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Microsoft [message #213431] Mi, 01 Februar 2006 11:58
Viriatha de Cordova  
This company is usually seen as an evil, greedy conglomerate -
more interested in itself than in the greater good:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/200 2775010_msnbblog01.html

Selfless honesty or enlightened self-interest?

--
Lady Viriatha Atyriv de Cordova y Elenia

http://www.tdzk.com/

DC2.~Dw/H Gf L/- Cbl/fs Bfl A? Fr++(tomato)
Nu M++ O+++ H++ $ Fj/v~ R++ Ac++ J S+++ U
I V+++ Tc+ E+ <69 CPs> Keeper of the Tasty
Beverage, Niftian, Mistress of Multi-Tasking,
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Freedom is just a hallucination created by a pathological lack of
paranoia.
Re: Microsoft [message #213441 ] Do, 02 Februar 2006 01:19
darkside  
Lady Viriatha de Cordova <viri_cordova [at] yahoo.com> writes:

> This company is usually seen as an evil, greedy conglomerate -
> more interested in itself than in the greater good:
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/200 2775010_msnbblog01.html
>
> Selfless honesty or enlightened self-interest?

Hard to say. Ole' Bill seems to be getting into philanthropy pretty
hard - he's leaving more money to charity than to his children, for
example. Gates' thinking seems to be aligned with Rockafeller's (sp?):
I can't take it with me, so I may as well do some good.

I haven't noticed this in Microsoft company policy before, though. It
would be an interesting trend.

--
darkside

DC2.Da G"two-spirit" L W-- T- Phvlwlt Sks,wl Cwl,pu B- A(rv+++)
Fr^++"pomegranate" Nw M+++! O H-- $ Fv R++ Ac~ J++ S- U I--# V+
Q+ Tc+++![sw] E++

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Email: darksidex at charter dot net
Re: Microsoft [message #213447 ] Do, 02 Februar 2006 02:34
Scott L  
On a dark and stormy night, Lady Viriatha de Cordova whispered:

> This company is usually seen as an evil, greedy conglomerate - more
> interested in itself than in the greater good:
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/200 2775010_ms
> nbblog01.html
>
> Selfless honesty or enlightened self-interest?

That's simply pure greed. Anybody who "fights the good fight" for
freedom of speech wins in the PR battle. Further, by resisting setting
up something different for each set of government restrictions, they
save money. Further still, they have effectively *given* the
restrictive governments a structured method by which they can be shut
down, winning them the PR battle with the governments as well. You
see, they create the public desire to go to their sites just to test
them and see if they can deliver - increasing visibility (thus
influence and marketability). Then they effectively cheapen and
simplify the access blocking process by giving restrictive governments
the means to have *all* such content from whole locations blocked with
a single request; this allows them to satisfy government restrictions
with a single action (blocking location access to specific features)
rather than multiple repeated actions (removing individual instances
one at a time).

Just a Monkey,

Scott,

--
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Re: Microsoft [message #213451 ] Do, 02 Februar 2006 03:02
Kalos Kalyre  
Lady Viriatha de Cordova wrote:
> This company is usually seen as an evil, greedy conglomerate - more
> interested in itself than in the greater good:
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/200 2775010_msnbblog01.html
>
>
> Selfless honesty or enlightened self-interest?
>
I don't think anybody's completely evil. Even Darth Vader had a heart
hidden behind that black chestplate of his.

Or it very well could be self interest. They don't want some government
standing between them and the valuable Chinese customers.

I think it's probably a combination of both - Microsoft isn't just one
person, it's a whole bunch of people. I even considered buying a bit of
it myself once.

--
-Kalos

Peace and peppermint cheesecake to all.

Bearer of one Pickaxe of Icebreaking from Flame Stryke.

DC2.Dw Gm L- W-- T Phwaplt Sks,wl,bh Cja-\bz,v~ Bfl A- Fr- N? M--- O H++
$~ F+~ R* Ac++ J+ S---! U- I---# V-- Q---! Tc++[QBASIC] E+
The Dragon Classification Project calls me a: class Xenosauria
(xeno=strange, saur=lizard), subclass Pterosauria (Lizard Dragon), order
Squamadraconia (Scales Dragon), suborder Draconia (Western Dragon),
family Pterodraconia (General Western Dragon), genus [unnamed; finned,
spiked, serpentine in width], species {genus name} parvus (parvus=small)

See my art at http://kaloskalyre.deviantart.com/

"True happiness comes when we stop complaining about all the troubles we
have and offer thanks for all the troubles we don't have." -Unknown
Re: Microsoft [message #213488 ] Do, 02 Februar 2006 23:08
Kiantis Gavenji  
Kalos Kalyre wrote:
> Lady Viriatha de Cordova wrote:
>> This company is usually seen as an evil, greedy conglomerate - more
>> interested in itself than in the greater good:
>>
>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/200 2775010_msnbblog01.html
>>
>>
>> Selfless honesty or enlightened self-interest?
>>
> I don't think anybody's completely evil. Even Darth Vader had a heart
> hidden behind that black chestplate of his.

