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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » If we're going to start a boycott campaign...
If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227391] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 01:55
phil.gerrard1  
....I think the tabloid press should be first on our list:

http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=3382

Knowing how they operate, I don't doubt for a second that they've done
this. If Craig was the sort of person to sell his personal life to the
press, then there might be a slight argument that he's forfeited some
right to privacy - although if it involves screwing up an innocent
12-year-old's life, I think there might *perhaps* be some ethical
issues involved (heavy irony, for those who are immune to such
subtleties) - but since Craig's always maintained a strict policy of
keeping his personal life personal, anything else should be off-limits
IMHO.

Best

Phil

(As for pathologically anti-Craig websites which don't even include
contact details yet claim to represent the views of every Bond fan on
earth, they can f**k right off.)
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227395 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 02:31
JHause  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> (As for pathologically anti-Craig websites which don't even include
> contact details yet claim to represent the views of every Bond fan on
> earth, they can f**k right off.)

LOL

Can you imagine the sad little lives these people lead where they're
inventing boycotts? He's 55. Time to move on. GET OVER IT.

If they really want to help Pierce Brosnan they should forget Bond and
try to convince somebody to see "The Matador."
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227397 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 02:35
JHause  
Oh yeah, and the reason they don't include contact details is because
deep down they KNOW they're sad little people.

My question is, if you're sad about Brosnan getting fired, why take it
out on Daniel Craig? Can you fault the guy for saying 'yes' to the role
and a few million bucks? Be mad at Eon or Sony or whatever and boycott
all you want, but what's with all of the anti-Craig crap?

There's nothing more vindictive than an angry bunch of slow-witted
teen-age girls.
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227399 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 02:46
phil.gerrard1  
JHause wrote:

> My question is, if you're sad about Brosnan getting fired, why take it
> out on Daniel Craig? Can you fault the guy for saying 'yes' to the role
> and a few million bucks? Be mad at Eon or Sony or whatever and boycott
> all you want, but what's with all of the anti-Craig crap?

You may have opened a can of worms here :-) All I would say, in
preparation for the coming onslaught of anti-Craig rhetoric (from two
or three posters at most), is that it will be nothing compared to the
kind of flak Lazenby would have taken if this NG had been around in
1969 - yet OHMSS appears in as many top 5 lists as any other EON movie.

Best

Phil
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227400 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 03:39
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227403 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 04:25
JHause  
CK wrote:
> On 21 Feb 2006 16:55:05 -0800, "phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com"
> <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> >(As for pathologically anti-Craig websites which don't even include
> >contact details yet claim to represent the views of every Bond fan on
> >earth, they can f**k right off.)
>
> I don't understand why people are twisting the issue into personal
> attacks on Craig, that's wrong.
>
> I happen to be angry with the producers for a series of bad decisions
> and blunders and think Craig is the wrong guy, but that's NOT his
> fault. I actually feel bad for him because he is going to bear the
> brunt of the ridicule when it's the people behind the scenes who are
> responsible.
>
> I didn't like Owen as a choice either btw.
>
> Why didn't they just give Brosnan another film and a script and
> director that could create a more serious SPY thriller - isn't that
> what everyone wanted? Why the sudden need to get rid of him?
>
> Spend more of the budget on the talent and less on the over the top
> set pieces.

I think they're doing that. They just decided to make a clean break,
start over, and that included using a younger, hipper actor.

The universe of Bond fandom is so small compared to the film business
as a whole. Even of those who CARE about Bond movies, I doubt most of
them have given this much thought. They'll just decide when the movie
comes out if it looks interesting or not. A laughable "petition" to
boycott just slays me. Like someone at Sony is going to panic and say,
"A THOUSAND NAMES! WE'RE OUT AT LEAST... EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!

CR will definitely make a lot of money, if only because people will be
curious to see the new guy. Then reviews and

If someone is really worried about Brosnan (who I GUARANTEE isn't
worried about them, he's doing fine, thank-you), go see 'The Matador'
and support him there.

