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CotW update [message #215322] Di, 31 Januar 2006 15:05
nanderson  
Can someone clarify what the exact status of the Silm CotW schedule is
- the website seems to be done, and has been for a couple of days. I
have a chapter to do by February 13th according to the original
schedule, but have we slipped back from that?

Neil Anderson
Re: CotW update [message #215330 ] Di, 31 Januar 2006 19:38
Troels Forchhammer  
In message
<news:1138716314.531624.298940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
nanderson [at] transact.bm enriched us with:
>
> Can someone clarify what the exact status of the Silm CotW
> schedule is - the website seems to be done, and has been for a
> couple of days. I have a chapter to do by February 13th according
> to the original schedule, but have we slipped back from that?

The last chapter that was posted was chapter 7 of the Silmarillion
proper, 'Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor', which was
posted on December 27.

That would mean that we are at least four weeks behind the original
schedule, and then I believe we agreed to slow down the schedule to a
chapter every two weeks rather than only a one week break every four
weeks or so.

I don't know what is wrong with the maoltuile.org domain -- I get DNS
errors when I try, which makes me suspect that URL has become invalid
(who owned the URL, and could they have forgotten to pay for the
renewal?) or something of that order.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

++?????++ Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start.
- /Interesting Times/ (Terry Pratchett)
Re: CotW update [message #215331 ] Di, 31 Januar 2006 19:53
Christopher Kreuzer  
Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
> In message
> <news:1138716314.531624.298940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
> nanderson [at] transact.bm enriched us with:
>>
>> Can someone clarify what the exact status of the Silm CotW
>> schedule is - the website seems to be done, and has been for a
>> couple of days. I have a chapter to do by February 13th according
>> to the original schedule, but have we slipped back from that?
>
> The last chapter that was posted was chapter 7 of the Silmarillion
> proper, 'Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor', which was
> posted on December 27.
>
> That would mean that we are at least four weeks behind the original
> schedule, and then I believe we agreed to slow down the schedule to a
> chapter every two weeks rather than only a one week break every four
> weeks or so.
>
> I don't know what is wrong with the maoltuile.org domain -- I get DNS
> errors when I try, which makes me suspect that URL has become invalid
> (who owned the URL, and could they have forgotten to pay for the
> renewal?) or something of that order.

http://parasha.maoltuile.org/

Hmm. It is down, isn't it.

The Google cache from 22 January is still available:

http://tinyurl.com/7fqkn

What is needed to get the project going again...

(apart from me updating the schedule page with new dates, and checking
that people can post their chapter introductions on the new dates, and
finding somewhere else to post the schedule until the maoltuile problems
are resolved - I'll use my personal webspace from my ISP for the moment)

....is the following:

1) Someone to post an introduction for chapter 8 "Of the Darkening of
Valinor" - failing any other volunteers, I'll do this sometime this
week.

2) More discussion on the past chapters, to bring things up to speed for
the current chapters.

Christopher

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Re: CotW update [message #215334 ] Di, 31 Januar 2006 23:22
nanderson  
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
> > In message
> > <news:1138716314.531624.298940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
> > nanderson [at] transact.bm enriched us with:
> >>
> >> <snip>

> http://parasha.maoltuile.org/
>
> Hmm. It is down, isn't it.
>
> The Google cache from 22 January is still available:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7fqkn
>
> What is needed to get the project going again...
>
> (apart from me updating the schedule page with new dates, and checking
> that people can post their chapter introductions on the new dates, and
> finding somewhere else to post the schedule until the maoltuile problems
> are resolved - I'll use my personal webspace from my ISP for the moment)
>
> ...is the following:
>
> 1) Someone to post an introduction for chapter 8 "Of the Darkening of
> Valinor" - failing any other volunteers, I'll do this sometime this
> week.
>
> 2) More discussion on the past chapters, to bring things up to speed for
> the current chapters.
>

I'll take a look at the previous posts and try to think of something
relevant to add to them this week. I am glad to hear we are running
late, as work has been crazy and I have barely started my analysis of
Return of the Noldor.

