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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » Most ruthless Bond moments.....
| Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227577] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:22 |
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With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his film
career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has perpetrated on
other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to five examples ;-)
I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227580 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:32 |
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Will wrote:
> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his film
> career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has perpetrated on
> other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to five examples ;-)
> I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
--Kicking Loque's car off the cliff. (FYEO)
--"Can my wife sit here? She's just dead." Swinging Fiona around to
take the bullet for him. (TB)
--"Where's Fekish?" Getting the answer, then pulling his tie away and
letting the guy fall anyway. (TSWLM)
--"You've had your six." Shooting Dent, then shooting him again in the
back to make sure he's dead. (DN)
--"Old man." Just the LOOK on Connery as he looks down on the dead
Grant. GREAT take. (FRWL)
Strangely enough, despite being "the most dangerous Bond. Ever," they
really didn't give Dalton a good ruthless scene. Maybe "Compliments of
Sharky" in LTK, or "You earned it, you keep it -- 'old buddy.'"
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227582 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:35 |
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"Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
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> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his
> film career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has
> perpetrated on other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to
> five examples ;-) I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
>
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Off the top of my head......Bond shoots Vargas with the spear gun in
TB.....Bond shoots Prof. Dent in DN......Bond snaps Jacques Boitier's neck
in the teaser in TB.....Bond knocks the bald henchman's hand off his tie in
TSWLM.....Bond burns Sanchez alive in LTK.....actually, there are quite a
few others, lol
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227583 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:36 |
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Will wrote:
> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his film
> career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has perpetrated on
> other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to five examples ;-)
> I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
Initial thoughts, in no particular order:
1. Executing Dent in DN.
2. Dropping Killifer into the shark tank in LTK.
3. Pushing Locque's car off the cliff in FYEO.
4. Shooting Elektra in TWINE.
5. Letting Volpe take the bullet in TB.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227584 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:37 |
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JHause wrote:
> Will wrote:
> > With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his film
> > career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has perpetrated on
> > other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to five examples ;-)
> > I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
>
> --Kicking Loque's car off the cliff. (FYEO)
> --"Can my wife sit here? She's just dead." Swinging Fiona around to
> take the bullet for him. (TB)
> --"Where's Fekish?" Getting the answer, then pulling his tie away and
> letting the guy fall anyway. (TSWLM)
> --"You've had your six." Shooting Dent, then shooting him again in the
> back to make sure he's dead. (DN)
> --"Old man." Just the LOOK on Connery as he looks down on the dead
> Grant. GREAT take. (FRWL)
>
> Strangely enough, despite being "the most dangerous Bond. Ever," they
> really didn't give Dalton a good ruthless scene. Maybe "Compliments of
> Sharky" in LTK, or "You earned it, you keep it -- 'old buddy.'"
Thinking about it, I take it back. I loved Dalton's laugh after the
plane escape in LTK after kicking the guy out to his death and seeing
the money in the back of the plane. A delightful disregard for human
life!
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227585 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:42 |
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"JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote in message
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> Will wrote:
>> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his
>> film
>> career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has perpetrated
>> on
>> other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to five examples ;-)
>> I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
>
> --Kicking Loque's car off the cliff. (FYEO)
> --"Can my wife sit here? She's just dead." Swinging Fiona around to
> take the bullet for him. (TB)
> --"Where's Fekish?" Getting the answer, then pulling his tie away and
> letting the guy fall anyway. (TSWLM)
> --"You've had your six." Shooting Dent, then shooting him again in the
> back to make sure he's dead. (DN)
> --"Old man." Just the LOOK on Connery as he looks down on the dead
> Grant. GREAT take. (FRWL)
>
> Strangely enough, despite being "the most dangerous Bond. Ever," they
> really didn't give Dalton a good ruthless scene. Maybe "Compliments of
> Sharky" in LTK, or "You earned it, you keep it -- 'old buddy.'"
