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Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #222946] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 20:29
RobMac  
I haven't seen this mentioned, so here's a question.

The locket Dd found in the cave with Harry was not a Horcrux, since there
was a note inside the locket from R.A.B. saying they (we don't know R.A.B.'s
sex) stole the original locket (we have to assume the real Horcrux was a
locket since the note was put inside another locket, and why would LV's
Death Eaters open a locket unless they believed it was a Horcrux?

So, R.A.B. stole the original Locket (and destroyed it?), why was the fake
locket in the middle of the lake in the cave within a bowl of poisonous
liquid?

Really, if LV put it there before he attacked the Potter's, how did he not
notice the locket was not Slytherin's (the real Horcrux)?

If R.A.B. put it there, why would R.A.B. & companion (since we know it can't
be done alone) empty the bowl and steal the real Horcrux, replace it with a
fake, write a note and refill the bowl with the same poisonous brew? How did
R.A.B. know what the liquid was and did R.A.B. have a potions kit and
cauldron with them when they went into the cave and brew up the same
poisonous liquid?

Why was the fake locket in the poisonous liquid in the cave at all?
If R.A.B. wanted LV to know the Horcrux was gone, why not just leave the now
empty bowl empty? Why refill it with a fake locket and a note?

Thoughts?

(And if this HAS been discussed before and you're tired of seeing it, move
alone)



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Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #222947 ] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 21:22
Baronjosefr  
"RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140204506_363 [at] sp1iad.superfeed.net...
>I haven't seen this mentioned, so here's a question.
>
> The locket Dd found in the cave with Harry was not a Horcrux, since there
> was a note inside the locket from R.A.B. saying they (we don't know
> R.A.B.'s sex) stole the original locket (we have to assume the real
> Horcrux was a locket since the note was put inside another locket, and why
> would LV's Death Eaters open a locket unless they believed it was a
> Horcrux?
>
> So, R.A.B. stole the original Locket (and destroyed it?), why was the fake
> locket in the middle of the lake in the cave within a bowl of poisonous
> liquid?
>
> Really, if LV put it there before he attacked the Potter's, how did he not
> notice the locket was not Slytherin's (the real Horcrux)?
>
> If R.A.B. put it there, why would R.A.B. & companion (since we know it
> can't be done alone) empty the bowl and steal the real Horcrux, replace it
> with a fake, write a note and refill the bowl with the same poisonous
> brew? How did R.A.B. know what the liquid was and did R.A.B. have a
> potions kit and cauldron with them when they went into the cave and brew
> up the same poisonous liquid?
>
> Why was the fake locket in the poisonous liquid in the cave at all?
> If R.A.B. wanted LV to know the Horcrux was gone, why not just leave the
> now empty bowl empty? Why refill it with a fake locket and a note?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> (And if this HAS been discussed before and you're tired of seeing it, move
> alone)
>
>
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I truly believe that one of the reasons Kreacher is soo screwed up is that
he was forced by R.A.B. to drink that potion, as DD later did.
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #222952 ] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 22:59
efuritafr  
RobMac wrote:
> I haven't seen this mentioned, so here's a question.
>
> The locket Dd found in the cave with Harry was not a Horcrux, since there
> was a note inside the locket from R.A.B. saying they (we don't know R.A.B.'s
> sex) stole the original locket (we have to assume the real Horcrux was a
> locket since the note was put inside another locket, and why would LV's
> Death Eaters open a locket unless they believed it was a Horcrux?
>
> So, R.A.B. stole the original Locket (and destroyed it?), why was the fake
> locket in the middle of the lake in the cave within a bowl of poisonous
> liquid?
>
> Really, if LV put it there before he attacked the Potter's, how did he not
> notice the locket was not Slytherin's (the real Horcrux)?
>
> If R.A.B. put it there, why would R.A.B. & companion (since we know it can't
> be done alone) empty the bowl and steal the real Horcrux, replace it with a
> fake, write a note and refill the bowl with the same poisonous brew? How did
> R.A.B. know what the liquid was and did R.A.B. have a potions kit and
> cauldron with them when they went into the cave and brew up the same
> poisonous liquid?
>
> Why was the fake locket in the poisonous liquid in the cave at all?
> If R.A.B. wanted LV to know the Horcrux was gone, why not just leave the now
> empty bowl empty? Why refill it with a fake locket and a note?
>
> Thoughts?