Neil Anderson
Re: CotW update [message #215336 ] Mi, 01 Februar 2006 00:59
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:VmODf.12726$wl.4287 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>

<snip>

> What is needed to get the project going again...

Which I believe we definitely wish to do!

> (apart from me updating the schedule page with new dates,

Feb 13th, 2006 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor
(Chris Kern?)
Feb 27th, 2006 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor
(Eric Root)
Mar 13th, 2006 10. Of the Sindar
(Count Menelvagor)
Mar 27th, 2006 11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
(Odysseus)
Apr 10th, 2006 12. Of Men
(?)
Apr 24th, 2006 13. Of the Return of the Noldor
(Neil Anderson)
May 8th, 2006 14. Of Beleriand and its Realms
(?)
May 22nd, 2006 15. Of the Noldor in Beleriand
(?)
Jun 5th, 2006 16. Of Maeglin
(Huan the Hound)
Jun 19th, 2006 17. Of the Coming of Men into the West
(?)
Jul 3rd, 2006 18. Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
(Neil Anderson)
Jul 17th, 2006 19. Of Beren and Lúthien
(Eric Root)
Jul 31st, 2006 20. Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
(Morgoth's Curse)
Aug 14th, 2006 21. Of Túrin Turambar
(Yuk Tang)
Aug 28th, 2006 22. Of the Ruin of Doriath
(Christopher Kreuzer)
Sep 11th, 2006 23. Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin
(Matthew T. Curtis)
Sep 25th, 2006 24. Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath
(Larry Swain)
Oct 9th, 2006 - Akallabêth
(Larry Swain)
Oct 23rd, 2006 - Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
(Troels Forchhammer)
Nov 6th, 2006 - Tables: (Genealogies; The Sundering of the Elves);
Index of Names; Map
(Matthew T. Curtis)
Nov 20th, 2006 - Note on Pronunciation;
Appendix: Elements in Quenya and Sindarin names
(?)

I've stuck to a strict two-weekly schedule without extra breaks etc.
The names given are those from the Google archive.

> and checking that people can post their chapter introductions on
> the new dates,

I can certainly post come October, and I should also be able, with this
schedule, to handle chapter 17 'Of the Coming of Men into the West'
(provided I'm allowed to touch on the Athrabeth, of course <G>)

> and finding somewhere else to post the schedule until the maoltuile
> problems are resolved - I'll use my personal webspace from my ISP
> for the moment)

Can't help there, I'm afraid.

> ...is the following:
>
> 1) Someone to post an introduction for chapter 8 "Of the Darkening
> of Valinor" - failing any other volunteers, I'll do this sometime
> this week.

.. . . nor here . . .

> 2) More discussion on the past chapters, to bring things up to
> speed for the current chapters.

.. . . but I'm working on my responses to the last chapter that were
posted, and I have a couple of further comments / questions regarding
the story of Finwë and Míriel that relates to chapter 6.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Lo! we have gathered, and we have spent, and now the time
of payment draws near.
- Aragorn, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
Re: CotW update [message #215338 ] Mi, 01 Februar 2006 09:42
Odysseus  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>
<snip>

> Mar 27th, 2006 11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
> (Odysseus)

Check.

--
Odysseus
Re: CotW update [message #215339 ] Mi, 01 Februar 2006 09:59
Christopher Kreuzer  
"Odysseus" <odysseus1479-at [at] yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message
news:43E074A0.BF87AC39 [at] yahoo-dot.ca...
> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> >
> <snip>
>
> > Mar 27th, 2006 11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
> > (Odysseus)

Well, Troels' post with the new dates (thanks for that Troels!)
completely failed to propagate to my ISP's news server. Ho hum. But at
least I can see it on Google Groups.

Could everyone else on that list please confirm that they can do the new
dates? It will save me having to write to everyone. Thanks. I've also
noted the confirmation from Troels and Odysseus, and will add Troels in
for the new chapter he volunteered for.