The Craig hating is laughable. If any of the idiots bashing him were
offered the role with a 3-film, $10 million deal, would THEY have said,
"No thanks. The role is Pierce's?" He was fired long before they
decided on Craig, anyway.
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227404 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 04:27
JHause  
Ah! Part of my post didn't show up! Friggin' Google!!!
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227414 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 12:19
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227415 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 12:38
JHause  
CK wrote:
> Craig is young and hip? Are you on crack?
>

Younger and hipper than Brosnan. Relax, fanboy!
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227416 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 12:44
JHause  
CK wrote:
>
> I think you are projecting. The movie will make money but will it be a
> profit at the cost of the franchise? The curiousity factor is good for
> one film only, after that...
>

Well, duh! Nobody said the movie could be BAD! What the hell kind of an
argument is THAT?

>
> I saw the Matador (great movie!) and all I could think of was how
> Brosnan had another Bond film in him. We aren't talking Moore AVTAK
> nonsense, Brosnan even now can still do a credible Bond.
>

I was getting uncomfortable watching Brosnan with Denise Richards two
films ago. The only thing that kept it from being too Woody/Soon Yi was
that she was so horribly miscast that you didn't buy the romance.

>
> I'm not sure how to take that. Brosnan was fired for business reasons
> that have nothing to do with the fans. Craigs signing is a slap in the
> face.
>

Jesus, who's projectiing now, fanboy?

> They dumped the actor yet kept the creative team and are now claiming
> to be re-inventing the franchise???
>
> I've got a bridge I can sell to anyone who buys that bullshit.

Paul Haggis and Martin Campbell did DAD? Wow! Did Haggis alternate
writing DAD and "Million Dollar Baby" or something? Nice investigative
journalism!
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227417 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 12:56
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227418 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 13:01
JHause  
CK wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2006 03:38:00 -0800, "JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >CK wrote:
> >> Craig is young and hip? Are you on crack?
> >>
> >
> >Younger and hipper than Brosnan. Relax, fanboy!
>
> I apologize for taking anything you say seriously.
>
> I remember when Usenet was actually interesting, what the hell
> happened?

ah. "Are you on crack" was supposed to be a legitimate discussion.
Please accept my humble apologies for not taking you seriously, fan-boy.
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227419 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 13:20
JHause  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> JHause wrote:
>
> > My question is, if you're sad about Brosnan getting fired, why take it
> > out on Daniel Craig? Can you fault the guy for saying 'yes' to the role
> > and a few million bucks? Be mad at Eon or Sony or whatever and boycott
> > all you want, but what's with all of the anti-Craig crap?
>
> You may have opened a can of worms here :-) All I would say, in
> preparation for the coming onslaught of anti-Craig rhetoric (from two
> or three posters at most), is that it will be nothing compared to the
> kind of flak Lazenby would have taken if this NG had been around in
> 1969 - yet OHMSS appears in as many top 5 lists as any other EON movie.
>
> Best
>
> Phil

Heck, just imagine if they had newgroups in the early sixties when
Fleming called Connery a "Glaswegian lorry driver who mangles my
character."
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227420 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 13:22
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227421 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 13:24
JHause  
CK wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2006 04:01:18 -0800, "JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >CK wrote:
> >> On 22 Feb 2006 03:38:00 -0800, "JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >CK wrote:
> >> >> Craig is young and hip? Are you on crack?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Younger and hipper than Brosnan. Relax, fanboy!
> >>
> >> I apologize for taking anything you say seriously.
> >>
> >> I remember when Usenet was actually interesting, what the hell
> >> happened?
> >
> >ah. "Are you on crack" was supposed to be a legitimate discussion.
> >Please accept my humble apologies for not taking you seriously, fan-boy.
>
> Well, the whole text is available so dealing with your out of context
> nonsense would be pointless. I hoped for better but what has presented
> itself is not surprising more than it is sad.
>
> I mourn what this group used to be.

"Are you on crack?" Ah, for those great old-time discussions...
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227422 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 13:26
phil.gerrard1  
CK wrote:

> Craig is young and hip?

We can argue the toss forever about what constitutes hipness, but it's
a simple matter of fact that Craig is a decade and a half younger than
Brosnan. (Cue an oh-so-predictable 'but he looks 50!' response from
one of the usual suspects.)

