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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » R.A.B. is definitely Regulus
R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223478] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 23:07
cwlNOSPAM  
The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!

Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.

It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
......
Green-Eyed Chris
Prefect
St. Brutus¹s Secure Center for Incurably Criminal Boys
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223480 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 23:38
Brian  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>
> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.

Can you explain that one for those of us in the cheap seats? What
about the dates makes it impossible?

--
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Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223483 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 00:19
drusilla  
Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>
> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>
> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
> .....

So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
talented wizard or a half-squib.

Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223487 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 01:42
wadkin2000  
drusilla wrote:
> Green-Eyed Chris escribi=F3:
> > The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
> > it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
> >
> > Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrie=
ved
> > and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
> >
> > It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
> > .....
>
> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
> talented wizard or a half-squib.
>
> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?


Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
horcrux from the cave.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223488 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 02:32
drusilla  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com escribió:
> drusilla wrote:
>> Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
>>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>>
>>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>>>
>>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>>> .....
>> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
>> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
>> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
>> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
>> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
>> talented wizard or a half-squib.
>>
>> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
>> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
>> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?
>
>
> Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
> died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
> 1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
> the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
> started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
> calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
> does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
> horcrux from the cave.
>

So frustrating... now the question is not whether RAB is Regulus Black
but which Regulus he was... :S
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223498 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 03:07
Imagun Aqilya  
<wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1140655326.898832.17590 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
horcrux from the cave.



No one said he did it alone. In fact, it was shown that you'd need at least
two individuals to do it. The leading theory seems to be that Kreacher went
along with him and may have been the one to drink the potion. Could be that
Kreacher's 'house elf magic' was sufficient to break through the defenses
and get them to the cauldron in the first place. It would be another case of
V underestimating those whom he regards as inferiors, 'to his cost', as it
were.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223506 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 03:53
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <dtip5a$vv6$1 [at] praesepe.isi.edu>, brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung) wrote:

>Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>
>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>
>Can you explain that one for those of us in the cheap seats? What
>about the dates makes it impossible?

In a word, the "dates".

*R. Alphard B.* was WAY too young and inexperienced for such a task; way
too *Green-Eyed*! ;-)

*R. Alphard B.* MAY have carried on the work started by his great-uncle.
I'm just postulating that it was *R. Arcturus B.* who wrote the "fragment
of parchment" that Harry found.

Have you taken into consideration that a fragment might be but a part of a
greater whole? If not, perhaps you really do put yourself in a "cheap
seat".

BTW, I do not recall having been assigned any type of seat here. I came to
alt.fan.harry-potter 2 days after the release of HBP. All hell was
loose!!! I lurked my way through thousands of postings and, 2 weeks later,
properly introduced myself as a newbie, posted the first of my many
*Green-Eyed* threads and took my blows accordingly. I still do. But it's
always a kick, reading the postings here, to observe how many of my little
ponderings have been embedded in the minds of people who never openly
reacted to my threads.
--
Chris
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223507 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 04:02
drusilla  
Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
> In article <dtip5a$vv6$1 [at] praesepe.isi.edu>, brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung) wrote:
>
>> Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>>
>>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>> Can you explain that one for those of us in the cheap seats? What
>> about the dates makes it impossible?
>
> In a word, the "dates".
>
> *R. Alphard B.* was WAY too young and inexperienced for such a task; way
> too *Green-Eyed*! ;-)
>

You're thinking like Voldemort...
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223509 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 04:11
Brian  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> Have you taken into consideration that a fragment might be but a part of a
> greater whole? If not, perhaps you really do put yourself in a "cheap
> seat".

No call for that.

--
Brian Tung <brian [at] isi.edu>
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
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Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223512 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 06:02
chappy  
drusilla wrote:
> Green-Eyed Chris escribi=F3:
> > In article <dtip5a$vv6$1 [at] praesepe.isi.edu>, brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung) =
wrote:
> >
> >> Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> >>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed =
and
> >>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
> >>>
> >>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retr=
ieved
> >>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
> >> Can you explain that one for those of us in the cheap seats? What
> >> about the dates makes it impossible?
> >
> > In a word, the "dates".
> >
> > *R. Alphard B.* was WAY too young and inexperienced for such a task; way
> > too *Green-Eyed*! ;-)
> >
>
> You're thinking like Voldemort...

