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More wondering... [message #231506] Sa, 11 März 2006 00:14
Magic_mom  
First, if this has been brought up before, someone just tell me where.
I didn't find anything about it.

So with that said... suppose you are just a typical muggle, happily
living your life blissfully unaware of the magical world. One day in
your mailbox, you find a letter from some place called Hogwarts School
of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Your child has magical abilities and should
come to their school. Now... what would you reeeallly think about that?
It would end up in the fireplace with all the other junk mail, right?
How does Ms. Rowling reconcile this with the supposed *Secret* of the
magical world? Do we assume all muggle parents of magical children feel
the same way as the muggle prime minister, after being told about it?
"Are YOU going to tell anybody?" Is there a squad of memory modifying
witches and wizards who's sole job is to fly around taking care of any
muggles who happen to find out that little Johnny or Janie next door is
a witch or wizard? If Hermione had, as she said, "Only tried out a few
but they've all worked for me.." something would be noticed somewhere..
there would just truly be no way to keep something like that completely
secret forever.

Is this one of those things we are just supposed to gloss over and
assume would be perfectly legitimate? I mean, I KNOW it's fictional and
fantasy.. but....

M_m
Re: More wondering... [message #231509 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 00:48
Fish Eye no Miko  
Magic_mom wrote:

> First, if this has been brought up before, someone just tell me
> where. I didn't find anything about it.
> So with that said... suppose you are just a typical muggle, happily
> living your life blissfully unaware of the magical world. One day in
> your mailbox, you find a letter from some place called Hogwarts
> School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Your child has magical abilities
> and should come to their school. Now... what would you reeeallly
> think about that?

I would wonder why something like this was sent to me, since I have no
children and I'm WAY over 11 years old.

Catherine Johnson. Well, you did ask... ^_^
--
"Damn it, there's so many idiots whose asses I have to kick! I'll have to
start carrying a list just to keep track of them all!"
-Edward Elric, _FullMetal Alchemist_.
Re: More wondering... [message #231513 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 01:07
Brent Braten  
"Magic_mom" <SpencerTL [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142032444.153429.239760 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> First, if this has been brought up before, someone just tell me where.
> I didn't find anything about it.
>
> So with that said... suppose you are just a typical muggle, happily
> living your life blissfully unaware of the magical world. One day in
> your mailbox, you find a letter from some place called Hogwarts School
> of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Your child has magical abilities and should
> come to their school. Now... what would you reeeallly think about that?
> It would end up in the fireplace with all the other junk mail, right?
> How does Ms. Rowling reconcile this with the supposed *Secret* of the
> magical world? Do we assume all muggle parents of magical children feel
> the same way as the muggle prime minister, after being told about it?
> "Are YOU going to tell anybody?" Is there a squad of memory modifying
> witches and wizards who's sole job is to fly around taking care of any
> muggles who happen to find out that little Johnny or Janie next door is
> a witch or wizard? If Hermione had, as she said, "Only tried out a few
> but they've all worked for me.." something would be noticed somewhere..
> there would just truly be no way to keep something like that completely
> secret forever.
>
> Is this one of those things we are just supposed to gloss over and
> assume would be perfectly legitimate? I mean, I KNOW it's fictional and
> fantasy.. but....
>
> M_m
>

I seem to remember that she said something to the effect that when a
muggle-born receives their letter it is hand-delivered by either a
representative of the Ministry or, as in Tom Riddle's case, a representative
of the school.

Brent
Re: More wondering... [message #231521 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 02:03
Magic_mom  
Brent Braten wrote:

>
> I seem to remember that she said something to the effect that when a
> muggle-born receives their letter it is hand-delivered by either a
> representative of the Ministry or, as in Tom Riddle's case, a representative
> of the school.
>
> Brent

Ok that sort of works.. but really.. it would have taken two sentences
to explain that in the first book. But then what about keeping the rest
of the muggle world blissfully unaware?

