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Black Family Tree [message #223442] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 15:56
wadkin2000  
I just saw that Dan Radcliffe purchased the Black Family Tree drawing
for $52,200. It was bought by his mother at the auction along with a
short play written by Tom Stoppard and a piece written by Iain Banks.
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223446 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 16:38
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <1140620200.666444.182670 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>I just saw that Dan Radcliffe purchased the Black Family Tree drawing
>for $52,200. It was bought by his mother at the auction along with a
>short play written by Tom Stoppard and a piece written by Iain Banks.

I confirm that. But it would it have hurt for you to mention your source?

The completed tree can be seen here (assuming that the people credited did
their homework properly):

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html

According to the following sources, the winning bid was placed by the
mother of a certain Daniel Radcliffe to the tune of £30,000 (peanuts!):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4739474.stm
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/index.php?articleID=8391

BTW, navigation is improving at the Leaking Piss-pot. I can tell because
I'm working with Mac-OS 9.2.2 and I.E. 5.1.7 (ancient!).
--
Chris
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223448 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 16:55
wadkin2000  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> In article <1140620200.666444.182670 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >I just saw that Dan Radcliffe purchased the Black Family Tree drawing
> >for $52,200. It was bought by his mother at the auction along with a
> >short play written by Tom Stoppard and a piece written by Iain Banks.
>
> I confirm that. But it would it have hurt for you to mention your source?
>
> The completed tree can be seen here (assuming that the people credited did
> their homework properly):
>
> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html
>
> According to the following sources, the winning bid was placed by the
> mother of a certain Daniel Radcliffe to the tune of =A330,000 (peanuts!):
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4739474.stm
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/index.php?articleID=3D8391
>
> BTW, navigation is improving at the Leaking Piss-pot. I can tell because
> I'm working with Mac-OS 9.2.2 and I.E. 5.1.7 (ancient!).
> --
> Chris


If there were only one source, I would have made note, but there were a
few different sites that had this information.
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223449 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 16:55
wadkin2000  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> In article <1140620200.666444.182670 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >I just saw that Dan Radcliffe purchased the Black Family Tree drawing
> >for $52,200. It was bought by his mother at the auction along with a
> >short play written by Tom Stoppard and a piece written by Iain Banks.
>
> I confirm that. But it would it have hurt for you to mention your source?
>
> The completed tree can be seen here (assuming that the people credited did
> their homework properly):
>
> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html
>
> According to the following sources, the winning bid was placed by the
> mother of a certain Daniel Radcliffe to the tune of =A330,000 (peanuts!):
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4739474.stm
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/index.php?articleID=3D8391
>
> BTW, navigation is improving at the Leaking Piss-pot. I can tell because
> I'm working with Mac-OS 9.2.2 and I.E. 5.1.7 (ancient!).
> --
> Chris


If there were only one source, I would have made note, but there were a
few different sites that had this information.
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223461 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 19:35
nystulc  
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> The completed tree can be seen here (assuming that the people credited did
> their homework properly):
>
> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html

Some interesting observations:

As previously suspected, both Sirius' parents are of the Black Line
(Second Cousins).

Sirius' grandfather Pollux Black was apparently a bad little boy while
at Hogwarts. He was apparently 13 at the time of the birth of Sirius'
mom. One would guess his grandmother, Irma Crabbe, was about the same
age. On the other hand, maybe the sources simply miscopied the birth
year of Sirius' mom (should be 1935 perhaps?)

Bellatrix Black was too old to have been a school-mate of Snape. But
since nothing prevents her from marrying a younger man, Rudolphus might
still have been part of Snape's "gang of Slytherins."

Is Ted Tonks a "muggle" as indicated on the chart, or a "muggle-born"
as indicated in Order of the Phoenix?
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223473 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 20:38
bethbriuk  
nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:
> Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> > The completed tree can be seen here (assuming that the people credited did
> > their homework properly):
> >
> > http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html
>
> Some interesting observations:
>
snipped

The most interesting (To me anyway) was the comparatively short lives
of most of them.
Wizards are supposed to have longer lives than muggles but the longest
shown seems to be Arcturus 1901 - 1991.