>
Good ones. I was thinking of the Loque one, too. The fight scene in FRWL was
the most brutal in the series. Another good one is in GF, where Bond lets
the belly dancer girl get hit over the head instead of him, then he
electrocutes the guy in the tub.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227586 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:44 |
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Will wrote:
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> Good ones. I was thinking of the Loque one, too. The fight scene in FRWL was
> the most brutal in the series. Another good one is in GF, where Bond lets
> the belly dancer girl get hit over the head instead of him, then he
> electrocutes the guy in the tub.
Ha! That was great! Probably the inspiration for Fiona taking the
bullet in TB, too.
Let's not forget Bond basically taking Pussy Galore without her consent
in the barn in GF. NO WAY do they try a scene like that again.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227587 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:45 |
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"Paul Clarke" <jim_caerleon [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wgnLf.4235$vC4.1790 [at] clgrps12...
> Will wrote:
>> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his
>> film career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has
>> perpetrated on other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to
>> five examples ;-) I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
>
> Initial thoughts, in no particular order:
>
> 1. Executing Dent in DN.
> 2. Dropping Killifer into the shark tank in LTK.
> 3. Pushing Locque's car off the cliff in FYEO.
> 4. Shooting Elektra in TWINE.
> 5. Letting Volpe take the bullet in TB.
>
I forgot about the shark tank scene....good one.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227588 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:43 |
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The Dr No- Dent "you've had your six" (or is it five?) springs to mind. And
it's the most famous.
But there's been more ruthless scenes in the Brosnan era. The killing of the
girl at the end of TWINE, or the Kaufman killing in TND. . but the Dr No
shooting is particularly 'cold' isn't it?
When we look at a film series that has transcended both cinematic fashions
and society's varying acceptance of screen violence, it's quite a difficult
question!
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227589 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:50 |
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"suave harv" <shutyertrap [at] foodnotpints.com> wrote in message
news:dtkvno$l8s$1 [at] nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> The Dr No- Dent "you've had your six" (or is it five?) springs to mind.
> And
> it's the most famous.
> But there's been more ruthless scenes in the Brosnan era. The killing of
> the
> girl at the end of TWINE, or the Kaufman killing in TND. . but the Dr No
> shooting is particularly 'cold' isn't it?
> When we look at a film series that has transcended both cinematic fashions
> and society's varying acceptance of screen violence, it's quite a
> difficult
> question!
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I liked the Elektra scene and it was a good one. The Dr. Kaufman scene
didn't strike me as very convincing because his character was too much of a
cliche' to me.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227590 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:52 |
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Yeah. I think the difference is he didn't HAVE to kill Dent, or kick
Loque off the cliff. He probably didn't have to kill Killifer, either.
You could argue that he was actually hurting his mission by not
capturing these people and getting more information that could've
helped his case. He just wanted to. The Elektra and Kaufman killings
were the only choices available at the time. I don't think they were
particularly ruthless (if you have to rank executions, I mean, lol).
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227591 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:56 |
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"JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1140720723.639217.322400 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Yeah. I think the difference is he didn't HAVE to kill Dent, or kick
> Loque off the cliff. He probably didn't have to kill Killifer, either.
> You could argue that he was actually hurting his mission by not
> capturing these people and getting more information that could've
> helped his case. He just wanted to. The Elektra and Kaufman killings
> were the only choices available at the time. I don't think they were
> particularly ruthless (if you have to rank executions, I mean, lol).
>
I agree. That's why I don't rank the fight scene in FRWL, because Bond had
no choice in that situation. It was either him or Grant.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227602 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 21:17 |
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"JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1140719535.232121.285010 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> Will wrote:
>> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his
>> film
>> career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has perpetrated
>> on
>> other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to five examples ;-)
>> I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
>
> --Kicking Loque's car off the cliff. (FYEO)
> --"Can my wife sit here? She's just dead." Swinging Fiona around to
> take the bullet for him. (TB)
> --"Where's Fekish?" Getting the answer, then pulling his tie away and
> letting the guy fall anyway. (TSWLM)
> --"You've had your six." Shooting Dent, then shooting him again in the
> back to make sure he's dead. (DN)
> --"Old man." Just the LOOK on Connery as he looks down on the dead
> Grant. GREAT take. (FRWL)
>
> Strangely enough, despite being "the most dangerous Bond. Ever," they
> really didn't give Dalton a good ruthless scene. Maybe "Compliments of
> Sharky" in LTK, or "You earned it, you keep it -- 'old buddy.'"