Seriously, You don't think Harry is going to be able to destroy any
horcruxes. Maybe JK just killed everybody off for fun and he is going
to get Ron's dad to do it.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223522 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 10:12
Toon  
On 22 Feb 2006 16:42:06 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>drusilla wrote:
>> Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
>> > The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>> > it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>> >
>> > Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>> > and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>> >
>> > It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>> > .....
>>
>> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
>> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
>> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
>> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
>> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
>> talented wizard or a half-squib.
>>
>> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
>> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
>> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?
>
>
>Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
>died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
>1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
>the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
>started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
>calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
>does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
>horcrux from the cave.

Then how could Unvle Regalus know of the Prophecy?

Really, I think claiming an 18 year old can't is stupid. And for all
we know, his companion was skilled enough to do it, and might still be
within the DE's, plotting V's downfall. Regalous the Yougner could
have Impiroused someone to do it for him. who says he had to
physically do all the work himself? he cold have taken credit instead
of writing both set of initials, or the other dude's. Crouch Moody
changed the TWT Trophey, why not change the signature on a piece of
paper?
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223529 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 12:11
Kami  
Toon wrote:

> Really, I think claiming an 18 year old can't is stupid. And for all
> we know, his companion was skilled enough to do it, and might still be
> within the DE's, plotting V's downfall. Regalous the Yougner could
> have Impiroused someone to do it for him. who says he had to
> physically do all the work himself? he cold have taken credit instead
> of writing both set of initials, or the other dude's. Crouch Moody
> changed the TWT Trophey, why not change the signature on a piece of
> paper?

I'm still leaning towards Sirius's brother Regulus as the R.A.B. that
put the note in the locket. IMO, it is less important how he managed to
accomplish the task (since there are various ways he could have) and
more important that he had motivation to attempt to. We know that he
had a connection with LV that went sour. He would have known that his
death was imminent when he decided that life as a DE didn't suit him.
So, there really wasn't anything to lose by attempting to aid whomever
would inevitably follow him in their effort to kill LV. We don't know
anything about the other Regulus that would have motivated him to work
against LV and risk his death in doing so.

I also think that Drucilla and Toon make an excellent point about not
allowing the age to convince you that it isn't possible for the younger
Regulus to have been the R.A.B. in question. Considering everything
that Harry has managed to accomplish at his age (and what the Marauders
did too for that matter) I don't think it unreasonable to imagine that
he could be the one. Who would have thought that Draco would have been
capable of finding a way to cause the kind of chaos he managed to bring
about? Besides, I think that Sirius probably underestimated his
brother's value. He didn't like him and I think that it makes sense
that he may have overlooked some of his skill. Of course since Sirius
was at odds with everyone at home and left for James's place as often
as he could and then was out on his own ASAP perhaps he wasn't even
aware of some of his brother's talents. Someone else already pointed
out that Slughorn spoke well of him too. Well, that is my $0.02 for now
anyway.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223536 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:33
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <dtj94s$1sb$1 [at] praesepe.isi.edu>, brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung) wrote:

>Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>> Have you taken into consideration that a fragment might be but a part of a
>> greater whole? If not, perhaps you really do put yourself in a "cheap
>> seat".
>
>No call for that.

My apologies, should my English turn out to be a bit rusty. But your "Can
you explain that one for those of us in the cheap seats?" sounded like a
thinly veiled accusation of condescension which I, in turn, felt was not
called for.
--
Chris
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223537 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 17:52
Brian  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> My apologies, should my English turn out to be a bit rusty. But your "Can
> you explain that one for those of us in the cheap seats?" sounded like a
> thinly veiled accusation of condescension which I, in turn, felt was not
> called for.

Actually, it's a figure of self-depreciation. Meaning, I (along with
probably quite a few other folks) am not a Harry Potter expert, so if
you could explain your reasoning (because it certainly wasn't obvious
to me), that would help a lot. If you interpreted my question as
condescending, then I quite understand your reaction. But that's not
the way my question was meant at all.

--
Brian Tung <brian [at] isi.edu>
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
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Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223538 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 18:01
tbarry22  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>
> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>
> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
> .....