M_m
Re: More wondering... [message #231522 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 03:02
drusilla  
Magic_mom escribió:
> Brent Braten wrote:
>
>> I seem to remember that she said something to the effect that when a
>> muggle-born receives their letter it is hand-delivered by either a
>> representative of the Ministry or, as in Tom Riddle's case, a representative
>> of the school.
>>
>> Brent
>
> Ok that sort of works.. but really.. it would have taken two sentences
> to explain that in the first book. But then what about keeping the rest
> of the muggle world blissfully unaware?
>
> M_m

I suppose if your kid is a wizard, you wouldn't go around telling
everyone, in fact, for his/her own protection. Perhaps a MoM
representative also advises you to keep it quiet. ('Our world is a
secret to muggles, we ask you not to tell...').
Now, if the kid's parents don't want him/her to go Hogwarts, I suppose
they also might keep it in secret. No way they might erase their
memories, that won't erase the fact that the boy/girl behaves funny.
Re: More wondering... [message #231539 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 06:24
Steve Morrison  
Brent Braten wrote:

>
> I seem to remember that she said something to the effect that when a
> muggle-born receives their letter it is hand-delivered by either a
> representative of the Ministry or, as in Tom Riddle's case, a representative
> of the school.
>
> Brent

This is what she said:

In the case of Muggle parents, special messengers are sent to
explain everything to them. But don't forget that they will have
noticed that there's something strange about their child for the
previous ten years, so it won't come as a complete bolt from the
blue.

(from the World Book Day Chat, March 4, 2004)
Re: More wondering... [message #231573 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 12:40
DM  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> Magic_mom wrote:
>
>
>>First, if this has been brought up before, someone just tell me
>>where. I didn't find anything about it.
>>So with that said... suppose you are just a typical muggle, happily
>>living your life blissfully unaware of the magical world. One day in
>>your mailbox, you find a letter from some place called Hogwarts
>>School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Your child has magical abilities
>>and should come to their school. Now... what would you reeeallly
>>think about that?
>
>
> I would wonder why something like this was sent to me, since I have no
> children and I'm WAY over 11 years old.
>
> Catherine Johnson. Well, you did ask... ^_^

I'd be saying, "Those damn telemarketers!! How the fuck did they get my
address?!"

Seriously, I'm more curious about the how kids would react to being
introduced to the magical world. Think about it. Traditionally, children
are indoctrinated by fairy tales to fear witches and giants and goblins.
Suddenly, they are thrust into a world were all these things are as
common as Muggles in the Muggle world. Sure, the more intelligent (or
less intelligent) kids might easily adjust, but there has to be loads of
kids who'd require extensive counseling.

And how does the magical world deal with troubled youths? Do you think
there's some sort of Ritalin equivalent potion for those wizard kids
with ADD?

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Re: More wondering... [message #231580 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 15:31
John VanSickle  
Brent Braten wrote:

> I seem to remember that she said something to the effect that when a
> muggle-born receives their letter it is hand-delivered by either a
> representative of the Ministry or, as in Tom Riddle's case, a representative
> of the school.

Crap, I've got some fanfic to rewrite...

Regards,
John
Re: More wondering... [message #231662 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 23:39
wadkin2000  
DM wrote:
> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> > Magic_mom wrote:
> >
> >
> >>First, if this has been brought up before, someone just tell me
> >>where. I didn't find anything about it.
> >>So with that said... suppose you are just a typical muggle, happily
> >>living your life blissfully unaware of the magical world. One day in
> >>your mailbox, you find a letter from some place called Hogwarts
> >>School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Your child has magical abilities
> >>and should come to their school. Now... what would you reeeallly
> >>think about that?
> >
> >
> > I would wonder why something like this was sent to me, since I have no
> > children and I'm WAY over 11 years old.
> >
> > Catherine Johnson. Well, you did ask... ^_^
>
> I'd be saying, "Those damn telemarketers!! How the fuck did they get my
> address?!"
>
> Seriously, I'm more curious about the how kids would react to being
> introduced to the magical world. Think about it. Traditionally, children
> are indoctrinated by fairy tales to fear witches and giants and goblins.
> Suddenly, they are thrust into a world were all these things are as
> common as Muggles in the Muggle world. Sure, the more intelligent (or
> less intelligent) kids might easily adjust, but there has to be loads of
> kids who'd require extensive counseling.
>
> And how does the magical world deal with troubled youths? Do you think
> there's some sort of Ritalin equivalent potion for those wizard kids
> with ADD?
>
> --
> DM
> ---
>
> ,_,
> (O,O)
> ( )
> -"-"-
>
> dm1498 (at) gmail.com
> ---
> "RUN, SCABBERS, RUN!" - Jenny Lestrange
> "I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids!"
> - Lord Voldemort
>
> HPCode(v1.1) S PS++COS++POA+++*GOF+++OOTP+HBP+++FF= QA
> CH+++DD+++HB-HM+*PO+++TR+AR++CM++
> HP/Gi-RW/Ch-CC/Mn-FW/GW/Ol-NL/Fl-SS/Um-VK/Ka


