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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!!
Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218484] Fr, 10 Februar 2006 04:53
Robinsons  
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/329/7480/1435?ma xtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fullt ext=gollum&searchid=1103349387213_18575&stored_searc h=&FIRSTINDEX=0&volume=329&issue=7480

(wraparound URL, sorry!)

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BMJ 2004;329:1435-1436 (18 December), doi:10.1136/bmj.329.7480.1435

Taking a leaf out of an old book: A precious case from Middle Earth

(Bashir et al. 329 (7480): 1435 -- BMJ)

Principal Authors: Nadia Bashir[1], Nadia Ahmed[1], Anushka Singh[1],
Yen Zhi Tang[1], Maria Young[1], Amina Abba[1], Elizabeth L. Sampson,
lecturer in old age psychiatry[1]

1 Department of Mental Health Sciences, Royal Free and University College
Medical School, London NW3 2PF

Tolkien's character Gollum is certainly disturbed, but is he
physically or mentally ill? Gandalf the Wizard provides the
history.

Sméagol (Gollum) is a single, 587 year old, hobbit-like male of no
fixed abode. He has presented with antisocial behaviour, increasing
aggression, and preoccupation with the "one ring."

<fair use snip>

Be sure and click on Responses to read the Peer Review
of this case study HERE:

Rapid Responses

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7480/1435

"More Forensics"
"Discussion of diet should include the possibility of food allergy or intolerance"
"Can't it be physiological?"
"Ring or Other Addiction, NOS"
"Ring of Power as TCM Pathogenic Factor"
"No organic cause for Gollum's behavior"
"Forgetting Infectious Disease?"
"Diet of a carnivore"
"OCD?"
"More differentials"
"DSM V"
"Possibility of radiation poisoning"
"A traditional chinese medical diagnosis"
"Not hobbit! hobbit like."
"Breach of Confidentiality"
"Development of poor clinical hobbits"
"We hates psychiatristssss!"
"What about psychopathy?"
"Gollum and Applied Behavior Analysis"

---------

I saw this on Wikipedia. Wiki also said the Broadway
version of Lord of the Rings just began production in
Toronto. Any reports? Or is it gadawful? ;-)
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218485 ] Fr, 10 Februar 2006 06:24
Sean  
Where's their evidence that the Gollum persona was only 25 years old
when Bilbo found the Ring?

Sean Q
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218494 ] Fr, 10 Februar 2006 16:31
Robinsons  
Sean wrote:
>
> Where's their evidence that the Gollum persona was only 25 years old
> when Bilbo found the Ring?
>
> Sean Q

Peer Reviewer in the Response section pointed out that this
was an unverified claim.

Some Forensic evidence not mentioned in the article:

** Apparent Food Allergy to "elvish" products. Anaphylaxis?

** Severe Agoraphobia predating the Ring possession by several years,
leading Gollum to seek out confined spaces and avoid people.
Social Anxiety Disorder?

** Linguistic expert (Noam Chomsky?) needed to consult the possibility
that Gollum's so-called "primitive" tribal matriarchal culture had
a naturally different way of speaking than other (patriarchal) hobbit
clans, reinforcing a different worldview in which concepts alien to
the western mind (plural vowels, etc.) are perfectly understandable.

Eg. "we wants it". Some lingusts and social sciences experts believe
the Aztec lived in a culture in which complete subjectivity was the
norm, individuals were incapable of distinguishing their own
thoughts from intrusions thought to be "the will of the Gods" and
that this is a universal pre-literate phenomenon.

Perhaps Gollum was a linguistic artifact who had not yet learned the
art of self-awareness due to his language and upbringing, hence, the
constant pluralization and talking to himself. Perhaps Gollum was
percieved to be "the source" of all these intrusive thoughts (failing
to identify as such.)

** The Ring apparently intensifies negative personality traits,
or traits that "society" considers negative (domination, etc.)
Could the Ring be a psycho-somatic visualization technique imposed on a
harmless gold object in a repressive medieval society beset with guilt?

