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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » . . . and thanks for all the fish!
. . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215090] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 00:38
Troels Forchhammer  
Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
AFH-P.

I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

If anyone are interested in continuing the Hogwarts Library or other
stuff that I have kept (poster birthdays, poster book preferences,
group posting history), they are welcome to e-mail me, and I will e-
mail them the files. Please co-ordinate it between you.

My e-mail remains valid -- both <t.forch [at] email.dk> and
<troelsfo [at] yahoo.dk>. Mails are clearly welcome.

I shall miss the good people here, and eventually (I hope) also the
Potter discussions, so once both time and enthusiasm reappear, I will
be coming back (though I don't expect it to happen until we've all read
book 7).

I will unsubscribe with the end of this weekend.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Then suddenly the foresight of his kindred came to him, and
he said: "But lo! Master Elrond, the years of your abiding
run short at last, and the choice must soon be laid on your
children, to part either with you or with Middle-earth.
- Aragorn, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215092 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 00:59
DM  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.
>
> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.
>
> If anyone are interested in continuing the Hogwarts Library or other
> stuff that I have kept (poster birthdays, poster book preferences,
> group posting history), they are welcome to e-mail me, and I will e-
> mail them the files. Please co-ordinate it between you.
>
> My e-mail remains valid -- both <t.forch [at] email.dk> and
> <troelsfo [at] yahoo.dk>. Mails are clearly welcome.
>
> I shall miss the good people here, and eventually (I hope) also the
> Potter discussions, so once both time and enthusiasm reappear, I will
> be coming back (though I don't expect it to happen until we've all read
> book 7).
>
> I will unsubscribe with the end of this weekend.
>

I'm certain you'll be missed. I just hope you'll pass the Hogwarts
Library to someone who can give it the time it deserves. I'd love to
take it on, but I could never do it justice.

Take care.
--
DM
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Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215096 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 01:11
Lady Grey  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for

yes I did notice this...

> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.

good idea, I probably ought to do the same but I lack the sensibilities
to make that call...

> I shall miss the good people here, and eventually (I hope) also the
> Potter discussions, so once both time and enthusiasm reappear, I will
> be coming back (though I don't expect it to happen until we've all read
> book 7).

see you in about a couple years then!
held og lykke hos alt!

--
Jane Grey
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215099 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 02:03
Froggy  
"Troels Forchhammer" <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns97606868D3E6T.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4...
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.
>
> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.
>
> If anyone are interested in continuing the Hogwarts Library or other
> stuff that I have kept (poster birthdays, poster book preferences,
> group posting history), they are welcome to e-mail me, and I will e-
> mail them the files. Please co-ordinate it between you.
>
> My e-mail remains valid -- both <t.forch [at] email.dk> and
> <troelsfo [at] yahoo.dk>. Mails are clearly welcome.
>
> I shall miss the good people here, and eventually (I hope) also the
> Potter discussions, so once both time and enthusiasm reappear, I will
> be coming back (though I don't expect it to happen until we've all read
> book 7).
>
> I will unsubscribe with the end of this weekend.
>
> --
> Troels Forchhammer
> Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>


Sorry Troels... Although I am barely getting to know you, you will be
missed. Hope to see you back soon!
--
~Froggy~
The one who loved Neville's Toad Trevor!
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215102 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 03:03
Fish Eye no Miko  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things
> (particuarly my family), and a marked decrease in my
> interest and enthusiasm for Potter-related discussions,
> I will be taking an extended break from AFH-P.

NOOOO!!!!!
<sobs>

> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

Or maybe if the next movie comes out first?
Awww... I'll miss you. Troels... <hug>

Catherine Johnson. See ya, Troels... <sniff>
--
fenm at cox dot net
Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215113 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 05:35
Tim Peters  
[Troels Forchhammer]
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.

Ah, Troels. You know there's a name for this, right? It's PHBPTSD:
post-Half-Blood Prince traumatic stress disorder. It's characterized by
nagging suspicions that the details of the world are irreconcilably
inconsistent, and a profound fear that the very moral fabric underpinning
existence won't make sense in the end. Advanced sufferers report symptoms
strikingly similar to the aftermath of sustained serial Dementor attacks.

I doubt that will make you feel better, but knowing there's a name for your
disease should slow your growing sense of embittered isolation :-)

> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

You're more than welcome anytime, of course! You'll look in sooner if you
follow my simple strategy for making difficult life decisions:

- Pick a chapter from one of the Harry Potter books, and reread it at
leisure, taking all the time it wants you to take. Pay special
attention to what delights you (e.g., Mollywobbles), and special
inattention to details (e.g., implicit assumptions that 2+2=37).

