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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » Depressing news story...
Depressing news story... [message #224897] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 16:03
phil.gerrard1  
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4715280.stm

*Sigh*. It seems to me to be beyond question than any resemblance
between the Menezes shooting and the relevant bit of the CR script
report is tenuous and utterly coincidental. (I don't think the
description of the scene on the BBC website is at all accurate either,
so I suspect there's been a process of Chinese whispers going on here.)
What I'd like to know is who's the idiot journalist who felt it
appropriate to go public with this daft accusation, since all he's
achieved is to distress the Menezes family yet further?


Best


Phil
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224898 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 16:42
WQ  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4715280.stm
>
> *Sigh*. It seems to me to be beyond question than any resemblance
> between the Menezes shooting and the relevant bit of the CR script
> report is tenuous and utterly coincidental. (I don't think the
> description of the scene on the BBC website is at all accurate either,
> so I suspect there's been a process of Chinese whispers going on here.)
> What I'd like to know is who's the idiot journalist who felt it
> appropriate to go public with this daft accusation, since all he's
> achieved is to distress the Menezes family yet further?
>

--- This is what I don't get. If the CCTV footage shows Bond involved
in the death of the bomber, and I believe Le Chiffre sees this on a CNN
report in the script, then shouldn't that rule out Bond from being
further involved in whatever he wants to get involved since the whole
world now knows he's a spy? Where's his anonymity now? And how would
this explain Le Chiffre and Bond being together at the card table if Le
Chiffre already knows he's with MI6? Surely, neither Bond nor MI6 can
naturally assume that Le Chiffre didn't see the tape on CNN. They
better have a good explanation for this one.

>
> Best
>
>
> Phil
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224900 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 17:16
JHause  
WQ wrote:
> phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4715280.stm
> >
> > *Sigh*. It seems to me to be beyond question than any resemblance
> > between the Menezes shooting and the relevant bit of the CR script
> > report is tenuous and utterly coincidental. (I don't think the
> > description of the scene on the BBC website is at all accurate either,
> > so I suspect there's been a process of Chinese whispers going on here.)
> > What I'd like to know is who's the idiot journalist who felt it
> > appropriate to go public with this daft accusation, since all he's
> > achieved is to distress the Menezes family yet further?
> >
>
> --- This is what I don't get. If the CCTV footage shows Bond involved
> in the death of the bomber, and I believe Le Chiffre sees this on a CNN
> report in the script, then shouldn't that rule out Bond from being
> further involved in whatever he wants to get involved since the whole
> world now knows he's a spy? Where's his anonymity now? And how would
> this explain Le Chiffre and Bond being together at the card table if Le
> Chiffre already knows he's with MI6? Surely, neither Bond nor MI6 can
> naturally assume that Le Chiffre didn't see the tape on CNN. They
> better have a good explanation for this one.
>
> >

"Le Chiffre is pissed. He goes into his bedroom and logs on to CNN.com
on his laptop. Ellipsis expires in 36 hours. Just before Le Chiffre
closes the laptop we see the headline: 'British Agent Executes Embassy
Employee', accompanied by a blurry high angle photo of Bond firing his
weapon."

