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One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227520] Do, 23 Februar 2006 04:02
WQ  
Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
quite well. He's not a picture-perfect image of Fleming's description
of him, being taller and not as weighty, but otherwise he does seem to
convey an overall look that is relatable to the book's description of
him. His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way he looks in
this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/profiles/martinclunes/martinclu nes-1b.jpg

And that should be the last word on Le Chiffre from me - till the film
comes out, of course.
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227521 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 04:44
JHause  
WQ wrote:
> Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
> he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
> quite well. He's not a picture-perfect image of Fleming's description
> of him, being taller and not as weighty, but otherwise he does seem to
> convey an overall look that is relatable to the book's description of
> him. His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way he looks in
> this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.
>
> http://www.hellomagazine.com/profiles/martinclunes/martinclu nes-1b.jpg
>
> And that should be the last word on Le Chiffre from me - till the film
> comes out, of course.

Perfect but taller and not as weighty? That's your complaint about
EON's choice, too! LOL

Just for that I'm starting a "Boycott Martin Clunes in WQ's Imaginary
CR Movie from His Fake Script" site.
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227531 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 09:31
phil.gerrard1  
WQ wrote:

> Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
> he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
> quite well. He's not a picture-perfect image of Fleming's description
> of him, being taller and not as weighty, but otherwise he does seem to
> convey an overall look that is relatable to the book's description of
> him. His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way he looks in
> this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.

I'm sorry to say this, WQ, but as a Brit, I think that's one of the
most unintentionally hilarious pieces of imaginary casting I've heard
of in years. You've clearly not seen Clunes in anything, but over here
he's best known for broad, laddish comedy, and he's simply not got the
stature or menace required to play such a role. If it was announced
that he was to play Le Chiffre, the reaction in the UK would be that
the casting was one step up from having Rowan Atkinson or Benny Hill
playing the bad guy. If I were you I'd remove that post before any of
my fellow Brits read it, because you'll be ridiculed mercilessly for
having sent it...

Best

Phil
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227532 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 10:12
Garmt de Vries  
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:31:23 +0100, phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com
<phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:

> WQ wrote:
>
>> Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
>> he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
>> quite well. [...] His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way
>> he looks in
>> this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.
>
> I'm sorry to say this, WQ, but as a Brit, I think that's one of the
> most unintentionally hilarious pieces of imaginary casting I've heard
> of in years.

Let's see if I can top it. Neil Morrissey as Bond (hey, at least he isn't
blond), and Caroline Quentin as Vesper.

--
Garmt de Vries
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227533 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 11:16
Kent  
"Garmt de Vries" <garmtdevries [at] googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:op.s5e47iw5jsw2os [at] nautilus...
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:31:23 +0100, phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com
> <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> WQ wrote:
>>
>>> Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
>>> he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
>>> quite well. [...] His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way
>>> he looks in
>>> this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.
>>
>> I'm sorry to say this, WQ, but as a Brit, I think that's one of the
>> most unintentionally hilarious pieces of imaginary casting I've heard
>> of in years.
>
> Let's see if I can top it. Neil Morrissey as Bond (hey, at least he isn't
> blond), and Caroline Quentin as Vesper.


With a cast like that I'm sure there'd be plenty of 'Men Behaving Badly' in
the cinema.....

K
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227539 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 13:04
phil.gerrard1  
Garmt wrote:

> Let's see if I can top it. Neil Morrissey as Bond (hey, at least he isn't
> blond), and Caroline Quentin as Vesper.

Naah, it has to be Leslie Ash:

"Her hair was very blonde and she wore it square and low on the nape
of the neck, framing her face to below the clear and beautiful line of
her jaw. Although it was heavy and moved with the movements of her
head, she did not constantly pat it back into place, but let it alone.
Her eyes were wide apart and deep blue and they stared candidly back at
Bond with an ironical disinterest, which, to his annoyance, he found
that he wanted to shatter, roughly. Her skin was lightly sun tanned and
bore not a trace of make up except on her mouth, which was wide,
sensual, and displayed the 'trout pout' common to so many botched
collagen jobs."

