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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise
TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1508] Mo, 18 April 2005 01:18
Mutts  
Damn.



http://www.trekfansunited.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3732 &hl=



Tim can not get into the chat room. Seems someone has been up to some
dirty tricks there. So here is the announcement. Tim can also not log
onto the forum for some reason.



Paramount has agreed to do a release on our combined efforts proving
that we were involved with these talks, negotiations or whatever you
choose to call them. This is supposed to come from Mr. Wentworth’s
office. We will see if they stay true to this. I have NO doubts that
many of you will contact him. Please feel free to do so.



First, let me start off by saying that the way that most fans have
united here is astounding. Most have all pulled together to try and
keep Enterprise and Star Trek alive. I would also like to add that I
am not sure why some on other forums were so mistrusting of what we as
fans we were trying to do. It really saddens me that we could not all
pull together in this to try and make a positive impact on the future
of Enterprise and Star Trek.



Although non of our members that have contributed to the campaign have
complained, most everyone else has. It boggles the mind that people do
not have at least some trust in the fellow fans. It does not matter
what series you are a fan of. They all push for unity as well as peace
and that is not what all of the fans here on the internet have made
this about. It has turned into a total concept of who is going to win
and who is going to loose.


That has been wrong from the start and should not have come down that
way by either side. If you were not happy with the way we were doing
things. OFFER suggestions not criticism. Not one of the people putting
down our efforts even tried to offer advice or contacted me personally
to say “try this” or you might want to run this by your staff.



Here are the facts. We have been in talks with Paramount. We have
brought millions and millions to the table to keep the show going. We
have had two companies in Canada that were involved in trying to move
it to Canada. We also proposed another way of keeping it in the U.S so
that no one would have to move. This was all thought out very well in
advanced and pushed forward not by just the staff at Trek United but
by the other Canadian Companies as well.


We had many people involved in this outside of Trek United. We are NOT
producers, directors or know anything about the television business.
This is why we got in touch with people who were. We made a proposal
to these companies in Canada and they wanted to take it to the next
level which was Paramount.



The main problem here seems to be us accepting fan money. This will no
longer be an issue. Starting Monday or Tuesday. Andrew our attorney
and I will start the forms and refunding all money that our members
have contributed to this campaign as per the TOS.



With this being said. The money from the fans was meant to make a
point and that is what happened. People stood up and took notice. The
media ate it up. Paramount has noticed us to say the least. We have
taken this campaign to new heights beyond any other. We let them know
that we would not go quietly into the night without speaking our mind.



A lot of our staff and members have taken a lot of abuse from others
on forums and various places for standing up for what they believe in
and something that they hold dear which is this wonderful world of
Star Trek. Most of our members stand for what Star Trek is all about.
Unity, peace and working together for a common cause and we did this
against incredible odds which to be honest I thought was Paramount. I
never dreamed that we would be fighting fans in this battle as well.
This is NOT what Star Trek is all about.



For the people that have supported us from the start and for the ones
that continue to do so. Please hang tight. You have done everything
that you could to try and make this happen. It is plain to see that
this is not about money, ratings and or anything else other than
politics with UPN and Paramount or somewhere else.



Our final proposal was knocked down by Paramount. We will not see a
season five for Star Trek Enterprise. All money as I stated earlier
will be refunded starting Monday or Tuesday of this week. We will not
allow people bashing our efforts on our own forums. Please keep in
mind that our members are fans just like you are. If you feel the need
to rejoice over this.. Please direct your email to me.
Tim [at] trekunited.com



For the members that have supported us Thank you. We are all winners.
We had the dream that we could make this happen. Trek United will
continue to be here and we will explore new ideas, but the fan
donation part if it has made the point we intended it to .