;-)
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218498 ] Fr, 10 Februar 2006 18:21
Derek Broughton  
Robinsons wrote:

> Some Forensic evidence not mentioned in the article:
>
> ** Apparent Food Allergy to "elvish" products. Anaphylaxis?

I didn't even see any signs of hives - but that could just be another way in
which the films failed to be faithful to the books.

> ** Severe Agoraphobia predating the Ring possession by several years,
> leading Gollum to seek out confined spaces and avoid people.
> Social Anxiety Disorder?

Surely not "predating"? iirc, he was given to avoiding people before the
Ring came into his possession, but when the Ring was discovered he was
actually fishing on a large river. That's hardly agoraphobic.
--
derek
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218500 ] Fr, 10 Februar 2006 22:46
Henriette  
Robinsons schreef:
>
> ** Apparent Food Allergy to "elvish" products. Anaphylaxis?
(snip most of post)
>
> Eg. "we wants it". Some lingusts and social sciences experts believe
> the Aztec lived in a culture in which complete subjectivity was the
> norm, individuals were incapable of distinguishing their own
> thoughts from intrusions thought to be "the will of the Gods" and
> that this is a universal pre-literate phenomenon.
(snip)
>
This is all very funny!

What I still miss in this long list is an unravelling of Gollum's
obvious schizophrenia;-)

Henriette
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218503 ] Sa, 11 Februar 2006 00:13
Taemon  
Henriette wrote:

> What I still miss in this long list is an unravelling of Gollum's
> obvious schizophrenia;-)

My lady,

Schizophrenia has nothing to do with split personalities.

Your humble servant,

T.
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218506 ] Sa, 11 Februar 2006 01:11
Robinsons  
Henriette wrote:

> Robinsons schreef:
> >
> > ** Apparent Food Allergy to "elvish" products. Anaphylaxis?
> (snip most of post)
> >
> > Eg. "we wants it". Some lingusts and social sciences experts believe
> > the Aztec lived in a culture in which complete subjectivity was the
> > norm, individuals were incapable of distinguishing their own
> > thoughts from intrusions thought to be "the will of the Gods" and
> > that this is a universal pre-literate phenomenon.
> (snip)
> >
> This is all very funny!
>
> What I still miss in this long list is an unravelling of Gollum's
> obvious schizophrenia;-)

The researchers ruled out schizophrenia and decided Gollum has
"schizoid personality disorder." However, most of the reviews
in the comments section disagree with that analysis:

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7480/1435

:-)

Perhaps Gollum was mentally retarded? ;-)
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218507 ] Sa, 11 Februar 2006 01:17
Robinsons  
Derek Broughton wrote:
>
> Robinsons wrote:
>
> > Some Forensic evidence not mentioned in the article:
> >
> > ** Apparent Food Allergy to "elvish" products. Anaphylaxis?
>
> I didn't even see any signs of hives - but that could just be another way in
> which the films failed to be faithful to the books.


Hives, too. Gollum hated bees. Nassty nassty bees, they sting poor Smeagol so!


> > ** Severe Agoraphobia predating the Ring possession by several years,
> > leading Gollum to seek out confined spaces and avoid people.
> > Social Anxiety Disorder?
>
> Surely not "predating"? iirc, he was given to avoiding people before the
> Ring came into his possession, but when the Ring was discovered he was
> actually fishing on a large river. That's hardly agoraphobic.

Do we know it was a "large river"? And besides, we don't know his state
of mind. Perhaps he was driven into a homicidal rage by anxiety induced
by fear of un-enclosed spaces!

I could get 2 experts on the witness stand...

Also, Gollum undoubtedly has an eye disorder producing an inability to focus,
possibly resulting in ADD-like symptoms like an inability to take tests
(cited by the elves of Mirkwood), etc. Note how his pupils keep dilating and
contracting in the film.

--BER
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218516 ] Sa, 11 Februar 2006 09:43
Henriette  
Robinsons schreef:

> Perhaps Gollum was mentally retarded? ;-)

Mr Chiu puts it this way:

'If Gollum went to see a traditional chinese medicine (TCM) doctor, he
would have been diagnosed to suffer from Kidney-Yin deficiency with
secondary and relative Liver-Yang excess.' It may be the same as
'mentally retarded', but it sounds a lot better!