LV believes that none knows about his secret. He didn't even say it to
DE (Lucius Malfoy knew nothing about the exact nature of the diary). We
don't know if LV visits the cave, I guess he would not lokk for the
Horcrux unless he needs it. That's why the person(s) who stole the real
hocrux made things the way they were.

> (And if this HAS been discussed before and you're tired of seeing it, move
> alone)
>
>
>
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Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #222956 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 00:57
Nuki Mouse  
<efuritafr [at] yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1140213562.996518.147830 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> RobMac wrote:
>> I haven't seen this mentioned, so here's a question.
>>
>> The locket Dd found in the cave with Harry was not a Horcrux, since there
>> was a note inside the locket from R.A.B. saying they (we don't know
>> R.A.B.'s
>> sex) stole the original locket (we have to assume the real Horcrux was a
>> locket since the note was put inside another locket, and why would LV's
>> Death Eaters open a locket unless they believed it was a Horcrux?
>>
>> So, R.A.B. stole the original Locket (and destroyed it?), why was the
>> fake
>> locket in the middle of the lake in the cave within a bowl of poisonous
>> liquid?
>>
>> Really, if LV put it there before he attacked the Potter's, how did he
>> not
>> notice the locket was not Slytherin's (the real Horcrux)?
>>
>> If R.A.B. put it there, why would R.A.B. & companion (since we know it
>> can't
>> be done alone) empty the bowl and steal the real Horcrux, replace it with
>> a
>> fake, write a note and refill the bowl with the same poisonous brew? How
>> did
>> R.A.B. know what the liquid was and did R.A.B. have a potions kit and
>> cauldron with them when they went into the cave and brew up the same
>> poisonous liquid?
>>
>> Why was the fake locket in the poisonous liquid in the cave at all?
>> If R.A.B. wanted LV to know the Horcrux was gone, why not just leave the
>> now
>> empty bowl empty? Why refill it with a fake locket and a note?
>>
>> Thoughts?

This goes back to the thread I just started a few hours ago [The Note in the
Locket].
That the note in itself is the Horcrux, and that LV realized that someone
managing to find it might believe it wasn't due to the context of the note
and fail to destroy it.

> LV believes that none knows about his secret. He didn't even say it to
> DE (Lucius Malfoy knew nothing about the exact nature of the diary).

I beg to differ, I think Lucius Malfoy knew EXACTLY what the diary was. DD
points out towards the end of HBP that the diary was as much a weapon as it
was a Horcrux, and that is now Lucious used it. As a weapon to strike back
at Harry, DD, the Weazly's, and any other non Pure-blood at Hogwarts.

> We
> don't know if LV visits the cave, I guess he would not lokk for the
> Horcrux unless he needs it. That's why the person(s) who stole the real
> hocrux made things the way they were.

There is no indication that once hidden that LV would ever need to find them
again. Just the fact they still exsisted to hold part of LV's soul seemed
to be enought.

>> (And if this HAS been discussed before and you're tired of seeing it,
>> move
>> alone)

To me that seems to be a sensible piece of advice, but there's always
someone that will state "we covered that already in a thread in May 2004"
and seem to lack the intelligence to skip a post that doesn't interest them.

Nuki Mouse
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Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #222966 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 03:02
John VanSickle  
RobMac wrote:
> I haven't seen this mentioned, so here's a question.
>
> So, R.A.B. stole the original Locket (and destroyed it?), why was the fake
> locket in the middle of the lake in the cave within a bowl of poisonous
> liquid?