>
That last is one of my favorite Dalton moments. Kilifer is trying to get
him to save him by offering him the money (like he could have stopped Bond
if he wanted to considering his position) and 007 chucks it at his chest,
making him grab for it and fall into the shark pool. So ruthless. Of
course, Pam pulls a nice one in LTK as well when Benicio DelToro's character
sees her, laughs, and says "your dead!" and she says "So are you" and plugs
him.
Draugnar
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227604 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 21:51 |
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The thing that makes the DN scene stand out for me, ruthless-wise, is
the way Bond sets Dent up for the kill. Had Dent not gone for the gun,
one has the sense that Bond would not have shot him. But he sits
there, casually chatting away, practically inviting Dent to pick up the
gun, which Bond knows to be empty. Then, to top it all off, he blows
the smoke out of his silencer. Very, very cold.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227605 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 21:55 |
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Draugnar wrote:
> That last is one of my favorite Dalton moments. Kilifer is trying to get
> him to save him by offering him the money (like he could have stopped Bond
> if he wanted to considering his position) and 007 chucks it at his chest,
> making him grab for it and fall into the shark pool. So ruthless.
It's also a reasonably direct reworking of the scene in Fleming's LALD
where Bond takes out the Robber, the man who was responsible for
Leiter's maiming in the book: in both cases, the bad guy's dangling
over the edge of the shark pool, pleading for his life, and Bond, in a
rage, finishes him off. That's one aspect of Fleming's character I did
think Dalton caught quite well, and just maybe better than the others:
in the novels, Bond balks at killing in cold blood, and in general
doesn't particularly enjoy the violence of his trade (he sweats, throws
up, even cries after particularly traumatic or nasty scrapes), but when
it comes to personal revenge a genuine bloodlust takes over. Brosnan
caught some of that aspect of him as well. Connery was and remains The
Man, but he seemed to me to be more of a connoisseur of violence than
Fleming's Bond: note the difference between Fleming's Bond's distaste
for the assassination of Krilencu and Connery's breezily ironic tone.
Not that it isn't a great scene or a great one-liner, mind.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227606 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:00 |
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Mark wrote:
> The thing that makes the DN scene stand out for me, ruthless-wise, is
> the way Bond sets Dent up for the kill. Had Dent not gone for the gun,
> one has the sense that Bond would not have shot him. But he sits
> there, casually chatting away, practically inviting Dent to pick up the
> gun, which Bond knows to be empty. Then, to top it all off, he blows
> the smoke out of his silencer. Very, very cold.
This is in slight contradiction to what I just said, but there is
something slightly rueful and reflective in that last shot. It's held
for just long enough that you can see an expression of weariness and
maybe even distaste on Connery's face IMHO. It's hard to describe,
just a sort of imperceptible slump. That and the look on his face
after 'Tell him he's fired' are just about the only moments I can
recall where Connery shows some distaste for the violence which has
just occurred.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227608 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:21 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140728107.878216.139300 [at] t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> Draugnar wrote:
>
>> That last is one of my favorite Dalton moments. Kilifer is trying to get
>> him to save him by offering him the money (like he could have stopped
>> Bond
>> if he wanted to considering his position) and 007 chucks it at his chest,
>> making him grab for it and fall into the shark pool. So ruthless.