Christopher

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Re: CotW update [message #215345 ] Mi, 01 Februar 2006 14:33
nanderson  
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> "Odysseus" <odysseus1479-at [at] yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message
> news:43E074A0.BF87AC39 [at] yahoo-dot.ca...
> > Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> > >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Mar 27th, 2006 11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
> > > (Odysseus)
>
> Well, Troels' post with the new dates (thanks for that Troels!)
> completely failed to propagate to my ISP's news server. Ho hum. But at
> least I can see it on Google Groups.
>
> Could everyone else on that list please confirm that they can do the new
> dates? It will save me having to write to everyone. Thanks. I've also
> noted the confirmation from Troels and Odysseus, and will add Troels in
> for the new chapter he volunteered for.
>
> Christopher

I am good for my two chapters, and if needs be, could do one more.

Neil Anderson
Re: CotW update [message #215352 ] Mi, 01 Februar 2006 19:05
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:EL_Df.13061$wl.1548 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>
> "Odysseus" <odysseus1479-at [at] yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message
> news:43E074A0.BF87AC39 [at] yahoo-dot.ca...
>> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>>
>>> Mar 27th, 2006 11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of
>>> Valinor
>>> (Odysseus)
>
> Well, Troels' post with the new dates (thanks for that Troels!)
> completely failed to propagate to my ISP's news server. Ho hum.
> But at least I can see it on Google Groups.

;-)

That's usenet for you -- for some reason it was always the posts I
most wanted to read that got dropped on my ISP's news-server, which
was why I decided to change to individual.net (not implying anything
with respect to my own post).

> Could everyone else on that list please confirm that they can do
> the new dates?

Have you heard from Chris lately? Part of the reason for the delay,
as I recall it, was that Chris suddenly got extremely busy, and if
that hasn't stopped, we may have to find a volunteer for the next
chapter already.

It would help tremendously to get confirmations for the next chapters
soon (so therefore I reproduce them here -- others might have the
same problem as Christopher):

Feb 13th, 2006 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor
(Chris Kern?)
Feb 27th, 2006 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor
(Eric Root)
Mar 13th, 2006 10. Of the Sindar
(Count Menelvagor)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

"What're quantum mechanics?"
"I don't know. People who repair quantums, I suppose."
- /Eric/ (Terry Pratchett)
Re: CotW update [message #215370 ] Do, 02 Februar 2006 01:42
Huan the hound  
On 2006-01-31, Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote in
<Xns975DA18D1963T.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4>:

> Jun 5th, 2006 16. Of Maeglin
> (Huan the Hound)

OK, can't think of any reason that won't work out.

--
Huan, the hound of Valinor
<http://www.douban.net/people/2000366/>
Re: CotW update [message #215380 ] Do, 02 Februar 2006 17:38
Matthew T Curtis  
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:59:16 GMT, "Christopher Kreuzer"
<spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Well, Troels' post with the new dates (thanks for that Troels!)
>completely failed to propagate to my ISP's news server. Ho hum. But at
>least I can see it on Google Groups.
>
>Could everyone else on that list please confirm that they can do the new
>dates? It will save me having to write to everyone. Thanks. I've also
>noted the confirmation from Troels and Odysseus, and will add Troels in
>for the new chapter he volunteered for.
>
>Christopher

My new dates (Sept 11 and Nov 6) are both fine for me.

--
Matthew T Curtis mtcurtis[at]dsl.pipex.com
HIV+ for 25 glorious years!
What Mrs Whitlow had sewn together out of her dress was a lot more
substantial than a bikini. It was more a *newzealand* - two quite
large respectable halves separated by a narrow channel.
- Terry Pratchett
Re: CotW update [message #218408 ] Di, 07 Februar 2006 23:35
Count Menelvagor  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> Mar 13th, 2006 10. Of the Sindar
> (Count Menelvagor)

this is fine with me. i'm basically finished except for a bit of
editing. oh, and which volume of HOME has the bit about the origins of
orcs? i'm guessing MR; it doesn't seem to be in any of my volumes.
Re: CotW update [message #218437 ] Mi, 08 Februar 2006 09:32
Troels Forchhammer  
In message
<news:1139351711.144604.69940 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
"Count Menelvagor" <Menelvagor [at] mailandnews.com> enriched us with:
>
> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>
>> Mar 13th, 2006 10. Of the Sindar
>> (Count Menelvagor)
>
> this is fine with me. i'm basically finished except for a bit of
> editing.