Probably engineered by the pharmaceutical companies to get their
"magical world acceptance" drug on the market without trial-testing and
the AMA to have a new specialization in psychiatry: "Now how old were
you when you first noticed you could turn your dog into a snake?"
Re: More wondering... [message #231668 ] So, 12 März 2006 00:13
Louis Epstein  
drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
: Magic_mom escribi?:
:> Brent Braten wrote:
:>
:>> I seem to remember that she said something to the effect that when a
:>> muggle-born receives their letter it is hand-delivered by either a
:>> representative of the Ministry or, as in Tom Riddle's case, a representative
:>> of the school.
:>>
:>> Brent
:>
:> Ok that sort of works.. but really.. it would have taken two sentences
:> to explain that in the first book. But then what about keeping the rest
:> of the muggle world blissfully unaware?
:>
:> M_m
:
: I suppose if your kid is a wizard, you wouldn't go around telling
: everyone, in fact, for his/her own protection. Perhaps a MoM
: representative also advises you to keep it quiet. ('Our world is a
: secret to muggles, we ask you not to tell...').
: Now, if the kid's parents don't want him/her to go Hogwarts, I suppose
: they also might keep it in secret. No way they might erase their
: memories, that won't erase the fact that the boy/girl behaves funny.

But would the MoM modify the memories of the less discreet parents?
How would the child of Obliviated parents react on finding that out?

The real credibility problem,I think,is the supposed ignorance of all
things Muggle by people who have a constant influx of Muggle-borns.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Re: More wondering... [message #231810 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 09:40
dsueme  
Magic_mom wrote:

> So with that said... suppose you are just a typical muggle, happily
> living your life blissfully unaware of the magical world. One day in
> your mailbox, you find a letter from some place called Hogwarts School
> of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Your child has magical abilities and should
> come to their school. Now... what would you reeeallly think about that?
> It would end up in the fireplace with all the other junk mail, right?

Er, did you actually read "Harry Potter and the Nasty Muggles who
didn't want him to go to Hogwarts"? It was the first book in the
series. In it one "J. K. Rowling" describes missives from "Hogwarts"
that are distinguishable from the typical "VISA" solicitation in
several particulars...

1. Local delivery by air mail...

2. Unusually high quality stationary...

3. Artistic hand lettering in an unusual color... (some poor third
world natives offer an archaic alternative spelling for "color") - they
also have "automobiles" that aren't really automobiles because the
Prince of Darkness forbids their engines from starting)...

Much as I detest HP6, I am persuaded that "J. K. Rowling" earned the
first half of her billion dollar fortune by delivering three novels
that aren't junk mail.

Dave
Re: More wondering... [message #231811 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 09:41
dsueme  
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:

> I would wonder why something like this was sent to me, since I have no
> children and I'm WAY over 11 years old.

Ten points for Hufflepuff!

Dave
Re: More wondering... [message #238368 ] Do, 16 März 2006 11:11
richard e white  
Magic_mom wrote:

> First, if this has been brought up before, someone just tell me where.
> I didn't find anything about it.

It was commented on but I don't remember the subject heading. And it has
been awhile so who cares.