>
> It's also a reasonably direct reworking of the scene in Fleming's LALD
> where Bond takes out the Robber, the man who was responsible for
> Leiter's maiming in the book: in both cases, the bad guy's dangling
> over the edge of the shark pool, pleading for his life, and Bond, in a
> rage, finishes him off. That's one aspect of Fleming's character I did
> think Dalton caught quite well, and just maybe better than the others:
> in the novels, Bond balks at killing in cold blood, and in general
> doesn't particularly enjoy the violence of his trade (he sweats, throws
> up, even cries after particularly traumatic or nasty scrapes), but when
> it comes to personal revenge a genuine bloodlust takes over. Brosnan
> caught some of that aspect of him as well. Connery was and remains The
> Man, but he seemed to me to be more of a connoisseur of violence than
> Fleming's Bond: note the difference between Fleming's Bond's distaste
> for the assassination of Krilencu and Connery's breezily ironic tone.
> Not that it isn't a great scene or a great one-liner, mind.
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>
Dalton caught some of that distaste for violence in TLD when he deliberately
does not kill Kara Milovy. The look on his face after seeing her through the
scope was one of Dalton's best scenes, IMHO.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227611 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:29 |
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At 10:44am -0800, 02/23/06, JHause [at] aol.com wrote:
>Let's not forget Bond basically taking Pussy Galore without her consent
>in the barn in GF. NO WAY do they try a scene like that again.
What, "Gone With the Wind"-style overpowering as romance, or name a lead
character "Pussy"?
That scene is so cartoonish and comical I have a hard time getting mad at
it or ascribing '60's sensibilities to it. If anything, it belongs in a
'50's Western. In the novel, Fleming was merely exploring a theory of
lesbianism, so take it as educational.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227612 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:28 |
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"Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:NO-dndKloqNOn2PeRVn-rA [at] comcast.com...
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> "Paul Clarke" <jim_caerleon [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:wgnLf.4235$vC4.1790 [at] clgrps12...
>> Will wrote:
>>> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his
>>> film career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has
>>> perpetrated on other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to
>>> five examples ;-) I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this
>>> one.....
>>
>> Initial thoughts, in no particular order:
>>
>> 1. Executing Dent in DN.
>> 2. Dropping Killifer into the shark tank in LTK.
>> 3. Pushing Locque's car off the cliff in FYEO.
>> 4. Shooting Elektra in TWINE.
>> 5. Letting Volpe take the bullet in TB.
>>
>
> I forgot about the shark tank scene....good one.
I still think sticking that wee midget in the suitcase in TMWTGG was just
pure evil, oh really nasty
;-)
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227613 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:28 |
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> At 10:44am -0800, 02/23/06, JHause [at] aol.com wrote:
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> >Let's not forget Bond basically taking Pussy Galore without her consent
> >in the barn in GF. NO WAY do they try a scene like that again.
>
> What, "Gone With the Wind"-style overpowering as romance, or name a lead
> character "Pussy"?
>
> That scene is so cartoonish and comical I have a hard time getting mad at
> it or ascribing '60's sensibilities to it. If anything, it belongs in a
> '50's Western. In the novel, Fleming was merely exploring a theory of
> lesbianism, so take it as educational.
I just meant the way he jumped on top of her and continued until she
stopped trying to fight him off. Practically a rape!
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227615 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:33 |
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Will wrote:
> Dalton caught some of that distaste for violence in TLD when he deliberately
> does not kill Kara Milovy. The look on his face after seeing her through the
> scope was one of Dalton's best scenes, IMHO.
Not to mention one of Maibaum's. It demonstrates just how good he was
abbreviating and adapting Fleming's prose for the screen. A thirty
page story is turned into two scenes adding up to a few minutes of
screen time - just those short scenes between Bond and Saunders in the
hotel and car - and yet it *feels* that the essence of the story is all
there. For once, he even gets some lines of Fleming's into the script,
and the words which aren't Fleming's convey the feel of the story
perfectly. Of course the acting by Dalton and Wheatley is what really
makes it fly, but a good actor without a decent script can't give
anything like his best. IMHO it's a masterclass as far as adaptation
is concerned.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227617 ] |
Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:38 |
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"Big Craigie" <bigcraigieyouclothes13 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:NO-dndKloqNOn2PeRVn-rA [at] comcast.com...
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>> "Paul Clarke" <jim_caerleon [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:wgnLf.4235$vC4.1790 [at] clgrps12...