Let's see. Maybe Le Chiffre says, "Hey, I know that guy. That's the
really blurry guy I saw on a high angle security cam photo reproduced
on TV. An exact blurry high-angle likeness!!!"
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224901 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 17:42
WQ  
JHause wrote:
> WQ wrote:
> > phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4715280.stm
> > >
> > > *Sigh*. It seems to me to be beyond question than any resemblance
> > > between the Menezes shooting and the relevant bit of the CR script
> > > report is tenuous and utterly coincidental. (I don't think the
> > > description of the scene on the BBC website is at all accurate either,
> > > so I suspect there's been a process of Chinese whispers going on here.)
> > > What I'd like to know is who's the idiot journalist who felt it
> > > appropriate to go public with this daft accusation, since all he's
> > > achieved is to distress the Menezes family yet further?
> > >
> >
> > --- This is what I don't get. If the CCTV footage shows Bond involved
> > in the death of the bomber, and I believe Le Chiffre sees this on a CNN
> > report in the script, then shouldn't that rule out Bond from being
> > further involved in whatever he wants to get involved since the whole
> > world now knows he's a spy? Where's his anonymity now? And how would
> > this explain Le Chiffre and Bond being together at the card table if Le
> > Chiffre already knows he's with MI6? Surely, neither Bond nor MI6 can
> > naturally assume that Le Chiffre didn't see the tape on CNN. They
> > better have a good explanation for this one.
> >
> > >
>
> "Le Chiffre is pissed. He goes into his bedroom and logs on to CNN.com
> on his laptop. Ellipsis expires in 36 hours. Just before Le Chiffre
> closes the laptop we see the headline: 'British Agent Executes Embassy
> Employee', accompanied by a blurry high angle photo of Bond firing his
> weapon."
>
> Let's see. Maybe Le Chiffre says, "Hey, I know that guy. That's the
> really blurry guy I saw on a high angle security cam photo reproduced
> on TV. An exact blurry high-angle likeness!!!"

--- Of course, computer technology can unblur photos to get a
reasonable view if not an exact likeness of the person. MI6,
presumably being tech-conscious, would be aware of this. And maybe I
missed it in the reading, but how did the news reports know it was a
British agent that killed the bomber? Regardless, any interested
villain or unfriendly government who'd want to know who this agent is
would try to ublur the image, thus killing that spy's career because
his i.d. would be known he no longer would be able to function
effectively in the field any longer.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224902 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 17:46
JHause  
WQ wrote:
> --- Of course, computer technology can unblur photos to get a
> reasonable view if not an exact likeness of the person.

Yeah! Le Chiffre goes, "QUICK -- UNBLUR THAT BLURRY SECURITY CAMERA
PHOTO IN CASE I SEE THIS GUY IN A CASINO ONE DAY!"
..
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224903 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 17:52
JHause  
JHause wrote:
> WQ wrote:
> > --- Of course, computer technology can unblur photos to get a
> > reasonable view if not an exact likeness of the person.
>
> Yeah! Le Chiffre goes, "QUICK -- UNBLUR THAT BLURRY SECURITY CAMERA
> PHOTO IN CASE I SEE THIS GUY IN A CASINO ONE DAY!"
>

And that reminds me. The KGB has a photo of Bond in the book FRWL.

I am now officially discounting the rest of the series. The KGB knows
what Bond looks like. He has been compromised. Career over.

Read Bond's next great adventure, where he's a mall cop!
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224904 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 18:11
WQ  
JHause wrote:
> JHause wrote:
> > WQ wrote:
> > > --- Of course, computer technology can unblur photos to get a
> > > reasonable view if not an exact likeness of the person.
> >
> > Yeah! Le Chiffre goes, "QUICK -- UNBLUR THAT BLURRY SECURITY CAMERA
> > PHOTO IN CASE I SEE THIS GUY IN A CASINO ONE DAY!"
> >
>
> And that reminds me. The KGB has a photo of Bond in the book FRWL.
>
> I am now officially discounting the rest of the series. The KGB knows
> what Bond looks like. He has been compromised. Career over.
>
> Read Bond's next great adventure, where he's a mall cop!

--- According to the script review, after Bond blows away the Bomber,
"Le Chiffre's dangerous looking henchman approaches and whispers in Le
Chiffre's ear. Le Chiffre is pissed. He goes into his bedroom and logs
on to CNN.com on his laptop. Ellipsis expires in 36 hours. Just before
Le Chiffre closes the laptop we see the headline: "British Agent
Executes Embassy Employee", accompanied by a blurry high angle photo of
Bond firing his weapon."