BriD
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223543 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 19:27
eggplant107  
I take it everybody noticed Charles Potter, Harry's grandfather
I'll bet. Looks line Neville's grandfather or grate grandfather is
on it too.

Eggplant
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223584 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 02:36
nystulc  
eggplant wrote:
> I take it everybody noticed Charles Potter, Harry's grandfather
> I'll bet. Looks line Neville's grandfather or grate grandfather is
> on it too.

I believe the spelling is "Charlus" Potter. He might not be Harry's
grandfather, but his grandfather's brother, or his grandfather's first
cousin, or his grandfather's second cousin, or his grandfather's third
cousin.

One mystery has been why Sirius' parents permitted the Estate to be
passed to Sirius, if they hated him so much. The chart helps answer
that question. Sirius' parents pre-deceased Sirius' paternal
grandfather. Therefore they never took possession of the estate and
had no say in the matter. The estate passed directly to Sirius from
his grandfather..
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223795 ] Sa, 25 Februar 2006 14:48
Lady Grey  
BriD wrote:
> nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:
> > Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> > > The completed tree can be seen here (assuming that the people credited did
> > > their homework properly):
> > >
> > > http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html
> >
> > Some interesting observations:
> >
> snipped
>
> The most interesting (To me anyway) was the comparatively short lives
> of most of them.

maybe dabbling in dark arts shortens life.

--
Jane Grey
Re: Black Family Tree [message #223796 ] Sa, 25 Februar 2006 14:54
Lady Grey  
nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:
> Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
> > The completed tree can be seen here (assuming that the people credited did
> > their homework properly):
> >
> > http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html
>
> Some interesting observations:
>
> As previously suspected, both Sirius' parents are of the Black Line
> (Second Cousins).

it's a bit gross that they are both so closely related.

> Sirius' grandfather Pollux Black was apparently a bad little boy while
> at Hogwarts. He was apparently 13 at the time of the birth of Sirius'
> mom. One would guess his grandmother, Irma Crabbe, was about the same
> age. On the other hand, maybe the sources simply miscopied the birth
> year of Sirius' mom (should be 1935 perhaps?)

that would make sense, cos it'd also make her younger than Sirius' dad.

> Bellatrix Black was too old to have been a school-mate of Snape. But
> since nothing prevents her from marrying a younger man, Rudolphus might
> still have been part of Snape's "gang of Slytherins."

it's not very proper though is it, marrying someone younger?

> Is Ted Tonks a "muggle" as indicated on the chart, or a "muggle-born"
> as indicated in Order of the Phoenix?

he's a muggle born.

--
Jane Grey
Re: Black Family Tree [message #224099 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 20:32
David  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> I just saw that Dan Radcliffe purchased the Black Family Tree drawing
> for $52,200. It was bought by his mother at the auction along with a
> short play written by Tom Stoppard and a piece written by Iain Banks.
Re: Black Family Tree [message #224102 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 21:00
David  
David wrote: not a damn thing

Succinct, ain't I?

Okay, I just hit the button too soon.

Seriously, my question is - who has seen JKR's original Black family
tree? Is there a picture of it somewhere?
Re: Black Family Tree [message #224106 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 21:37
The REAL Naminanu  
"Jane Grey" <jane.grey [at] hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1140875640.234153.56630 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
> it's not very proper though is it, marrying someone younger?
>

>
> --
> Jane Grey
>

Don't tell my fiancée that......

TRN
Re: Black Family Tree [message #224109 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 21:57
drusilla  
Jane Grey escribió:
> nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:

>
>> Is Ted Tonks a "muggle" as indicated on the chart, or a "muggle-born"
>> as indicated in Order of the Phoenix?
>
> he's a muggle born.
>
> --
> Jane Grey

I am not really sure but I think Tonks referred to him as muggle; while
Sirius as a muggle-born. Tonks should know better although she coud have
used to the word muggle as she was comparing him with the Dursleys.