Henriette
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218517 ] Sa, 11 Februar 2006 09:52
Henriette  
Taemon schreef:
>
> My lady,
>
> Schizophrenia has nothing to do with split personalities.
>
> Your humble servant,
>
Humble servant, although you were not asked for your opinion but gave
it nevertheless, you will not have your afternoon off this month. That
having been said, you have a point there and what's more: you are
right! That being the case, you can also forget your afternoon off for
the next month!

Do you also happen to have an opinion about Gollum's avoidance of
lembas bread being 'caused by a "low-carb" craze'?

Lady H.
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218520 ] Sa, 11 Februar 2006 15:47
Yuk Tang  
"Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1139647968.731463.233840 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
> Do you also happen to have an opinion about Gollum's avoidance of
> lembas bread being 'caused by a "low-carb" craze'?

The fastidious eater just didn't like processed foods, as could be seen
by his dislike of cooked taters and conies. He preferred a clean,
healthy diet, unlike the junk food-loving hobbits and elves.


--
Cheers, ymt.
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218525 ] Sa, 11 Februar 2006 21:33
Robinsons  
Yuk Tang wrote:

> "Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1139647968.731463.233840 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > Do you also happen to have an opinion about Gollum's avoidance of
> > lembas bread being 'caused by a "low-carb" craze'?
>
> The fastidious eater just didn't like processed foods, as could be seen
> by his dislike of cooked taters and conies. He preferred a clean,
> healthy diet, unlike the junk food-loving hobbits and elves.

There is an Afrocentric restaurant near Howard university that
specializes in serving raw (uncooked) foods only. Perhaps Gollum
was from a similar culinary tradition?

Perhaps the "river folk" broke away from other hobbits due to their
macrobiotic diet and health food requirements necessitating staying
close to Mother Earth, which would also explain Gollum's fondness
for digging.

This is backed up by evidence that Sharkey closed the Shire's sole
remaining health-food co-op when he acquired development rights to
the Shire in 3018. Clearly Smeagol wanted no part of that bad scene.
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218526 ] Sa, 11 Februar 2006 21:41
Robinsons  
Henriette wrote:

> Robinsons schreef:
>
> > Perhaps Gollum was mentally retarded? ;-)
>
> Mr Chiu puts it this way:
>
> 'If Gollum went to see a traditional chinese medicine (TCM) doctor, he
> would have been diagnosed to suffer from Kidney-Yin deficiency with
> secondary and relative Liver-Yang excess.' It may be the same as
> 'mentally retarded', but it sounds a lot better!

Still, the facial deformity suggests a previously unrecorded congenital
illness, perhaps akin to a mild form of Down's Syndrome, which would also
explain the difference in life expectancy between Gollum and other hobbits.

The "adverse affects of the Ring" cited by Dr. Gandalf are merely an
example of correlation without causation. The alleged "life-prolonging
effects of the Ring", which Dr. Gandalf and other "alternative jewelry experts"
claim explains the patient's differential life expectancy, has in fact
never been repeated or shown to exist beyond the bounds of natural
life expectancy in other mortals.

Conveniently, the Ring no longer is available for clinical study,
having been consumed in the course of the previous study on the
patient in question.
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218561 ] So, 12 Februar 2006 08:05
Henriette  
Yuk Tang schreef:

> "Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1139647968.731463.233840 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > Do you also happen to have an opinion about Gollum's avoidance of
> > lembas bread being 'caused by a "low-carb" craze'?
>
> The fastidious eater just didn't like processed foods, as could be seen
> by his dislike of cooked taters and conies.

Agreed.

> He preferred a clean,
> healthy diet, unlike the junk food-loving hobbits and elves.

In that case he must have loathed eating the occasional orc that came
his way when he lived under the mountain...

