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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » Tolkien theatre
| Tolkien theatre [message #210228] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 14:34 |
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This post is a spin-off from another thread in RABT, where the subject
of an old LotR stage production came up. It got me wondering how many
different stage productions there have been over the years of material
from Tolkien's books. I'm sure there have been plenty of short, one-off
theatrical productions by fans and amateur dramatic groups, ranging in
quality from rather dodgy to very good, and in length from a few minutes
to several hours, but what I was wondering was what shows people can
remember being staged by "official", "professional" groups?
I can remember a stage production of 'The Hobbit' in London in about
1989. There is also the upcoming LotR musical in Toronto, Canada.
Can anyone add to this?
Christopher
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| Re: Tolkien theatre [message #210241 ] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 18:01 |
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Christopher Kreuzer arranged shapes to form:
> This post is a spin-off from another thread in RABT, where the subject
> of an old LotR stage production came up. It got me wondering how many
> different stage productions there have been over the years of material
> from Tolkien's books. I'm sure there have been plenty of short, one-off
> theatrical productions by fans and amateur dramatic groups, ranging in
> quality from rather dodgy to very good, and in length from a few minutes
> to several hours, but what I was wondering was what shows people can
> remember being staged by "official", "professional" groups?
>
> I can remember a stage production of 'The Hobbit' in London in about
> 1989. There is also the upcoming LotR musical in Toronto, Canada.
>
> Can anyone add to this?
>
Vaguely,yes!
I remember seeing a one-man-show of the Hobbit, done by Robert Inglis (I
think ( he mentions doing one here:
http://www.audiofilemagazine.com/RobInglis.html ) in the early 1990's if I
remember correctly. It was a professional production at the local theater,
so was probably touring the UK.
It was good fun. Gandalf was a large cardboard cut-out, but most of the
other characters were conveyed though voice and pose (although I think
there was a costume for smaug?). The name-calling at the spiders was turned
into a bit of pantomime, with the audience being asked to shout out
'natter-snatch' and the other things Bilbo shouted at them to confuse them.
I remember getting a thin programme and it also mentioned a LOTR
production. If I can find it i'll post details.
Last time I was in Oxford (erm 2002?) there were posters for a different
stage production of the Hobbit. The poster looked quite psychedelic, and
that put me off seeing it. Googling for Oxford 2002 hobbit play:
http://www.dailyinfo.co.uk/reviews/theatre/hob.htm
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| Re: Tolkien theatre [message #210244 ] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 18:44 |
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Davémon" <"davémon <"davémon" [at] nospam.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I remember seeing a one-man-show of the Hobbit, done by Robert Inglis
> (I think ( he mentions doing one here:
> http://www.audiofilemagazine.com/RobInglis.html ) in the early 1990's
> if I remember correctly. It was a professional production at the
> local theater, so was probably touring the UK.
<snip>
> Last time I was in Oxford (erm 2002?) there were posters for a
> different stage production of the Hobbit. The poster looked quite
> psychedelic, and that put me off seeing it. Googling for Oxford 2002
> hobbit play: http://www.dailyinfo.co.uk/reviews/theatre/hob.htm
Thanks for these.
I liked this from that last link:
"The Shire, a country of dumpy nicotine addicts called hobbits... [they]
travel, as far as I can judge from the map helpfully printed at the back
of the programme, somewhere in the region of 170 miles (a long way, if
you are short and you smoke)."
LOL!
You've inspired me to Google hoping to find my two references.
What I've found so far:
http://www.garlandcivictheatre.org/cos/productions.php?pid=5 3
http://www.albemarle-london.com/hobbit.html
http://www.childrenstheatre.org/2005/hobbit.html
http://www.s-t.com/daily/03-00/03-02-00/c01li093.htm
http://www.savident.com/CurrentProductions/thehobbit.htm
http://www.stthomasu.ca/~hunt/reviews/hobbit.htm
One coming up later this year:
http://www.marblefalls.info/articles/2005/07/2453578-99184.h tml
I gave up on page 1 of 349,000 Google hits for "the hobbit" theatre.
Couldn't find the play I remember from around 1989, but it looks like
'The Hobbit' is a perenial favourite of theatre directors.
The LotR, being longer, is less common:
http://thelordoftheringsmusical.com/
And unfortunately all the references are being swamped by this one.
"Play" includes lots of RPG stuff. "Theatre" includes many references to
"movie theatres" and the LotR films. I tried excluding "film", "movie"
and "musical" from a search, but it didn't help much. Even amateur
dramatics gets too much film stuff. :-(
Christopher
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| Re: Tolkien theatre [message #210259 ] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 20:31 |
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Christopher Kreuzer arranged shapes to form:
> Davémon" <"davémon <"davémon" [at] nospam.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> http://www.audiofilemagazine.com/RobInglis.html
>> http://www.dailyinfo.co.uk/reviews/theatre/hob.htm
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> Thanks for these.