Uh, but ask Palpatine for that...

>
> Or it very well could be self interest. They don't want some government
> standing between them and the valuable Chinese customers.
>
> I think it's probably a combination of both - Microsoft isn't just one
> person, it's a whole bunch of people. I even considered buying a bit of
> it myself once.
>

Microsoft is the evil. (i think there is also a trademark in this phrase
or am i wrong?)


--

Kiantis Gavenji
Re: Microsoft [message #213489 ] Do, 02 Februar 2006 23:11
Kalos Kalyre  
Kiantis Gavenji wrote:

>>> This company is usually seen as an evil, greedy conglomerate - more
>>> interested in itself than in the greater good:
>>>
>>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/200 2775010_msnbblog01.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Selfless honesty or enlightened self-interest?
>>>
>> I don't think anybody's completely evil. Even Darth Vader had a heart
>> hidden behind that black chestplate of his.
>
> Uh, but ask Palpatine for that...

Try asking Luke. Palpatine would have killed him in Episode 6 had it not
been for Vader.
>
>>
>> Or it very well could be self interest. They don't want some
>> government standing between them and the valuable Chinese customers.
>>
>> I think it's probably a combination of both - Microsoft isn't just one
>> person, it's a whole bunch of people. I even considered buying a bit
>> of it myself once.
>>
>
> Microsoft is the evil. (i think there is also a trademark in this phrase
> or am i wrong?)
>

I've never heard of that trademark.

>


--
-Kalos

Peace and peppermint cheesecake to all.

Bearer of one Pickaxe of Icebreaking from Flame Stryke and one Yellow
Rose of Friendship from Gilraen.

DC2.Dw Gm L- W-- T Phwaplt Sks,wl,bh Cja-\bz,v~ Bfl A- Fr- N? M--- O H++
$~ F+~ R* Ac++ J+ S---! U- I---# V-- Q---! Tc++[QBASIC] E+
The Dragon Classification Project calls me a: class Xenosauria
(xeno=strange, saur=lizard), subclass Pterosauria (Lizard Dragon), order
Squamadraconia (Scales Dragon), suborder Draconia (Western Dragon),
family Pterodraconia (General Western Dragon), genus [unnamed; finned,
spiked, serpentine in width], species {genus name} parvus (parvus=small)

See my art at http://kaloskalyre.deviantart.com/

"Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what
nobody has thought." -Albert von Szent-Gyorgyi, in Irving Good, The
Scientist Speculates (1962)
Re: Microsoft [message #213501 ] Fr, 03 Februar 2006 04:48
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 02 Feb 2006, Kalos Kalyre was found to have scratched
news:Va-dnQAd8uIKHn_eRVn-jA [at] comcast.com on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:

>>> I don't think anybody's completely evil. Even Darth Vader had a
>>> heart hidden behind that black chestplate of his.
>> Uh, but ask Palpatine for that...
> Try asking Luke. Palpatine would have killed him in Episode 6 had it
> not been for Vader.

Ever notice that Luke had more power than all the Master Jedi out there?
None of them could turn Anakin back from the dark side, but Luke managed
it, and he wasn't 100% trained as a Master, he was still technically a
Knight at the time.



Lord Flame Stryke

--
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Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++
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Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos

--
"America was discovered by Amerigo Vespucci and was named after him, until
people got tired of living in a place called "Vespuccia" and changed its
name to "America"." -- Mike Harding, "The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac"
Re: Microsoft [message #213502 ] Fr, 03 Februar 2006 05:14
Kalos Kalyre  
Lord Flame Stryke wrote:
> On 02 Feb 2006, Kalos Kalyre was found to have scratched
> news:Va-dnQAd8uIKHn_eRVn-jA [at] comcast.com on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
>>>> I don't think anybody's completely evil. Even Darth Vader had a
>>>> heart hidden behind that black chestplate of his.
>>> Uh, but ask Palpatine for that...
>> Try asking Luke. Palpatine would have killed him in Episode 6 had it
>> not been for Vader.
>
> Ever notice that Luke had more power than all the Master Jedi out there?
> None of them could turn Anakin back from the dark side, but Luke managed
> it, and he wasn't 100% trained as a Master, he was still technically a
> Knight at the time.
>

It wasn't really Luke who did it, it was the Emperor trying to kill
Vader's only son.