Henriette



..
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218562 ] So, 12 Februar 2006 08:21
Henriette  
Robinsons schreef:

> Still, the facial deformity suggests a previously unrecorded congenital
> illness, perhaps akin to a mild form of Down's Syndrome, which would also
> explain the difference in life expectancy between Gollum and other hobbits.
>
> The "adverse affects of the Ring" cited by Dr. Gandalf are merely an
> example of correlation without causation. The alleged "life-prolonging
> effects of the Ring", which Dr. Gandalf and other "alternative jewelry experts"
> claim explains the patient's differential life expectancy, has in fact
> never been repeated or shown to exist beyond the bounds of natural
> life expectancy in other mortals.
>
> Conveniently, the Ring no longer is available for clinical study,
> having been consumed in the course of the previous study on the
> patient in question.

To me a positive and very unexpected outcome of the studies is that
despite all the suffering from his many diseases, Gollum never gave up
hope to be able to start a career in education, as is very movingly
expressed in the phrase "we'll teach them...".

Henriette
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218570 ] So, 12 Februar 2006 12:50
Taemon  
Henriette wrote:

> Taemon schreef:
>> My lady,
>> Schizophrenia has nothing to do with split personalities.
>> Your humble servant,
> Humble servant, although you were not asked for your opinion but
> gave it nevertheless, you will not have your afternoon off this
> month.

My lady, why would I want to have my afternoon off when I can be your
humble servant? You know that I would spent if fawning over you
anyway.

> That having been said, you have a point there and what's
> more: you are right! That being the case, you can also forget
> your afternoon off for the next month!

Thank you! Thank you!

> Do you also happen to have an opinion about Gollum's avoidance of
> lembas bread being 'caused by a "low-carb" craze'?

Actually, it surprised me a bit, since lembas is certainly
scrumtiously crunchable. I came to the tentative conclusion that it
isn't the carbs that put him off, but the fact that it is processed.
Gollum is clearly a raw-foodist and to such people, lembas would play
havoc with their intestines, wouldn't it?

T.
Gollum's Kids Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #218593 ] So, 12 Februar 2006 19:38
Robinsons  
Henriette wrote:

> To me a positive and very unexpected outcome of the studies is that
> despite all the suffering from his many diseases, Gollum never gave up
> hope to be able to start a career in education, as is very movingly
> expressed in the phrase "we'll teach them...".

That's why I donate 50 silver pieces to Gollum's Kids
every time I visit the grocery store.

Such an inspiring foundation! They do good work.

Also, the revelation that Gollum was gay and had AIDS, was
quite a shock. I guess his deeply felt cross-cultural
relationship with Frodo makes sense now. Plus the sarcoma.

"I just don't know how to quit you, Masster!"

"You didn' go to Mount Doom to destroy no ring, Sam! Ah tied
a note to that ring and it was the same as I left it, Ah tell you!"

"It don't -- that don't mean nothing, Rosie!"

--Brokering Mountain ;-)

--BER
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224374 ] Mo, 13 Februar 2006 15:37
Derek Broughton  
Robinsons wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>
>> Robinsons wrote:
>>
>> > ** Severe Agoraphobia predating the Ring possession by several years,
>> > leading Gollum to seek out confined spaces and avoid people.
>> > Social Anxiety Disorder?
>>
>> Surely not "predating"? iirc, he was given to avoiding people before the
>> Ring came into his possession, but when the Ring was discovered he was
>> actually fishing on a large river. That's hardly agoraphobic.
>
> Do we know it was a "large river"?

Oh, dear. I'm just not too good at this scientific investigation business.
I guess we only had Gandalf's word for that, and no other corroboration.
--
derek
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224381 ] Mo, 13 Februar 2006 19:46
Robinsons  
Derek Broughton wrote:

> Robinsons wrote:
>
> > Derek Broughton wrote:
> >>
> >> Robinsons wrote:
> >>
> >> > ** Severe Agoraphobia predating the Ring possession by several years,
> >> > leading Gollum to seek out confined spaces and avoid people.
> >> > Social Anxiety Disorder?
> >>
> >> Surely not "predating"? iirc, he was given to avoiding people before the
> >> Ring came into his possession, but when the Ring was discovered he was
> >> actually fishing on a large river. That's hardly agoraphobic.
> >
> > Do we know it was a "large river"?
>
> Oh, dear. I'm just not too good at this scientific investigation business.
> I guess we only had Gandalf's word for that, and no other corroboration.