(Jane, you voted Snape not evil? If Black had been buried, he'd be
twitching inside his grave!)

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Re: Black Family Tree [message #224112 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 23:01
wadkin2000  
David wrote:
> David wrote: not a damn thing
>
> Succinct, ain't I?
>
> Okay, I just hit the button too soon.
>
> Seriously, my question is - who has seen JKR's original Black family
> tree? Is there a picture of it somewhere?

It's on the HP Lexicon under Black family.
Re: Black Family Tree [message #224114 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 23:52
Eric Bohlman  
drusilla <gammanormids*erasethis* [at] gmail.com> wrote in
news:44036893$0$5473$6d36acad [at] titian.nntpserver.com:

> I am not really sure but I think Tonks referred to him as muggle;
> while Sirius as a muggle-born. Tonks should know better although she
> coud have used to the word muggle as she was comparing him with the
> Dursleys.

They both say "muggle-born":

Tonks in OOTP 3: "My dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob."

Sirius in OOTP 6: "Andromeda's sisters are still here because they made
lovely, respectable pure-blood marriages, but Andromeda married a Muggle-
born, Ted Tonks, so ---"
Re: Black Family Tree [message #224116 ] Mo, 27 Februar 2006 23:55
drusilla  
Eric Bohlman escribió:
> drusilla <gammanormids*erasethis* [at] gmail.com> wrote in
> news:44036893$0$5473$6d36acad [at] titian.nntpserver.com:
>
>> I am not really sure but I think Tonks referred to him as muggle;
>> while Sirius as a muggle-born. Tonks should know better although she
>> coud have used to the word muggle as she was comparing him with the
>> Dursleys.
>
> They both say "muggle-born":
>
> Tonks in OOTP 3: "My dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob."
>
> Sirius in OOTP 6: "Andromeda's sisters are still here because they made
> lovely, respectable pure-blood marriages, but Andromeda married a Muggle-
> born, Ted Tonks, so ---"

All right, then. My mistake.
(But then where I heard he was a muggle...?)
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224128 ] Di, 28 Februar 2006 02:19
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Eric Bohlman wrote:

> Drusilla wrote:

>> I am not really sure but I think Tonks referred to him as muggle;
>> while Sirius as a muggle-born. Tonks should know better although she
>> coud have used to the word muggle as she was comparing him with the
>> Dursleys.

> They both say "muggle-born":

Yes but all muggles are muggle-born; if they weren't they'd be squibs.


> Tonks in OOTP 3: "My dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob."

You've misquoted her - the full version is...

"Very ~clean~, aren't they, these Muggles?" said the witch called
Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. "My
dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies,
just as it does with wizards?"

Tonks is comparing how clean muggle Petunia is with slobbish muggle Ted,
and then she specifically says that neither of them are wizards.


> Sirius in OOTP 6: "Andromeda's sisters are still here because they made
> lovely, respectable pure-blood marriages, but Andromeda married a Muggle-
> born, Ted Tonks, so ---"

The family tree recently purchased by Daniel Radcliffe for £30,000 has a
key to the holes - #7 is "Andromeda, who married a muggle 'Ted Tonks'".


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

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Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224136 ] Di, 28 Februar 2006 03:11
drusilla  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
> Eric Bohlman wrote:
>
>> Drusilla wrote:
>
>>> I am not really sure but I think Tonks referred to him as muggle;
>>> while Sirius as a muggle-born. Tonks should know better although she
>>> coud have used to the word muggle as she was comparing him with the
>>> Dursleys.
>
>> They both say "muggle-born":
>
> Yes but all muggles are muggle-born; if they weren't they'd be squibs.
>
>
>> Tonks in OOTP 3: "My dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob."
>
> You've misquoted her - the full version is...
>
> "Very ~clean~, aren't they, these Muggles?" said the witch called
> Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. "My
> dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies,
> just as it does with wizards?"
>
> Tonks is comparing how clean muggle Petunia is with slobbish muggle Ted,
> and then she specifically says that neither of them are wizards.
>
>
>> Sirius in OOTP 6: "Andromeda's sisters are still here because they made
>> lovely, respectable pure-blood marriages, but Andromeda married a Muggle-
>> born, Ted Tonks, so ---"
>
> The family tree recently purchased by Daniel Radcliffe for £30,000 has a
> key to the holes - #7 is "Andromeda, who married a muggle 'Ted Tonks'".
>
>
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
>