When did Voldemort leave school? We know he went in the 50s. While it
would be an interesting theory (and one that I wouldn't be surprised if
it were true), there is nothing that points to it as a fact. But do we
also know for a fact the Sirius's brother's middle name begins with an
A?
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223544 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:28
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <dtkp81$6l8$1 [at] praesepe.isi.edu>, brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung) wrote:

>Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>> My apologies, should my English turn out to be a bit rusty. But your "Can
>> you explain that one for those of us in the cheap seats?" sounded like a
>> thinly veiled accusation of condescension which I, in turn, felt was not
>> called for.
>
>Actually, it's a figure of self-depreciation. Meaning, I (along with
>probably quite a few other folks) am not a Harry Potter expert, so if
>you could explain your reasoning (because it certainly wasn't obvious
>to me), that would help a lot. If you interpreted my question as
>condescending, then I quite understand your reaction. But that's not
>the way my question was meant at all.

O.K. Brian, I'm glad we cleared that up. I don't see myself as an expert
either. The only thing that the dates tell me is that the younger Regulus,
at 18, seems too young to have done everything that R.A.B. is credited
with and that the elder Regulus, at 53, did not reach the age which we
would normally attribute to a wizard.

I can remember, Troels insisting that a credible source had revealed that
the "A" stood for Arcturus. I wrote then that I wouldn't put it past JKR
(who admitted that Regulus "would be a good guess") to thumb her nose at
us and say: "I let you get the "R" right, but I tricked you on the "A"."
That old feeling came back full force when I saw the second Regulus in the
completed Black family tree.

Perhaps, the elder Regulus had an issue with LV which the younger Regulus,
the great-nephew that he nver new, carried on. Many here have speculated
that R.A.B. could have been two people, but that was based mostly on the
"A" being an "And".

It is also interesting that the younger Regulus and his father both died
in the same year. Was Orion really as rabid about blood purity as
Walburga? Might he secretly have been on his son's side?

I wrote "R.A.B. is definitely Regulus" as a conscious provocation to get a
discussion going, but I'm not dumb enough to claim that I can prove
anything. ;-)
--
Chris
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223547 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:56
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <1140711311.580709.161270 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
tbarry22 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>
>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>>
>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>> .....
>
>When did Voldemort leave school? We know he went in the 50s. While it
>would be an interesting theory (and one that I wouldn't be surprised if
>it were true), there is nothing that points to it as a fact. But do we
>also know for a fact the Sirius's brother's middle name begins with an
>A?

1) LV attended Hogwarts from about 1937 to 1944. Let us know what that
might tell you.

2) As I just wrote to Brian, I wrote "R.A.B. is definitely Regulus" as a
conscious provocation to get a discussion going, but I'm not dumb enough
to claim that I can prove anything. ;-)

3) The only fact about the "A" is that somebody wrote it on a fragment of
parchment and put it between an "R" and a "B".
--
Chris
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223577 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 01:03
drusilla  
Toon escribió:
> On 22 Feb 2006 16:42:06 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> drusilla wrote:
>>> Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
>>>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>>>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>>>
>>>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>>>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>>>>
>>>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>>>> .....
>>> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
>>> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
>>> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
>>> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
>>> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
>>> talented wizard or a half-squib.
>>>
>>> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
>>> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
>>> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?
>>
>> Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
>> died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
>> 1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
>> the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
>> started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
>> calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
>> does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
>> horcrux from the cave.
>
> Then how could Unvle Regalus know of the Prophecy?

Besides, one might think the older Blacks were more bigot than the young
ones: if Regulus I ever met LV, he coud have been pleased with his ideals.

> Really, I think claiming an 18 year old can't is stupid. And for all
> we know, his companion was skilled enough to do it, and might still be
> within the DE's, plotting V's downfall. Regalous the Yougner could
> have Impiroused someone to do it for him. who says he had to
> physically do all the work himself? he cold have taken credit instead
> of writing both set of initials, or the other dude's. Crouch Moody
> changed the TWT Trophey, why not change the signature on a piece of
> paper?