This suggests that Le Chiffre is interested enough to know what
happened. Now, if Le Chiffre is involved in some shady dealings and
this killing happens in the course of it, I'd imagine he'd be a little
suspicious as to why a British agent is getting involved. I don't
know, maybe I'd make a smarter villain than EON is making of Le
Chiffre, but I'd see to it that I'd at least find out the i.d. of this
agent [and again, how CNN knew he was a British agent is beyond me if
the photo was blurred, unless they unblurred it] just to be prepared.
But I guess my scripting of this would be a little too complex for
dumbed-down audiences to follow.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224905 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 18:43
JHause  
WQ wrote:
>
> This suggests that Le Chiffre is interested enough to know what
> happened. Now, if Le Chiffre is involved in some shady dealings and
> this killing happens in the course of it, I'd imagine he'd be a little
> suspicious as to why a British agent is getting involved. I don't
> know, maybe I'd make a smarter villain than EON is making of Le
> Chiffre, but I'd see to it that I'd at least find out the i.d. of this
> agent [and again, how CNN knew he was a British agent is beyond me if
> the photo was blurred, unless they unblurred it] just to be prepared.
> But I guess my scripting of this would be a little too complex for
> dumbed-down audiences to follow.

You're looking for reasons not to like it that have no bearing on
anything.

You can't take a blurry video image and "unblur" it. A video image has
a certain amount of information. You can't add more detailed
information to it without having more information to add from other
sources. See, there's this thing called "filming" a scene, and you can
shoot it so that the guy shooting the other guy isn't recognizable. If
you want to specualate on what other information they have in order to
continue your pointless hypotheticals about Le Chiffre making a perfect
image of Bond from a blurry overhead security cam image for no
particular reason, go ahead.

And I have no idea why CNN knows MI-6 is involved. Maybe You'd probably
have to actually read the script to know that. Who says they know it's
MI-6 from the blurry image? Who says there wasn't a conversation
recorded? Who says the reviewer didn't skip a couple of story points in
boiling 30 pages down to one?

So you'll have to watch the film you already hate in order to find out.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224906 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 19:02
WQ  
JHause wrote:
> WQ wrote:
> >
> > This suggests that Le Chiffre is interested enough to know what
> > happened. Now, if Le Chiffre is involved in some shady dealings and
> > this killing happens in the course of it, I'd imagine he'd be a little
> > suspicious as to why a British agent is getting involved. I don't
> > know, maybe I'd make a smarter villain than EON is making of Le
> > Chiffre, but I'd see to it that I'd at least find out the i.d. of this
> > agent [and again, how CNN knew he was a British agent is beyond me if
> > the photo was blurred, unless they unblurred it] just to be prepared.
> > But I guess my scripting of this would be a little too complex for
> > dumbed-down audiences to follow.
>
> You're looking for reasons not to like it that have no bearing on
> anything.
>
> You can't take a blurry video image and "unblur" it. A video image has
> a certain amount of information. You can't add more detailed
> information to it without having more information to add from other
> sources. See, there's this thing called "filming" a scene, and you can
> shoot it so that the guy shooting the other guy isn't recognizable. If
> you want to specualate on what other information they have in order to
> continue your pointless hypotheticals about Le Chiffre making a perfect
> image of Bond from a blurry overhead security cam image for no
> particular reason, go ahead.
>
> And I have no idea why CNN knows MI-6 is involved. Maybe You'd probably
> have to actually read the script to know that. Who says they know it's
> MI-6 from the blurry image? Who says there wasn't a conversation
> recorded? Who says the reviewer didn't skip a couple of story points in
> boiling 30 pages down to one?
>
> So you'll have to watch the film you already hate in order to find out.

--- Gee, somebody here really gets defensive over an icon. You sure
you're not a Muslim?
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224907 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 19:09
JHause  
WQ wrote:
>
> --- Gee, somebody here really gets defensive over an icon. You sure
> you're not a Muslim?

Maybe it's my distorted genital persepective.