It could have been a tributary.

It was a marshland, after all.

Or maybe a bird picked the ring up and dropped it.

"A bird?! What kind of bird?"

Um, a - a sparrow.

"A sparrow? Don't be ridiculous! They're not migratory!"

It could have been an African sparrow.

"At this time of year!?"

--Brian ;-)
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224427 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 06:55
Henriette  
Taemon schreef:

> Henriette wrote:
>
> > Do you also happen to have an opinion about Gollum's avoidance of
> > lembas bread being 'caused by a "low-carb" craze'?
>
> Actually, it surprised me a bit, since lembas is certainly
> scrumtiously crunchable. I came to the tentative conclusion that it
> isn't the carbs that put him off, but the fact that it is processed.
> Gollum is clearly a raw-foodist and to such people, lembas would play
> havoc with their intestines, wouldn't it?
>
Yes, but the question is why he was a raw-foodist. Rumour has it he was
quite proud of his thin limbs, hence the low-carb craze. He could walk
a fashion show any time!

H.

PS Are you aware English uses much less comma's than we do? Actually I
have no idea about the rules so I just skip as many as possible;-)
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224428 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 07:07
Robinsons  
Henriette wrote:

> Taemon schreef:

> > Actually, it surprised me a bit, since lembas is certainly
> > scrumtiously crunchable. I came to the tentative conclusion that it
> > isn't the carbs that put him off, but the fact that it is processed.
> > Gollum is clearly a raw-foodist and to such people, lembas would play
> > havoc with their intestines, wouldn't it?
> >
> Yes, but the question is why he was a raw-foodist. Rumour has it he was
> quite proud of his thin limbs, hence the low-carb craze. He could walk
> a fashion show any time!

Does Gollum suffer from Bulimia like many anorexics? ;-)
Re: Gollum's Kids Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224429 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 07:06
Henriette  
Robinsons schreef:

> Henriette wrote:
>
> > To me a positive and very unexpected outcome of the studies is that
> > despite all the suffering from his many diseases, Gollum never gave up
> > hope to be able to start a career in education, as is very movingly
> > expressed in the phrase "we'll teach them...".
>
> That's why I donate 50 silver pieces to Gollum's Kids
> every time I visit the grocery store.
>
> Such an inspiring foundation! They do good work.
>
> Also, the revelation that Gollum was gay and had AIDS, was
> quite a shock.(snip)

Sir, I am not convinced of the reliability of your source-material, so
you may postpone your state of shock until futher investigations have
been carried out.

Has the Gollum's Kids Foundation picked up the educational work that
Gollum unfortunately never got round to doing?

Henriette
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224435 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 12:14
Taemon  
Henriette wrote:

> Taemon schreef:
>> Henriette wrote:
>>> Do you also happen to have an opinion about Gollum's avoidance
>>> of lembas bread being 'caused by a "low-carb" craze'?
>> Actually, it surprised me a bit, since lembas is certainly
>> scrumptiously crunchable. I came to the tentative conclusion that
>> it isn't the carbs that put him off, but the fact that it is
>> processed. Gollum is clearly a raw-foodist and to such people,
>> lembas would play havoc with their intestines, wouldn't it?
> Yes, but the question is why he was a raw-foodist. Rumour has it
> he was quite proud of his thin limbs, hence the low-carb craze.

He certainly had a distorted self-image.

> He could walk a fashion show any time!

But maybe not THAT distorted.

> PS Are you aware English uses much less comma's than we do?
> Actually I have no idea about the rules so I just skip as many as
> possible;-)

I do that in Dutch, too :-)

T.
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224440 ] Mi, 15 Februar 2006 15:06
Derek Broughton  
Taemon wrote:

> Henriette wrote:
>
>> PS Are you aware English uses much less comma's than we do?