> I saw the Matador (great movie!) and all I could think of was how
> Brosnan had another Bond film in him. We aren't talking Moore AVTAK
> nonsense, Brosnan even now can still do a credible Bond.

I'd have liked to see him do one more, but the fact is it's too late
for anybody to do anything about it now. He's said so himself. Time
to move on.

> Craigs signing is a slap in the face.

To whom? That's a *very* generalised comment, CK.

> They dumped the actor yet kept the creative team and are now claiming
> to be re-inventing the franchise???

Did they fire everybody who'd previously worked for them in order to
re-invent the franchise with films such as OHMSS, FYEO, and TLD?

Best

Phil
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227423 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 13:35
JHause  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> CK wrote:
>
> > Craig is young and hip?
>
> We can argue the toss forever about what constitutes hipness, but it's
> a simple matter of fact that Craig is a decade and a half younger than
> Brosnan. (Cue an oh-so-predictable 'but he looks 50!' response from
> one of the usual suspects.)
>

LOL. Exactly. If Craig keeps the role for another ten years he'll STILL
be half a decade younger than Brosnan is right now.
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227426 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 14:19
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227429 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 15:02
phil.gerrard1  
CK wrote:

>>(Cue an oh-so-predictable 'but he looks 50!' response from
>>one of the usual suspects.)
>
>So how do you deal with the fact that Brsnan at 55 looks the same age
>as Craig at 37?

Sheesh.

>All the while the character is suppossed to be 30 or
>younger...

Vaguely mooted at one point in the development stage, obviously since
abandoned in favour of keeping Bond in the traditional mid-to-late-30s
bracket.

>Move on to what? That's the whole issue we are moving on to a train
>wreck that ignored the fan base.

Claiming that you speak for the entire fan base is more than a little
presumptuous, CK. At the moment there are three people on this list
who regularly post anti-Craig-and CR comments. One is you, one is WQ,
and the other is Scojo, who's certifiably insane. Doesn't look to
me like the whole fan base is behind you on this, as you seem to be
claiming.

>To whom? That's a *very* generalised comment, CK.
>Are you aware of the details?

(A) that's a non sequitur and (B) please don't patronise me.

>Brosnan was pushing for a new and
>grittier direction for years. He gets fired and the selling point is
>that they wanted to get more down to earth with the character. It's
>plain as day what actually took place.

Pray tell.

>I don't understand how those films relate to what is taking place.
>OHMSS- Radical creative departure, new director.
>FYEO- Radical creative departure, new director.
>TLD- this doesn't belong because it was the same team entirely just
>with a new actor. It was a Roger Moore film toned down.
>LTK would be a better fit but the script and director and the budget
>and the location... all sub par.
>CR- same team entirely. Different actor though.
>It's the people behind the scenes that matter. Consider TSWLM the
>movie that established Moore and kept the series alive. It was
>creatively different from TMWTGG.

You're claiming that radical creative departures are basically the
result of hiring new directors, right? Did I miss something here? Had
Lewis Gilbert never directed a Bond film before, or did Martin Campbell
direct all of the last four?

Best

Phil
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227430 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 15:26
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227431 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 15:35
JHause  
CK wrote:
>
> Wrong. So blatantly wrong it hardly registers as a serious response to
> what I actually said.
>

How about, "Are you on crack?"

>
> I know debate 101, I've been through that and hated it the first time.
> I prefer discussion.

Okay. "Are you on crack???"
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227433 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 15:53
phil.gerrard1  
CK wrote:

> >You're claiming that radical creative departures are basically the
> >result of hiring new directors, right?
>
> Wrong. So blatantly wrong it hardly registers as a serious response to
> what I actually said.
>
> >Did I miss something here?
>
> Yes, you did.

Before blowing up at me, CK, re-read your earlier post. Don't you at
least see how it could be interpreted as meaning that a change of
director leads to a change of creative direction, especially since in
some of the cases you cited, all other members of the production team
remained the same? If that wasn't what you meant, could you explain
exactly what you did mean, because I clearly didn't get it the first
time around?