Best

Phil
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227548 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 16:34
WQ  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> WQ wrote:
>
> > Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
> > he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
> > quite well. He's not a picture-perfect image of Fleming's description
> > of him, being taller and not as weighty, but otherwise he does seem to
> > convey an overall look that is relatable to the book's description of
> > him. His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way he looks in
> > this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.
>
> I'm sorry to say this, WQ, but as a Brit, I think that's one of the
> most unintentionally hilarious pieces of imaginary casting I've heard
> of in years. You've clearly not seen Clunes in anything, but over here
> he's best known for broad, laddish comedy, and he's simply not got the
> stature or menace required to play such a role. If it was announced
> that he was to play Le Chiffre, the reaction in the UK would be that
> the casting was one step up from having Rowan Atkinson or Benny Hill
> playing the bad guy. If I were you I'd remove that post before any of
> my fellow Brits read it, because you'll be ridiculed mercilessly for
> having sent it...
>
> Best
>
> Phil

--- I was just going by the look. I glimpsed him in something called
Doc Martin, which didn't strike me as a particularly funny show.
Seemed amusing but sort of dramatic at the same time, but in it he
acted far from being a Benny Hill or Rowan Atkinson by what little I
saw. And who''s to say that a comedian-type couldn't play a straight
villain role, anyway? No more outrageous than a miscast Bond actor or
a tall, model-type Swede [or is it Norwegian?] playing apart meant for
a fat tub of lard. As it's been stressed to me so many times before,
it's all about the acting - right?
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227550 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 16:40
JHause  
WQ wrote:
> phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> > WQ wrote:
> >
> > > Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
> > > he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
> > > quite well. He's not a picture-perfect image of Fleming's description
> > > of him, being taller and not as weighty, but otherwise he does seem to
> > > convey an overall look that is relatable to the book's description of
> > > him. His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way he looks in
> > > this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.
> >
> > I'm sorry to say this, WQ, but as a Brit, I think that's one of the
> > most unintentionally hilarious pieces of imaginary casting I've heard
> > of in years. You've clearly not seen Clunes in anything, but over here
> > he's best known for broad, laddish comedy, and he's simply not got the
> > stature or menace required to play such a role. If it was announced
> > that he was to play Le Chiffre, the reaction in the UK would be that
> > the casting was one step up from having Rowan Atkinson or Benny Hill
> > playing the bad guy. If I were you I'd remove that post before any of
> > my fellow Brits read it, because you'll be ridiculed mercilessly for
> > having sent it...
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Phil
>
> --- I was just going by the look. I glimpsed him in something called
> Doc Martin, which didn't strike me as a particularly funny show.
> Seemed amusing but sort of dramatic at the same time, but in it he
> acted far from being a Benny Hill or Rowan Atkinson by what little I
> saw. And who''s to say that a comedian-type couldn't play a straight
> villain role, anyway? No more outrageous than a miscast Bond actor or
> a tall, model-type Swede [or is it Norwegian?] playing apart meant for
> a fat tub of lard. As it's been stressed to me so many times before,
> it's all about the acting - right?

CASTING CALL: Fat tub of lard. No acting talent required. Just look
like it says in the book. Contact EON Productions.
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227552 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 16:51
Mac  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> WQ wrote:
>
>> Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by
>> and he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le
>> Chiffre quite well. He's not a picture-perfect image of Fleming's
>> description of him, being taller and not as weighty, but otherwise
>> he does seem to convey an overall look that is relatable to the
>> book's description of him. His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor,
>> and the way he looks in this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre
>> should look in the film.
>
> I'm sorry to say this, WQ, but as a Brit, I think that's one of the
> most unintentionally hilarious pieces of imaginary casting I've heard
> of in years. You've clearly not seen Clunes in anything, but over
> here he's best known for broad, laddish comedy, and he's simply not
> got the stature or menace required to play such a role. If it was
> announced that he was to play Le Chiffre, the reaction in the UK
> would be that the casting was one step up from having Rowan Atkinson
> or Benny Hill playing the bad guy. If I were you I'd remove that
> post before any of my fellow Brits read it, because you'll be
> ridiculed mercilessly for having sent it...

Seen!
--
--Mac

"Vargas does not drink...does not smoke...does not make love.
What do you do, Vargas?"

"Vargas thinks Jason Alexander should have played the part."
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227553 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:00
Mac  
Garmt de Vries wrote:


> Let's see if I can top it. Neil Morrissey as Bond (hey, at least he
> isn't blond), and Caroline Quentin as Vesper.

There's something about Caroline Quentin that gets on my wick.
She's such an overrated (and overexposed) actress, IMHO.

That trapped-wind face she pulls to demonstrate she's emoting...

Quentin and the Ex-Mrs. Dennis...
--
--Mac

"Vargas does not drink...does not smoke...does not make love.
What do you do, Vargas?"

"Vargas is in a bitchy mode today."
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227554 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:01
phil.gerrard1  
WQ wrote:

> --- I was just going by the look. I glimpsed him in something called
> Doc Martin, which didn't strike me as a particularly funny show.
> Seemed amusing but sort of dramatic at the same time, but in it he
> acted far from being a Benny Hill or Rowan Atkinson by what little I
> saw.