>
NP.
<snip>
>
> "The Shire, a country of dumpy nicotine addicts called hobbits... "
if you'd seen the poster, you'd doubt it was tobacco in their pipes!
>
> What I've found so far:
>
> http://www.garlandcivictheatre.org/cos/productions.php?pid=5 3
> http://www.albemarle-london.com/hobbit.html
> http://www.childrenstheatre.org/2005/hobbit.html
> http://www.s-t.com/daily/03-00/03-02-00/c01li093.htm
> http://www.savident.com/CurrentProductions/thehobbit.htm
> http://www.stthomasu.ca/~hunt/reviews/hobbit.htm
>
wow!
> One coming up later this year:
>
> http://www.marblefalls.info/articles/2005/07/2453578-99184.h tml
>
> I gave up on page 1 of 349,000 Google hits for "the hobbit" theatre.
> Couldn't find the play I remember from around 1989, but it looks like
> 'The Hobbit' is a perenial favourite of theatre directors.
>
Various "Hobbit/Gandalf/Smaug puppet" searches:
http://www.spiritsdancing.com/puppets/pictures/hobbitpics.ht ml
http://www.figurentheater-wildevogel.de/
Figurentheater_Wilde___Vogel_E/Repertoire/The_Hobbit_e/the_h obbit_e.html
(url broke over 2 lines)
http://www.otherhandproductions.com/smaug.html
http://www.nwpuppet.org/hobbitschool.html
(gollum looking like the creature from the black lagoon!)
> The LotR, being longer, is less common:
>
> http://thelordoftheringsmusical.com/
>
<horror>
very slight reference to a 1997 sell out:
http://www.theatresansfil.com/en/highlights.html
I'm not sure that fan-knitted finger puppets count:
http://www003.upp.so-net.ne.jp/imaga/yubi-geki/lotr/fotr-gek i/fotr-op.html
LOTR street theater?
http://www.looneycreations.com/Seiten/Looney/Tolkien/index.h tm
http://www.clearstagecincinnati.com/rotk/index.html
I also looked at the Wikipedia entry for The Hobbit and note that there
(were) no references to stage adaptations /at all/ - under adaptations, so
have added the Ingels (although it needs a chronology).
The current Wikipedia LOTR has heavy bias towards the new musical, but does
mention some other productions (including the clear stage cinicati one)
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Davémon
http://www.nightsoil.co.uk/
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| Re: Tolkien theatre [message #210269 ] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 23:07 |
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Davémon" <"davémon <"davémon" [at] nospam.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Various "Hobbit/Gandalf/Smaug puppet" searches:
>
> http://www.spiritsdancing.com/puppets/pictures/hobbitpics.ht ml
Kangaroo claws. Nice! It looks like a trial run for Weta Workshop.
> http://www.figurentheater-wildevogel.de/
I like the pictures, but am having great difficulty working out what
scenes of 'The Hobbit' they are showing.
http://tinyurl.com/9h5wc
I'm guessing Bilbo in a barrel.
http://tinyurl.com/adbsd
Could be a troll there somewhere?
http://tinyurl.com/7l5se
Gollum??? On someone's knee???
Or is this the animator moving the puppet?
http://tinyurl.com/8hbof
Is that Gandalf and a beard at left?
http://tinyurl.com/967to
Some guy in a white sheet. Don't remember ghosts in 'The Hobbit'...
http://tinyurl.com/bd63a
Another old guy in a white sheet.
http://tinyurl.com/8olf7
Gollum sitting on a hat!
> http://www.otherhandproductions.com/smaug.html
Ooh! A lycra-clad Smaug! :-)
> http://www.nwpuppet.org/hobbitschool.html
> (gollum looking like the creature from the black lagoon!)
LOL! That's really funny!
>> The LotR, being longer, is less common:
>>
>> http://thelordoftheringsmusical.com/
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> <horror>
You think it's a bad idea?
> very slight reference to a 1997 sell out:
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> http://www.theatresansfil.com/en/highlights.html
Um. Did you read the rest of the page? :-)
There are references to their many, many tours of their production of
'The Hobbit', plus earlier ones of their LotR. All the way back to 1984.
Isn't it nice that theatre companies are so organised about their
history.
> I'm not sure that fan-knitted finger puppets count:
>
http://www003.upp.so-net.ne.jp/imaga/yubi-geki/lotr/fotr-gek i/fotr-op.html
Nice!
> LOTR street theater?
> http://www.looneycreations.com/Seiten/Looney/Tolkien/index.h tm
>
> http://www.clearstagecincinnati.com/rotk/index.html
That looks like it was really good.
Thanks for finding all these LotR theatre references.
Christopher
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| Re: Tolkien theatre [message #210280 ] |
Mo, 23 Januar 2006 13:43 |
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Christopher Kreuzer arranged shapes to form:
> Davémon" <"davémon <"davémon" [at] nospam.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>> http://www.figurentheater-wildevogel.de/
>
> I like the pictures, but am having great difficulty working out what
> scenes of 'The Hobbit' they are showing.