It makes more sense that Ted were a muggle-born wizard, as Andromeda
could have met him at Hogwarts. I doubt the Blacks have easy access to
the muggle world, no to say muggles.
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Re: Black Family Tree [message #224159 ] Di, 28 Februar 2006 05:44
Kami  
drusilla wrote:
> Jane Grey escribi=F3:
> > nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:
>
> >
> >> Is Ted Tonks a "muggle" as indicated on the chart, or a "muggle-born"
> >> as indicated in Order of the Phoenix?
> >
> > he's a muggle born.

> I am not really sure but I think Tonks referred to him as muggle; while
> Sirius as a muggle-born. Tonks should know better although she coud have
> used to the word muggle as she was comparing him with the Dursleys.

I was wondering about this too and looked it up to be certain. Jane is
right; and so is the chart apparently -- Ted Tonks was Muggle-born, not
a muggle himself.

" 'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)
Re: Black Family Tree [message #224163 ] Di, 28 Februar 2006 06:30
drusilla  
Kami escribió:
> drusilla wrote:
>> Jane Grey escribió:
>>> nystulc [at] cs.com wrote:
>>>> Is Ted Tonks a "muggle" as indicated on the chart, or a "muggle-born"
>>>> as indicated in Order of the Phoenix?
>>> he's a muggle born.
>
>> I am not really sure but I think Tonks referred to him as muggle; while
>> Sirius as a muggle-born. Tonks should know better although she coud have
>> used to the word muggle as she was comparing him with the Dursleys.
>
> I was wondering about this too and looked it up to be certain. Jane is
> right; and so is the chart apparently -- Ted Tonks was Muggle-born, not
> a muggle himself.
>
> " 'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
> Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
> dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
> like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)
>

well, as I said few post bellow, "it makes more sense that Ted were a
muggle-born wizard, as Andromeda could have met him at Hogwarts. I doubt
the Blacks have easy access to the muggle world, no to say muggles. "
Re: Black Family Tree [message #224171 ] Di, 28 Februar 2006 08:20
Kami  
drusilla wrote:

> well, as I said few post bellow, "it makes more sense that Ted were a
> muggle-born wizard, as Andromeda could have met him at Hogwarts. I doubt
> the Blacks have easy access to the muggle world, no to say muggles. "

No arguement here, makes sense to me too.
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224261 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 01:33
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Drusilla wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Eric Bohlman wrote:

>>> Drusilla wrote:

>>>> I am not really sure but I think Tonks referred to him as muggle;
>>>> while Sirius as a muggle-born. Tonks should know better although she
>>>> coud have used to the word muggle as she was comparing him with the
>>>> Dursleys.

>>> They both say "muggle-born":

>> Yes but all muggles are muggle-born; if they weren't they'd be squibs.


>>> Tonks in OOTP 3: "My dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob."

>> You've misquoted her - the full version is...

>> "Very ~clean~, aren't they, these Muggles?" said the witch called
>> Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. "My
>> dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies,
>> just as it does with wizards?"

>> Tonks is comparing how clean muggle Petunia is with slobbish muggle Ted,
>> and then she specifically says that neither of them are wizards.


>>> Sirius in OOTP 6: "Andromeda's sisters are still here because they
>>> made lovely, respectable pure-blood marriages, but Andromeda married a
>>> Muggle- born, Ted Tonks, so ---"

>> The family tree recently purchased by Daniel Radcliffe for £30,000 has a
>> key to the holes - #7 is "Andromeda, who married a muggle 'Ted Tonks'".

> It makes more sense that Ted were a muggle-born wizard, as Andromeda
> could have met him at Hogwarts.

But that didn't happen, since Ted was a muggle-born muggle.