As the dweeb who spends his time adapting film scripts from somebody
else's novels for nobody in particular, then breaking down your
personal "entertainment quota" charts for the Bond films and posting
them on the Internet, you might want to watch the icon-worship crap.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224908 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 19:27
WQ  
JHause wrote:
> WQ wrote:
> >
> > --- Gee, somebody here really gets defensive over an icon. You sure
> > you're not a Muslim?
>
> Maybe it's my distorted genital persepective.
>
> As the dweeb who spends his time adapting film scripts from somebody
> else's novels for nobody in particular, then breaking down your
> personal "entertainment quota" charts for the Bond films and posting
> them on the Internet, you might want to watch the icon-worship crap.

--- At least I don't make it look like Bond and everything about Bond
can be infallible. I see the warts, I call them. I see otherwise, I
call them too. That's what's called being objective and not blindly
enamoured with a fictional character.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224910 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 19:46
Mac  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4715280.stm
>
> *Sigh*. It seems to me to be beyond question than any resemblance
> between the Menezes shooting and the relevant bit of the CR script
> report is tenuous and utterly coincidental. (I don't think the
> description of the scene on the BBC website is at all accurate either,
> so I suspect there's been a process of Chinese whispers going on
> here.) What I'd like to know is who's the idiot journalist who felt it
> appropriate to go public with this daft accusation, since all he's
> achieved is to distress the Menezes family yet further?

Watch out for the forthcoming PANORAMA documentary on the
real shooting.
--
--Mac
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224912 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 21:43
phil.gerrard1  
JHause, man, you're not getting it. It's obviously one of those
super-high-tech overhead security cameras which can get a clear,
full-face portrait of a person no matter where they are in relation to
the lens. Either that or Le Chiffre's got that software which can
reconstruct a man's face from, for example, a photograph of the top of
his head.

Best

Phil
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224940 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 03:35
JHause  
phil.gerrard [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
> JHause, man, you're not getting it. It's obviously one of those
> super-high-tech overhead security cameras which can get a clear,
> full-face portrait of a person no matter where they are in relation to
> the lens. Either that or Le Chiffre's got that software which can
> reconstruct a man's face from, for example, a photograph of the top of
> his head.
>
> Best
>
> Phil

LOL
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224942 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 03:38
JHause  
WQ wrote:
> --- At least I don't make it look like Bond and everything about Bond
> can be infallible. I see the warts, I call them. I see otherwise, I
> call them too. That's what's called being objective and not blindly
> enamoured with a fictional character.
LOL

Writing screenplays to novels you don't own for movies that were
already made and creating a "The Bond Film Enjoyment Index" isn't being
blindly enamored? Dude, you're practically starring in "The King of
Comedy."
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224946 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 04:21
Will Traynor  
"JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1140057536.714798.65340 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> WQ wrote:
>> --- At least I don't make it look like Bond and everything about Bond
>> can be infallible. I see the warts, I call them. I see otherwise, I
>> call them too. That's what's called being objective and not blindly
>> enamoured with a fictional character.
> LOL
>
> Writing screenplays to novels you don't own for movies that were
> already made and creating a "The Bond Film Enjoyment Index" isn't being
> blindly enamored? Dude, you're practically starring in "The King of
> Comedy."
>

Great movie, BTW
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224954 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 10:44
Kent  
"WQ" <wq [at] email.com> wrote in message
news:1140028053.042223.172860 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>I see the warts, I call them.

You're talking about gential warts aren't you? No offence, but I don't want
to know about your STD's!!!
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224970 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 17:39
WQ  
Will wrote:
> "JHause" <JHause [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1140057536.714798.65340 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > WQ wrote:
> >> --- At least I don't make it look like Bond and everything about Bond
> >> can be infallible. I see the warts, I call them. I see otherwise, I
> >> call them too. That's what's called being objective and not blindly
> >> enamoured with a fictional character.
> > LOL
> >
> > Writing screenplays to novels you don't own for movies that were
> > already made and creating a "The Bond Film Enjoyment Index" isn't being
> > blindly enamored? Dude, you're practically starring in "The King of
> > Comedy."
>
> Great movie, BTW

--- I may be "The King of Comedy" in JHause's view, but JHause
certainly is "The King of Morons." I'll take being a comedian over a
moron any day, thank you. And yes, the movie was great.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224974 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 18:02
JHause  
WQ wrote:
> --- I may be "The King of Comedy" in JHause's view, but JHause
> certainly is "The King of Morons." I'll take being a comedian over a
> moron any day, thank you. And yes, the movie was great.