>>> Will wrote:
>>>> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his
>>>> film career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has
>>>> perpetrated on other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to
>>>> five examples ;-) I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this
>>>> one.....
>>>
>>> Initial thoughts, in no particular order:
>>>
>>> 1. Executing Dent in DN.
>>> 2. Dropping Killifer into the shark tank in LTK.
>>> 3. Pushing Locque's car off the cliff in FYEO.
>>> 4. Shooting Elektra in TWINE.
>>> 5. Letting Volpe take the bullet in TB.
>>>
>>
>> I forgot about the shark tank scene....good one.
> I still think sticking that wee midget in the suitcase in TMWTGG was just
> pure evil, oh really nasty
>
> ;-)
>
>
Not too mention hanging him from the boat's mast - ewwwwwww
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Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:40 |
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk [at] chinet.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.63.0602231523510.12420 [at] qbbshf...
> At 10:44am -0800, 02/23/06, JHause [at] aol.com wrote:
>
>>Let's not forget Bond basically taking Pussy Galore without her consent
>>in the barn in GF. NO WAY do they try a scene like that again.
>
> What, "Gone With the Wind"-style overpowering as romance, or name a lead
> character "Pussy"?
>
> That scene is so cartoonish and comical I have a hard time getting mad at
> it or ascribing '60's sensibilities to it. If anything, it belongs in a
> '50's Western. In the novel, Fleming was merely exploring a theory of
> lesbianism, so take it as educational.
I hardly found that scene "cartoonish" or "comical." In the movie, there are
hints that Pussy Galore is a lesbian, and Bond "converts" her in the movie.
I found it quite good, actually.
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Do, 23 Februar 2006 23:28 |
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"Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Big Craigie" <bigcraigieyouclothes13 [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dtl9d9$50r$1 [at] newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
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>> "Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:NO-dndKloqNOn2PeRVn-rA [at] comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Paul Clarke" <jim_caerleon [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:wgnLf.4235$vC4.1790 [at] clgrps12...
>>>> Will wrote:
>>>>> With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his
>>>>> film career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has
>>>>> perpetrated on other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to
>>>>> five examples ;-) I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this
>>>>> one.....
>>>>
>>>> Initial thoughts, in no particular order:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Executing Dent in DN.
>>>> 2. Dropping Killifer into the shark tank in LTK.
>>>> 3. Pushing Locque's car off the cliff in FYEO.
>>>> 4. Shooting Elektra in TWINE.
>>>> 5. Letting Volpe take the bullet in TB.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I forgot about the shark tank scene....good one.
>> I still think sticking that wee midget in the suitcase in TMWTGG was just
>> pure evil, oh really nasty
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>
> Not too mention hanging him from the boat's mast - ewwwwwww
I couldn't watch that one, I had to turn away at that moment.
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Do, 23 Februar 2006 23:52 |
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Big Craigie wrote:
>>>
>>>I still think sticking that wee midget in the suitcase in TMWTGG was just
>>Not too mention hanging him from the boat's mast - ewwwwwww
>
> I couldn't watch that one, I had to turn away at that moment.
I had to turn away for the whole movie.
:-)
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Fr, 24 Februar 2006 00:00 |
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"Paul Clarke" <jim_caerleon [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Big Craigie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I still think sticking that wee midget in the suitcase in TMWTGG was
>>>>just
>>>Not too mention hanging him from the boat's mast - ewwwwwww
>>
>> I couldn't watch that one, I had to turn away at that moment.
>
> I had to turn away for the whole movie.