- Then close your eyes, picture yourself in the story, and simply
ask "Now what would Hermione do in my position?".

The good news is that, if you do this, you'll find yourself blessing a.f.h-p
with your wisdom and good cheer much sooner than after book 7. The bad news
is that you'll find yourself knitting a large quantity of misshapen hats :-)

Enjoy your sabbatical! You'll be missed.
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215115 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 05:45
cwlNOSPAM  
In article <Xns97606868D3E6T.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4>, Troels Forchhammer
<Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:

>Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
>family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
>Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
>AFH-P.

I sincerely hope that you will understand me correctly when I say that I
saw your "Burning Day" coming:

To Harry¹s astonishment, Dumbledore smiled.
»About time, too«, he said. »Troels has been looking dreadful for
days; I¹ve been telling him to get a move on.«
He chuckled at the stunned look on Harry¹s face.

"It is characteristic of man that he alone has any sense of good or evil,
of just or unjust, and the like, and the association of living things who
have this sense makes a family and a state." - Aristotle: Politics, 1.

Take VERY good care of your family Troels. No amount of Harry Potter (or
Piet Hein) can possibly substitute for it. Don't become a burn in the
tapestry.

The *state* that you have already established has very good chances of
survival. When I look at *de.alt.fan.harry-potter* I could literally vomit
at the level of discussion I find there. I have only been here since the
release of HBP, and am amazed at the "immensely heavy load" that you have
carried.

>
>I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

1. I don't recommend it. Remember "Back to the Future Part II"?:

Hi! Welcome to the alt.fan.harry-potter virtual common room.
<snip>
Toon

2. Not to be too pathetic, but I already feel that the grounds are silent.
Fawkes has stopped singing.

>
>If anyone are interested in continuing the Hogwarts Library or other
>stuff that I have kept (poster birthdays, poster book preferences,
>group posting history), they are welcome to e-mail me, and I will e-
>mail them the files. Please co-ordinate it between you.

If only I had the timeŠ

>
>My e-mail remains valid -- both <t.forch [at] email.dk> and
><troelsfo [at] yahoo.dk>. Mails are clearly welcome.

You may yet regret that.

>
>I shall miss the good people here, and eventually (I hope) also the
>Potter discussions, so once both time and enthusiasm reappear, I will
>be coming back (though I don't expect it to happen until we've all read
>book 7).

Heh, heh. To give hell to whom?

>
>I will unsubscribe with the end of this weekend.

Bob Hope's theme song comes to mind: Thank's for the memories!!!

(Remember me as the only American who has a Nina & Frederik CD.)
--
Chris
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215125 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 10:47
dsueme  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> I will unsubscribe with the end of this weekend.

Good. Set a "quit" date. That is the first step.

Next you have to get rid of all the paraphaniala. Throw away the ash
trays, clean out all your Potter-related e-mails, "cookies", get rid of
the books, DVD's and "action figures". Clear the quiddich team posters
from your bedroom door.

Now perhaps you need a "support group". I'm here for you, Troels! If
you wake up in the middle of the night with the urge to "lurk" on afhp,
send me an e-mail! I'll quickly reply with the most arcane argument I
can construct that Rowling has decided to take the money and run. If
that doesn't cure you of the temptation to slide back into your group
participation habits, what possibly could? Think of it as "support" in
the form of a stake you don't want to sit on.

Dave
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215130 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 11:30
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:l7SEf.2450$%84.250 [at] tornado.southeast.rr.com>
DM <dm1498 [at] {REMOVE}gmail.com> enriched us with:
>

<snip>

> I just hope you'll pass the Hogwarts Library to someone who can
> give it the time it deserves. I'd love to take it on, but I
> could never do it justice.

The first step appears to be to find anyone willing to just give it a
try . . .

What happens to the FAQs isn't, IMO, all that important. Petrea still
posts her excellent FAQ regularly, and the owners of other 'alive'
FAQs (or FAQ-like files) could easily do the same.

It is a bigger issue what happens to the AFH-P specific stuff --
posting guide and common room. This is as badly in need of an update
as the Potterverse stuff, and has the disadvantage of not being
possible to find elsewhere.

One advice is to find one person to maintain the Meta-FAQ: that one
doesn't give answers (other than short and undisputable ones), but
rather points at where to find the answers. An index that sorts
information by story-internal topic, and which provides references to
both discussions and factual information /with references to canon/
is actually still a badly needed resource.

Never take on face value what someone -- even the highly esteemed
(and rightly so!) Harry Potter Lexicon ought to give references for
its information (they're moving that way -- all the new stuff has
solid references).