"fewer" not "less" (sorry). I'm afraid you've been learning your English
from less than reliable sources. Oh dear.

>> Actually I have no idea about the rules so I just skip as many as
>> possible;-)
>
> I do that in Dutch, too :-)

Most English writers are no better at it. The rules on commas have
slackened considerably in recent years, but Tolkien was well known to skip
commas he should have used.

English uses them for parenthetical expressions (ie, things that could have
been put in parentheses, like this) and lists (where some commas are often
dropped) and to separate (some) clauses (+ a few other things).

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/commas.htm gives 10 rules. I would
guess you can easily ignore #1 (comma before the last element in a series),
#2 (most of the time), #5 sometimes, #6 (I didn't even know about that
one!) and #7 without most people noticing, and #4 might be done (properly)
with other punctuation.
--
derek
Re: Gollum's Kids Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224464 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 23:29
Robinsons  
Henriette wrote:

> Robinsons schreef:

> > That's why I donate 50 silver pieces to Gollum's Kids
> > every time I visit the grocery store.
> >
> > Such an inspiring foundation! They do good work.
> >
> > Also, the revelation that Gollum was gay and had AIDS, was
> > quite a shock.(snip)
>
> Sir, I am not convinced of the reliability of your source-material, so
> you may postpone your state of shock until futher investigations have
> been carried out.

It is unfortunate that there is still a stigma in some cultures
directed against individuals with AIDS and other auto-immune
diseases, thereby explaining Gollum's life of misfortune and exile.

Actually, depending on where he was living, AIDS is quite prevalent
in many hobbit communities due to lack of appropriate birth-control
measures, not just for gay people or multiple-ring abusers, although
that is the stigma that is attached to people with Ring-Induced Auto-Immune Diseases
(RAIDS.)

> Has the Gollum's Kids Foundation picked up the educational work that
> Gollum unfortunately never got round to doing?

Yes, although it is said that if Gollum had not been stressed out by a
court case against a long-time partner and supporter, Samwise Gamgee,
he would have repented of his ring-abuse and gone to a clinic in Valinor
to sober up.

This would have allowed him to carry on his charitable work educating
young nazguls in the dangers of ring-abuse, and he would have been able
to carry out his plans for an honorable, painless death by throwing himself
into the fire with the assistance of Dr. Gandalf. Instead, he unfortunately
was quite depressed at the end of his life, and some say, manipulated by
Master Frodo, who allegedly wanted his "precious" inheritance.

:-)

--BER
Re: Gollum's Kids Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224468 ] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 03:29
OMeallyMD  
Robinsons wrote:

> That's why I donate 50 silver pieces to Gollum's Kids
> every time I visit the grocery store.

This makes me think of a daycare center I pass on my way to work, called
"Most Precious Possessions" (actual spelling). I can't keep myself from
thinking "Gollum's Daycare."

Parents bringing their child in for the first day are greeted by a
salivating Gollum. "Is it nice, my preciouss? Is it juicy? Is it
scrumptiously crunchable?".
--
Bill

"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
Re: Gollum's Kids Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224473 ] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 22:47
Robinsons  
Bill O'Meally wrote:

> Robinsons wrote:
>
> > That's why I donate 50 silver pieces to Gollum's Kids
> > every time I visit the grocery store.
>
> This makes me think of a daycare center I pass on my way to work, called
> "Most Precious Possessions" (actual spelling). I can't keep myself from
> thinking "Gollum's Daycare."
>
> Parents bringing their child in for the first day are greeted by a
> salivating Gollum. "Is it nice, my preciouss? Is it juicy? Is it
> scrumptiously crunchable?".
> --
> Bill

Sounds like the Medieval Militia, which every 4th of July would march
in the (US) Independence Day Parade in full armor. They would toss
treats to kids and offer to buy them from the parents (who usually
accepted.) I was very nearly enslaved myself!