Tim





www.trekunited.com
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1509 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 01:43
Benjamin Pavsner  
Gee, do you REALLY THINK SO?:::nudgenudge:::
"Mutts" <none [at] none.com> wrote in message
news:fir561tenlm5bn1lnflpn0g4a231qd4tc9 [at] 4ax.com...
> Damn.
>
>
>
> http://www.trekfansunited.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3732 &hl=
>
>
>
> Tim can not get into the chat room. Seems someone has been up to some
> dirty tricks there. So here is the announcement. Tim can also not log
> onto the forum for some reason.
>
>
>
> Paramount has agreed to do a release on our combined efforts proving
> that we were involved with these talks, negotiations or whatever you
> choose to call them. This is supposed to come from Mr. Wentworth's
> office. We will see if they stay true to this. I have NO doubts that
> many of you will contact him. Please feel free to do so.
>
>
>
> First, let me start off by saying that the way that most fans have
> united here is astounding. Most have all pulled together to try and
> keep Enterprise and Star Trek alive. I would also like to add that I
> am not sure why some on other forums were so mistrusting of what we as
> fans we were trying to do. It really saddens me that we could not all
> pull together in this to try and make a positive impact on the future
> of Enterprise and Star Trek.
>
>
>
> Although non of our members that have contributed to the campaign have
> complained, most everyone else has. It boggles the mind that people do
> not have at least some trust in the fellow fans. It does not matter
> what series you are a fan of. They all push for unity as well as peace
> and that is not what all of the fans here on the internet have made
> this about. It has turned into a total concept of who is going to win
> and who is going to loose.
>
>
> That has been wrong from the start and should not have come down that
> way by either side. If you were not happy with the way we were doing
> things. OFFER suggestions not criticism. Not one of the people putting
> down our efforts even tried to offer advice or contacted me personally
> to say "try this" or you might want to run this by your staff.
>
>
>
> Here are the facts. We have been in talks with Paramount. We have
> brought millions and millions to the table to keep the show going. We
> have had two companies in Canada that were involved in trying to move
> it to Canada. We also proposed another way of keeping it in the U.S so
> that no one would have to move. This was all thought out very well in
> advanced and pushed forward not by just the staff at Trek United but
> by the other Canadian Companies as well.
>
>
> We had many people involved in this outside of Trek United. We are NOT
> producers, directors or know anything about the television business.
> This is why we got in touch with people who were. We made a proposal
> to these companies in Canada and they wanted to take it to the next
> level which was Paramount.
>
>
>
> The main problem here seems to be us accepting fan money. This will no
> longer be an issue. Starting Monday or Tuesday. Andrew our attorney
> and I will start the forms and refunding all money that our members
> have contributed to this campaign as per the TOS.
>
>
>
> With this being said. The money from the fans was meant to make a
> point and that is what happened. People stood up and took notice. The
> media ate it up. Paramount has noticed us to say the least. We have
> taken this campaign to new heights beyond any other. We let them know
> that we would not go quietly into the night without speaking our mind.
>
>
>
> A lot of our staff and members have taken a lot of abuse from others
> on forums and various places for standing up for what they believe in
> and something that they hold dear which is this wonderful world of
> Star Trek. Most of our members stand for what Star Trek is all about.
> Unity, peace and working together for a common cause and we did this
> against incredible odds which to be honest I thought was Paramount. I
> never dreamed that we would be fighting fans in this battle as well.
> This is NOT what Star Trek is all about.
>
>
>
> For the people that have supported us from the start and for the ones
> that continue to do so. Please hang tight. You have done everything
> that you could to try and make this happen. It is plain to see that
> this is not about money, ratings and or anything else other than
> politics with UPN and Paramount or somewhere else.
>
>
>
> Our final proposal was knocked down by Paramount. We will not see a
> season five for Star Trek Enterprise. All money as I stated earlier
> will be refunded starting Monday or Tuesday of this week. We will not
> allow people bashing our efforts on our own forums. Please keep in
> mind that our members are fans just like you are. If you feel the need
> to rejoice over this.. Please direct your email to me.
> Tim [at] trekunited.com
>
>
>
> For the members that have supported us Thank you. We are all winners.
> We had the dream that we could make this happen. Trek United will
> continue to be here and we will explore new ideas, but the fan
> donation part if it has made the point we intended it to .
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> www.trekunited.com
>
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1510 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 02:22
Brenda  
Oh good God
Yeah gloating really helps here

Thanks for the information, Mutts. I'm sorry it didn't work. I still don't
understand
people's desire to see the show die. I have a feeling they think another
trek will soon be
in the offing but again, I'm betting we don't see trek for at least another
decade or two.