(it seems I'll be posting more this weekend than the preceding month
in total -- I suppose that's only natural <G>)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true.
- Niels Bohr, to a young physicist
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215131 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 11:33
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:2YTEf.2556$MJ.1949 [at] fed1read07>
"Fish Eye no Miko" <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> enriched us with:

> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>

<snip>

>> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.
>
> Or maybe if the next movie comes out first?

I don't expect the film to be able to drag me back in :/

> Awww... I'll miss you. Troels... <hug>

And I'll miss you, Catherine.

> Catherine Johnson. See ya, Troels... <sniff>

I'll be seeing you -- and if you miss my cranky curmudgeonry too much,
the e-mail is still valid (is your 'from' header a valid e-mail?)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

++?????++ Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start.
- /Interesting Times/ (Terry Pratchett)
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215134 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 11:51
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:3d2dnY1HxJa3snnenZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>
"Tim Peters" <tim.one [at] comcast.net> enriched us with:
>
> [Troels Forchhammer]
>>

<snip>

> Ah, Troels. You know there's a name for this, right? It's
> PHBPTSD: post-Half-Blood Prince traumatic stress disorder. It's
> characterized by nagging suspicions that the details of the world
> are irreconcilably inconsistent, and a profound fear that the very
> moral fabric underpinning existence won't make sense in the end.
> Advanced sufferers report symptoms strikingly similar to the
> aftermath of sustained serial Dementor attacks.
>
> I doubt that will make you feel better, but knowing there's a name
> for your disease should slow your growing sense of embittered
> isolation :-)

LOL!

Substitute '/her/ world' for 'the world' in the above, and you'll be
closer (I've never been subject to that particular delusion, just as
I look upon adults who dress up like witches and wizards as missing
the point ever so slightly, but of course I might be the one who's
missing the most).

Add to that a belief that this inconsistency and tears in the fabric
of the Potterverse are due rather to the lack of certain skills with
the author rather than any lack on the side of the readers.

>> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.
>
> You're more than welcome anytime, of course! You'll look in
> sooner if you follow my simple strategy for making difficult life
> decisions:
>
> - Pick a chapter from one of the Harry Potter books, and reread
> it at leisure, taking all the time it wants you to take. Pay
> special attention to what delights you (e.g., Mollywobbles),
> and special inattention to details (e.g., implicit assumptions
> that 2+2=37).

LOL!

Wonderful idea -- I do, however, wonder if I am capable of the latter
;-)

Another requirement would of course be the ability to put all the
discussions of the Potter fans out of the head while reading. Ah, to
be able to re-experience that feeling of reading a pristine plot.

> - Then close your eyes, picture yourself in the story, and simply
> ask "Now what would Hermione do in my position?".

Good choice there -- she is more reliable but less predictable than
her chosen soul-mate, <derogatory terms censored out> Ron Weasley,
and of course far, far cleverer and more intelligent (well, they do
say that opposites meet [or whatever the appropriate English adage
might be]).

> The good news is that, if you do this, you'll find yourself
> blessing a.f.h-p with your wisdom and good cheer much sooner than
> after book 7. The bad news is that you'll find yourself knitting
> a large quantity of misshapen hats :-)

Me? Knitting? That'd take a neat bit of magic, that ;-)

The last time I did any knitting at all was in 1989. My wife had to
knit a cap, but when she'd done about two inches, I discovered that
she had twisted the whole thing -- as the bearer of the bad news (my
inability to control my laughter might have been part of it), I got
to take the knitted bit apart and start out on an new, untwisted,
cap. I did perhaps a quarter of an inch before she couldn't stand to
look at it any longer and did the rest herself ;)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Giving in is no defeat.
Passing on is no retreat.
Selves are made to rise above.
You shall live in what you love.
- Piet Hein, /The Me Above the Me/
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215135 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 13:45
Lucy  
"Troels Forchhammer" wrote in message,
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.

the group will miss your wisdom and insight, I will miss you,your laughter
and gentleness, I remember you posting once " all newsgroups benefit from a
good troll". I think this newsgroup is simply the best because of a good
Troels"

>
> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

Before then I hope just to say hello. xxx

--
Lucy.
Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me
back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy.
Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, and Dumbledore is Hedwig-
Gimli
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215151 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 16:05
dvh  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.
>
<snip>
Troels, this group will not be the same without you. Your remarks were
always thoughtful and intelligent, and set the tone for the regulars.
Even more important, you were never discourteous or disrespectful of
others' views, and always patient with the newcomers. I hope a short
break from the group will convince you to return. Best wishes for you
and your family and I hope you are back in 2007.
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215155 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 16:18
helmut.p.einfalt  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly
> my family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.

Waddayamean? You simply *can't* let us alone, man!