Good work there ;-)

Now we desparately need either confirmation or a volunteer for next
week (unless Christopher has been in contact with Chris?):

Feb 13th, 2006 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor
(Chris Kern?)

Scheduled for next Monday, and I can't make it myself. The next
chapter, for the end of the month, is less urgent right now, but it
would be nice to get it confirmed (because then we'll be settled all
the way through to 8th of May).

Feb 27th, 2006 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor
(Eric Root)


> oh, and which volume of HOME has the bit about the origins of orcs?
> i'm guessing MR; it doesn't seem to be in any of my volumes.

MR it is, the last part 'Myths Transformed' has a section on the
origin of Orcs.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom
of thought which they avoid.
- Soren Kierkegaard
Re: CotW update [message #218459 ] Mi, 08 Februar 2006 23:34
Christopher Kreuzer  
Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:

<snip>

> Now we desparately need either confirmation or a volunteer for next
> week (unless Christopher has been in contact with Chris?):

I e-mailed him some time ago. Didn't hear back. Unless he turns up, we
will have to go ahead without him.

> Feb 13th, 2006 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor
> (Chris Kern?)
>
> Scheduled for next Monday, and I can't make it myself.

I have been meaning to do this chapter myself ever since it began
looking like no volunteers were going to step forward, but I am really
struggling to find the time to do things like update the page. Troels,
thanks again for posting the dates and getting things moving again. I
will post this chapter summary and discussion questions if no-one else
volunteers, but it would be really great if someone else could
volunteer!

> The next chapter, for the end of the month, is less urgent right now,
but
> it would be nice to get it confirmed (because then we'll be settled
all
> the way through to 8th of May).

I've e-mailed Eric Root, so we should be OK through to the 8th of May. I
haven't had time to e-mail the others whose chapters were coming up on
the old schedule, so we'll have to hope they check before posting.

> Feb 27th, 2006 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor
> (Eric Root)

I'm also trying to find out what is wrong with the webpage. I've
e-mailed the person who set the webpage up. Shall I put a copy up
somewhere else, or wait until the original one gets fixed?

Christopher

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Re: CotW update [message #218461 ] Do, 09 Februar 2006 10:02
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:LluGf.17222$wl.1327 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>

<snip>

> I will post this chapter summary and discussion questions if no-one
> else volunteers, but it would be really great if someone else could
> volunteer!

Any of the old reserve volunteers ready to step in here? Though only
Stan seems to have posted in the last couple of months, the list in
the Google cache consisted of Aelfwina [26 Nov], Atalante [27 Aug],
Dr. Ernst Stavro Blofeld [27 Apr], Stan Brown [7 Feb], AC (Aaron
Clausen) [22 Oct], Een Wilde Ier [30 Nov], Grondigwiller [23 May],
Ciaran Irvine [21 Apr] and James Seibert [24 Apr] (last *.tolkien
posting date recorded on Google in square brackets, most of them from
2005).

> I've e-mailed Eric Root, so we should be OK through to the 8th of
> May.

Yay! ;-)

> I haven't had time to e-mail the others whose chapters were coming
> up on the old schedule, so we'll have to hope they check before
> posting.

Next on the list is Huan the Hound whose old posting date was on 6
March.

> I'm also trying to find out what is wrong with the webpage. I've
> e-mailed the person who set the webpage up. Shall I put a copy up
> somewhere else, or wait until the original one gets fixed?

I think the best course right now is to put it up somewhere else for
the moment. It seems that the domain maoltuile.org is out of business
at the moment -- I can't get an IP address for it on any domain name
server, though I don't know why (the domain name has been updated on
26 January this year . . .?)