> I know debate 101, I've been through that and hated it the first time.
> I prefer discussion.

In which case you'd probably do better to avoid sweeping, rhetorical
generalisations such as the statements you made earlier about 'Bond
fans' and their attitudes towards Craig and EON. Deliberately
provocative phrases like that are guaranteed to lead to precisely the
kind of debate you dislike.

Best

Phil
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227434 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 15:58
JHause  
Instead of intellectual discussions like, "Are you on crack?"

Oh, how I miss the old days...
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227456 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 18:01
Mark  
Can you point me to anything on the Craig Not Bond website identifying
its authors? The only reference to actual human beings, was a thanks
to Kim Last for a picture comparing Craig to Golum.

I know Last is a Brosnanophile, but surely she would not be involved in
anything so tawdry.

Let's identify these purveyors of the Bond boycott, and subject them,
and their supposed credentials as Bond fans to public scrutiny.
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227460 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 18:32
JHause  
Mark wrote:
> Can you point me to anything on the Craig Not Bond website identifying
> its authors? The only reference to actual human beings, was a thanks
> to Kim Last for a picture comparing Craig to Golum.
>
> I know Last is a Brosnanophile, but surely she would not be involved in
> anything so tawdry.
>
> Let's identify these purveyors of the Bond boycott, and subject them,
> and their supposed credentials as Bond fans to public scrutiny.

She should probably ask to have her name removed, if she knows them,
because Sony will probably have the affiliated sites remove all
copyrighted Bond images. MGM purged the Internet of negative sites
about 5 or 6 years ago, as well. If the sites get any advertising, Sony
will demand financial records and want a cut. The author of the
petition is linked to another fan site. Her name is Kitty, or something.
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227463 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 18:39
JHause  
JHause wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > Can you point me to anything on the Craig Not Bond website identifying
> > its authors? The only reference to actual human beings, was a thanks
> > to Kim Last for a picture comparing Craig to Golum.
> >
> > I know Last is a Brosnanophile, but surely she would not be involved in
> > anything so tawdry.
> >
> > Let's identify these purveyors of the Bond boycott, and subject them,
> > and their supposed credentials as Bond fans to public scrutiny.
>
> She should probably ask to have her name removed, if she knows them,
> because Sony will probably have the affiliated sites remove all
> copyrighted Bond images. MGM purged the Internet of negative sites
> about 5 or 6 years ago, as well. If the sites get any advertising, Sony
> will demand financial records and want a cut. The author of the
> petition is linked to another fan site. Her name is Kitty, or something.

Thinking about it, can't you buy books and movies through Klast's site?
If she got a cut of any of that, ala Amazon royalties, she could be in
trouble. I don't know how many years they can go back and ask for a
percentage, but she's had that site up a while, it could run into some
cash. They're going to claim she was selling merchandise using their
copyrighted images.
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227537 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 12:03
Absorb  
JHause wrote:
> CK wrote:
>
>>On 22 Feb 2006 04:01:18 -0800, "JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>CK wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 22 Feb 2006 03:38:00 -0800, "JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>CK wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Craig is young and hip? Are you on crack?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Younger and hipper than Brosnan. Relax, fanboy!
>>>>
>>>>I apologize for taking anything you say seriously.
>>>>
>>>>I remember when Usenet was actually interesting, what the hell
>>>>happened?
>>>
>>>ah. "Are you on crack" was supposed to be a legitimate discussion.
>>>Please accept my humble apologies for not taking you seriously, fan-boy.
>>
>>Well, the whole text is available so dealing with your out of context
>>nonsense would be pointless. I hoped for better but what has presented
>>itself is not surprising more than it is sad.
>>
>>I mourn what this group used to be.
>
>
> "Are you on crack?" Ah, for those great old-time discussions...

If one is posting or lurking on this NG, by *definition,* one is a James
Bond fanboy (or a fangirl in my case).

I mean, this is alt.fan.james-bond. It's way too late for any "I don't
care about the differences between the DVD and LaserDisc versions of MR"
distancing between you and serious Bond fandom.