I'm glad they tried to keep it going.
:(

"Benjamin Pavsner" <pavsnerp [at] bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1vC8e.80269$vL3.53619 [at] bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> Gee, do you REALLY THINK SO?:::nudgenudge:::

> "Mutts" <none [at] none.com> wrote in message
> news:fir561tenlm5bn1lnflpn0g4a231qd4tc9 [at] 4ax.com...
> > Damn.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.trekfansunited.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3732 &hl=
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim can not get into the chat room. Seems someone has been up to some
> > dirty tricks there. So here is the announcement. Tim can also not log
> > onto the forum for some reason.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paramount has agreed to do a release on our combined efforts proving
> > that we were involved with these talks, negotiations or whatever you
> > choose to call them. This is supposed to come from Mr. Wentworth's
> > office. We will see if they stay true to this. I have NO doubts that
> > many of you will contact him. Please feel free to do so.
> >
> >
> >
> > First, let me start off by saying that the way that most fans have
> > united here is astounding. Most have all pulled together to try and
> > keep Enterprise and Star Trek alive. I would also like to add that I
> > am not sure why some on other forums were so mistrusting of what we as
> > fans we were trying to do. It really saddens me that we could not all
> > pull together in this to try and make a positive impact on the future
> > of Enterprise and Star Trek.
> >
> >
> >
> > Although non of our members that have contributed to the campaign have
> > complained, most everyone else has. It boggles the mind that people do
> > not have at least some trust in the fellow fans. It does not matter
> > what series you are a fan of. They all push for unity as well as peace
> > and that is not what all of the fans here on the internet have made
> > this about. It has turned into a total concept of who is going to win
> > and who is going to loose.
> >
> >
> > That has been wrong from the start and should not have come down that
> > way by either side. If you were not happy with the way we were doing
> > things. OFFER suggestions not criticism. Not one of the people putting
> > down our efforts even tried to offer advice or contacted me personally
> > to say "try this" or you might want to run this by your staff.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are the facts. We have been in talks with Paramount. We have
> > brought millions and millions to the table to keep the show going. We
> > have had two companies in Canada that were involved in trying to move
> > it to Canada. We also proposed another way of keeping it in the U.S so
> > that no one would have to move. This was all thought out very well in
> > advanced and pushed forward not by just the staff at Trek United but
> > by the other Canadian Companies as well.
> >
> >
> > We had many people involved in this outside of Trek United. We are NOT
> > producers, directors or know anything about the television business.
> > This is why we got in touch with people who were. We made a proposal
> > to these companies in Canada and they wanted to take it to the next
> > level which was Paramount.
> >
> >
> >
> > The main problem here seems to be us accepting fan money. This will no
> > longer be an issue. Starting Monday or Tuesday. Andrew our attorney
> > and I will start the forms and refunding all money that our members
> > have contributed to this campaign as per the TOS.
> >
> >
> >
> > With this being said. The money from the fans was meant to make a
> > point and that is what happened. People stood up and took notice. The
> > media ate it up. Paramount has noticed us to say the least. We have
> > taken this campaign to new heights beyond any other. We let them know
> > that we would not go quietly into the night without speaking our mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > A lot of our staff and members have taken a lot of abuse from others
> > on forums and various places for standing up for what they believe in
> > and something that they hold dear which is this wonderful world of
> > Star Trek. Most of our members stand for what Star Trek is all about.
> > Unity, peace and working together for a common cause and we did this
> > against incredible odds which to be honest I thought was Paramount. I
> > never dreamed that we would be fighting fans in this battle as well.
> > This is NOT what Star Trek is all about.
> >
> >
> >
> > For the people that have supported us from the start and for the ones
> > that continue to do so. Please hang tight. You have done everything
> > that you could to try and make this happen. It is plain to see that
> > this is not about money, ratings and or anything else other than
> > politics with UPN and Paramount or somewhere else.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our final proposal was knocked down by Paramount. We will not see a
> > season five for Star Trek Enterprise. All money as I stated earlier
> > will be refunded starting Monday or Tuesday of this week. We will not
> > allow people bashing our efforts on our own forums. Please keep in
> > mind that our members are fans just like you are. If you feel the need
> > to rejoice over this.. Please direct your email to me.
> > Tim [at] trekunited.com
> >
> >
> >
> > For the members that have supported us Thank you. We are all winners.
> > We had the dream that we could make this happen. Trek United will
> > continue to be here and we will explore new ideas, but the fan
> > donation part if it has made the point we intended it to .
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > www.trekunited.com
> >
>
>
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1511 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 01:56
aola  
I haven't been following this story, but from reading this post it would
seem that you have been under vigorous and unrelenting attack. No doubt
entirely undeserved.