Light comedy-drama's probably the best way to describe it, and Clunes
is a bit more grumpy and serious than usual, but it's still froth.

> And who''s to say that a comedian-type couldn't play a straight
> villain role, anyway?

Nothing, but I've seen plenty of Clunes on TV over the last fifteen
years or so, and can put my hand on my heart and I say I've not seen
even the slightest hint that he would make a good Bond villain. Even
if he has got hidden and hitherto-unplumbed dramatic depths, the mere
idea of Clunes as Le Chiffre would sound about as credible to a British
audience as, say, Will Ferrell as Leiter would to you.

Believe me, you goofed here, and I doubt anybody who's familiar with
Clunes' work would disagree. We all make mistakes, so who cares?
Just accept it, laugh it off, and move on.

> No more outrageous than a miscast Bond actor or
> a tall, model-type Swede [or is it Norwegian?] playing apart meant for
> a fat tub of lard. As it's been stressed to me so many times before,
> it's all about the acting - right?

Exactly - and I think your suggestion of Clunes for Le Chiffre
demonstrates clearly the dangers of the 'physical appearance first'
approach.

Best

Phil
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227557 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:17
WQ  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> WQ wrote:
>
> > --- I was just going by the look. I glimpsed him in something called
> > Doc Martin, which didn't strike me as a particularly funny show.
> > Seemed amusing but sort of dramatic at the same time, but in it he
> > acted far from being a Benny Hill or Rowan Atkinson by what little I
> > saw.
>
> Light comedy-drama's probably the best way to describe it, and Clunes
> is a bit more grumpy and serious than usual, but it's still froth.
>
> > And who''s to say that a comedian-type couldn't play a straight
> > villain role, anyway?
>
> Nothing, but I've seen plenty of Clunes on TV over the last fifteen
> years or so, and can put my hand on my heart and I say I've not seen
> even the slightest hint that he would make a good Bond villain. Even
> if he has got hidden and hitherto-unplumbed dramatic depths, the mere
> idea of Clunes as Le Chiffre would sound about as credible to a British
> audience as, say, Will Ferrell as Leiter would to you.

--- Ok, well, from a Brit point of view, I guess he might not cut it as
Le Chiffre if he has all that comedic baggage behind him, but North
America and likely the rest of the world have either been rarely, if
ever, exposed to him or never at all. He may've been around forever in
Britland, but here on the 49th parallel dividing line between Canada
and the U.S., it's the first I've seen of him.

> Believe me, you goofed here, and I doubt anybody who's familiar with
> Clunes' work would disagree. We all make mistakes, so who cares?
> Just accept it, laugh it off, and move on.

--- I'll take your word on it, but not that I'm struggling for a
justification of my suggestion, but if his light comedic-dramatic role
in Doc Martin is comparatively more serious than what he's been mostly
noted for in the past [I really don't know of his past work, but
assuming it's mostly goofy stuff], doesn't that in itself suggest some
sort of credible acting range that extends beyond the expected and
stereotype image of him?

> > No more outrageous than a miscast Bond actor or
> > a tall, model-type Swede [or is it Norwegian?] playing apart meant for
> > a fat tub of lard. As it's been stressed to me so many times before,
> > it's all about the acting - right?
>
> Exactly - and I think your suggestion of Clunes for Le Chiffre
> demonstrates clearly the dangers of the 'physical appearance first'
> approach.

--- And vice versa, whereby you may have the talent but the look is
just not there. The trick is to get both. At least I wouldn't settle
for less if I were running the show. But then, that's just peculiar
fickle me.

>
> Best
>
> Phil
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227560 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:19
phil.gerrard1  
Mac wrote:

> There's something about Caroline Quentin that gets on my wick.
> She's such an overrated (and overexposed) actress, IMHO.

Quentin? Don't see it either. I think some men just like the
matronly type, and that as with a few other TV stars, people mistake
her limited acting ability for 'naturalism'.

Don't even get me started on the tired and utterly predictable nature
of British TV casting at the moment - if CR was to be a Brit TV show,
the candidates for Bond would be Ross Kemp and Robson Green, with Sarah
flipping Lancashire as Vesper.

Best

Phil
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227561 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:22
Mac  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:


> Exactly - and I think your suggestion of Clunes for Le Chiffre
> demonstrates clearly the dangers of the 'physical appearance first'
> approach.

Slightly OT here, but I just heard the actor cast to play Stephen
Hunter's Bob Lee Swagger is none other than... Mark Whalberg.