>
>
> So with that said... suppose you are just a typical muggle, happily
> living your life blissfully unaware of the magical world. One day in
> your mailbox, you find a letter from some place called Hogwarts School
> of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Your child has magical abilities and should
> come to their school. Now... what would you reeeallly think about that?
> It would end up in the fireplace with all the other junk mail, right?

At first. But like with Harry more would show up. And with normal
situwaytions a member of the mom from Muggle affaires would show up to
explain it to the parents. Remember that Hagrid thought that harry had
already been told by the dursly's. He was surprised that Harry didn't know
about his mother and dad.

>
> How does Ms. Rowling reconcile this with the supposed *Secret* of the
> magical world? Do we assume all muggle parents of magical children feel
> the same way as the muggle prime minister, after being told about it?

There is some diffrence of openions about this. I rather think it depends
on the person the mom sends. Some like the toad would just rewrite the
parents memorys. People like DD would explain about the dangers of not
teaching the kid and then leave. But most if not all people could be shown
how useful it could be. So most would take it. the few that are left are
said to live out there life as muggles. Weather there magic is lost with
out training we don't know but everything else that is not used tends to
get weaker.

>
> "Are YOU going to tell anybody?" Is there a squad of memory modifying
> witches and wizards who's sole job is to fly around taking care of any
> muggles who happen to find out that little Johnny or Janie next door is
> a witch or wizard?

Yes there is. They are called the obleaveater squad. Sorry I can't get
that spelled right. See the office list in book 5 as harry goes for his
hearing and you will see mention of there office. and in book 4 we see
ron's dad mention one and we see one at work with mister roberts at the
camp ground.


> If Hermione had, as she said, "Only tried out a few
> but they've all worked for me.." something would be noticed somewhere..
> there would just truly be no way to keep something like that completely
> secret forever.

First off most people don't belive what they see. second most woun't
belive them. and at any time some one gets to big of a problum the mom
sends some one to modafy there minds. so yes you could keep it for ever.
well but for a fringe group that every one thinks of as nuts. and rember
that some people who are saying there is magic come out saying they where
jokeing after there minds have been changed.

>
> Is this one of those things we are just supposed to gloss over and
> assume would be perfectly legitimate? I mean, I KNOW it's fictional and
> fantasy.. but....

If you understand the idea of magic and that one group can change anothers
mind then yes you are to just take it.
The bigger question is on the morals of it as a main theam of the books.

>
>
> M_m




--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Re: More wondering... [message #238369 ] Do, 16 März 2006 11:16
richard e white  
drusilla wrote:

> Magic_mom escribi=F3:
> > Brent Braten wrote:
> >
> >> I seem to remember that she said something to the effect that when a=

> >> muggle-born receives their letter it is hand-delivered by either a
> >> representative of the Ministry or, as in Tom Riddle's case, a repres=
entative
> >> of the school.
> >>
> >> Brent
> >
> > Ok that sort of works.. but really.. it would have taken two sentence=
s
> > to explain that in the first book. But then what about keeping the re=
st
> > of the muggle world blissfully unaware?
> >
> > M_m
>
> I suppose if your kid is a wizard, you wouldn't go around telling
> everyone, in fact, for his/her own protection. Perhaps a MoM
> representative also advises you to keep it quiet. ('Our world is a
> secret to muggles, we ask you not to tell...').
> Now, if the kid's parents don't want him/her to go Hogwarts, I suppose
> they also might keep it in secret. No way they might erase their
> memories, that won't erase the fact that the boy/girl behaves funny.

The bigger question is do they let them tell people. Remember there is a=
charm
that if used the parents and kid would never be able to tell anyone.
But in many ways I still thinks it depends on how the magical person take=
s the
muggle reaction and how close to the law they stay.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Re: More wondering... [message #238510 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 21:45
Lady Grey  
David Sueme wrote:
> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>
> > I would wonder why something like this was sent to me, since I have no
> > children and I'm WAY over 11 years old.
>
> Ten points for Hufflepuff!

who died and made dave headmaster?

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