Perhaps the Eldritch Birdbath of Evil refills itself, so that a person
can't drink a cup, wait until the effects wear off, drink another, wait,
etc.

> Really, if LV put it there before he attacked the Potter's, how did he not
> notice the locket was not Slytherin's (the real Horcrux)?

If LV put it there, then the whole deal (cave, birdbath, locket) are red
herrings designed to distract (and possibly destroy) anyone who
concluded that Voldemort has a Horcrux. Harry is now somewhat curious
about who RAB is; if the locket is a red herring, he will now devote
time and energy looking for someone who many not exist.

> If R.A.B. put it there, why would R.A.B. & companion (since we know it can't
> be done alone) empty the bowl and steal the real Horcrux, replace it with a
> fake, write a note and refill the bowl with the same poisonous brew?

The bowl may have refilled itself. The fake and the note were left to
tweak V's nose.

> How did
> R.A.B. know what the liquid was and did R.A.B. have a potions kit and
> cauldron with them when they went into the cave and brew up the same
> poisonous liquid?

Visit, get some potion, take it back to the lab, come back with a
countermeasure, mission accomplished.

> Why was the fake locket in the poisonous liquid in the cave at all?
> If R.A.B. wanted LV to know the Horcrux was gone, why not just leave the now
> empty bowl empty? Why refill it with a fake locket and a note?

Just to tweak V's nose.

Regards,
John
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #222989 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 08:14
Kami  
RobMac wrote:

> So, R.A.B. stole the original Locket (and destroyed it?), why was the fake
> locket in the middle of the lake in the cave within a bowl of poisonous
> liquid?

IMO, R.A.B. is Regulus Black, who during his stint as a DE, somehow
found out about the horcruxes and that Slytherin's locket was on of
them. I'd imagine that he was probably killed before he was able to
destroy Slytherin's locket though. I think the true horcrux is that
heavy locket that no one was able to open at 12 Grimmauld Place in
OOTP. I think that R.A.B. would have left the fake locket in the cave
for any one who sought to best LV (as well as LV) to find. To find the
locket, they would have to be looking for horcruxes and the last line
of the message "I face death in the hope that when you meet your match,
you will be mortal once more." would let them know that that horcrux
had been found. I would assume that the bowl refilled itself magically.
LV wouldn't want someone that had failed to drink all the potion (and
joined the Inferi) to have helped the next person seeking the horcrux
-- by only having to drink the remainder.

> Really, if LV put it there before he attacked the Potter's, how did he not
> notice the locket was not Slytherin's (the real Horcrux)?

Why would LV check the cave to verify that Slytherin's locket was still
there? He had selected a location to hide it in that was difficult to
access and used magic that would make the horcrux difficult to obtain,
I'm sure that LV figured that even if someone had gotten as far as the
potion that they wouldn't live long enough to remove it from the cave.
Why draw attention to the secret location when he knows that he horcrux
is so well protected there? And he had several others....

> If R.A.B. put it there, why would R.A.B. & companion (since we know it can't
> be done alone) empty the bowl and steal the real Horcrux, replace it with a
> fake, write a note and refill the bowl with the same poisonous brew? How did
> R.A.B. know what the liquid was and did R.A.B. have a potions kit and
> cauldron with them when they went into the cave and brew up the same
> poisonous liquid?