>
> :-)
That J.W. Pepper stuff really won me over - what a performance ;-)
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227626 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 01:38 |
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Big Craigie, Will:
> > I still think sticking that wee midget in the suitcase in TMWTGG was just
> > pure evil, oh really nasty
>
> Not too mention hanging him from the boat's mast - ewwwwwww
It's been mentioned before, but Moore's Bond is, perhaps surprisingly,
rather a nasty piece of work in his first four films. Consider the
following:
LALD: threatening to shoot a defenceless woman, stacking the tarot
decks so he can deflower a naive virgin -
TMWTGG: midget abuse aside, there's threatening to break a defenceless
woman's arm, taking great and obvious pleasure in threatening to
castrate a potential informant and not seeming to mind particularly if
he does so (what if the rifle wasn't quite as accurate as had been
claimed?) -
TSWLM: using a woman who'd saved his life by alerting him to a gunman
as as a human shield against said gunman, ruthlessly killing a
defenceless potential informant, needlessly blowing up the helicopter
of a female adversary who would probably have assumed he was dead,
pumping multiple bullets into the dying body of an elderly man,
dropping an already incapacitated opponent into a shark tank -
MR: dispatching an already mortally wounded adversary into outer space
-
Compared to the cold-bloodedness of such actions, it seems odd to think
that Moore would balk at the idea of Bond, in a fit of righteous anger,
finishing off a ruthless assassin who'd murdered a colleague of his.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227632 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 02:17 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140741481.047043.83350 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Big Craigie, Will:
>
>> > I still think sticking that wee midget in the suitcase in TMWTGG was
>> > just
>> > pure evil, oh really nasty
>>
>> Not too mention hanging him from the boat's mast - ewwwwwww
>
> It's been mentioned before, but Moore's Bond is, perhaps surprisingly,
> rather a nasty piece of work in his first four films. Consider the
> following:
>
> LALD: threatening to shoot a defenceless woman, stacking the tarot
> decks so he can deflower a naive virgin -
>
The problem with Moore was....threatening and actually doing are two
different things....
> TMWTGG: midget abuse aside, there's threatening to break a defenceless
> woman's arm, taking great and obvious pleasure in threatening to
> castrate a potential informant and not seeming to mind particularly if
> he does so (what if the rifle wasn't quite as accurate as had been
> claimed?) -
>
Personally, when he threatened to break Maud Adams' arm I laughed. It wasn't
particularly convincing from a guy who looked as physically imposing as a
scarecrow, lol - And I might add that he didn't actually castrate anyone, he
just threatened, which goes to my point above.
> TSWLM: using a woman who'd saved his life by alerting him to a gunman
> as as a human shield against said gunman, ruthlessly killing a
> defenceless potential informant, needlessly blowing up the helicopter
> of a female adversary who would probably have assumed he was dead,
> pumping multiple bullets into the dying body of an elderly man,
> dropping an already incapacitated opponent into a shark tank -
>
Those were pretty good ones, I agree.
> MR: dispatching an already mortally wounded adversary into outer space
> -
>
Yeah, but the bad guys always get it, one way or another. It's just a matter
of what method they will use in each particular movie.
> Compared to the cold-bloodedness of such actions, it seems odd to think
> that Moore would balk at the idea of Bond, in a fit of righteous anger,
> finishing off a ruthless assassin who'd murdered a colleague of his.
>
I agree he did have his moments, especially in FYEO and TSWLM.
> Best
>
> Phil
>
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227634 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 02:23 |
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Will wrote:
> > LALD: threatening to shoot a defenceless woman, stacking the tarot
> > decks so he can deflower a naive virgin -
>
> The problem with Moore was....threatening and actually doing are two
> different things....
Well, he, um 'did' Solitaire, so that's one out of two, maybe.
> Personally, when he threatened to break Maud Adams' arm I laughed. It wasn't
> particularly convincing from a guy who looked as physically imposing as a
> scarecrow, lol
And people say Craig's physically wrong for the part :-)
Best
Phil
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227635 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 02:27 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140744211.725579.18590 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Will wrote:
>
>> > LALD: threatening to shoot a defenceless woman, stacking the tarot
>> > decks so he can deflower a naive virgin -
>>
>> The problem with Moore was....threatening and actually doing are two
>> different things....
>
> Well, he, um 'did' Solitaire, so that's one out of two, maybe.