"Mutts" <none [at] none.com> wrote in message
news:fir561tenlm5bn1lnflpn0g4a231qd4tc9 [at] 4ax.com...
>> Tim can not get into the chat room. Seems someone has been up to some
> dirty tricks there. So here is the announcement. Tim can also not log
> onto the forum for some reason.
>
> Paramount has agreed to do a release on our combined efforts proving
> that we were involved with these talks, negotiations or whatever you
> choose to call them. This is supposed to come from Mr. Wentworth's
> office. We will see if they stay true to this. I have NO doubts that
> many of you will contact him. Please feel free to do so.
>
> First, let me start off by saying that the way that most fans have
> united here is astounding. Most have all pulled together to try and
> keep Enterprise and Star Trek alive. I would also like to add that I
> am not sure why some on other forums were so mistrusting of what we as
> fans we were trying to do. It really saddens me that we could not all
> pull together in this to try and make a positive impact on the future
> of Enterprise and Star Trek.
>
> Although non of our members that have contributed to the campaign have
> complained, most everyone else has. It boggles the mind that people do
> not have at least some trust in the fellow fans. It does not matter
> what series you are a fan of. They all push for unity as well as peace
> and that is not what all of the fans here on the internet have made
> this about. It has turned into a total concept of who is going to win
> and who is going to loose.
>
> That has been wrong from the start and should not have come down that
> way by either side. If you were not happy with the way we were doing
> things. OFFER suggestions not criticism. Not one of the people putting
> down our efforts even tried to offer advice or contacted me personally
> to say "try this" or you might want to run this by your staff.
>
> Here are the facts. We have been in talks with Paramount. We have
> brought millions and millions to the table to keep the show going. We
> have had two companies in Canada that were involved in trying to move
> it to Canada. We also proposed another way of keeping it in the U.S so
> that no one would have to move. This was all thought out very well in
> advanced and pushed forward not by just the staff at Trek United but
> by the other Canadian Companies as well.
>
> We had many people involved in this outside of Trek United. We are NOT
> producers, directors or know anything about the television business.
> This is why we got in touch with people who were. We made a proposal
> to these companies in Canada and they wanted to take it to the next
> level which was Paramount.
>
> The main problem here seems to be us accepting fan money. This will no
> longer be an issue. Starting Monday or Tuesday. Andrew our attorney
> and I will start the forms and refunding all money that our members
> have contributed to this campaign as per the TOS.
>
> With this being said. The money from the fans was meant to make a
> point and that is what happened. People stood up and took notice. The
> media ate it up. Paramount has noticed us to say the least. We have
> taken this campaign to new heights beyond any other. We let them know
> that we would not go quietly into the night without speaking our mind.
>
> A lot of our staff and members have taken a lot of abuse from others
> on forums and various places for standing up for what they believe in
> and something that they hold dear which is this wonderful world of
> Star Trek. Most of our members stand for what Star Trek is all about.
> Unity, peace and working together for a common cause and we did this
> against incredible odds which to be honest I thought was Paramount. I
> never dreamed that we would be fighting fans in this battle as well.
> This is NOT what Star Trek is all about.
>
> For the people that have supported us from the start and for the ones
> that continue to do so. Please hang tight. You have done everything
> that you could to try and make this happen. It is plain to see that
> this is not about money, ratings and or anything else other than
> politics with UPN and Paramount or somewhere else.
>
> Our final proposal was knocked down by Paramount. We will not see a
> season five for Star Trek Enterprise. All money as I stated earlier
> will be refunded starting Monday or Tuesday of this week. We will not
> allow people bashing our efforts on our own forums. Please keep in
> mind that our members are fans just like you are. If you feel the need
> to rejoice over this.. Please direct your email to me.
> Tim [at] trekunited.com
>
> For the members that have supported us Thank you. We are all winners.
> We had the dream that we could make this happen. Trek United will
> continue to be here and we will explore new ideas, but the fan
> donation part if it has made the point we intended it to .
>
> Tim
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1512 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 01:59
Nightspirit  
Mutts <none [at] none.com> wrote in news:fir561tenlm5bn1lnflpn0g4a231qd4tc9 [at]
4ax.com:

> Damn.
>
>
>
> http://www.trekfansunited.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3732 &hl=
>
>
>
> Tim can not get into the chat room. Seems someone has been up to some
> dirty tricks there. So here is the announcement. Tim can also not log
> onto the forum for some reason.
>
>
>
> Paramount has agreed to do a release on our combined efforts proving
> that we were involved with these talks, negotiations or whatever you
> choose to call them. This is supposed to come from Mr. Wentworth’s
> office. We will see if they stay true to this. I have NO doubts that
> many of you will contact him. Please feel free to do so.
>
>
>
> First, let me start off by saying that the way that most fans have
> united here is astounding. Most have all pulled together to try and
> keep Enterprise and Star Trek alive. I would also like to add that I
> am not sure why some on other forums were so mistrusting of what we as
> fans we were trying to do. It really saddens me that we could not all
> pull together in this to try and make a positive impact on the future
> of Enterprise and Star Trek.
>
>
>
> Although non of our members that have contributed to the campaign have
> complained, most everyone else has. It boggles the mind that people do
> not have at least some trust in the fellow fans. It does not matter
> what series you are a fan of. They all push for unity as well as peace
> and that is not what all of the fans here on the internet have made
> this about. It has turned into a total concept of who is going to win
> and who is going to loose.
>
>
> That has been wrong from the start and should not have come down that
> way by either side. If you were not happy with the way we were doing
> things. OFFER suggestions not criticism. Not one of the people putting
> down our efforts even tried to offer advice or contacted me personally
> to say “try this” or you might want to run this by your staff.
>
>
>
> Here are the facts. We have been in talks with Paramount. We have
> brought millions and millions to the table to keep the show going. We
> have had two companies in Canada that were involved in trying to move
> it to Canada. We also proposed another way of keeping it in the U.S so
> that no one would have to move. This was all thought out very well in
> advanced and pushed forward not by just the staff at Trek United but
> by the other Canadian Companies as well.
>
>
> We had many people involved in this outside of Trek United. We are NOT
> producers, directors or know anything about the television business.
> This is why we got in touch with people who were. We made a proposal
> to these companies in Canada and they wanted to take it to the next
> level which was Paramount.
>
>
>
> The main problem here seems to be us accepting fan money. This will no
> longer be an issue. Starting Monday or Tuesday. Andrew our attorney
> and I will start the forms and refunding all money that our members
> have contributed to this campaign as per the TOS.
>
>
>
> With this being said. The money from the fans was meant to make a
> point and that is what happened. People stood up and took notice. The
> media ate it up. Paramount has noticed us to say the least. We have
> taken this campaign to new heights beyond any other. We let them know
> that we would not go quietly into the night without speaking our mind.
>
>
>
> A lot of our staff and members have taken a lot of abuse from others
> on forums and various places for standing up for what they believe in
> and something that they hold dear which is this wonderful world of
> Star Trek. Most of our members stand for what Star Trek is all about.
> Unity, peace and working together for a common cause and we did this
> against incredible odds which to be honest I thought was Paramount. I
> never dreamed that we would be fighting fans in this battle as well.
> This is NOT what Star Trek is all about.
>
>
>
> For the people that have supported us from the start and for the ones
> that continue to do so. Please hang tight. You have done everything
> that you could to try and make this happen. It is plain to see that
> this is not about money, ratings and or anything else other than
> politics with UPN and Paramount or somewhere else.
>
>
>
> Our final proposal was knocked down by Paramount. We will not see a
> season five for Star Trek Enterprise. All money as I stated earlier
> will be refunded starting Monday or Tuesday of this week. We will not
> allow people bashing our efforts on our own forums. Please keep in
> mind that our members are fans just like you are. If you feel the need
> to rejoice over this.. Please direct your email to me.
> Tim [at] trekunited.com
>
>
>
> For the members that have supported us Thank you. We are all winners.
> We had the dream that we could make this happen. Trek United will
> continue to be here and we will explore new ideas, but the fan
> donation part if it has made the point we intended it to .
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> www.trekunited.com
>
>