I doubt that R.A.B. refilled the bowl. If he had, I don't think that he
would've used the same brew.
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #222995 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 10:15
Toon  
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:57:30 -0500, "Nuki Mouse"
<Nuki_mouse [at] NoSpam.com> wrote:


>To me that seems to be a sensible piece of advice, but there's always
>someone that will state "we covered that already in a thread in May 2004"
>and seem to lack the intelligence to skip a post that doesn't interest them.
>
>Nuki Mouse

it's worse than that. Humans have what can only be considered an
obsessive compulsive need to click every link. even if they know the
author wrote something they won't like, they must click it and read
it. Then they get the nerve to be upset and complain, fully knowing
what to have expected when clicking. Even I find it an effort to
killfile someone who's annoying me.
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223003 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 10:39
Kami  
Nuki Mouse wrote:

> This goes back to the thread I just started a few hours ago [The Note in the
> Locket].
> That the note in itself is the Horcrux, and that LV realized that someone
> managing to find it might believe it wasn't due to the context of the note
> and fail to destroy it.
>
> > LV believes that none knows about his secret. He didn't even say it to
> > DE (Lucius Malfoy knew nothing about the exact nature of the diary).
>
> I beg to differ, I think Lucius Malfoy knew EXACTLY what the diary was. DD
> points out towards the end of HBP that the diary was as much a weapon as it
> was a Horcrux, and that is now Lucious used it. As a weapon to strike back
> at Harry, DD, the Weazly's, and any other non Pure-blood at Hogwarts.

No; Lucius only knew that the diary would cause the Chamber of Secrets
to reopen and that it would unleash Slytherin's monster. He had no
knowledge of the significance of the diary as a Horcrux. Lucius planted
the diary on Ginny in an attempt to discredit her father and get rid of
a highly incriminating magical object. The quote you're referring to
relates DD's opinion of the diary:
"What intrigued and alarmed me most was that that diary had been
intended as a weapon as much as a safeguard." (HBP pg. 500)

This only tells us that DD was concerned about the cavalier way that LV
was treating the diary. As Horcruxes are created to protect a piece of
one's soul, it alarmed him that LV was also using it as a weapon
instead of just protecting it because it implied that he had or
intended to make others. Although Lucius did use the diary as a weapon,
the following quote makes it clear his wasn't aware of its total value:
"Of course, Lucius did not know what the diary really was...Had
Lucius known he held a portion of his master's soul in his hands, he
would undoubtedly have treated it with more reverence -- but instead he
went ahead and carried out his plan for his own ends...." (HBP pg. 508)
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223016 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 14:42
Nuki Mouse  
"Kami" <Slytherin-witch [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140255542.391488.312610 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
> No; Lucius only knew that the diary would cause the Chamber of Secrets
> to reopen and that it would unleash Slytherin's monster. He had no
> knowledge of the significance of the diary as a Horcrux. Lucius planted
> the diary on Ginny in an attempt to discredit her father and get rid of
> a highly incriminating magical object. The quote you're referring to
> relates DD's opinion of the diary:
> "What intrigued and alarmed me most was that that diary had been
> intended as a weapon as much as a safeguard." (HBP pg. 500)
>
> This only tells us that DD was concerned about the cavalier way that LV
> was treating the diary. As Horcruxes are created to protect a piece of
> one's soul, it alarmed him that LV was also using it as a weapon
> instead of just protecting it because it implied that he had or
> intended to make others.

Which is what I meant, that the diary was more a weapon to LV then a Horcrux
to be protected, and Lucius KNEW it was a weapon and how to use it as such.
Of course Lucius did not know it was also a Horcrux or he would never had
used it the way he did.

> Although Lucius did use the diary as a weapon,
> the following quote makes it clear his wasn't aware of its total value:
> "Of course, Lucius did not know what the diary really was...Had
> Lucius known he held a portion of his master's soul in his hands, he
> would undoubtedly have treated it with more reverence -- but instead he
> went ahead and carried out his plan for his own ends...." (HBP pg. 508)

By using the diary as it was meant to be used, as a weapon to strike back at
Half-bloods, Muggle-born, and Blood-traitors at Hogwarts. Lucius might have
chouse the time and victim, but LV still made the diary as a weapon which is
what Lucius knew it as and used it as.

