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Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225201]

So, 19 Februar 2006 02:39

phil.gerrard1

I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)

Best

Phil

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225205 ]

So, 19 Februar 2006 02:57

JHause

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225209 ]

So, 19 Februar 2006 03:11

phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
> Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
> of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
> actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
> about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
> of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
> to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)
>
> Best
>
> Phil

--- No flak from me. He may've had his awkward moments in the film,
but overall, especially from about the point where he goes to crack the
safe onward, he actually does a prettty good job. But it's a good
point to make about whether its a story-led film. I'd simply have to
say yes, if only because that was my initial impression of it when I
first watched it. Lazenby would've acted pretty much the same way if
the story wasn't as strong, but the story as it is made him look
better. The shortcomings of a weaker story would've likely highlighted
his weaknesses as an actor more and made him look almost embarrassing,
if not laughable. But I think Lazenby was smart enough to know what a
good story he was working with and that he should give it his best shot
to live up to it. He just may've found his groove right about when it
was time to film that safe-cracking scene. That's my sense.

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225210 ]

So, 19 Februar 2006 03:13

JHause

WQ wrote:
> --- He just may've found his groove right about when it
> was time to film that safe-cracking scene. That's my sense.

They didn't shoot the movie in chronological order, Rupert.

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225211 ]

So, 19 Februar 2006 03:16

JHause

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225216 ]

So, 19 Februar 2006 03:40

phil.gerrard1

JHause wrote:

> It would actually be kind of interesting to see Lazenby's screentests.
> He always claimed Hunt didn't help him much during the filming

I suspect that's a classic example of a first-time actor's
misinterpretation of what a director does, and it's something I've seen
a few times. Basically, if you're doing OK, nobody's going to take the
time to say 'marvellous' or 'well done'. You only get notes when
you're doing something which needs to be corrected. There's too little
time to do anything else. Unsurprisingly, some newcomers to the
profession get paranoid about this and imagine that the director's
refusing to talk to them, when in reality they've got a thousand other
things to think about and don't have the time to tell everybody they
were great.

First thing an actor should learn: no notes is good notes :-) I have a
feeling Lazenby didn't quite get that point.

Best

Phil

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225220 ]

So, 19 Februar 2006 04:26

jeffwahlman

> I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
> Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
> of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
> actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
> about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
> of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
> to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)

Absolutely. It's the editing, direction, cinematography, story, talent
around him, action sequences, and John Barry's masterful score that
carry the film. Lazenby's good enough to hold up his end of things
though, but I agree he doesn't carry the film. Since he had enough
talent and a great story around him, they could play to his natural
strengths (the fact that he pretty much was a real-life James Bond) and
cover up his lack of acting experience.

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225221 ]

So, 19 Februar 2006 04:45

Will Traynor

"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140313190.694737.22820 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
> Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
> of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
> actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
> about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
> of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
> to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>

I have no idea how much input Lazenby had as far as the style or tone of the
film, but I suspect he had very little. So from that standpoint, the film
would have been great whether Lazenby was there or not. For some odd reason,
I do like him in this film, and I think he has been unfairly criticized for
his performance. He was one tough bastard in this film, though, and I like
his fight scenes a lot. If Roger Moore had starred in it, I doubt it would
have been as good, knowing how Moore approached the films. So, in that
respect, I'm glad Lazenby was there.

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #225223 ]

So, 19 Februar 2006 04:48

phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> JHause wrote:
>
> > It would actually be kind of interesting to see Lazenby's screentests.
> > He always claimed Hunt didn't help him much during the filming
>
> I suspect that's a classic example of a first-time actor's
> misinterpretation of what a director does, and it's something I've seen
> a few times. Basically, if you're doing OK, nobody's going to take the
> time to say 'marvellous' or 'well done'. You only get notes when
> you're doing something which needs to be corrected. There's too little
> time to do anything else. Unsurprisingly, some newcomers to the
> profession get paranoid about this and imagine that the director's
> refusing to talk to them, when in reality they've got a thousand other
> things to think about and don't have the time to tell everybody they
> were great.
>
> First thing an actor should learn: no notes is good notes :-) I have a
> feeling Lazenby didn't quite get that point.
>
> Best
>
> Phil

--- Great background read with this extensive Peter Hunt interview if
you haven't come across it before. Covers everything Bond and beyond.
The link is to a page that includes links to all 3 parts of the
interview.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=VEK&lr=&cl ient=opera&rls=en&q=+site:www.secretintel.com+peter+ hunt+interview+part+II

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #227259 ]

Mo, 20 Februar 2006 00:58

Tony Borgosano

"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140313190.694737.22820 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
> Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
> of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
> actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
> about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
> of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
> to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)

Lazenby is awful, but Telly and Diana give good performances. The action
scenes are great, except for the opening Beach scene. Overall, I rate it a 7
on a 1-10 scale.