Absorb
------------------------------------------------------------
Admitting you have a problem is always the first step ;)
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227547 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 15:49
JHause  
Absorb wrote:
> JHause wrote:
> > CK wrote:
> >
> >>On 22 Feb 2006 04:01:18 -0800, "JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>CK wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On 22 Feb 2006 03:38:00 -0800, "JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>CK wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Craig is young and hip? Are you on crack?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Younger and hipper than Brosnan. Relax, fanboy!
> >>>>
> >>>>I apologize for taking anything you say seriously.
> >>>>
> >>>>I remember when Usenet was actually interesting, what the hell
> >>>>happened?
> >>>
> >>>ah. "Are you on crack" was supposed to be a legitimate discussion.
> >>>Please accept my humble apologies for not taking you seriously, fan-boy.
> >>
> >>Well, the whole text is available so dealing with your out of context
> >>nonsense would be pointless. I hoped for better but what has presented
> >>itself is not surprising more than it is sad.
> >>
> >>I mourn what this group used to be.
> >
> >
> > "Are you on crack?" Ah, for those great old-time discussions...
>
> If one is posting or lurking on this NG, by *definition,* one is a James
> Bond fanboy (or a fangirl in my case).
>
> I mean, this is alt.fan.james-bond. It's way too late for any "I don't
> care about the differences between the DVD and LaserDisc versions of MR"
> distancing between you and serious Bond fandom.
>
> Absorb
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Admitting you have a problem is always the first step ;)

Nah. If you just lurk, post occassionally, and can kiddingly call
yourself a fanboy, it's a hobby; when you write nine paragraph tirades
starting with "Are you on crack?" and long "for the old days" of a
newsgroup when the quality of discussion on "Octopussy" was so much
higher, you are a TRUE fanboy, and probably beyond help.
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227555 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:05
Mac  
Absorb wrote:

> I mean, this is alt.fan.james-bond. It's way too late for any "I
> don't care about the differences between the DVD and LaserDisc
> versions of MR" distancing between you and serious Bond fandom.

There aren't any. The differences are between the Laserdisc and
DVD of ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE...
--
--Mac

"James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of acne
at a comic book convention."
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227579 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:27
Mark  
Yes, and as we well know, that is because Moonraker is a far superior
movie to OHMSS, in practically every way. Except that Bond doesn't get
married to Goodhead at the end of MR, with Drax re-entering the earth's
atmosphere and shooting her, before burning up from the friction. Now
THAT would have been something to see.

I think I had a hat when I came in...
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227592 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 20:05
Draugnar  
"CK" <me [at] here.com> wrote in message
news:ihnov116icqkdvg19lbc4khd7bre4fkdb4 [at] 4ax.com...
> CR- same team entirely. Different actor though.

Bzzzt! Wrong fan-boy (I like that term for him, JHause!). Haggis never
wrote a Bond film before and Campbell hasn't been part of "the crew" since
GE (three movies ago). They basically dumped Purvis and Wade after getting
a first draft and Tamahori (DAD's director) was clearly not even considered.
So, yes, it IS a new team, unless you consider the producers, who can't be
dumped because they own half of the franchise, or the distributor who can't
be dumped because the other half of the franchise.

Draugnar
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227595 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 20:15
Draugnar  
They (he, she, it?) are so afraid they even used an anonymous registry
service for the domain name. I looked it up using a WHOIS server...

-Draugnar

"Mark" <trustmeimalawyer2 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1140624445.355760.43250 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Can you point me to anything on the Craig Not Bond website identifying
> its authors? The only reference to actual human beings, was a thanks
> to Kim Last for a picture comparing Craig to Golum.
>
> I know Last is a Brosnanophile, but surely she would not be involved in
> anything so tawdry.
>
> Let's identify these purveyors of the Bond boycott, and subject them,
> and their supposed credentials as Bond fans to public scrutiny.
>
Re: If we're going to start a boycott campaign... [message #227973 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 04:03
Mike Feeney  
> --
> --Mac
>
> "James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of
> acne at a comic book convention."
>
>


ROTFLMAO!

--Mike
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