Nuki Mouse
--
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your right to say it," S. Tallentyre, summarizing Voltaire's views.
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223095 ] So, 19 Februar 2006 13:25
Kami  
Nuki Mouse wrote:

> Which is what I meant, that the diary was more a weapon to LV then a Horcrux
> to be protected, and Lucius KNEW it was a weapon and how to use it as such.
> Of course Lucius did not know it was also a Horcrux or he would never had
> used it the way he did.

Okay, but what you meant and what you said are two different things. It
had been stated that (Lucius Malfoy knew nothing about the exact nature
of the diary) and you replied with

> I beg to differ, I think Lucius Malfoy knew EXACTLY what the diary was.

For Lucius to have known EXACTLY what the diary was, it would mean that
he knew that it was both a weapon and a Horcrux. And as HP fans know,
Lucius only knew half of its true purpose, which was as a weapon. And
unknowingly neglected the second purpose, as a Horcrux.


> By using the diary as it was meant to be used, as a weapon to strike back at
> Half-bloods, Muggle-born, and Blood-traitors at Hogwarts. Lucius might have
> chouse the time and victim, but LV still made the diary as a weapon which is
> what Lucius knew it as and used it as.

Without knowing that the Diary was a Horcrux when he used it as a
weapon, Lucius DIDN'T exactly "use the diary as it was meant to be
used." Remember, LV ALSO meant it to be used as a Horcrux to safeguard
that piece of his soul. Using it as a weapon risked its destruction,
which did happen. Which goes back to the problem of him not knowing the
EXACT nature of the Diary....
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223517 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 09:49
friesian  
Toon wrote:

> it's worse than that. Humans have what can only be considered an
> obsessive compulsive need to click every link. even if they know the
> author wrote something they won't like, they must click it and read
> it. Then they get the nerve to be upset and complain, fully knowing
> what to have expected when clicking. Even I find it an effort to
> killfile someone who's annoying me.

To me, the only annoying part is the assumption that it hasn't been
brought up before. The book came out 7 months ago. Of course, we had
huge discussions about the book when it was first released.

I don't mind returning to various topics as we tend to add to them and
find new ideas and viewpoints. But for somebody to find the newsgroup 7
months after a book is released and then just assume we are all so
stupid as to not think of something like this (when they failed to do
any searching), is just arrogant and ignorant.

They should either do a search before making the claim, or just leave
off the claim and ask about the topic. No need to pretend they were the
first to come up with the idea.
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223531 ] Do, 23 Februar 2006 13:48
RobMac  
<friesian [at] zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
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>
> To me, the only annoying part is the assumption that it hasn't been
> brought up before. The book came out 7 months ago. Of course, we had
> huge discussions about the book when it was first released.
>
> I don't mind returning to various topics as we tend to add to them and
> find new ideas and viewpoints. But for somebody to find the newsgroup 7
> months after a book is released and then just assume we are all so
> stupid as to not think of something like this (when they failed to do
> any searching), is just arrogant and ignorant.
>
> They should either do a search before making the claim, or just leave
> off the claim and ask about the topic. No need to pretend they were the
> first to come up with the idea.
>

I have been on this NG for ages now and was around for the round of
discussions once Book 6 came out, and have seen/read many of the threads
regarding the Locket, and have not seen this thought expressed (yes, I even
searched first) so I thought I'd post.

So, that being the case, 1) grow up and stop wasting keystrokes complaining
that you think you're being called "stupid as to not think of something like
this" (since someone who doesn't live in your brain can't know what you
thought in the privacy of your own brain), and 2) if you remember this
thread being discussed before why don't you show us where it is now so as
not to waste any more of your precious time ??? (It's certainly not on my
server any more)



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Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223597 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 03:20
richard e white  
Kami wrote:

> Nuki Mouse wrote:
>
> > This goes back to the thread I just started a few hours ago [The Note in the
> > Locket].
> > That the note in itself is the Horcrux, and that LV realized that someone
> > managing to find it might believe it wasn't due to the context of the note
> > and fail to destroy it.