Tony Borgosano
--
"I hope we're going to have some gratuitous sex and violence."

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #227261 ]

Mo, 20 Februar 2006 01:21

phil.gerrard1

Will wrote:

> He was one tough bastard in this film, though, and I like
> his fight scenes a lot

Good point. Certainly he and Connery seem to relish the fights far
more than the other Bonds IMHO.

> If Roger Moore had starred in it, I doubt it would
> have been as good, knowing how Moore approached the films. So, in that
> respect, I'm glad Lazenby was there.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that whoever EON had
hired for the role they would have wanted him to play it in very much
the same vein as Connery, and that may account for the casting of a
complete unknown: they felt Lazenby was somebody they could mould as a
Connery substitute, whereas a better-known actor would have brought his
own baggage and style to the part. It also strikes me that EON have
been far more willing to allow their lead actors to have some input and
latitude since the 1960s, when both their Bonds were rough diamonds who
were heavily tutored as to how the role should be played.

Best

Phil

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #227273 ]

Mo, 20 Februar 2006 06:22

Will Traynor

"Tony Borgosano" <tony50 [at] lycos.com> wrote in message
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>
> "phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1140313190.694737.22820 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
>> Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
>> of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
>> actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
>> about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
>> of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
>> to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)
>
> Lazenby is awful, but Telly and Diana give good performances. The action
> scenes are great, except for the opening Beach scene. Overall, I rate it a
> 7
> on a 1-10 scale.
>

Gotta disagree with you, Tony, for several reasons, which will take me about
15 mins. of writing to explain. But needless to say, it is one of my
favorite Bond films.

> Tony Borgosano
> --
> "I hope we're going to have some gratuitous sex and violence."
>
>

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #227327 ]

Mo, 20 Februar 2006 20:54

Draugnar

I'm with you there. The movie would be damned near perfect except for the
frelling "Christmas Tree" song and the poorly dubbed voice for Bond
"impersonating" Sir Hillary. But it is definitely the story and the way it
was filmed that carries the movie, not George's portrayal of 007.

Draugnar

"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140313190.694737.22820 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
> Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
> of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
> actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
> about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
> of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
> to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #227917 ]

Di, 28 Februar 2006 08:27

Larry Gold

George was excellent and the fight scenes were great
Telly and Diana were also Grade A
and the scene where they were together as 007 come to the rescue showed how
good they were as they acted together.

But George would not play ball, and did not want to be a Toy Poodle going to
the premier with a beard
he got cocky
but I read was offered a few more films before he got cocky

"phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1140313190.694737.22820 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
> Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
> of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
> actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
> about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
> of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
> to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)
>
> Best
>
> Phil
>

Re: Rewatching OHMSS... [message #228017 ]

Mi, 01 März 2006 20:29

James Hunter

> "phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com" <phil.gerrard1 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1140313190.694737.22820 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I know I'm going to get flak for this, and don't get me wrong, I think
> > Lazenby's effort in the role was pretty damn good considering his lack
> > of acting experience, but is this not a case of the film carrying the
> > actor, rather than the other way around? I know we often tend to talk
> > about the Bond films as if they were actor-led, but somehow OMHSS, one
> > of the very few where this is indisputably not the case IMHO, managed
> > to be one of the best films in the series. Discuss ;-)
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Phil
> >

Yes, the film carried the actor - but only when the actor couldn't carry the
film. What I mean is: the separate elements of the film were all good (the
writing, directing, editing, scoring...) and came together extremely well.
This allowed Lazenby some room in which to work and grow as an actor,
resulting in some parts where he doesn't quite come off and others where he
rings true. For the former, see the meeting with Draco or his defiance to
Blofeld (once caught); for the latter, see his fear at the skating rink
after he escapes from Piz Gloria or his barn proposal to Tracy. Thank
goodness for the wonderful Diana Rigg.

What I'm saying is that OHMSS is an example of many great parts leading to a
greater whole. It was just the right combination of talent and timing
(which is often what makes the "what if Connery had starred" game a little
tiresome, to be honest).

As for your question re/ the whole series, I do not consider the films to be
actor-led. I think that they are producer-led. It's just that no one
points to the screen while watching the film to exclaim "Look at what a
great job Cubby did!" Certainly not the general public, of course. And
that's where there's another distinction: do we consider the films to be
actor-led or star-led? It could be argued that the general public now wants
their Bond to be a star before becoming Bond (Connery from GF on, Moore,
Brosnan) while Bond "purists" (it's an ugly term) like their Bonds to be
actors first and foremost (Connery pre-YOLT, Lazenby [?], Dalton, some of
Brosnan).

So...actor-led, star-led, producer-led...this heads off into various
directions. And all valid, as far as I can see.

Thanks!
James

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