> I doubt the Blacks have easy access to the muggle world, no to say
> muggles.

Isla Black married a muggle a hundred years earlier, when access to
muggles could hardly have been easier than in modern times.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

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Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224262 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 01:35
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Kami wrote:

> I was wondering about this too and looked it up to be certain. Jane is
> right; and so is the chart apparently

The chart says that Andromeda was disowned for marrying muggle Ted Tonks.


> Ted Tonks was Muggle-born, not a muggle himself.

Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?


> "'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
> Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
> dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
> like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)

That passage proves that Ted is a muggle.


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Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224266 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 04:16
drusilla  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
> Kami wrote:
>
>> I was wondering about this too and looked it up to be certain. Jane is
>> right; and so is the chart apparently
>
> The chart says that Andromeda was disowned for marrying muggle Ted Tonks.
>
>
>> Ted Tonks was Muggle-born, not a muggle himself.
>
> Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?
>
>
>> "'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
>> Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
>> dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
>> like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)
>
> That passage proves that Ted is a muggle.
>
>
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
>

The things is whether he can do magic or not. Sirius referred to him as
muggle-born and I think he meant a 'muggle-born-wizard'.

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Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224286 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 10:20
Toon  
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:35:01 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?

Hippogrifs fly through the night, leaving little bundles of joy (and
Dudley) on doorsteps.
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224325 ] Mi, 01 März 2006 23:11
Kami  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> Kami wrote:
>
> > I was wondering about this too and looked it up to be certain. Jane is
> > right; and so is the chart apparently
>
> The chart says that Andromeda was disowned for marrying muggle Ted Tonks.
>
>
> > Ted Tonks was Muggle-born, not a muggle himself.
>
> Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?
>
>
> > "'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
> > Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
> > dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
> > like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)
>
> That passage proves that Ted is a muggle.

Obviously all muggles are muggle-born; but muggle-borns however are
wizards not muggles. Ted Tonks is a muggle-born, not a muggle. In that
passage, when Tonks says "Very clean, aren't they, THESE Muggles?" she
is referring to the Dursleys, as it is their kitchen she is surveying.
She says her dad is MUGGLE-BORN and a right old slob. Just because he
was born to and raised by muggles, he himself is not neat and tidy as
is Petunia Dursley.
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224348 ] Do, 02 März 2006 01:30
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Drusilla wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Kami wrote:

>>> I was wondering about this too and looked it up to be certain. Jane is
>>> right; and so is the chart apparently

>> The chart says that Andromeda was disowned for marrying muggle Ted
>> Tonks.


>>> Ted Tonks was Muggle-born, not a muggle himself.

>> Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?


>>> "'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
>>> Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
>>> dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
>>> like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)

>> That passage proves that Ted is a muggle.

> The things is whether he can do magic or not. Sirius referred to him as
> muggle-born and I think he meant a 'muggle-born-wizard'.

You can imagine what he thought as much as you like, but that isn't what
he said. 'Muggle-born' means born to muggles, it doesn't mean magical.


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Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224349 ] Do, 02 März 2006 01:30
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Car Toon wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?

> Hippogrifs fly through the night, leaving little bundles of joy (and
> Dudley) on doorsteps.

Rotfl, whereas Harry came by motorbike (eventually).


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Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224353 ] Do, 02 März 2006 01:30
Kish  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> Drusilla wrote:
>
>
>>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>
>>>Kami wrote:

>>>> "'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
>>>>Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
>>>>dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
>>>>like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)
>
>
>>>That passage proves that Ted is a muggle.
>
>
>>The things is whether he can do magic or not. Sirius referred to him as
>>muggle-born and I think he meant a 'muggle-born-wizard'.
>
>
> You can imagine what he thought as much as you like,

And so can you, Blon.

> but that isn't what
> he said.