<http://www.whois.sc/maoltuile.org>
<http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=maoltuile.org>

The person to contact would be David Flood.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

The errors hardest
to condone
in other people
are one's own.
- Piet Hein, /Our Own Motes/
Re: CotW update [message #218463 ] Do, 09 Februar 2006 11:10
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:Xns976567F874C53T.Forch [at] 131.228.6.98> Troels
Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> enriched us with:
>

<snip>

> Next on the list is Huan the Hound whose old posting date was on 6
> March.

I just saw that we've already heard from Huan (sorry, my work server
has only a couple of days retention, so your post had already expired),
so the next, unheard-from, poster is, to the best of my knowledge,
Morgoth's Curse who was originally scheduled for 17th April, but who is
now scheduled for 31st July.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

"Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve
death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to
them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in
judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
- Frodo and Gandalf, /The Fellowship of the Ring/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
Re: CotW update [message #218475 ] Do, 09 Februar 2006 20:00
Larry Swain  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> In message <news:LluGf.17222$wl.1327 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>>I will post this chapter summary and discussion questions if no-one
>>else volunteers, but it would be really great if someone else could
>>volunteer!
>
>
> Any of the old reserve volunteers ready to step in here?

I can do it, but it would be a little late--this time next week rather
than Monday


Though only
> Stan seems to have posted in the last couple of months, the list in
> the Google cache consisted of Aelfwina [26 Nov], Atalante [27 Aug],
> Dr. Ernst Stavro Blofeld [27 Apr], Stan Brown [7 Feb], AC (Aaron
> Clausen) [22 Oct], Een Wilde Ier [30 Nov], Grondigwiller [23 May],
> Ciaran Irvine [21 Apr] and James Seibert [24 Apr] (last *.tolkien
> posting date recorded on Google in square brackets, most of them from
> 2005).
>
>
>>I've e-mailed Eric Root, so we should be OK through to the 8th of
>>May.
>
>
> Yay! ;-)
>
>
>>I haven't had time to e-mail the others whose chapters were coming
>>up on the old schedule, so we'll have to hope they check before
>>posting.
>
>
> Next on the list is Huan the Hound whose old posting date was on 6
> March.
>
>
>>I'm also trying to find out what is wrong with the webpage. I've
>>e-mailed the person who set the webpage up. Shall I put a copy up
>>somewhere else, or wait until the original one gets fixed?
>
>
> I think the best course right now is to put it up somewhere else for
> the moment. It seems that the domain maoltuile.org is out of business
> at the moment -- I can't get an IP address for it on any domain name
> server, though I don't know why (the domain name has been updated on
> 26 January this year . . .?)
>
> <http://www.whois.sc/maoltuile.org>
> <http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=maoltuile.org>
>
> The person to contact would be David Flood.
>
Re: CotW update [message #224495 ] So, 19 Februar 2006 20:10
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:yKadnXhe7qPdDHbeRVn-rw [at] rcn.net>
Larry Swain <theswain [at] operamail.com> enriched us with:
>
> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>

CotW: The Silmarillion, Quenta Silmarillion, ch. 'Of the Darkening of
Valinor'

>> Any of the old reserve volunteers ready to step in here?
>
> I can do it, but it would be a little late--this time next week
> rather than Monday

Christopher has been uncharacteristically quiet here, so I will cast
myself up as self-proclaimed assistant care-taker in this matter, and
ask if you're still willing to do this chapter, and if you are capable
of posting an introduction some time in the coming week (i.e. no later
than 25 Februrary)?