--Brian (chained to the Wheel of Pain even as we speak)
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224503 ] Mo, 20 Februar 2006 18:57
morgothscurse2002  
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:11:51 -0500, Robinsons <wrob [at] erols.com> wrote:

>Henriette wrote:
>
>> Robinsons schreef:
>> >
>> > ** Apparent Food Allergy to "elvish" products. Anaphylaxis?
>> (snip most of post)
>> >
>> > Eg. "we wants it". Some lingusts and social sciences experts believe
>> > the Aztec lived in a culture in which complete subjectivity was the
>> > norm, individuals were incapable of distinguishing their own
>> > thoughts from intrusions thought to be "the will of the Gods" and
>> > that this is a universal pre-literate phenomenon.
>> (snip)
>> >
>> This is all very funny!
>>
>> What I still miss in this long list is an unravelling of Gollum's
>> obvious schizophrenia;-)
>
>The researchers ruled out schizophrenia and decided Gollum has
>"schizoid personality disorder." However, most of the reviews
>in the comments section disagree with that analysis:
>
>http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7480/1435

What I want to know is whether Gollum's obsession with fisssh is
considered a fetish or an addiction.

Morgoth's Curse
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224508 ] Mo, 20 Februar 2006 19:44
Yuk Tang  
"Morgoth's Curse" <morgothscurse2002 [at] nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1l0kv1d212rau04l9l70vjfil70t6ram3i [at] 4ax.com:
>
> What I want to know is whether Gollum's obsession with fisssh is
> considered a fetish or an addiction.
>
> Morgoth's Curse

It's a fetisssh.


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Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224517 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 11:40
Henriette  
Morgoth's Curse schreef:

> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:11:51 -0500, Robinsons <wrob [at] erols.com> wrote:
> >
> >The researchers ruled out schizophrenia and decided Gollum has
> >"schizoid personality disorder." However, most of the reviews
> >in the comments section disagree with that analysis:
> >
> >http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7480/1435
>
> What I want to know is whether Gollum's obsession with fisssh is
> considered a fetish or an addiction.

I think we are on the wrong track, trying to stigmatize Sm=E9agol. He is
no mental patient, he is a Survivor. As S. Bahadur puts it:

' Rather than finding fault in his diet of raw fish and rodents (or
going so far as calling it a 'fetish' or an 'addiction', H.), this
should be applauded. At the age of 587, one would have expected bones
like talcum powder, cataracts like frosted glass, his skin to be one
big wrinkle, teeth for sale as ivory on Ebay, and his mobility to
consist of annually raising an eyebrow. Surprisingly, this low fat high
protein diet rich in Omega 3 fish oils has resulted in freedom from the
diseases of old age.'

He adds, that the mild inconvenience of having scanty scalp hair, a
weedy body and shallow complexion can easily be corrected. But what to
do about the constant speculations about his mental health by
paparazzi?

Henriette
Re: Gollum's Kids Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224518 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 11:45
Henriette  
Bill O'Meally schreef:

> Robinsons wrote:
>
> > That's why I donate 50 silver pieces to Gollum's Kids
> > every time I visit the grocery store.
>
> This makes me think of a daycare center I pass on my way to work, called
> "Most Precious Possessions" (actual spelling). I can't keep myself from
> thinking "Gollum's Daycare."
>
A most suspect name indeed!

Henriette
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224519 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 12:01
Henriette  
Derek Broughton schreef:

> > Henriette wrote:
> >
> >> PS Are you aware English uses much less comma's than we do?
>
> "fewer" not "less" (sorry). I'm afraid you've been learning your English
> from less than reliable sources. Oh dear.
>
> >> Actually I have no idea about the rules so I just skip as many as
> >> possible;-)
> >
> > I do that in Dutch, too :-)
>
> Most English writers are no better at it. The rules on commas have
> slackened considerably in recent years, but Tolkien was well known to skip
> commas he should have used.
>
> English uses them for parenthetical expressions (ie, things that could have
> been put in parentheses, like this) and lists (where some commas are often
> dropped) and to separate (some) lauses (+ a few other things).
>
> http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/commas.htm gives 10 rules. I would
> guess you can easily ignore #1 (comma before the last element in a series),
> #2 (most of the time), #5 sometimes, #6 (I didn't even know about that
> one!) and #7 without most people noticing, and #4 might be done (properly)
> with other punctuation.
> --
Thank you for the correction, and for the link on the use of comma's.
It appears, that I got my idea English uses fewer comma's than Dutch,
from a less than reliable source as well, so until further notice, I'll
return to my old habit of using lots of comma's.