Although I can understand the "decrease" part, your leaving is likely
to induce a considerable decrease in other people's interest and
enthusiasm for Potter-related discussions simply because many if not
most of your statements were major reasons for a regular look at
what's going on in this newsgroup.

> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

You're not serious, are you?

You should at least peep in once in a while, and be it to confirm your
preconcieved notion that nothing surprising is happening and that the
threads are circling around the ever same topics!

> If anyone are interested in continuing the Hogwarts Library or other
> stuff that I have kept (poster birthdays, poster book preferences,
> group posting history), they are welcome to e-mail me, and I will e-
> mail them the files. Please co-ordinate it between you.

No time. no space. Or vice versa.

> I shall miss the good people here,

<prophet mode>
You will be pretty surprised at finding out that you will miss even
the not-so-good people!
</prophet mode>

Have a nice time, Troels!

Helmut
--
All typos © My Knotty Fingers Ltd. Capacity Dept.
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215160 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 19:03
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:cwlNOSPAM-0402060545520001 [at] o4d61.o.pppool.de>
cwlNOSPAM [at] freenet.de (Green-Eyed Chris) enriched us with:
>
> In article <Xns97606868D3E6T.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4>, Troels
> Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>I will be taking an extended break from AFH-P.
>
> I sincerely hope that you will understand me correctly when I say
> that I saw your "Burning Day" coming:

I don't think this can be a surprise to many -- perhaps that I have
finally managed to pull myself together to actually do it ;)

<snip>

> Take VERY good care of your family Troels. No amount of Harry
> Potter (or Piet Hein) can possibly substitute for it.

Fortunately I can now truthfully say that I do know that very well.

> The *state* that you have already established has very good
> chances of survival.

I cannot in good conscience accept that /I/ have established anything
(beyond the Potterverse FAQ and Meta-FAQ), but I do hope (and think)
that I have been a part of establishing a reasonable climate for
discussions here.

> When I look at *de.alt.fan.harry-potter* I could literally vomit
> at the level of discussion I find there.

That bad? That doesn't sound good.

> I have only been here since the release of HBP, and am amazed at
> the "immensely heavy load" that you have carried.

Is there any way that I could possibly comment on that? Even had it
been really true?

>> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.
>
> 1. I don't recommend it. Remember "Back to the Future Part II"?:

Usenet, thank God, is different.

Here old posters can usually return, and settle back in.

The good thing is that there is no group that is dependant on one
particular poster -- the group will always move on, and sometimes, if
the poster has been very influential, the resulting reshuffling and
the freedom from such particularly influential opinions can do much
good for the group.

Then, as usual, if the poster returns it will be her duty to lurk and
adapt to the current style.

<snip>

>> If anyone are interested in continuing the Hogwarts Library
[...]
>
> If only I had the timeŠ

That reminds me to give a few estimates.

Depending on the situation -- I don't know what will be Steve's
position with respect to keeping the Libary on the Lexicon server --
it may require a few hours worth of work to set up the current
contents.

From there I would recommend that someone be found to maintain the
Meta-FAQ, another for the common room and a third for general site
maintenance. That way everybody should be able to manage with about
half an hour per week (assuming that the other answer-list authors
maintain their own works, and that all non-maintained works are put
in an 'old FAQs' directory).

The really time-consuming part is the 'open discussions' -- for me
the Potterverse FAQ. The research that has to go into any entry in
such a format (in particular if one wants to maintain at least the
attempt at a even-handed presentation), and the perpetual dripping of
new information from Rowling have made the time-consumption
prohibitive.

>> My e-mail remains valid -- both <t.forch [at] email.dk> and
>> <troelsfo [at] yahoo.dk>. Mails are clearly welcome.
>
> You may yet regret that.

Never.

> (Remember me as the only American who has a Nina & Frederik CD.)

Hey! The one where they sing with Satchmo? Or one of the others?

I /like/ them, but my father-in-law is crazy about it: he went to
Germany to see their concert with Satchmo . . .(I am /not/ envious --
I am /not/ envious -- I am /not/ envious . . . <G>)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

"I USHERED SOULS INTO THE NEXT WORLD. I WAS THE GRAVE OF
ALL HOPE. I WAS THE ULTIMATE REALITY. I WAS THE ASSASSIN
AGAINST WHOM NO LOCK WOULD HOLD.
"Yes, point taken, but do you have any particular skills?"
- Death consults a job broker, /Mort/ (Terry Pratchett)
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215168 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 20:36
Alex Clark  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.
>
> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

Oh NOOoooo! There goes the neighborhood! Here come the flamewars! Ring
out the Troels, ring in the trolls!

All right, so I exaggerate. But it has been nice having you around. I
look forward to your return. See you next Tuesday!