You're Rupert Pupkin -- writing useless, unread screenplays for
yourself in your mom's basement while charting Bond movie "Enjoyment
Charts." In your free time, you worry about Amy Pascal's "distorted
genital perspective" in casting an actor you don't like (excuse me,
don't "remember"), and devise story notes involving some computer that
can take a fuzzy overhead security camera shot and somehow find enough
information to turn it into a perfect likeness of a person. For God's
sake -- get out of the basement. Get a life.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224983 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 18:54
WQ  
JHause wrote:
> WQ wrote:
> > --- I may be "The King of Comedy" in JHause's view, but JHause
> > certainly is "The King of Morons." I'll take being a comedian over a
> > moron any day, thank you. And yes, the movie was great.
>
> You're Rupert Pupkin -- writing useless, unread screenplays for
> yourself in your mom's basement while charting Bond movie "Enjoyment
> Charts." In your free time, you worry about Amy Pascal's "distorted
> genital perspective" in casting an actor you don't like (excuse me,
> don't "remember"), and devise story notes involving some computer that
> can take a fuzzy overhead security camera shot and somehow find enough
> information to turn it into a perfect likeness of a person. For God's
> sake -- get out of the basement. Get a life.

--- Ever hear of pastimes? Ever hear of challenges? Here's a
challenging pastime for you: find a fully functioning brain with a
minimum average IQ that fits your pea-sized head.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224985 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 19:04
JHause  
WQ wrote:
> --- Ever hear of pastimes? Ever hear of challenges? Here's a
> challenging pastime for you: find a fully functioning brain with a
> minimum average IQ that fits your pea-sized head.

OH! And I forgot the theory you worked up in your mom's basement where
Barbara Broccoli was bribing people to accept Daniel Craig!

"Hello -- New York Times? I have an exclusive for you... Barbara
Broccoli is friends with Daniel Craig... What do you mean, 'is that
it?' This s an exclusive here..."

"Rupert, are you on the phone again?"

"SHUT UP, MA'! I'M TALKING TO THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!"
Re: Depressing news story... [message #224995 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 21:23
Paul Clarke  
Oh cut it out, both of you! Or I'll make you sit in the corner and watch
'Moonraker' in an endless loop!

JHause wrote:
> WQ wrote:
>
>>--- Ever hear of pastimes? Ever hear of challenges? Here's a
>>challenging pastime for you: find a fully functioning brain with a
>>minimum average IQ that fits your pea-sized head.
>
>
> OH! And I forgot the theory you worked up in your mom's basement where
> Barbara Broccoli was bribing people to accept Daniel Craig!
>
> "Hello -- New York Times? I have an exclusive for you... Barbara
> Broccoli is friends with Daniel Craig... What do you mean, 'is that
> it?' This s an exclusive here..."
>
> "Rupert, are you on the phone again?"
>
> "SHUT UP, MA'! I'M TALKING TO THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!"
>
Re: Depressing news story... [message #225022 ] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 02:37
JHause  
Paul Clarke wrote:
> Oh cut it out, both of you! Or I'll make you sit in the corner and watch
> 'Moonraker' in an endless loop!
>

I'll just watch the opening and sleep through the rest, like I did in
the theater.
Re: Depressing news story... [message #225078 ] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 17:42
Paul Clarke  
JHause wrote:
> Paul Clarke wrote:
>
>>Oh cut it out, both of you! Or I'll make you sit in the corner and watch
>> 'Moonraker' in an endless loop!
>>
>
>
> I'll just watch the opening and sleep through the rest, like I did in
> the theater.
>

I envy you that experience.
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