I'm wondering: How did Palpatine come up with the name Vader? Did he
know that Vader would be the father of such an important person?

--
-Kalos

Peace and peppermint cheesecake to all.

Bearer of one Pickaxe of Icebreaking from Flame Stryke and one Yellow
Rose of Friendship from Gilraen.

DC2.Dw Gm L- W-- T Phwaplt Sks,wl,bh Cja-\bz,v~ Bfl A- Fr- N? M--- O H++
$~ F+~ R* Ac++ J+ S---! U- I---# V-- Q---! Tc++[QBASIC] E+
The Dragon Classification Project calls me a: class Xenosauria
(xeno=strange, saur=lizard), subclass Pterosauria (Lizard Dragon), order
Squamadraconia (Scales Dragon), suborder Draconia (Western Dragon),
family Pterodraconia (General Western Dragon), genus [unnamed; finned,
spiked, serpentine in width], species {genus name} parvus (parvus=small)

See my art at http://kaloskalyre.deviantart.com/

"Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what
nobody has thought." -Albert von Szent-Gyorgyi, in Irving Good, The
Scientist Speculates (1962)
Re: Microsoft [message #213526 ] Fr, 03 Februar 2006 13:42
Scott L  
On a dark and stormy night, Lord Flame Stryke whispered:

> On 02 Feb 2006, Kalos Kalyre was found to have scratched
> news:Va-dnQAd8uIKHn_eRVn-jA [at] comcast.com on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> >>> I don't think anybody's completely evil. Even Darth Vader had a
> >>> heart hidden behind that black chestplate of his.
> >> Uh, but ask Palpatine for that...
> > Try asking Luke. Palpatine would have killed him in Episode 6 had it
> > not been for Vader.
>
> Ever notice that Luke had more power than all the Master Jedi out
> there? None of them could turn Anakin back from the dark side, but
> Luke managed it, and he wasn't 100% trained as a Master, he was still
> technically a Knight at the time.

Actually, still technically a padawan learner - he hadn't passed his
final test of defeating Vader.

Just a Monkey,

Scott,

--
Visit me at http://4dw.net/moonfriend/index.html
Find the KMG (KY/Midwest Gather) at http://www.wertle.com/midwest.html
Re: Microsoft [message #213541 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 10:28
Viriatha de Cordova  
darkside wrote:

> Hard to say. Ole' Bill seems to be getting into philanthropy pretty
> hard - he's leaving more money to charity than to his children, for
> example. Gates' thinking seems to be aligned with Rockafeller's (sp?):
> I can't take it with me, so I may as well do some good.
>
> I haven't noticed this in Microsoft company policy before, though. It
> would be an interesting trend.

I know several schools in this area have benefited from his
computer in schools thingie but that could be argued
self-interest; once they're Dependant, they have to buy from them
after all.

--
Lady Viriatha Atyriv de Cordova y Elenia

http://www.tdzk.com/

DC2.~Dw/H Gf L/- Cbl/fs Bfl A? Fr++(tomato)
Nu M++ O+++ H++ $ Fj/v~ R++ Ac++ J S+++ U
I V+++ Tc+ E+ <69 CPs> Keeper of the Tasty
Beverage, Niftian, Mistress of Multi-Tasking,
Friend to Sock Puppets Everywhere

Freedom is just a hallucination created by a pathological lack of
paranoia.
Re: Microsoft [message #213542 ] Sa, 04 Februar 2006 10:29
Viriatha de Cordova  
Kalos Kalyre wrote:

> I think it's probably a combination of both - Microsoft isn't just one
> person, it's a whole bunch of people. I even considered buying a bit of
> it myself once.

*nods* I very much think you could be right.

--
Lady Viriatha Atyriv de Cordova y Elenia

http://www.tdzk.com/

DC2.~Dw/H Gf L/- Cbl/fs Bfl A? Fr++(tomato)
Nu M++ O+++ H++ $ Fj/v~ R++ Ac++ J S+++ U
I V+++ Tc+ E+ <69 CPs> Keeper of the Tasty
Beverage, Niftian, Mistress of Multi-Tasking,
Friend to Sock Puppets Everywhere

Freedom is just a hallucination created by a pathological lack of
paranoia.
Re: Microsoft [message #213568 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 03:11
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 02 Feb 2006, Kalos Kalyre was found to have scratched
news:H-CdnUWiiZkwRX_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d [at] comcast.com on a rock in
alt.fan.dragons:

> I'm wondering: How did Palpatine come up with the name Vader? Did he
> know that Vader would be the father of such an important person?