Intresting thought. And Harry does hang on to it the same way he did to the
diery. The only problum with this idea is the size and shape. But with magic it
could be hidden by magic so it does not look like Slithering's one with the snake
on it. I would have to say it is as likely as the one in number 12. How ever why
do you think V used RAB then?

>
> > > LV believes that none knows about his secret. He didn't even say it to
> > > DE (Lucius Malfoy knew nothing about the exact nature of the diary).

I don't see what that has to do with the locket one way or the other.

>
> > I beg to differ, I think Lucius Malfoy knew EXACTLY what the diary was. DD
> > points out towards the end of HBP that the diary was as much a weapon as it
> > was a Horcrux, and that is now Lucious used it. As a weapon to strike back
> > at Harry, DD, the Weazly's, and any other non Pure-blood at Hogwarts.
>
> No; Lucius only knew that the diary would cause the Chamber of Secrets
> to reopen and that it would unleash Slytherin's monster. He had no
> knowledge of the significance of the diary as a Horcrux. Lucius planted
> the diary on Ginny in an attempt to discredit her father and get rid of
> a highly incriminating magical object. The quote you're referring to
> relates DD's opinion of the diary:
> "What intrigued and alarmed me most was that that diary had been
> intended as a weapon as much as a safeguard." (HBP pg. 500)
>
> This only tells us that DD was concerned about the cavalier way that LV
> was treating the diary. As Horcruxes are created to protect a piece of
> one's soul, it alarmed him that LV was also using it as a weapon
> instead of just protecting it because it implied that he had or
> intended to make others. Although Lucius did use the diary as a weapon,
> the following quote makes it clear his wasn't aware of its total value:
> "Of course, Lucius did not know what the diary really was...Had
> Lucius known he held a portion of his master's soul in his hands, he
> would undoubtedly have treated it with more reverence -- but instead he
> went ahead and carried out his plan for his own ends...." (HBP pg. 508)

Well that is all on the butten.




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Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223599 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 03:32
drusilla  
richard e white escribió:
> Kami wrote:
>
>> Nuki Mouse wrote:
>>
>>> This goes back to the thread I just started a few hours ago [The Note in the
>>> Locket].
>>> That the note in itself is the Horcrux, and that LV realized that someone
>>> managing to find it might believe it wasn't due to the context of the note
>>> and fail to destroy it.
>
> Intresting thought. And Harry does hang on to it the same way he did to the
> diery. The only problum with this idea is the size and shape. But with magic it
> could be hidden by magic so it does not look like Slithering's one with the snake
> on it. I would have to say it is as likely as the one in number 12. How ever why
> do you think V used RAB then?
>
>>>> LV believes that none knows about his secret. He didn't even say it to
>>>> DE (Lucius Malfoy knew nothing about the exact nature of the diary).
>
> I don't see what that has to do with the locket one way or the other.
>
>>> I beg to differ, I think Lucius Malfoy knew EXACTLY what the diary was. DD
>>> points out towards the end of HBP that the diary was as much a weapon as it
>>> was a Horcrux, and that is now Lucious used it. As a weapon to strike back
>>> at Harry, DD, the Weazly's, and any other non Pure-blood at Hogwarts.
>> No; Lucius only knew that the diary would cause the Chamber of Secrets
>> to reopen and that it would unleash Slytherin's monster. He had no
>> knowledge of the significance of the diary as a Horcrux. Lucius planted
>> the diary on Ginny in an attempt to discredit her father and get rid of
>> a highly incriminating magical object. The quote you're referring to
>> relates DD's opinion of the diary:
>> "What intrigued and alarmed me most was that that diary had been
>> intended as a weapon as much as a safeguard." (HBP pg. 500)
>>
>> This only tells us that DD was concerned about the cavalier way that LV
>> was treating the diary. As Horcruxes are created to protect a piece of
>> one's soul, it alarmed him that LV was also using it as a weapon
>> instead of just protecting it because it implied that he had or
>> intended to make others. Although Lucius did use the diary as a weapon,
>> the following quote makes it clear his wasn't aware of its total value:
>> "Of course, Lucius did not know what the diary really was...Had
>> Lucius known he held a portion of his master's soul in his hands, he
>> would undoubtedly have treated it with more reverence -- but instead he
>> went ahead and carried out his plan for his own ends...." (HBP pg. 508)
>
> Well that is all on the butten.
>