Just as the passage you quoted does not prove, or even come close to
proving, that Ted is or was a Muggle.
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224354 ] Do, 02 März 2006 01:30
drusilla  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
> Drusilla wrote:

>> The things is whether he can do magic or not. Sirius referred to him as
>> muggle-born and I think he meant a 'muggle-born-wizard'.
>
> You can imagine what he thought as much as you like, but that isn't what
> he said. 'Muggle-born' means born to muggles, it doesn't mean magical.
>
>
But Black is a wizard and Tonks is a witch. When they say 'muggle-born'
they mean wizards
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224355 ] Do, 02 März 2006 01:30
drusilla  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen escribió:
> Car Toon wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>> Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?
>
>> Hippogrifs fly through the night, leaving little bundles of joy (and
>> Dudley) on doorsteps.
>
> Rotfl, whereas Harry **came by motorbike** (eventually).
>

LOL
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224361 ] Do, 02 März 2006 01:30
Brian  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> You can imagine what he thought as much as you like, but that isn't what
> he said. 'Muggle-born' means born to muggles, it doesn't mean magical.

But (he says, thinking off the cuff here), wouldn't we call a
non-magical either a muggle or a squib, depending on whether he or she
was born to muggles or wizards? In other words, referring to someone
as a muggle-born seems at least a little odd if they're non-magical.

What do we call a half-blood non-magical?

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Re: The Black Family Tree [message #224363 ] Do, 02 März 2006 01:30
drusilla  
Brian Tung escribió:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>> You can imagine what he thought as much as you like, but that isn't what
>> he said. 'Muggle-born' means born to muggles, it doesn't mean magical.
>
> But (he says, thinking off the cuff here), wouldn't we call a
> non-magical either a muggle or a squib, depending on whether he or she
> was born to muggles or wizards? In other words, referring to someone
> as a muggle-born seems at least a little odd if they're non-magical.
>
> What do we call a half-blood non-magical?
>

Squib?
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #230410 ] Do, 02 März 2006 03:05
Kami  
> > The things is whether he can do magic or not. Sirius referred to him as
> > muggle-born and I think he meant a 'muggle-born-wizard'.
>
> You can imagine what he thought as much as you like, but that isn't what
> he said. 'Muggle-born' means born to muggles, it doesn't mean magical.

Why would anyone refer to a Muggle as Muggle-born? That would be
redundant; it would be adequate to simply refer to a Muggle as a
Muggle. Why bother inventing and/or using the term "Muggle-born" unless
it is to be used strictly to refer the purity of the bloodline of
witches and wizards?Tonks said that Ted Tonks was Muggle-born because
he is a Muggle-born wizard. Remember when Ron explained the term
"Mudblood" in COS?

"Mudblood's a really foul name for someone who is a Muggle-born --
you know,
non-magic parents." (COS, Ch. 7 - Mudbloods and Murmurs, pg. 115)
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #230432 ] Do, 02 März 2006 05:28
wadkin2000  
Kami wrote:
> > > The things is whether he can do magic or not. Sirius referred to him as
> > > muggle-born and I think he meant a 'muggle-born-wizard'.
> >
> > You can imagine what he thought as much as you like, but that isn't what
> > he said. 'Muggle-born' means born to muggles, it doesn't mean magical.
>
> Why would anyone refer to a Muggle as Muggle-born? That would be
> redundant; it would be adequate to simply refer to a Muggle as a
> Muggle. Why bother inventing and/or using the term "Muggle-born" unless
> it is to be used strictly to refer the purity of the bloodline of
> witches and wizards?Tonks said that Ted Tonks was Muggle-born because
> he is a Muggle-born wizard. Remember when Ron explained the term
> "Mudblood" in COS?
>
> "Mudblood's a really foul name for someone who is a Muggle-born --
> you know,
> non-magic parents." (COS, Ch. 7 - Mudbloods and Murmurs, pg. 115)