>
Lucky bastard ;-)
>> Personally, when he threatened to break Maud Adams' arm I laughed. It
>> wasn't
>> particularly convincing from a guy who looked as physically imposing as a
>> scarecrow, lol
>
> And people say Craig's physically wrong for the part :-)
>
Craig looks small but he is pretty well built for a small guy. He looks
tough, anyway, lol
> Best
>
> Phil
>
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227655 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 06:49 |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:22:23 -0500, "Will" <willt65 [at] comcast.net>
wrote:
>With a license to kill, James Bond has offed quite a few people in his film
>career. What are some of the most ruthless actions Bond has perpetrated on
>other characters in the films. Let's whittle it down to five examples ;-)
>I'm trying to get my thoughts together on this one.....
Here's 5 NASTY ones for ya!
#1. The brutal way Connery offs Dr. No at the end of Dr. No.
#2. The brutal way Connery offs Rosa Klebb at the end of FRWL.
#3. The brutal way Connery offs Goldfinger at the end of GF.
#4. The brutal way Connery offs Largo at the end of TB.
#5. The brutal way Connery offs Blofeld at the end of YOLT.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227660 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 08:02 |
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:49:39 +0100, dgates <dgates [at] spamlinkline.com> wrote:
> Here's 5 NASTY ones for ya!
>
> #1. The brutal way Connery offs Dr. No at the end of Dr. No.
> #2. The brutal way Connery offs Rosa Klebb at the end of FRWL.
> #3. The brutal way Connery offs Goldfinger at the end of GF.
> #4. The brutal way Connery offs Largo at the end of TB.
> #5. The brutal way Connery offs Blofeld at the end of YOLT.
Out of these five, only No was offed by 007.
--
Garmt de Vries
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227662 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 08:49 |
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At 1:28pm -0800, 02/23/06, JHause [at] aol.com wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>At 10:44am -0800, 02/23/06, JHause [at] aol.com wrote:
>>>Let's not forget Bond basically taking Pussy Galore without her consent
>>>in the barn in GF. NO WAY do they try a scene like that again.
>>What, "Gone With the Wind"-style overpowering as romance, or name a lead
>>character "Pussy"?
>>That scene is so cartoonish and comical I have a hard time getting mad
>>at it or ascribing '60's sensibilities to it. If anything, it belongs in
>>a '50's Western. In the novel, Fleming was merely exploring a theory of
>>lesbianism, so take it as educational.
>I just meant the way he jumped on top of her and continued until she
>stopped trying to fight him off. Practically a rape!
I knew what you meant, that's why I thought of Rhett dragging Scarlett up
the stairs to bed.
But Bond didn't overpower her with physical strength but with his
manliness. She wasn't exhausted. (No man ever got the better of her in her
fight scenes from "The Avengers".) She stopped fighting. At that moment,
she wanted Bond. In the novel, she stopped being a lesbian for the right
kind of man.
It's a favorite silly scene from a wonderful movie and it makes me smile
every time I see it.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227663 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 08:53 |
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At 4:40pm -0500, 02/23/06, willt65 [at] comcast.net wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk [at] chinet.com> wrote:
>>At 10:44am -0800, 02/23/06, JHause [at] aol.com wrote:
>>>Let's not forget Bond basically taking Pussy Galore without her consent
>>>in the barn in GF. NO WAY do they try a scene like that again.
>>What, "Gone With the Wind"-style overpowering as romance, or name a lead
>>character "Pussy"?
>>That scene is so cartoonish and comical I have a hard time getting mad at
>>it or ascribing '60's sensibilities to it. If anything, it belongs in a
>>'50's Western. In the novel, Fleming was merely exploring a theory of
>>lesbianism, so take it as educational.
>I hardly found that scene "cartoonish" or "comical."
I don't think it's meant to be taken seriously.
>In the movie, there are hints that Pussy Galore is a lesbian,
The way she disciplines Goldfinger's all-girl air force?
>and Bond "converts" her in the movie. I found it quite good, actually.
I agree. It's a favorite moment from the movie.
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227672 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 15:55 |
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Dgates, Garmt:
> > #1. The brutal way Connery offs Dr. No at the end of Dr. No.
> > #2. The brutal way Connery offs Rosa Klebb at the end of FRWL.
