> Now if only the director actually understood the character enough
>> not to have Gambon play him like a feeble old man (no relation to
>> Gary Oldman).
>
> *sigh* It seems like movies will never be made for their fans...

No.

> Although I wish Gambon

....you mean the directors and scripwriters...

> would take a look at Standard Answers 1-6 and
> get an actual feel for his character.

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"If it weren't for the dozens of idiot drivers in front of you, you'd be
home by now."
-Rock station advertisement.
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231690 ] So, 12 März 2006 06:55
simdave2000  
>> Although I wish Gambon

> ...you mean the directors and scripwriters...

Well yeah, but I kind of figured that was assumed...

I particularly singled Gambon out because he has said in interviews
that he hasn't read a single one, and that he feels no need to.
(Although I'm sure you already knew that.)

Let's keep our fingers crossed for OotP. But who knows, Kloves might
not have been the only problem (undoubtedly he is a huge factor
though).

--David
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231703 ] So, 12 März 2006 11:49
Deevo  
"doppleganger" <kenjohnston [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1142087454.527422.150840 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really seems to
> be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression really jump
> out.

Haven't got the DVD here yet, comes in April, but I've seen the film more
than once at the cinema. As for Emma's performance to date I'd agree to a
point that she's been the best of the younger actors to date but to say that
she 'saves the day' would be a gross understatement. If anything the guys,
Dan and Rupert, have really stepped up to the crease on GOF and the three of
them are better balanced in their performances than ever.

> The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon. I think his
> acting is very good, but the reason people don't like his Dumbledore is
> because of the costume. He looks like he shops at a second hand store.

I'm still a tad undecided about Gambon, on one hand he plays the almost
manic aspect of Dumbledore really well but on the other he doesn't remotely
capture the wisdom and knowledge that Harris did. How much of this has been
down to him and how much to the writers and directors is questionable
though.

I was a bit disturbed to hear that he hadn't felt the need to read the
books, I would have thought a good actor would want to find as much
background on his character as possible.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
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Re: Emma saves the day [message #231704 ] So, 12 März 2006 11:50
Deevo  
<simdave2000 [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142142936.615580.22900 [at] j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> I particularly singled Gambon out because he has said in interviews
> that he hasn't read a single one, and that he feels no need to.
> (Although I'm sure you already knew that.)

Got a cite for that? If it's true then it's very dissapointing.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231733 ] So, 12 März 2006 17:23
simdave2000  
<big snip>

>Got a cite for that? If it's true then it's very dissapointing.

Sadly, yes:

Empire: Are you kind of easing into the role a bit more now you have
done one film as Dumbledore?
Gambon: I just play him as myself, I don't ease myself into any role
really. I stick a beard on and play me. Every part I play is just a
variant of my own personality. No real character actor, of course, just
me.

Empire: Have you still not read any of the books?
Gambon: Well, I don't see any point. I've got the scripts. People
who have read the books get miserable because of all the bits that have
been cut out. So I just read the script. That's the best way.

The full interview with Empire Magazine Online is here:

http://www.empireonline.com/interviews_and_events/interview. asp?IID=365

--David
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231754 ] So, 12 März 2006 20:47
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-03-12 11:23:14 -0500, simdave2000 [at] gmail.com said:

> <big snip>
>
>> Got a cite for that? If it's true then it's very dissapointing.
>
> Sadly, yes:
>
> Empire: Are you kind of easing into the role a bit more now you have
> done one film as Dumbledore?
> Gambon: I just play him as myself, I don't ease myself into any role
> really. I stick a beard on and play me. Every part I play is just a
> variant of my own personality. No real character actor, of course, just
> me.
>
> Empire: Have you still not read any of the books?
> Gambon: Well, I don't see any point. I've got the scripts. People
> who have read the books get miserable because of all the bits that have
> been cut out. So I just read the script. That's the best way.

I made the statement that he may be a fine actor. I take that back. I good
actor does his research before taking on a part.

Note to Michael Gambon: THAT MEANS READING THE BOOKS, YOU
STUPID IDIOT!!!!!!!

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231757 ] So, 12 März 2006 21:01
Brian  
Zolak of Twylo wrote:
> I made the statement that he may be a fine actor. I take that back.
> [A] good actor does his research before taking on a part.

He did the research he thought he needed. Perhaps he's just Newell's
man, through and through.

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Re: Emma saves the day [message #231759 ] So, 12 März 2006 21:45
drusilla  
Brian Tung escribió:
> Zolak of Twylo wrote:
>> I made the statement that he may be a fine actor. I take that back.
>> [A] good actor does his research before taking on a part.
>
> He did the research he thought he needed. Perhaps he's just Newell's
> man, through and through.

LOL. I don't know why, but that made me laugh.
In any case, Newell should have read the book. Did he?. I don't know
about Columbus, but Cuaron read it later.
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231775 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 00:36
wadkin2000  
drusilla wrote:
> Brian Tung escribi=F3:
> > Zolak of Twylo wrote:
> >> I made the statement that he may be a fine actor. I take that back.
> >> [A] good actor does his research before taking on a part.
> >
> > He did the research he thought he needed. Perhaps he's just Newell's
> > man, through and through.
>
> LOL. I don't know why, but that made me laugh.
> In any case, Newell should have read the book. Did he?. I don't know
> about Columbus, but Cuaron read it later.


It will be interesting to see what happens with OOTP with Michael
Goldenberg writing the screenplay instead of Steve Kloves. Kloves is
back for Book 6. Michael Goldenberg and David Yates (director) don't
exactly have the most impressive resumes, IMO.
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231793 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 06:23
John VanSickle  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:

> doppleganger wrote:
>
>
>>Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really
>>seems to be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression
>>really jump out.
>
>
> I thought she was a melodramatic twit in GoF.
>
>
>>The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon.
>
>
> Now if only the director actually understood the character enough not to
> have Gambon play him like a feeble old man (no relation to Gary Oldman).

It could be a case of a director who knows how D's protrayed in the
books, but for some reason thinks the new Dumbledore is better. Which
is nuts, of course.

Regards,
John
Dumbledore fhtagn!
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231826 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 14:11
Greg Fuller  
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:59:07 -0700, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:

>doppleganger wrote:
>
>> Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really
>> seems to be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression
>> really jump out.
>
>I thought she was a melodramatic twit in GoF.

Indeed, but she was just one of several characters acting out of
character in GoF. But it's not Emma Watson's fault -- Like Michael
Gambon and all the other actors, she has to pretty much do as she's
told by the director.

>> The other person who impresses me is Michael Gambon.
>
>Now if only the director actually understood the character enough not to
>have Gambon play him like a feeble old man (no relation to Gary Oldman).

If only the director understood all the characters enough to have them
played properly...

Greg
Re: Emma saves the day [message #231829 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 16:46
RWF  
In article <IMHQf.401$PE.40 [at] fed1read05>,
"Fish Eye no Miko" <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> wrote:

> doppleganger wrote:
>
> > Having watched the DVD several times now, Emma Watson really
> > seems to be the best actor of the three. Her range and expression
> > really jump out.
>
> I thought she was a melodramatic twit in GoF.

I have to completely agree with you here. Talk about over the top.

I think she's the least talented of the three, myself. But different
strokes, of course......

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