If that is possible, then I think we'll move on witht that and keep the
schedule I posted earlier in the thread, though it doesn't allow the
two weeks per chapter that we agreed on earlier.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does
knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know
much, who so positively assert that this or that problem
will never be solved by science.
- Charles Darwin (1809 - 1882)
Re: CotW update [message #224501 ] Mo, 20 Februar 2006 07:04
Larry Swain  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> In message <news:yKadnXhe7qPdDHbeRVn-rw [at] rcn.net>
> Larry Swain <theswain [at] operamail.com> enriched us with:
>
>>Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>
>
> CotW: The Silmarillion, Quenta Silmarillion, ch. 'Of the Darkening of
> Valinor'
>
>
>>>Any of the old reserve volunteers ready to step in here?
>>
>>I can do it, but it would be a little late--this time next week
>>rather than Monday
>
>
> Christopher has been uncharacteristically quiet here, so I will cast
> myself up as self-proclaimed assistant care-taker in this matter, and
> ask if you're still willing to do this chapter, and if you are capable
> of posting an introduction some time in the coming week (i.e. no later
> than 25 Februrary)?
>
> If that is possible, then I think we'll move on witht that and keep the
> schedule I posted earlier in the thread, though it doesn't allow the
> two weeks per chapter that we agreed on earlier.
>
Ok, I think I can do that.
Re: CotW update [message #224514 ] Mo, 20 Februar 2006 22:14
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:It6dnfl4H-ybwWTeRVn-uA [at] rcn.net> Larry Swain
<theswain [at] operamail.com> enriched us with:
>

<snip>

> Ok, I think I can do that.

Thanks!

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>
Re: CotW update [message #224515 ] Mo, 20 Februar 2006 19:53
Raven  
"Troels Forchhammer" <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
news:Xns976FCD4D4C7C7T.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4...

> Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does
> knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know
> much, who so positively assert that this or that problem
> will never be solved by science.
> - Charles Darwin (1809 - 1882)

Some value certainty above truth..
- Me (1968 - ?)

Hrafn.
Re: CotW update [message #224516 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 11:38
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:S2tKf.5696$%%.1814 [at] news.get2net.dk>
"Raven" <jonlennart.beck.god [at] damn.get2net.that.dk.spam> enriched us
with:
>
> "Troels Forchhammer" <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:Xns976FCD4D4C7C7T.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4...
>>
>> Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does
>> knowledge:
[...]
>
> Some value certainty above truth..
> - Me (1968 - ?)
> Hrafn.

:-D

I am reminded of the treatment of Mao Tse Dung's quotes in Doonesbury
(the cartoon by Trudeau), according to which they would recognize
quotable sentences by their addition, "Quote it!"

Nevertheless what you said is unfortunately true -- I think . . . ;-)

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Troels Forchhammer
Valid mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo
Re: CotW update [message #224527 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 20:15
morgothscurse2002  
On 31 Jan 2006 23:59:34 GMT, Troels Forchhammer
<Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:

>> (apart from me updating the schedule page with new dates,
>
>Feb 13th, 2006 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor
> (Chris Kern?)
>Feb 27th, 2006 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor
> (Eric Root)
>Mar 13th, 2006 10. Of the Sindar
> (Count Menelvagor)
>Mar 27th, 2006 11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
> (Odysseus)
>Apr 10th, 2006 12. Of Men
> (?)
>Apr 24th, 2006 13. Of the Return of the Noldor
> (Neil Anderson)
>May 8th, 2006 14. Of Beleriand and its Realms
> (?)

I can take care of this chapter too.

>May 22nd, 2006 15. Of the Noldor in Beleriand
> (?)
>Jun 5th, 2006 16. Of Maeglin
> (Huan the Hound)
>Jun 19th, 2006 17. Of the Coming of Men into the West
> (?)
>Jul 3rd, 2006 18. Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
> (Neil Anderson)
>Jul 17th, 2006 19. Of Beren and Lúthien
> (Eric Root)
>Jul 31st, 2006 20. Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
> (Morgoth's Curse)
>Aug 14th, 2006 21. Of Túrin Turambar
> (Yuk Tang)
>Aug 28th, 2006 22. Of the Ruin of Doriath
> (Christopher Kreuzer)
>Sep 11th, 2006 23. Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin
> (Matthew T. Curtis)
>Sep 25th, 2006 24. Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath
> (Larry Swain)
>Oct 9th, 2006 - Akallabêth
> (Larry Swain)
>Oct 23rd, 2006 - Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
> (Troels Forchhammer)
>Nov 6th, 2006 - Tables: (Genealogies; The Sundering of the Elves);
> Index of Names; Map
> (Matthew T. Curtis)
>Nov 20th, 2006 - Note on Pronunciation;
> Appendix: Elements in Quenya and Sindarin names
> (?)
>
>I've stuck to a strict two-weekly schedule without extra breaks etc.
>The names given are those from the Google archive.
>
>> and checking that people can post their chapter introductions on
>> the new dates,