Something about the diary:
Indeed, is a horcrux but do we know when it was made a Horcrux or people
only assumed that it was Myrtle's dead what turned it into a Horcrux
back in the 30's?. Because the diary could have intended to be a weapon
since the beginning and later - 60's or 70's, a Horcrux. The diary was
valuable to LV's: it registered that he was Slytherin's heir - honestly
I don't know how, but.. - so, that's why he keep it all the time.
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223636 ] Fr, 24 Februar 2006 10:59
Toon  
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:20:51 -0800, richard e white <chiphead [at] cox.net>
wrote:

>Intresting thought. And Harry does hang on to it the same way he did to the
>diery. The only problum with this idea is the size and shape. But with magic it
>could be hidden by magic so it does not look like Slithering's one with the snake
>on it. I would have to say it is as likely as the one in number 12. How ever why
>do you think V used RAB then?

I think Harry needs to speak parseltongue to it, then the S will
appear. The ultimate hiding device. No S, not Slyhterin's locket.
next.
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #223743 ] Sa, 25 Februar 2006 05:21
Zolak of Twylo  
On 2006-02-23 03:49:01 -0500, friesian [at] zoocrewphoto.com said:

>
> Toon wrote:
>
>> it's worse than that. Humans have what can only be considered an
>> obsessive compulsive need to click every link. even if they know the
>> author wrote something they won't like, they must click it and read
>> it. Then they get the nerve to be upset and complain, fully knowing
>> what to have expected when clicking. Even I find it an effort to
>> killfile someone who's annoying me.
>
> To me, the only annoying part is the assumption that it hasn't been
> brought up before. The book came out 7 months ago. Of course, we had
> huge discussions about the book when it was first released.
>
> I don't mind returning to various topics as we tend to add to them and
> find new ideas and viewpoints. But for somebody to find the newsgroup 7
> months after a book is released and then just assume we are all so
> stupid as to not think of something like this (when they failed to do
> any searching), is just arrogant and ignorant.
>
> They should either do a search before making the claim, or just leave
> off the claim and ask about the topic. No need to pretend they were the
> first to come up with the idea.


My, what a horribly condescending post. Not a very good way of welcoming
new readers.

--
Enjoy,

Zolak of Twylo
deatheaters [message #223775 ] Sa, 25 Februar 2006 10:38
Toot  
Hi
Just wondering if the death eaters know about the horcrux's .
Did Voldimort tell his followers about this secret subject.
Did Voldimort tell Malfoy some how about the diary, or did he tell him to
put
the book in a certain place and nothing else.
Voldimort was overseas very weak at the time of the second book, surely
he would not have left orders with Malfoy earlier.
I wonder if Malfoy knew what he was holding in that diary at the time in the
second book..
I was wondering about this, if the deatheaters don't know it's a sign
that Voldimort does not trust his followers.
I should imagine they do what they are told or face certain death.
I don't recall reading anything about this do you.
Toot
Re: deatheaters [message #223808 ] Sa, 25 Februar 2006 16:32
Ken  
Toot wrote:
> Hi
> Just wondering if the death eaters know about the horcrux's .
> Did Voldimort tell his followers about this secret subject.
> Did Voldimort tell Malfoy some how about the diary, or did he tell
> him to put
> the book in a certain place and nothing else.
> Voldimort was overseas very weak at the time of the second book,
> surely he would not have left orders with Malfoy earlier.
> I wonder if Malfoy knew what he was holding in that diary at the time
> in the second book..
> I was wondering about this, if the deatheaters don't know it's a sign
> that Voldimort does not trust his followers.
> I should imagine they do what they are told or face certain death.
> I don't recall reading anything about this do you.
> Toot

LM did not know that the diary was a Horcrux even though he was given charge
of it. I doubt if any of the followers knew of the Horcruxes. [this would
also explain why few DE looked for LV].