Henriette
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224526 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 19:12
Taemon  
Henriette wrote:

> He adds, that the mild inconvenience of having scanty scalp hair,
> a weedy body and shallow complexion can easily be corrected. But
> what to do about the constant speculations about his mental
> health by paparazzi?

He could throw fish at them? Nah. He should throw meat at them. Better
for several reasons.

T.
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224528 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 20:26
Jens Kilian  
"Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> writes:
> Thank you for the correction, and for the link on the use of comma's.

Let me be the first to recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss.
She also has something to say about apostrophes, although in this case she
would probably say "AARRRRGH!"...

;-)
Jens.
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Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224530 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 20:47
Derek Broughton  
Jens Kilian wrote:

> "Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> writes:
>> Thank you for the correction, and for the link on the use of comma's.
>
> Let me be the first to recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss.
> She also has something to say about apostrophes, although in this case she
> would probably say "AARRRRGH!"...
>
> ;-)

LOL. I second the recommendation for her book - though I can't say I always
agree with her. She has quite a bit _more_ than "something" to say about
apostrophes! I absolutely refused to comment on that wayward apostrophe :-)
--
derek
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224535 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 00:42
Speaking Clock  
"Derek Broughton" <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote in message
news:7b7sc3-tcq.ln1 [at] news.pointerstop.ca
> Jens Kilian wrote:
>
>> "Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> writes:
>>> Thank you for the correction, and for the link on the use of
>>> comma's.
>>
>> Let me be the first to recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne
>> Truss. She also has something to say about apostrophes, although in
>> this case she would probably say "AARRRRGH!"...
>>
>> ;-)
>
> LOL. I second the recommendation for her book - though I can't say I
> always agree with her. She has quite a bit _more_ than "something"
> to say about apostrophes! I absolutely refused to comment on that
> wayward apostrophe :-)

I'm a fan too. She deserves to be remembered for coining the expression
"interrrobang".

?! in case you were wondering ?!
--
Speaking Clock
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224536 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 00:46
Speaking Clock  
"Speaking Clock" <speaking.clock [at] geemale.com> wrote

> I'm a fan too. She deserves to be remembered for coining the
> expression "interrrobang".
>
> ?! in case you were wondering ?!

Erk! Sorry, had a bit of a brainstorm there. It was Martin K. Speckter,
of course ... <blush>
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Speaking Clock
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #224541 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 02:32
Yuk Tang  
"Speaking Clock" <speaking.clock [at] geemale.com> wrote in
news:461mqtF8v192U1 [at] individual.net:
> "Derek Broughton" <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote in message
> news:7b7sc3-tcq.ln1 [at] news.pointerstop.ca
>> Jens Kilian wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me be the first to recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by
>>> Lynne Truss. She also has something to say about apostrophes,
>>> although in this case she would probably say "AARRRRGH!"...
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>
>> LOL. I second the recommendation for her book - though I can't
>> say I always agree with her. She has quite a bit _more_ than
>> "something" to say about apostrophes! I absolutely refused to
>> comment on that wayward apostrophe :-)
>
> I'm a fan too. She deserves to be remembered for coining the
> expression "interrrobang".

Sounds Christopher Morris-esque.


--
Cheers, ymt.
Re: Gollum's Medical Diagnosis!! [message #227075 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 14:08
Derek Broughton  
Speaking Clock wrote:

> "Speaking Clock" <speaking.clock [at] geemale.com> wrote
>
>> I'm a fan too. She deserves to be remembered for coining the
>> expression "interrrobang".
>>
>> ?! in case you were wondering ?!
>
> Erk! Sorry, had a bit of a brainstorm there. It was Martin K. Speckter,
> of course ... <blush>

Whew! I rather thought Truss was a bit young to have invented it.
--
derek
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