>
I agree. I think it might be told in retrospective, and its gandalf and
bilbo telling the story - wild guess. But it looks fantasticly inventive,
and I would take the effort to see it, but I fear its all in german and I
wouldn't understand a word! I also like that the blurb treats the Hobbit as
a story in its own right, and it's only a review-quote that mentions the
LOTR.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/adbsd
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> Could be a troll there somewhere?
I thought it was gandalf telling Bilbo about the firey mountain and the
dragon (done in sillouette in the circley thing).
> http://tinyurl.com/7l5se
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> Gollum??? On someone's knee???
I think it's bilbo on bilbo's knee - the sort of puppet/puppeteer
relationship you only get in middle-european puppet photography!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8hbof
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> Is that Gandalf and a beard at left?
>
think so. not sure about the goblins (I thought it were the trolls, but
there are too many).
> http://tinyurl.com/967to
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> Some guy in a white sheet. Don't remember ghosts in 'The Hobbit'...
>
Gandalf lost his hat and he flew off in the wind, its a joke.
Maybe he's being grabbed by an eagle?
> http://tinyurl.com/bd63a
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> Another old guy in a white sheet.
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who looks like he's being pick-pocketed by Alex from a Clockwork Orange
whilst a dwarf holds gollum at gunpoint at bottom left.
>
>> http://www.otherhandproductions.com/smaug.html
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> Ooh! A lycra-clad Smaug! :-)
>
How impressed would the average 8 year old kid be when, totally unexpetedly
a /massive/ dragons head appears? Brilliant!
Is lycra fire retardant?
>>> The LotR, being longer, is less common:
>>>
>>> http://thelordoftheringsmusical.com/
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>> <horror>
>
> You think it's a bad idea?
>
For some reason chorus lines of Nazgul singing "Ash nazg durbatuluk -um
diddle ah! Ash nazg gimbatul -um diddle ah! Frodo Baggins, step in time..."
upon the rooftops of Bree spring to mind.
I'm sure the reality is much worse, with sub-Clannad new age celtic
folk-rock and a spot-lit Sam Gamgee in the midst of Mordor lamenting the
faliure of the quest in a falsetto voice.
Then again, I might be wrong!
<snip>
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>> http://www.clearstagecincinnati.com/rotk/index.html
>
> That looks like it was really good.
>
The maps as backdrops could be very atmospheric, and there are a couple of
images with the eye of Sauron projected on them which also looks highly
evocotive.
> Thanks for finding all these LotR theatre references.
>
I'm interested in gathering alternative visions of Tolkiens works, be they
illustration or adaptation or whatever. As I've argued at length in other
threads, whilst I enjoyed PJLOTR, I can't help but see it as part of a
homogenising movement in visualising and marketing the work, which I feel
defines a certain 'approach' to its reading.
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http://www.nightsoil.co.uk/
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| Re: Tolkien theatre [message #210423 ] |
Mi, 25 Januar 2006 01:07 |
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"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message <7SLAf.5669$wl.421 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> I can remember a stage production of 'The Hobbit' in London in about
> 1989. There is also the upcoming LotR musical in Toronto, Canada.
>
> Can anyone add to this?
>
I remember a Russian-language production of 'The Hobbit' around
1989-1991, probably in Yaroslavl. The impression I chiefly retain was
that the first act was rather good, but the second act was a great
disappointment, probably because Smaug, the thrush, etc. were quite
impossible to stage convincingly. My other recollection was that it had
some memorable music!
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| Re: Tolkien theatre [message #210438 ] |
Fr, 27 Januar 2006 09:31 |
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Igenlode Wordsmith <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header [at] [127.1]> wrote:
> "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> <7SLAf.5669$wl.421 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
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>> I can remember a stage production of 'The Hobbit' in London in about
>> 1989. There is also the upcoming LotR musical in Toronto, Canada.
>>
>> Can anyone add to this?
>>
> I remember a Russian-language production of 'The Hobbit' around
> 1989-1991, probably in Yaroslavl. The impression I chiefly retain was
> that the first act was rather good, but the second act was a great
> disappointment, probably because Smaug, the thrush, etc. were quite
> impossible to stage convincingly. My other recollection was that it
> had some memorable music!
Thanks for that! Foreign language adaptation as well! My faint memories
of the stage production I saw was that Gandalf was very memorable, but
Smaug can't have been because I don't remember any dragon! But that
might not mean a lot.
I've also remembered an amateur dramatic performance I saw near Reading
in England. It was of LotR, and I remember the performance of Denethor
being very good. Oh, and the play was VERY long!
There are other amateur dramatic performances that I have mentioned here
in the past, but I'll pass over them this time round (mainly
university/fan performances - some very good, I hasten to add).
Christopher
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