Suddenly Clunes as Le Chiffre doesn't seem so bad...
--
--Mac

"James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of
a crap remake of a classic film starring Mark Whalberg.
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227562 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:28
JHause  
LOL

The author of "His hair is blonde -- he can't play 007" and "Felix
Leiter can't be black, I read in the book that he has blonde hair"
warns us on the dangers of stereotyping.
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227563 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:36
Mac  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:

> Mac wrote:
>
>> There's something about Caroline Quentin that gets on my wick.
>> She's such an overrated (and overexposed) actress, IMHO.
>
> Quentin? Don't see it either. I think some men just like the
> matronly type, and that as with a few other TV stars, people mistake
> her limited acting ability for 'naturalism'.
>
> Don't even get me started on the tired and utterly predictable nature
> of British TV casting at the moment - if CR was to be a Brit TV show,
> the candidates for Bond would be Ross Kemp and Robson Green, with
> Sarah flipping Lancashire as Vesper.

LOL And Gordon Ramsey as Le Chiffre.
--
--Mac

"James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of
a ex-soap star on a big ITV contract."
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227564 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:45
phil.gerrard1  
Mac wrote:

> Slightly OT here, but I just heard the actor cast to play Stephen
> Hunter's Bob Lee Swagger is none other than... Mark Whalberg.

*Sigh.*

And how long do you reckon it'll be before some wiseass starts
cracking 'Boogie Nights' jokes, you know, '...if yours was that
size, you'd swagger too...'

Best

Phil
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227599 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 20:55
Draugnar  
"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140683483.430355.259800 [at] t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> WQ wrote:
>
>> Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
>> he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
>> quite well. He's not a picture-perfect image of Fleming's description
>> of him, being taller and not as weighty, but otherwise he does seem to
>> convey an overall look that is relatable to the book's description of
>> him. His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way he looks in
>> this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.
>
> I'm sorry to say this, WQ, but as a Brit, I think that's one of the
> most unintentionally hilarious pieces of imaginary casting I've heard
> of in years. You've clearly not seen Clunes in anything, but over here
> he's best known for broad, laddish comedy, and he's simply not got the
> stature or menace required to play such a role. If it was announced
> that he was to play Le Chiffre, the reaction in the UK would be that
> the casting was one step up from having Rowan Atkinson or Benny Hill
> playing the bad guy. If I were you I'd remove that post before any of
> my fellow Brits read it, because you'll be ridiculed mercilessly for
> having sent it...
>
> Best
>
> Phil

WQ is ridiculed mercilessly (and rightfully so) for being WQ as it is. That
is, when his messages get through. I have him and Scojo (and that dolt who
posts the "ultimate JB poll" which is so cocked-up) all killfiled so I only
see them when someone replies...

Draugnar
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227614 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 22:30
JHause  
Draugnar wrote:
> "phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1140683483.430355.259800 [at] t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> > WQ wrote:
> >
> >> Glimpsed an actor recently whose name I finally managed to come by and
> >> he seems to me to look like someone who could've played Le Chiffre
> >> quite well. He's not a picture-perfect image of Fleming's description
> >> of him, being taller and not as weighty, but otherwise he does seem to
> >> convey an overall look that is relatable to the book's description of
> >> him. His name is Martin Clunes, a Brit actor, and the way he looks in
> >> this pic is the way I imagine a Le Chiffre should look in the film.
> >
> > I'm sorry to say this, WQ, but as a Brit, I think that's one of the
> > most unintentionally hilarious pieces of imaginary casting I've heard
> > of in years. You've clearly not seen Clunes in anything, but over here
> > he's best known for broad, laddish comedy, and he's simply not got the
> > stature or menace required to play such a role. If it was announced
> > that he was to play Le Chiffre, the reaction in the UK would be that
> > the casting was one step up from having Rowan Atkinson or Benny Hill
> > playing the bad guy. If I were you I'd remove that post before any of
> > my fellow Brits read it, because you'll be ridiculed mercilessly for
> > having sent it...
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Phil
>
> WQ is ridiculed mercilessly (and rightfully so) for being WQ as it is. That
> is, when his messages get through. I have him and Scojo (and that dolt who
> posts the "ultimate JB poll" which is so cocked-up) all killfiled so I only
> see them when someone replies...
>
> Draugnar

LOL. WQ says he killfiled me but he's on Google -- which doesn't
killfile!

(Hi, WQ -- you jackass!)
Re: One Last Le Chiffre Before I Sign Off [message #227714 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 22:57
Rhino  
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:00:20 -0000, "Mac" <see.mac [at] SPAMLESSvirgin.net>
wrote:


>There's something about Caroline Quentin that gets on my wick.
>She's such an overrated (and overexposed) actress, IMHO.

How strange. There's something about Caroline Quentin that gets my
wick all sticky...

(Sorry to the ladies for that rather TMI statement there.)
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