--
Alex Clark

Mad rot or evil mold (an anagram rejected by Tom Riddle)
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215171 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 21:22
bethbriuk  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.
>
(snip)

Enjoy your family and your break, Troels. You inspired me to carry on
when I got disillusioned with the trolls!
This ng will not be the same without your reasoned posts.
I look forward to your return.

BriD
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215172 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 21:24
Steve Morrison  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.
>
> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

Uh-oh... well, now the rest of us will have one more reason to
eagerly await book 7. (As if we needed more reason!)

Troels, it was you who got me interested in Harry Potter to begin
with. (I was going to post this anecdote on the "I don't know"
thread, but it had better go here instead.) Remember the thread on
the Tolkien newsgroups about whether the U.S. and U.K. anniversary
editions of LotR had the same text, which veered into a discussion
of the "wholesale" changes between the Bloomsbury and Scholastic
editions of the Harry Potter books? At the time, I had only read the
first HP book, and though I liked it a bit, wasn't really captivated
as I was by Tolkien. Then you posted a link to the Lexicon's page
about the changes between the editions (archived at
http://tinyurl.com/88ywm)
and I was curious enough to look at it -- and the Lexicon was enough
to convince me that I needed to read the rest of the series.
I got a copy of CoS -- and then was hooked by it, and spent the next
couple of weeks reading the rest of the series almost nonstop --
and then read all the essays on the Lexicon, ordered the Comic
Relief books, began lurking here, etc. (This was around November
2004.) Nothing like it had happened to me since I read Zelazny's
Amber books back in the 1980s.

Well, take care -- alt.fan.harry-potter without you is going to be
about like rec.arts.books.tolkien without Steuard Jensen, but in
both cases I realize that real life does have its demands.
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215193 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 02:49
JoeMo  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for
> Potter-related discussions, I will be taking an extended break from
> AFH-P.
>
> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.
>
> If anyone are interested in continuing the Hogwarts Library or other
> stuff that I have kept (poster birthdays, poster book preferences,
> group posting history), they are welcome to e-mail me, and I will e-
> mail them the files. Please co-ordinate it between you.
>
> My e-mail remains valid -- both <t.forch [at] email.dk> and
> <troelsfo [at] yahoo.dk>. Mails are clearly welcome.
>
> I shall miss the good people here, and eventually (I hope) also the
> Potter discussions, so once both time and enthusiasm reappear, I will
> be coming back (though I don't expect it to happen until we've all read
> book 7).
>
> I will unsubscribe with the end of this weekend.
>
> --
> Troels Forchhammer
> Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>
>
> Then suddenly the foresight of his kindred came to him, and
> he said: "But lo! Master Elrond, the years of your abiding
> run short at last, and the choice must soon be laid on your
> children, to part either with you or with Middle-earth.
> - Aragorn, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)

Though I'm hardly considered a regular here, I thought I'd tell you
that I'll miss you too. I had loads of fun discussing Potterverse
minutea with you in the weeks preceeding the release of HBP, when
nearly everyone else in the group had already stopped posting. And
afterwards, in the post HBP world, sifting through all the arguments
about Snape, Harry-is-a-Horcrux, and Dumbledore-is-not-dead theories,
it was always refreshing to check out one of your posts and read
something that I hadn't already seen before somewhere else. I wish you
the best.

JoeMo
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215197 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 04:53
Fish Eye no Miko  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fisheye [at] deadmoon.circus> enriched us with:
>> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>
>>> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.
>>
>> Or maybe if the next movie comes out first?
>
> I don't expect the film to be able to drag me back in :/

Ahh.. Ok. ^_^

>> Awww... I'll miss you. Troels... <hug>
>
> And I'll miss you, Catherine.

Aw, thanks!
{{{Troels}}}

>> Catherine Johnson. See ya, Troels... <sniff>
>
> I'll be seeing you -- and if you miss my cranky curmudgeonry
> too much, the e-mail is still valid (is your 'from' header a valid
> e-mail?)

Heh... no. My e-mail addy is in my .sig. It's spam blocked (I think),
but pretty easy to decipher. ^_^

Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"The more steps we take forward, the longer we see the path is ahead."
-Shou Tucker, _FullMetal Alchemist_.
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215211 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 11:24
Troels Forchhammer  
In message
<news:43e4c503$0$6911$91cee783 [at] newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>
"Helmut P. Einfalt" <helmut.p.einfalt [at] NOSPAM.aon.at> enriched us
with:
>
> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>

<snip>

>> I shall miss the good people here,
>
> <prophet mode>
> You will be pretty surprised at finding out that you will miss
> even the not-so-good people!
> </prophet mode>

I don't recall that we have any of those (not counting obvious trolls
as actual 'people', are we? Not that I think we've got any resident
trolls at the moment), nor do I think we've had any since we ran Pawz
out of town ;)

> Have a nice time, Troels!