> > #3. The brutal way Connery offs Goldfinger at the end of GF.
> > #4. The brutal way Connery offs Largo at the end of TB.
> > #5. The brutal way Connery offs Blofeld at the end of YOLT.
>
> Out of these five, only No was offed by 007.
Even that's arguable. To paraphrase that 'Batman Begins' quote,
I think it's less a case of killing No than it is of letting him die.
Add to that the ambiguity about what's happened to Blofeld at the
end of DAF, and it's quite a surprising tally for such a tough-guy
Bond.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227673 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 16:15 |
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This isn't the most ruthless action Bond's committed, but IMHO
it's pretty cold: Bond casually sending the hapless henchman back to
Largo in TB. Bond's dealt with SPECTRE often enough that I suspect
he's got a good idea of what happens to people within the
organisation who screw up. The poor bastard would have been better off
if Bond *had* shot him in the back.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227674 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 16:18 |
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"Garmt de Vries" <garmtdevries [at] googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:op.s5gtt4f9jsw2os [at] nautilus...
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:49:39 +0100, dgates <dgates [at] spamlinkline.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Here's 5 NASTY ones for ya!
>>
>> #1. The brutal way Connery offs Dr. No at the end of Dr. No.
>> #2. The brutal way Connery offs Rosa Klebb at the end of FRWL.
>> #3. The brutal way Connery offs Goldfinger at the end of GF.
>> #4. The brutal way Connery offs Largo at the end of TB.
>> #5. The brutal way Connery offs Blofeld at the end of YOLT.
>
> Out of these five, only No was offed by 007.
>
> --
Ummm, that might be true, but Connery offed just about everyone else around
them.....Vargas, Boutier, Dent, Grant, Oddjob, Wint and Kidd, Franks...etc,
etc. etc....
> Garmt de Vries
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227675 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 16:22 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140794127.590650.203300 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This isn't the most ruthless action Bond's committed, but IMHO
> it's pretty cold: Bond casually sending the hapless henchman back to
> Largo in TB. Bond's dealt with SPECTRE often enough that I suspect
> he's got a good idea of what happens to people within the
> organisation who screw up. The poor bastard would have been better off
> if Bond *had* shot him in the back.
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>
I still love the Vargas scene in that....."I think he got the point."
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227677 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 16:43 |
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Will wrote:
> Ummm, that might be true, but Connery offed just about everyone else around
> them.....Vargas, Boutier, Dent, Grant, Oddjob, Wint and Kidd, Franks...etc,
> etc. etc....
Oh, I'm not implying any criticism, I just find it curious that all the
other Bonds, with the exception of Lazenby, had the satisfaction of
dispatching the major villains at their own hands, whereas Connery
never really did. (IIRC during the post-Connery years, there are just
three 'head' villains for whose deaths Bond is only indirectly
responsible: Kristatos, Khan, and Zorin.) I'm not questioning
Connery's Bond's ruthlessness, toughness, or ability. It just
strikes me as one of those odd bits of trivia.
Best
Phil
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| Re: Most ruthless Bond moments..... [message #227678 ] |
Fr, 24 Februar 2006 16:53 |
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"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140795798.894922.295490 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Will wrote:
>
>> Ummm, that might be true, but Connery offed just about everyone else
>> around
>> them.....Vargas, Boutier, Dent, Grant, Oddjob, Wint and Kidd,
>> Franks...etc,
>> etc. etc....
>
> Oh, I'm not implying any criticism, I just find it curious that all the
> other Bonds, with the exception of Lazenby, had the satisfaction of
> dispatching the major villains at their own hands, whereas Connery
> never really did. (IIRC during the post-Connery years, there are just
> three 'head' villains for whose deaths Bond is only indirectly
> responsible: Kristatos, Khan, and Zorin.) I'm not questioning
> Connery's Bond's ruthlessness, toughness, or ability. It just
> strikes me as one of those odd bits of trivia.
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>
Yeah, I never really thought about it until now....ironically, it was Roger
Moore who did in Blofeld, lol
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