I was going to suggest that we reserve the Akallabeth for Steuard
Jensen. It would be nice if he could contribute at least once to the
COtW. :) But I guess it's just not in the cards.

Morgoth's Curse
Re: CotW update [message #224529 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 20:56
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:sapmv1d0masq7fmpfm3endiomi2d83vinl [at] 4ax.com>
"Morgoth's Curse" <morgothscurse2002 [at] nospam.yahoo.com> enriched us
with:
>
> On 31 Jan 2006 23:59:34 GMT, Troels Forchhammer
> <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>

<snip>

>> May 8th, 2006 14. Of Beleriand and its Realms (?)
>
> I can take care of this chapter too.

Great, thanks.

That means that the schedule is currently:

This week, 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor
(Larry Swain *)
Feb 27th, 2006 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor
(Eric Root *)
Mar 13th, 2006 10. Of the Sindar
(Count Menelvagor *)
Mar 27th, 2006 11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
(Odysseus *)
Apr 10th, 2006 12. Of Men
(Troels Forchhammer *)
Apr 24th, 2006 13. Of the Return of the Noldor
(Neil Anderson *)
May 8th, 2006 14. Of Beleriand and its Realms
(Morgoth's Curse *)
May 22nd, 2006 15. Of the Noldor in Beleriand
(?)
Jun 5th, 2006 16. Of Maeglin
(Huan the Hound *)
Jun 19th, 2006 17. Of the Coming of Men into the West
(?)
Jul 3rd, 2006 18. Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
(Neil Anderson *)
Jul 17th, 2006 19. Of Beren and Lúthien
(Eric Root *)
Jul 31st, 2006 20. Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
(Morgoth's Curse *)
Aug 14th, 2006 21. Of Túrin Turambar
(Yuk Tang)
Aug 28th, 2006 22. Of the Ruin of Doriath
(Christopher Kreuzer *)
Sep 11th, 2006 23. Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin
(Matthew T. Curtis *)
Sep 25th, 2006 24. Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath
(Larry Swain *)
Oct 9th, 2006 - Akallabêth
(Larry Swain *)
Oct 23rd, 2006 - Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
(Troels Forchhammer *)
Nov 6th, 2006 - Tables: (Genealogies; The Sundering of the Elves);
Index of Names; Map
(Matthew T. Curtis *)
Nov 20th, 2006 - Note on Pronunciation;
Appendix: Elements in Quenya and Sindarin names
(?)

The posters marked with an asterisk are those for whom we have a
confirmation for the new dates. I have assumed an implicit
confirmation from Larry Swain and Christopher Kreuzer who have posted
to the thread without complaint ;-)


That means that we only need a confirmation from Yuk Tang that the
new date is OK?

And then we need to find volunteers to introduce the last three
unclaimed parts:

Silmarillion ch. 15: 'Of the Noldor in Beleriand', May 22nd
Silmarillion ch. 17: 'Of the Coming of Men into the West', June 19th
Note on Pronunciation and Quenya appendix, November 20th

> I was going to suggest that we reserve the Akallabeth for Steuard
> Jensen. It would be nice if he could contribute at least once to
> the COtW. :) But I guess it's just not in the cards.