And the same to all of you, obviously.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

They both savoured the strange warm glow of being much
more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant
of ordinary things.
- Discworld scientists at work, /Equal Rites/ (Terry Pratchett)
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215212 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 11:25
Troels Forchhammer  
In message
<news:1139084683.590572.112820 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Steve
Morrison" <Geirroeth [at] aol.com> enriched us with:
>

<snip>

> Troels, it was you who got me interested in Harry Potter to begin
> with.
[...]
> and the Lexicon was enough to convince me that I needed to read
> the rest of the series.

Wonderful -- I'll make sure that Steve reads this as well, as I'm sure
he'll be as delighted as I ;-) Thanks.

> Well, take care -- alt.fan.harry-potter without you is going to be
> about like rec.arts.books.tolkien without Steuard Jensen,

People have been heaping praise upon me in this thread to a degree
where it is quite embarrasing (and I wish that even half of it was
true), but this . . .

Steuard Jensen, for those who are not familiar with the Tolkien groups,
created the Tolkien Meta-FAQ that has been an inspiration for my own
version, and I generally consider him as setting the posting standard
the rest of us can only attempt to achieve. Being compared to Steuard
is, to me, a great praise (and thus obviously not true <G>), so thanks,
Steve -- I shall make Faramir's words about praise to my own.

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the
world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!
- Aragorn, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #215234 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 17:28
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:Xns97606868D3E6T.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4>
Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> enriched us with:
>

<snip>

> I will unsubscribe with the end of this weekend.

Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the
world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!
- Aragorn, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #217722 ] Mo, 06 Februar 2006 17:45
Kish  
Take care, Troels. The newsgroup won't be the same without you.
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #217794 ] Di, 07 Februar 2006 07:23
dicconf  
In article <Xns97607892DC9BCT.Forch [at] 130.133.1.4>,
Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>"Tim Peters" <tim.one [at] comcast.net> enriched us with:
>>
>> [Troels Forchhammer]
>
><snip>
>
>> Ah, Troels. You know there's a name for this, right? It's
>> PHBPTSD: post-Half-Blood Prince traumatic stress disorder.
<snip>
>Add to that a belief that this inconsistency and tears in the fabric
>of the Potterverse are due rather to the lack of certain skills with
>the author rather than any lack on the side of the readers.
>
>>> I hope to look in again once I've read book 7.

Oh poo. I was away and missed Troels's announcement. I hope you
can regain your enthusiasm, if not for afh-p then at least for the
story. I admit I've found my interest flagging lately.

<snip>
>> - Then close your eyes, picture yourself in the story, and simply
>> ask "Now what would Hermione do in my position?".

<snip>
>> The bad news is that you'll find yourself knitting
>> a large quantity of misshapen hats :-)
>
>Me? Knitting? That'd take a neat bit of magic, that ;-)
>
>The last time I did any knitting at all was in 1989. My wife had to
>knit a cap, but when she'd done about two inches, I discovered that
>she had twisted the whole thing -- as the bearer of the bad news (my
>inability to control my laughter might have been part of it), I got
>to take the knitted bit apart and start out on an new, untwisted,
>cap. I did perhaps a quarter of an inch before she couldn't stand to
>look at it any longer and did the rest herself ;)

She was just ahead of her time. The moebius hat and scarf are very
popular patterns now.

=Tamar
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #218107 ] Fr, 10 Februar 2006 14:56
richard e white  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> Due to increasing demands on my time for other things (particuarly my
> family), and a marked decrease in my interest and enthusiasm for

snip
It has been fun.
Hope to hear from you again.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #238668 ] So, 19 März 2006 11:21
Greg Fuller  
On 4 Feb 2006 10:51:13 GMT, Troels Forchhammer
<Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:

>In message <news:3d2dnY1HxJa3snnenZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>
>"Tim Peters" <tim.one [at] comcast.net> enriched us with:
>>
>> [Troels Forchhammer]
>>>
>
><snip>
>
>> Ah, Troels. You know there's a name for this, right? It's
>> PHBPTSD: post-Half-Blood Prince traumatic stress disorder. It's
>> characterized by nagging suspicions that the details of the world
>> are irreconcilably inconsistent, and a profound fear that the very
>> moral fabric underpinning existence won't make sense in the end.
>> Advanced sufferers report symptoms strikingly similar to the
>> aftermath of sustained serial Dementor attacks.

This very neatly sums up a feeling which began troubling me in Book 5
and became more acute with Book 6.