According to the Lexicon and interviews with JK, the term "muggle-born"
is a wizarding person with magical powers who was born to two muggle
parents (i.e., Ted Tonks) The term "muggle" is a person who has no
magical powers at all. A "half-blood" is a witch or wizard with at
least one muggle parent or grandparent.
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #230457 ] Do, 02 März 2006 10:40
Toon  
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:41:19 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Drusilla wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>> Kami wrote:
>
>>>> I was wondering about this too and looked it up to be certain. Jane is
>>>> right; and so is the chart apparently
>
>>> The chart says that Andromeda was disowned for marrying muggle Ted
>>> Tonks.
>
>
>>>> Ted Tonks was Muggle-born, not a muggle himself.
>
>>> Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?
>
>
>>>> "'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
>>>> Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
>>>> dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
>>>> like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)
>
>>> That passage proves that Ted is a muggle.
>
>> The things is whether he can do magic or not. Sirius referred to him as
>> muggle-born and I think he meant a 'muggle-born-wizard'.
>
>You can imagine what he thought as much as you like, but that isn't what
>he said. 'Muggle-born' means born to muggles, it doesn't mean magical.
>
>
>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Muggle Borns are Magicals born of Muggles. If he's Muggle Born, he's
magical. Muggles are nonmagics, and a muggle begetting a muggle, ie
the Evans to Petunia, is a Muggle. Not a Muggle Born. Lily Muggle
Born Witch. Petunia Muggle. James Pure Blood Wizard. Harry Half
Blood Wizard. Ted Tonks Muggle Born Wizard.
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #230459 ] Do, 02 März 2006 10:42
Toon  
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:42:46 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Car Toon wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>> Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?
>
>> Hippogrifs fly through the night, leaving little bundles of joy (and
>> Dudley) on doorsteps.
>
>Rotfl, whereas Harry came by motorbike (eventually).
>

The second time around. First would be by Hippogriff to the Potters.
Re: The Black Family Tree [message #230538 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 02:09
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Kami wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Kami wrote:

>>> Ted Tonks was Muggle-born, not a muggle himself.

>> Kami, ~all~ muggles are muggle-born, where do you think they come from?


>>> "'Very clean, aren't they, these Muggles?' said the witch called
>>> Tonks, who was looking around the kitchen with great interest. 'My
>>> dad's Muggle-born and he's a right old slob. I suppose it varies, just
>>> like with wizards?' " (OOTP, Ch. 3 - The Advance Guard, pg. 50)

>> That passage proves that Ted is a muggle.

> Obviously all muggles are muggle-born; but muggle-borns however are
> wizards not muggles.

You just contradicted yourself.

Perhaps what you wanted to say is that all muggles are muggle-born, but
not all muggle-borns are muggles, some are wizards. Although this is true
it doesn't advance your case. Muggle-born just means born to a muggle.


> Ted Tonks is a muggle-born,

That means his parents were muggles.


> not a muggle.

That you can't tell from the fact that his parents were muggles.

You are simply so used to seeing the phrase be applied to a particular
type of wizard that you think it means a wizard. It doesn't. All black
cats are cats, and some cats are black, but blacks don't go miaow.


> In that passage, when Tonks says "Very clean, aren't they, THESE
> Muggles?" she is referring to the Dursleys, as it is their kitchen
> she is surveying. She says her dad is MUGGLE-BORN and a right old
> slob. Just because he was born to and raised by muggles, he himself
> is not neat and tidy as is Petunia Dursley.

Yes that's right, but then she supposes that it varies, just like with
wizards. This shows that her first two sentences were a non-wizarding
comparison; she's being very careful not to mix 'apples & oranges'.

In fact, I might make it clearer by recasting Nymphadora's statement...

"'Very sweet, aren't they, these apples?' said Tonks, as she sampled
Petunia's fruit with great interest. 'My dad has an apple-tree and
his taste bland. I suppose it varies, just like with oranges?'"


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Re: The Black Family Tree [message #230546 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 02:23
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Brian Tung wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> You can imagine what he thought as much as you like, but that isn't what
>> he said. 'Muggle-born' means born to muggles, it doesn't mean magical.

> But (he says, thinking off the cuff here), wouldn't we call a
> non-magical either a muggle or a squib, depending on whether he or she
> was born to muggles or wizards? In other words, referring to someone
> as a muggle-born seems at least a little odd if they're non-magical.

Not really; these are all racist terms, tarring people with the same brush.


> What do we call a half-blood non-magical?

I would call them a person.


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