The whole book is about underestimate the young ones, and that's
precisely the biggest of LV's mistakes: Harry Potter, James and Lily
(who defeated three times before they were 20), their DE were beaten by
kids: why Regulus II wouldn't be able to do something like that?
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223582 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 01:39
drusilla  
Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
> In article <dtkp81$6l8$1 [at] praesepe.isi.edu>, brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung) wrote:
>
>> Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>>> My apologies, should my English turn out to be a bit rusty. But your "Can
>>> you explain that one for those of us in the cheap seats?" sounded like a
>>> thinly veiled accusation of condescension which I, in turn, felt was not
>>> called for.
>> Actually, it's a figure of self-depreciation. Meaning, I (along with
>> probably quite a few other folks) am not a Harry Potter expert, so if
>> you could explain your reasoning (because it certainly wasn't obvious
>> to me), that would help a lot. If you interpreted my question as
>> condescending, then I quite understand your reaction. But that's not
>> the way my question was meant at all.
>
> O.K. Brian, I'm glad we cleared that up. I don't see myself as an expert
> either. The only thing that the dates tell me is that the younger Regulus,
> at 18, seems too young to have done everything that R.A.B. is credited
> with and that the elder Regulus, at 53, did not reach the age which we
> would normally attribute to a wizard.
>
> I can remember, Troels insisting that a credible source had revealed that
> the "A" stood for Arcturus. I wrote then that I wouldn't put it past JKR
> (who admitted that Regulus "would be a good guess") to thumb her nose at
> us and say: "I let you get the "R" right, but I tricked you on the "A"."
> That old feeling came back full force when I saw the second Regulus in the
> completed Black family tree.

So? Whether Regulus #2 was Arcturus, Alphard or Andromeda it doesn't
make any difference.

> Perhaps, the elder Regulus had an issue with LV which the younger Regulus,
> the great-nephew that he nver new, carried on. Many here have speculated
> that R.A.B. could have been two people, but that was based mostly on the
> "A" being an "And".
>
> It is also interesting that the younger Regulus and his father both died
> in the same year. Was Orion really as rabid about blood purity as
> Walburga? Might he secretly have been on his son's side?

Then why he didn't do anything when his older son ran away. And Sirius
said his father was the same - although perhaps not as hysterical as his
wife. Yet, you could be right about something: Sirius seemed to have had
a terrible relationship with his mother, but he barely named his father:
perhaps he wasn't much of an crazy maniac as Mrs. Black or changed his
mind realising he could make his other son to go away.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223624 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 08:02
dicconf  
In article <1140655326.898832.17590 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>drusilla wrote:
>> Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
>> > The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>> > it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>> >
>> > Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>> > and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>> >
>> > It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>> > .....

People seem to be ignoring something here, except for <wadkin2000&...> :

>> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18.
<snip>
>> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
>> reasons he could have had?

Wasn't he dead at the time?

>Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
>died in 1959.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
>1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
>the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
>started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
>calling him the Dark Lord.

> On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it does seem odd that
>at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the horcrux from the cave.

Regulus would probably have completed his 7th year N.E.W.T. training
by then. Harry and Hermione were (finally) being taught the basics of
creating their own potions in sixth year. A fully-trained wizard who
had completed his training could be very advanced, especially if he
had specialized in a particular area that happened to be relevant.

=Tamar
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223655 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 16:11
Toon  
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:03:16 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:

>Toon escribió:
>> On 22 Feb 2006 16:42:06 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> drusilla wrote:
>>>> Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
>>>>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>>>>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>>>>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>>>>> .....
>>>> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
>>>> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
>>>> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
>>>> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
>>>> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
>>>> talented wizard or a half-squib.
>>>>
>>>> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
>>>> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
>>>> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?
>>>
>>> Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
>>> died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
>>> 1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
>>> the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
>>> started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
>>> calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
>>> does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
>>> horcrux from the cave.
>>
>> Then how could Unvle Regalus know of the Prophecy?
>
>Besides, one might think the older Blacks were more bigot than the young
>ones: if Regulus I ever met LV, he coud have been pleased with his ideals.
>
>> Really, I think claiming an 18 year old can't is stupid. And for all
>> we know, his companion was skilled enough to do it, and might still be
>> within the DE's, plotting V's downfall. Regalous the Yougner could
>> have Impiroused someone to do it for him. who says he had to
>> physically do all the work himself? he cold have taken credit instead
>> of writing both set of initials, or the other dude's. Crouch Moody
>> changed the TWT Trophey, why not change the signature on a piece of
>> paper?
>
>The whole book is about underestimate the young ones, and that's
>precisely the biggest of LV's mistakes: Harry Potter, James and Lily
>(who defeated three times before they were 20), their DE were beaten by
>kids: why Regulus II wouldn't be able to do something like that?