[snip]

>Add to that a belief that this inconsistency and tears in the fabric
>of the Potterverse are due rather to the lack of certain skills with
>the author rather than any lack on the side of the readers.

And that too.

The sense of verisimilitude and of a well-paced and well-plotted
storyline which was so strong through the first four books has been
slipping away in the last two books. As delightful as they've been in
many ways, not much happened in them to further the storyline, at
least not until the very end of Book Six, and some of what did happen
makes no sense, like Dumbledore's failure to ever really train Harry
to face Voldemort, leaving me with the nagging suspicion that the
final resolution in Book Seven is going to be far too rushed, unless
Book Seven is humongous, less than convincing, and less than
satisfying. And, as suggested above, with the suspicion that in the
end the whole thing simply won't make sense internally when you really
think about it.

As of the end of Book Four, I thought I'd be sad when the series
ended. Now if feels more like I'm running a marathon which I'm
determined to finish, but I'm going to feel relieved when the end
finally comes, and I suspect at least a bit disappointed as well.

Maybe it was too much to hope that it would be otherwise. But I can't
helping feeling that it would have been much better if JKR hadn't
slowed the pace after Book Four but had instead finished the series in
six books instead of seven. And she could have still had her seventh
book by making it an extended epilogue describing what the surviving
characters did in later life.


Greg
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #239252 ] Mi, 22 März 2006 20:43
Mishagam  
Greg Fuller wrote:

> On 4 Feb 2006 10:51:13 GMT, Troels Forchhammer
> <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>In message <news:3d2dnY1HxJa3snnenZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>
>>"Tim Peters" <tim.one [at] comcast.net> enriched us with:
>>
>>>[Troels Forchhammer]
>>>
>><snip>
>>
>>
>>>Ah, Troels. You know there's a name for this, right? It's
>>>PHBPTSD: post-Half-Blood Prince traumatic stress disorder. It's
>>>characterized by nagging suspicions that the details of the world
>>>are irreconcilably inconsistent, and a profound fear that the very
>>>moral fabric underpinning existence won't make sense in the end.
>>>Advanced sufferers report symptoms strikingly similar to the
>>>aftermath of sustained serial Dementor attacks.
>
>
> This very neatly sums up a feeling which began troubling me in Book 5
> and became more acute with Book 6.
>
> [snip]
>
>
>>Add to that a belief that this inconsistency and tears in the fabric
>>of the Potterverse are due rather to the lack of certain skills with
>>the author rather than any lack on the side of the readers.
>
>
> And that too.
>
> The sense of verisimilitude and of a well-paced and well-plotted
> storyline which was so strong through the first four books has been
> slipping away in the last two books. As delightful as they've been in
> many ways, not much happened in them to further the storyline, at
> least not until the very end of Book Six, and some of what did happen
> makes no sense, like Dumbledore's failure to ever really train Harry
> to face Voldemort, leaving me with the nagging suspicion that the
> final resolution in Book Seven is going to be far too rushed, unless
> Book Seven is humongous, less than convincing, and less than
> satisfying. And, as suggested above, with the suspicion that in the
> end the whole thing simply won't make sense internally when you really
> think about it.
>
> As of the end of Book Four, I thought I'd be sad when the series
> ended. Now if feels more like I'm running a marathon which I'm
> determined to finish, but I'm going to feel relieved when the end
> finally comes, and I suspect at least a bit disappointed as well.
>
> Maybe it was too much to hope that it would be otherwise. But I can't
> helping feeling that it would have been much better if JKR hadn't
> slowed the pace after Book Four but had instead finished the series in
> six books instead of seven. And she could have still had her seventh
> book by making it an extended epilogue describing what the surviving
> characters did in later life.
>
>
> Greg
>
I completely agree with previous authors. I also think Rowling writing
skills doesn't include ability to write battle scenes - look on the mess
in book 5.
I am also afraid that she plans to move Harry through remaining plot
without killing anybody - which will stretch credibility even stronger.
Re: The Final Book. [message #239343 ] Do, 23 März 2006 21:04
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Mishagam wrote:

> I think Rowling writing skills doesn't include ability to write battle
> scenes - look on the mess in book 5.

I agree.


> I am also afraid that she plans to move Harry through remaining plot
> without killing anybody - which will stretch credibility even stronger.

Harry made his first kill already, in book 1.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

--
Free Margaret Blaine now!
Re: The Final Book. [message #239357 ] Do, 23 März 2006 23:52
wadkin2000  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> Mishagam wrote:
>
> > I think Rowling writing skills doesn't include ability to write battle
> > scenes - look on the mess in book 5.
>
> I agree.
>
>
> > I am also afraid that she plans to move Harry through remaining plot
> > without killing anybody - which will stretch credibility even stronger.
>
> Harry made his first kill already, in book 1.
>
>
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
>
> --
> Free Margaret Blaine now!