Well, there's always the chapters mentioned above -- and I could
possibly be persuaded to swap one of mine if needed ;-)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Taking fun
as simply fun
and earnestness
in earnest
shows how thouroughly
thou none
of the two
discernest.
- Piet Hein, /The Eternal Twins/
Re: CotW update [message #224531 ] Di, 21 Februar 2006 23:17
Yuk Tang  
Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9771D511DDC22T.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4:

> In message <news:sapmv1d0masq7fmpfm3endiomi2d83vinl [at] 4ax.com>
> "Morgoth's Curse" <morgothscurse2002 [at] nospam.yahoo.com> enriched us
> with:
>>
>> On 31 Jan 2006 23:59:34 GMT, Troels Forchhammer
>> <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>
> <snip>
>
>>> May 8th, 2006 14. Of Beleriand and its Realms (?)
>>
>> I can take care of this chapter too.
>
> Great, thanks.
>
> That means that the schedule is currently:
>
> This week, 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor
> (Larry Swain *)
> Feb 27th, 2006 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor
> (Eric Root *)
> Mar 13th, 2006 10. Of the Sindar
> (Count Menelvagor *)
> Mar 27th, 2006 11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
> (Odysseus *)
> Apr 10th, 2006 12. Of Men
> (Troels Forchhammer *)
> Apr 24th, 2006 13. Of the Return of the Noldor
> (Neil Anderson *)
> May 8th, 2006 14. Of Beleriand and its Realms
> (Morgoth's Curse *)
> May 22nd, 2006 15. Of the Noldor in Beleriand
> (?)

[snip]

> Jul 31st, 2006 20. Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
> (Morgoth's Curse *)
> Aug 14th, 2006 21. Of Túrin Turambar
> (Yuk Tang)
>
> That means that we only need a confirmation from Yuk Tang that the
> new date is OK?

The new date will be OK.


> And then we need to find volunteers to introduce the last three
> unclaimed parts:
>
> Silmarillion ch. 15: 'Of the Noldor in Beleriand', May 22nd
> Silmarillion ch. 17: 'Of the Coming of Men into the West', June
> 19th Note on Pronunciation and Quenya appendix, November 20th

If I can dig out my Silm again, I'll take ch15 'Of the Noldor in
Beleriand' as well.


--
Cheers, ymt.
Re: CotW update [message #224534 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 00:36
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:Xns9771E2B01DECCjimlaker2yahoocom [at] 130.133.1.4> Yuk
Tang <jim.laker2 [at] yahoo.com> enriched us with:
>

[CotW Schedule:]

> The new date will be OK.

<snip>

> If I can dig out my Silm again, I'll take ch15 'Of the Noldor in
> Beleriand' as well.

Great, thanks!

Until further notice, I will post the remaining schedule regularly.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Self-proclaimed assistant CotW-schedule care-taker
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>
Re: CotW update [message #224540 ] Mi, 22 Februar 2006 02:30
Yuk Tang  
Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns977261D4395DT.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4:
> In message <news:Xns9771E2B01DECCjimlaker2yahoocom [at] 130.133.1.4> Yuk
> Tang <jim.laker2 [at] yahoo.com> enriched us with:
>
>> If I can dig out my Silm again, I'll take ch15 'Of the Noldor in
>> Beleriand' as well.
>
> Great, thanks!
>
> Until further notice, I will post the remaining schedule regularly.

Looking at my sentbox, it seems I did ch5 'Of Eldamar and the Princes
of the Eldalie'. If there's a ch25 'Of the Numenoreans and their
realms in Middle-Earth', I'll do that as well, and maybe ch35 'Of the
Earendili and the Princes of the Andromeda Galaxy'.


--
Cheers, ymt.
Re: CotW update [message #227185 ] Di, 28 Februar 2006 00:36
Christopher Kreuzer  
> Troels Forchhammer
> Self-proclaimed assistant CotW-schedule care-taker

LOL! Thanks, Troels (and thanks to Larry for posting the 'Darking of
Valinor' thread). I've been a bit busy recently, but enjoying the break.
The discussions look fascinating! The other update is that I heard from
Eric Root (doing the next chapter) and he says it will probably be a few
days late.

Christopher

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