In fact, V probably never suspected him either. he clearly as a
nothing to V, not even worth killing personally. This mighta been
Young RAB's wya of thumbing his nose at V, saying I am too important
for a perosnal killing.

ALl w eknow is, Regalus whichever was convinced V would know him fom
itials alone. so, there cna't be too many RAB's, and he ahs to have
doen soemhting to get on V's radar other than just knowing every DE
employed so to speak. RAB expected the intials to amke V go HIM!, and
know exactly who did it, and why. And the why is from opreviou
experiecne between the two. V knows exactly who RAB is, and why he'd
switch horcruxes. and it's suppsoed to really cheese him off based on
past meetings (Not thta V necesarrily would know him).

lIke 'Regalus! The guy who keeps calling me Voldiekins and insisted
he was one of the gretaets wizard sof his generation, yet I said will
neevr amount to anyhting,a nd wnated to kick him out. He stole it?
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223693 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 20:23
wadkin2000  
Toon wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:03:16 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>
> >Toon escribi=F3:
> >> On 22 Feb 2006 16:42:06 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> drusilla wrote:
> >>>> Green-Eyed Chris escribi=F3:
> >>>>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been reveale=
d and
> >>>>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, re=
trieved
> >>>>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
> >>>>> .....
> >>>> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what H=
arry
> >>>> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
> >>>> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
> >>>> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly b=
oy
> >>>> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
> >>>> talented wizard or a half-squib.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
> >>>> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that =
this
> >>>> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?
> >>>
> >>> Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
> >>> died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
> >>> 1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
> >>> the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
> >>> started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
> >>> calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
> >>> does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
> >>> horcrux from the cave.
> >>
> >> Then how could Unvle Regalus know of the Prophecy?
> >
> >Besides, one might think the older Blacks were more bigot than the young
> >ones: if Regulus I ever met LV, he coud have been pleased with his ideal=
s=2E
> >
> >> Really, I think claiming an 18 year old can't is stupid. And for all
> >> we know, his companion was skilled enough to do it, and might still be
> >> within the DE's, plotting V's downfall. Regalous the Yougner could
> >> have Impiroused someone to do it for him. who says he had to
> >> physically do all the work himself? he cold have taken credit instead
> >> of writing both set of initials, or the other dude's. Crouch Moody
> >> changed the TWT Trophey, why not change the signature on a piece of
> >> paper?
> >
> >The whole book is about underestimate the young ones, and that's
> >precisely the biggest of LV's mistakes: Harry Potter, James and Lily
> >(who defeated three times before they were 20), their DE were beaten by
> >kids: why Regulus II wouldn't be able to do something like that?
>
> In fact, V probably never suspected him either. he clearly as a
> nothing to V, not even worth killing personally. This mighta been
> Young RAB's wya of thumbing his nose at V, saying I am too important
> for a perosnal killing.
>
> ALl w eknow is, Regalus whichever was convinced V would know him fom
> itials alone. so, there cna't be too many RAB's, and he ahs to have
> doen soemhting to get on V's radar other than just knowing every DE
> employed so to speak. RAB expected the intials to amke V go HIM!, and
> know exactly who did it, and why. And the why is from opreviou
> experiecne between the two. V knows exactly who RAB is, and why he'd
> switch horcruxes. and it's suppsoed to really cheese him off based on
> past meetings (Not thta V necesarrily would know him).
>
> lIke 'Regalus! The guy who keeps calling me Voldiekins and insisted
> he was one of the gretaets wizard sof his generation, yet I said will
> neevr amount to anyhting,a nd wnated to kick him out. He stole it?