I'm going to ask this question out of sheer curiousity...What exactly
is it about OOTP that you didn't like? The reason I'm asking is
because I really, really, liked the book. I'm just wondering if I'm
missing something
Re: The Final Book. [message #239370 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 02:10
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Wadkin2000 wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Mishagam wrote:

>>> I think Rowling writing skills doesn't include ability to write battle
>>> scenes - look on the mess in book 5.

>> I agree.


>>> I am also afraid that she plans to move Harry through remaining plot
>>> without killing anybody - which will stretch credibility even
> stronger.

>> Harry made his first kill already, in book 1.

> I'm going to ask this question out of sheer curiousity...What exactly
> is it about OOTP that you didn't like? The reason I'm asking is
> because I really, really, liked the book. I'm just wondering if I'm
> missing something

I didn't like the tedious battle scenes, as mentioned above.

There was much to like about book 5, though it's no book 3.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

--
Free Margaret Blaine now!
Re: . . . and thanks for all the fish! [message #239428 ] Fr, 24 März 2006 16:57
Emerald Elbereth  
In article <c49q1210v5lmgqji5nlejrir2cphelall8 [at] 4ax.com>,
Greg Fuller <gf14159 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 4 Feb 2006 10:51:13 GMT, Troels Forchhammer
> <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In message <news:3d2dnY1HxJa3snnenZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>
> >"Tim Peters" <tim.one [at] comcast.net> enriched us with:
> >>
> >> [Troels Forchhammer]
> >>>
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> Ah, Troels. You know there's a name for this, right? It's
> >> PHBPTSD: post-Half-Blood Prince traumatic stress disorder. It's
> >> characterized by nagging suspicions that the details of the world
> >> are irreconcilably inconsistent, and a profound fear that the very
> >> moral fabric underpinning existence won't make sense in the end.
> >> Advanced sufferers report symptoms strikingly similar to the
> >> aftermath of sustained serial Dementor attacks.
>
> This very neatly sums up a feeling which began troubling me in Book 5
> and became more acute with Book 6.
>
> [snip]
>
> >Add to that a belief that this inconsistency and tears in the fabric
> >of the Potterverse are due rather to the lack of certain skills with
> >the author rather than any lack on the side of the readers.
>
> And that too.
>
> The sense of verisimilitude and of a well-paced and well-plotted
> storyline which was so strong through the first four books has been
> slipping away in the last two books. As delightful as they've been in
> many ways, not much happened in them to further the storyline, at
> least not until the very end of Book Six, and some of what did happen
> makes no sense, like Dumbledore's failure to ever really train Harry
> to face Voldemort, leaving me with the nagging suspicion that the
> final resolution in Book Seven is going to be far too rushed, unless
> Book Seven is humongous, less than convincing, and less than
> satisfying. And, as suggested above, with the suspicion that in the
> end the whole thing simply won't make sense internally when you really
> think about it.
>
> As of the end of Book Four, I thought I'd be sad when the series
> ended. Now if feels more like I'm running a marathon which I'm
> determined to finish, but I'm going to feel relieved when the end
> finally comes, and I suspect at least a bit disappointed as well.
>
> Maybe it was too much to hope that it would be otherwise. But I can't
> helping feeling that it would have been much better if JKR hadn't
> slowed the pace after Book Four but had instead finished the series in
> six books instead of seven. And she could have still had her seventh
> book by making it an extended epilogue describing what the surviving
> characters did in later life.
>
>
> Greg

I so agree with all of the above (which is why I didn't snip a single
word, as I should have for brevity's sake), and am feeling less lonesome
and empty of all enthusiasm for things Potter now that I've read your
post. Still, I don't check back here much these days. It's been a
month, actually, and monthly seems more than sufficient. Hope to feel
differently after the 7th book, but if not will continue to treasure the
first four, and re-read them on occasion.

Em
Re: The Final Book. [message #239476 ] Sa, 25 März 2006 00:13
simdave2000  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> Mishagam wrote:
>
> > I think Rowling writing skills doesn't include ability to write battle
> > scenes - look on the mess in book 5.
>
> I agree.
>
>
> > I am also afraid that she plans to move Harry through remaining plot
> > without killing anybody - which will stretch credibility even stronger.
>
> Harry made his first kill already, in book 1.
>
>
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
>
> --
> Free Margaret Blaine now!

That's incorrect. Quirrel died when Voldemort left his body, Harry did
not kill him, nor see him die (ES/MA interview with JKR, July 16,
2005).

--David
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