It probably means something in the Sith tongue.



Lord Flame Stryke

--
DC2.D~ Gm L120f60t180w W T Phawlt Sks Cbk,ere' Bfl A+++! Fr++ Nm M+ O H+ $
Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++
Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos

--
"Windows XP crashes about 3 times a day..... If my computer's on, the
number rises exponentially." -- Flame Stryke
Re: Microsoft [message #213572 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 03:19
Kalos Kalyre  
Lord Flame Stryke wrote:
> On 02 Feb 2006, Kalos Kalyre was found to have scratched
> news:H-CdnUWiiZkwRX_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d [at] comcast.com on a rock in
> alt.fan.dragons:
>
>> I'm wondering: How did Palpatine come up with the name Vader? Did he
>> know that Vader would be the father of such an important person?
>
> It probably means something in the Sith tongue.
>

In reality it's the root of our word "father", and since they speak
modern English so well I'd guess it probably has a similar meaning for them.

--
-Kalos

Peace and peppermint cheesecake to all.

Bearer of one Pickaxe of Icebreaking from Flame Stryke and one Yellow
Rose of Friendship from Gilraen.

DC2.Dw Gm L- W-- T Phwaplt Sks,wl,bh Cja-\bz,v~ Bfl A- Fr- N? M--- O H++
$~ F+~ R* Ac++ J+ S---! U- I---# V-- Q---! Tc++[QBASIC] E+
The Dragon Classification Project calls me a: class Xenosauria
(xeno=strange, saur=lizard), subclass Pterosauria (Lizard Dragon), order
Squamadraconia (Scales Dragon), suborder Draconia (Western Dragon),
family Pterodraconia (General Western Dragon), genus [unnamed; finned,
spiked, serpentine in width], species {genus name} parvus (parvus=small)

See my art at http://kaloskalyre.deviantart.com/

"Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what
nobody has thought." -Albert von Szent-Gyorgyi, in Irving Good, The
Scientist Speculates (1962)
Re: Microsoft [message #213584 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 04:30
Zarris  
Kalos Kalyre wrote:
> Lord Flame Stryke wrote:
>
>> On 02 Feb 2006, Kalos Kalyre was found to have scratched
>> news:H-CdnUWiiZkwRX_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d [at] comcast.com on a rock in
>> alt.fan.dragons:
>>
>>> I'm wondering: How did Palpatine come up with the name Vader? Did he
>>> know that Vader would be the father of such an important person?
>>
>>
>> It probably means something in the Sith tongue.
>>
>
> In reality it's the root of our word "father", and since they speak
> modern English so well I'd guess it probably has a similar meaning for
> them.
>

isnt german for father 'vater'?

--
Zarris

dragoncode: DC2.Dw Gm L- W T- Phvfwvl^t Sks Cbl+,bwh%,cbk,egy,vbk,wwh%
Bfl A- Fr++ Nm M- O H++ $+++ Fo-- R+++ Ac++ J+ S-- U-- I V-- Q Tc++[ntwk] E

journal: http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=zarris
Vader (was Re: Microsoft) [message #213591 ] So, 05 Februar 2006 06:50
Kalos Kalyre  
Zarris wrote:
>>>> I'm wondering: How did Palpatine come up with the name Vader? Did he
>>>> know that Vader would be the father of such an important person?
>>>
>>> It probably means something in the Sith tongue.
>>>
>>
>> In reality it's the root of our word "father", and since they speak
>> modern English so well I'd guess it probably has a similar meaning for
>> them.
>>
>
> isnt german for father 'vater'?
>

Sure is.

--
-Kalos

Peace and peppermint cheesecake to all.

Bearer of one Pickaxe of Icebreaking from Flame Stryke and one Yellow
Rose of Friendship from Gilraen.

DC2.Dw Gm L- W-- T Phwaplt Sks,wl,bh Cja-\bz,v~ Bfl A- Fr- N? M--- O H++
$~ F+~ R* Ac++ J+ S---! U- I---# V-- Q---! Tc++[QBASIC] E+
The Dragon Classification Project calls me a: class Xenosauria
(xeno=strange, saur=lizard), subclass Pterosauria (Lizard Dragon), order
Squamadraconia (Scales Dragon), suborder Draconia (Western Dragon),
family Pterodraconia (General Western Dragon), genus [unnamed; finned,
spiked, serpentine in width], species {genus name} parvus (parvus=small)

See my art at http://kaloskalyre.deviantart.com/

"Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what
nobody has thought." -Albert von Szent-Gyorgyi, in Irving Good, The
Scientist Speculates (1962)
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