I'm still going to go with the younger RAB. Since he was a supporter
of Voldemort and all we know of him is what Sirius said, I think
(barring any surprises JK throws at us) that he is the most logical
choice, regardless of his age. The older RAB just doesn't fit into the
timeline (IMO).
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223823 ] Sa, 25 Februar 2006 17:20
Toon  
On 24 Feb 2006 11:23:10 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Toon wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:03:16 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Toon escribió:
>> >> On 22 Feb 2006 16:42:06 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> drusilla wrote:
>> >>>> Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
>> >>>>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>> >>>>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>> >>>>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>> >>>>> .....
>> >>>> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
>> >>>> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
>> >>>> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
>> >>>> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
>> >>>> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
>> >>>> talented wizard or a half-squib.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
>> >>>> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
>> >>>> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?
>> >>>
>> >>> Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
>> >>> died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
>> >>> 1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
>> >>> the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
>> >>> started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
>> >>> calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
>> >>> does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
>> >>> horcrux from the cave.
>> >>
>> >> Then how could Unvle Regalus know of the Prophecy?
>> >
>> >Besides, one might think the older Blacks were more bigot than the young
>> >ones: if Regulus I ever met LV, he coud have been pleased with his ideals.
>> >
>> >> Really, I think claiming an 18 year old can't is stupid. And for all
>> >> we know, his companion was skilled enough to do it, and might still be
>> >> within the DE's, plotting V's downfall. Regalous the Yougner could
>> >> have Impiroused someone to do it for him. who says he had to
>> >> physically do all the work himself? he cold have taken credit instead
>> >> of writing both set of initials, or the other dude's. Crouch Moody
>> >> changed the TWT Trophey, why not change the signature on a piece of
>> >> paper?
>> >
>> >The whole book is about underestimate the young ones, and that's
>> >precisely the biggest of LV's mistakes: Harry Potter, James and Lily
>> >(who defeated three times before they were 20), their DE were beaten by
>> >kids: why Regulus II wouldn't be able to do something like that?
>>
>> In fact, V probably never suspected him either. he clearly as a
>> nothing to V, not even worth killing personally. This mighta been
>> Young RAB's wya of thumbing his nose at V, saying I am too important
>> for a perosnal killing.
>>
>> ALl w eknow is, Regalus whichever was convinced V would know him fom
>> itials alone. so, there cna't be too many RAB's, and he ahs to have
>> doen soemhting to get on V's radar other than just knowing every DE
>> employed so to speak. RAB expected the intials to amke V go HIM!, and
>> know exactly who did it, and why. And the why is from opreviou
>> experiecne between the two. V knows exactly who RAB is, and why he'd
>> switch horcruxes. and it's suppsoed to really cheese him off based on
>> past meetings (Not thta V necesarrily would know him).
>>
>> lIke 'Regalus! The guy who keeps calling me Voldiekins and insisted
>> he was one of the gretaets wizard sof his generation, yet I said will
>> neevr amount to anyhting,a nd wnated to kick him out. He stole it?
>
>I'm still going to go with the younger RAB. Since he was a supporter
>of Voldemort and all we know of him is what Sirius said, I think
>(barring any surprises JK throws at us) that he is the most logical
>choice, regardless of his age. The older RAB just doesn't fit into the
>timeline (IMO).

Yup. age is a poor indictor of power. Harry and Tom have clearly
shown this.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223826 ] Sa, 25 Februar 2006 17:26
drusilla  
Toon escribió:

>>> lIke 'Regalus! The guy who keeps calling me Voldiekins and insisted
>>> he was one of the gretaets wizard sof his generation, yet I said will
>>> neevr amount to anyhting,a nd wnated to kick him out. He stole it?
>> I'm still going to go with the younger RAB. Since he was a supporter
>> of Voldemort and all we know of him is what Sirius said, I think
>> (barring any surprises JK throws at us) that he is the most logical
>> choice, regardless of his age. The older RAB just doesn't fit into the
>> timeline (IMO).
>
> Yup. age is a poor indictor of power. Harry and Tom have clearly
> shown this.

besides, going for the locket doesn't look that hard for a Dark Wizard.
He could have imperiused someone to drink the potion and be not afraid
of the dark and dead ones.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223934 ] So, 26 Februar 2006 11:12
Toon  
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:26:57 -0500, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote:

>Toon escribió:
>
>>>> lIke 'Regalus! The guy who keeps calling me Voldiekins and insisted
>>>> he was one of the gretaets wizard sof his generation, yet I said will
>>>> neevr amount to anyhting,a nd wnated to kick him out. He stole it?
>>> I'm still going to go with the younger RAB. Since he was a supporter
>>> of Voldemort and all we know of him is what Sirius said, I think
>>> (barring any surprises JK throws at us) that he is the most logical
>>> choice, regardless of his age. The older RAB just doesn't fit into the
>>> timeline (IMO).
>>
>> Yup. age is a poor indictor of power. Harry and Tom have clearly
>> shown this.
>
>besides, going for the locket doesn't look that hard for a Dark Wizard.
>He could have imperiused someone to drink the potion and be not afraid
>of the dark and dead ones.

