| RotS question on "communing" [message #228573] |
Do, 02 März 2006 18:47 |
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Very near the end of RotS, Yoda says to Obi-Wan that he will teach O-W
how to commune with his former master and old friend, Qui-Gon. In eps
IV, V, and VI, O-W is able to talk and show himself to Luke, and I
assume that Qui-Gon was to do the same with O-W after RotS. But Luke
never needed to "learn" to communicate with the dead Obi-Wan.
So what exactly is Yoda telling O-W in that last part of the Revenge of
the Sith?
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| Re: RotS question on "communing" [message #228574 ] |
Do, 02 März 2006 19:41 |
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In article <1141321674.931359.34580 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
biowarble [at] hotmail.com says...
> Very near the end of RotS, Yoda says to Obi-Wan that he will teach O-W
> how to commune with his former master and old friend, Qui-Gon. In eps
> IV, V, and VI, O-W is able to talk and show himself to Luke, and I
> assume that Qui-Gon was to do the same with O-W after RotS. But Luke
> never needed to "learn" to communicate with the dead Obi-Wan.
That's because Qui-Gon only learned enough to maintain his identify in
the Force. Obi-Wan not only maintained his identity, but was able to
manifest his presence in the form of a "Force Ghost". By appearing in
the Ghost form, he could initiate communication with Luke without Luke
needing to learn any special techniques.
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| Re: RotS question on "communing" [message #228578 ] |
Fr, 03 März 2006 01:53 |
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<biowarble [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141321674.931359.34580 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Very near the end of RotS, Yoda says to Obi-Wan that he will teach O-W
> how to commune with his former master and old friend, Qui-Gon. In eps
> IV, V, and VI, O-W is able to talk and show himself to Luke, and I
> assume that Qui-Gon was to do the same with O-W after RotS.
> But Luke
> never needed to "learn" to communicate with the dead Obi-Wan.
No, no, everyone's misconstruing those visitation scenes. It's not Luke
that's communing with Obi-Wan, it's Obi-Wan's old "friend" Artoo. Obi-Wan
just nudges Artoo from the netherworlds and tell him "Yo, Artoo, I have a
message for your Master. You know what a smart person does when he's being
shot at by fifty stormtroopers and your friends are trying to get their ship
launched? Uh, can you say 'RUN', idiot." Artoo then creates Obi-Wan's voice
and image with his holoprojector in a way that makes Luke think he's hearing
and seeing old Ben. Notice how much like a hologram those Jedi ghosts looks
like and how Luke never hears from Obi-Wan unless Artoo is nearby. Well,
except for that one visitation on Hoth but Luke was delirious then so he
probably conjured up that one out of his mind. Everyone just assumes Yoda
lived on Dagobah from the end of ROTS to mid-ROTJ. But ROTS never
established where Yoda's immediate destination was. In reality, Yoda only
went to Dagobah after he saw through the Force that Luke was on his way
there and looking for him, and thus turned Luke's hypothermia-driven
delusion into reality.
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| Re: RotS question on "communing" [message #228579 ] |
Fr, 03 März 2006 04:15 |
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"everyone's misconstruing those visitation scenes. It's not Luke that's
communing with Obi-Wan, it's Obi-Wan's old "friend" Artoo. Obi-Wan just
nudges Artoo from the netherworlds and tell him "Yo, Artoo, I have a
message for your Master. You know what a smart person does when he's
being shot at by fifty stormtroopers and your friends are trying to get
their ship launched? Uh, can you say 'RUN', idiot." Artoo then creates
Obi-Wan's voice and image with his holoprojector in a way that makes
Luke think he's hearing and seeing old Ben. Notice how much like a
hologram those Jedi ghosts looks like and how Luke never hears from
Obi-Wan unless Artoo is nearby. Well, except for that one visitation on
Hoth but Luke was delirious then so he probably conjured up that one out
of his mind. Everyone just assumes Yoda lived on Dagobah from the end of
ROTS to mid-ROTJ. But ROTS never established where Yoda's immediate
destination was. In reality, Yoda only went to Dagobah after he saw
through the Force that Luke was on his way there and looking for him,
and thus turned Luke's hypothermia-driven delusion into reality."
LOL. A very imaginative hypothesis. i like it.
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| Re: RotS question on "communing" [message #228580 ] |
Fr, 03 März 2006 04:28 |
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biowarble [at] hotmail.com
"Very near the end of RotS, Yoda says to Obi-Wan that he will teach O-W
how to commune with his former master and old friend, Qui-Gon. In eps
IV, V, and VI, O-W is able to talk and show himself to Luke, and I
assume that Qui-Gon was to do the same with O-W after RotS. But Luke
never needed to "learn" to communicate with the dead Obi-Wan.
So what exactly is Yoda telling O-W in that last part of the Revenge of
the Sith?"
it seemed that what Yoda said was that Qui-Gon was the first to be able
to communicate back from The "Force Netherworld". it was therefore a new
technique that Yoda had yet to develop fully and maybe he and OW worked
on it together. Obi-wan had became far more adept at it by Ch's 4, 5 and
6. Also, Luke was the son of Anakin and far more Force Adept and
sensitive than the average jedi, so he was probably in tune with the
force far more than the average trainee or padawan, or even Jedi Master.
So he could "see" things with far less formal training than other Jedi
candidates,
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| Re: RotS question on "communing" [message #228588 ] |
Sa, 04 März 2006 00:07 |
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biowarble [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> Very near the end of RotS, Yoda says to Obi-Wan that he will teach O-W
> how to commune with his former master and old friend, Qui-Gon. In eps
> IV, V, and VI, O-W is able to talk and show himself to Luke, and I
> assume that Qui-Gon was to do the same with O-W after RotS. But Luke
> never needed to "learn" to communicate with the dead Obi-Wan.
>
> So what exactly is Yoda telling O-W in that last part of the Revenge of
> the Sith?
>
Luke has better antennas.
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