Ken

From book 6 chapter 23
A very interesting question, Harry. I believe not. I believe that Voldemort
is now so immersed in evil, and these crucial parts of himself have been
detached for so long, he does not feel as we do. Perhaps, at the point of
death, he might be aware of his loss. but he was not aware, for instance,
that the diary had been destroyed until he forced the truth out of Lucius
Malfoy. When Voldemort discovered that the diary had been mutilated and
robbed of all its powers, I am told that his anger was terrible to behold.

But I thought he meant Lucius Malfoy to smuggle it into Hogwarts?

Yes he did, years ago, when he was sure he would be able to create more
Horcruxes, but still Lucius was supposed to wait for Voldemort's say-so, and
he never received it, for Voldemort vanished shortly after giving him the
diary. No doubt he thought that Lucius would not dare do anything with the
Horcrux other than guard it carefully, but he was counting too much upon
Lucius's fear of a master who had been gone for years and whom Lucius
believed dead. Of course, ***Lucius did not know what the diary really
was.*** I understand that Voldemort had told him the diary would cause the
Chamber of Secrets to reopen, because it was cleverly enchanted. Had Lucius
known he held a portion of his master's soul in his hands he would
undoubtedly have treated it with more reverence - but instead he went ahead
and carried out the old plan for his own ends: by planting the diary upon
Arthur Weasley's daughter, he hoped to discredit Arthur, have me thrown out
of Hogwarts and get rid of a highly incriminating object in one stroke. Ah,
poor Lucius. what with Voldemort's fury about the fact that he threw away
the Horcrux for his own gain, and the fiasco at the Ministry last year, I
would not be surprised if he is secretly glad to be safe in Azkaban at the
moment.



*** stars added ***
Re: Another view of The Locket in the cave [message #230725 ] Sa, 04 März 2006 10:29
friesian  
RobMac wrote:


> So, that being the case, 1) grow up and stop wasting keystrokes complaining
> that you think you're being called "stupid as to not think of something like
> this" (since someone who doesn't live in your brain can't know what you
> thought in the privacy of your own brain), and 2) if you remember this
> thread being discussed before why don't you show us where it is now so as
> not to waste any more of your precious time ??? (It's certainly not on my
> server any more)
>

There were tons of posts discussing why somebody would replace the
locket, why Voldemort want to retrieve the locket, etc. You may not
have found the exact key words, but there were plenty of discussions on
the topic of the locket and why it was replaced.

Now, if you read my post, you saw that I didn't object to the topic
being discussed, only your announcement that you were the first person
to bring up this idea.

You said you have been her for ages. Don't you get tired of people
announcing at the beginning of their post that they have a brand new
idea, never discussed before, and then you read the post, and it is the
same stuff we have been discussing for months?

It gets annoying after awhile. That's all. I love rehashing old ideas.
i just wish most new people would read the group for awhile and not
assume they are the first person to bring up an idea just because it
wasn't posted in the last 2 weeks.

It seems like every newbie either thinks they have a brand new idea
(that isn't), thinks the newsgroup is a chat room or board, or they
talk like every character costs them (text messaging).

I'm sorry if this was seen as a personal attack. It is one post, being
discussed, that was a prime example of the frustration i have with my
once favorite group. Too many people joining from webtv and google, and
not bothering to learn what a newsgroup is and how to fit in.
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