He could have been the assistant, and simply wrote his name down to
look all cool and impressive. We don't know the full affects of the
poison, especially on a young, healthy buck. And one must assume the
antidote might have been ready and waiting.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #223972 ] So, 26 Februar 2006 18:56
Brian  
Toon wrote:
> He could have been the assistant, and simply wrote his name down to
> look all cool and impressive. We don't know the full affects of the
> poison, especially on a young, healthy buck. And one must assume the
> antidote might have been ready and waiting.

Perhaps the main significance of the note, and Harry and Dumbledore
picking it up, is that Voldemort won't know that he doesn't have that
horcrux anymore. I can see Voldemort taking it from Harry at the last
moment, locking it away somehow, and then daring Harry to kill him.

Or do I get one of the Standard Answers for that? :-o

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Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #224043 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 10:09
Toon  
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:56:01 -0800 (PST), brian [at] isi.edu (Brian Tung)
wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> He could have been the assistant, and simply wrote his name down to
>> look all cool and impressive. We don't know the full affects of the
>> poison, especially on a young, healthy buck. And one must assume the
>> antidote might have been ready and waiting.
>
>Perhaps the main significance of the note, and Harry and Dumbledore
>picking it up, is that Voldemort won't know that he doesn't have that
>horcrux anymore. I can see Voldemort taking it from Harry at the last
>moment, locking it away somehow, and then daring Harry to kill him.
>
>Or do I get one of the Standard Answers for that? :-o

Apart from tempting death,a sound theory. in fact, Harry might offer
it in exchange for the lives of his friends/hostages.

V takes it, disappears it like Dd did with Harry's luggage in HBP,
turns his back on Harry, then hears "Sucker! Avada Kadavra!" and
spends an eternity wondering how the his new home did Harry kill him
with a Horcrux? Was he truly that powerful?
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #224101 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 20:53
David  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>
> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>
> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!

It seems a tad odd that the parents of Regulus the Elder would have one
son named Arcturus as a first name (1901-1991) and another with the
same name as a middle name.
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224129 ] Di, 28 Februar 2006 02:12
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
David Mclallen wrote:

> Green-Eyed Chris wrote:

>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!

>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered,
>> retrieved and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.

>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!

> It seems a tad odd that the parents of Regulus the Elder would have one
> son named Arcturus as a first name (1901-1991) and another with the
> same name as a middle name.

Where are you getting this from? The family tree does not give a middle
name for either Regulus - and the younger Regulus could so have got the
locket horcrux, even if it was as someone else's assistant.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

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Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #224227 ] Di, 28 Februar 2006 21:10
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <1141069996.691441.128820 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"David" <dmclallen [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>
>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>>
>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>
>It seems a tad odd that the parents of Regulus the Elder would have one
>son named Arcturus as a first name (1901-1991) and another with the
>same name as a middle name.

Agreed. The better differentiation, elder/younger, came later. Still, the
middle names might just be the other way around (assuming, of course, that
either of them starts with "A".
--
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Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #230445 ] Do, 02 März 2006 09:40
Jan van Aalderen  
drusilla wrote:
> Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>
>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered,
>> retrieved
>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>>
>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>> .....
>
> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
> talented wizard or a half-squib.
>
> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?

As the horcruxes are likely protected by very black magic, a descendant
from the House of Black would, if himself a strong wizard, be more
likely to be able to counter it at 18 than Harry, who has not only been
kept ignorant of the entire wizarding world by DD's manipulations until
after his 11th birthday, but also, due to DD being negligent in
informing him about the prophecy and acting on it, has had no additional
tutoring on relevant subjects since... although DD alledgedly knew about
the horcruxes since at least Harry's 2nd year.

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Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #230447 ] Do, 02 März 2006 09:44
Jan van Aalderen  
Toon wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2006 16:42:06 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> drusilla wrote:
>>> Green-Eyed Chris escribió:
>>>> The complete family tree of the House of Black has now been revealed and
>>>> it's all clear now. Troels was right with his "Arcturus"!
>>>>
>>>> Regulus Alphard Black (1961 - 1979) could never have discovered, retrieved
>>>> and/or destroyed the locket horcrux.
>>>>
>>>> It was his great-uncle Regulus Arcturus Black (1906 - 1959)!
>>>> .....
>>> So? Regulus could have taken the Horcrux when he was 18. Look what Harry
>>> has done and he is not even 17... Ok, I admit that taking the Horcrux
>>> from the cave could be something worth of a quiet skilled wizard but
>>> many people has the image of Regulus as described in fandom: girly boy
>>> always whipping behind Sirius' pants. We don't know whether he was a
>>> talented wizard or a half-squib.
>>>
>>> Also, the chance of great uncle Regulus is possible as well, but what
>>> reasons he could have had? Besides, we don't have any evidence that this
>>> Regulus second name is Arcturus, isn't?
>>
>> Isn't there a problem with the timeline here? Regulus Arcturus Black
>> died in 1959. After leaving Hogwarts, Tom Riddle was gone from
>> 1945-1970 and no one knew where he was (supposedly learning more about
>> the Dark Arts). It was only in the 1970's that as Lord Voldemort he
>> started getting followers who were called Death Eaters and who were
>> calling him the Dark Lord. On the other hand, as Drusilla said, it
>> does seem odd that at 18 Regulus Alphard Black was able to get the
>> horcrux from the cave.
>
> Then how could Unvle Regalus know of the Prophecy?

The prophecy is irrelevant in the matter of the horcruxes. The locket
could have been taken to twarth V without the person doing so having any
knowledge of the prophecy, which might very well - even likely- not yet
have been made at that time.

> Really, I think claiming an 18 year old can't is stupid. And for all
> we know, his companion was skilled enough to do it, and might still be

If that companion - of which no mention is made - would have been
skilled enough while RAB was not, it is unlikely that RAB would have
written the note without even mentioning his companion.

> within the DE's, plotting V's downfall. Regalous the Yougner could
> have Impiroused someone to do it for him. who says he had to
> physically do all the work himself? he cold have taken credit instead
> of writing both set of initials, or the other dude's. Crouch Moody
> changed the TWT Trophey, why not change the signature on a piece of
> paper?


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Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #230610 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 14:12
Toon  
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:44:19 +0100, Jan van Aalderen
<reply-in-group-please [at] jva.getxs.nl> wrote:

>If that companion - of which no mention is made - would have been
>skilled enough while RAB was not, it is unlikely that RAB would have
>written the note without even mentioning his companion.

He's stealing the glory for himself.
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #230622 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 16:43
wadkin2000  
Toon wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:44:19 +0100, Jan van Aalderen
> <reply-in-group-please [at] jva.getxs.nl> wrote:
>
> >If that companion - of which no mention is made - would have been
> >skilled enough while RAB was not, it is unlikely that RAB would have
> >written the note without even mentioning his companion.
>
> He's stealing the glory for himself.

Looking through OOTP, I came across a scene where Sirius is telling
Harry about his brother: "I doubt Regulus was ever important enough to
be killed by Voldemort in person." Knowing JK, that leads me to believe
that maybe he WAS! I'm starting to see double meanings in every
sentence she writes!
Re: R.A.B. is definitely Regulus [message #230721 ] Sa, 04 März 2006 10:01
Toon  
On 3 Mar 2006 07:43:58 -0800, wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>Toon wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:44:19 +0100, Jan van Aalderen
>> <reply-in-group-please [at] jva.getxs.nl> wrote:
>>
>> >If that companion - of which no mention is made - would have been
>> >skilled enough while RAB was not, it is unlikely that RAB would have
>> >written the note without even mentioning his companion.
>>
>> He's stealing the glory for himself.
>
>Looking through OOTP, I came across a scene where Sirius is telling
>Harry about his brother: "I doubt Regulus was ever important enough to
>be killed by Voldemort in person." Knowing JK, that leads me to believe
>that maybe he WAS! I'm starting to see double meanings in every
>sentence she writes!

Especially since RAB is supposed to be easily identified by Voldikins.
and by someone who's supposed to have been quitted loyal, too.
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