Mutts,

Trek United as left a lot of bad blood all across internet Trek fandom.
Tim has a lot of bridges to rebuild and I wish him well. Some people who
may or may not have been a Part of TU have accuse those that had doubts
about the success of getting a fifth season of not being true trek. I
kept a neutual position until last monday when I learned about the March
16th letter. I then started back checking to see what else was out there.
Some of the things I've learned since about Tim's past I haven't reported
because it either not relevent to the opinon piece I did for my blog or I
couldn't comfirm with more that one source.

I consider myself to be at least a responsible person. So many things that
have been reported else where this past week I haven't ran with for the
second reason given above. Many bloggers and and netizine editors are
just as responsible it is the few that aren't that give the rest of us a
bad name.

Now the internet Trek communitity needs to heal and come together. We are
a special group of people in that we share the since of wonder of what Man
could achive is he gave his self a chance.

--
Have Fun,

Night Spirit

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and quite good
with ketchup.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hipdale2/Riverton_Common.HTML

BSG Blog: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cylon12/
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1513 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 02:01
Nightspirit  
"Brenda" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:d3uehu.so.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:

> Oh good God
> Yeah gloating really helps here
>
> Thanks for the information, Mutts. I'm sorry it didn't work. I still
> don't understand
> people's desire to see the show die. I have a feeling they think
> another trek will soon be
> in the offing but again, I'm betting we don't see trek for at least
> another decade or two.
>
> I'm glad they tried to keep it going.
>:(
>
> "Benjamin Pavsner" <pavsnerp [at] bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:1vC8e.80269$vL3.53619 [at] bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> Gee, do you REALLY THINK SO?:::nudgenudge:::
>
>> "Mutts" <none [at] none.com> wrote in message
>> news:fir561tenlm5bn1lnflpn0g4a231qd4tc9 [at] 4ax.com...
>> > Damn.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.trekfansunited.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3732 &hl=
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tim can not get into the chat room. Seems someone has been up to
>> > some dirty tricks there. So here is the announcement. Tim can also
>> > not log onto the forum for some reason.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Paramount has agreed to do a release on our combined efforts
>> > proving that we were involved with these talks, negotiations or
>> > whatever you choose to call them. This is supposed to come from Mr.
>> > Wentworth's office. We will see if they stay true to this. I have
>> > NO doubts that many of you will contact him. Please feel free to do
>> > so.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > First, let me start off by saying that the way that most fans have
>> > united here is astounding. Most have all pulled together to try and
>> > keep Enterprise and Star Trek alive. I would also like to add that
>> > I am not sure why some on other forums were so mistrusting of what
>> > we as fans we were trying to do. It really saddens me that we could
>> > not all pull together in this to try and make a positive impact on
>> > the future of Enterprise and Star Trek.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Although non of our members that have contributed to the campaign
>> > have complained, most everyone else has. It boggles the mind that
>> > people do not have at least some trust in the fellow fans. It does
>> > not matter what series you are a fan of. They all push for unity as
>> > well as peace and that is not what all of the fans here on the
>> > internet have made this about. It has turned into a total concept
>> > of who is going to win and who is going to loose.
>> >
>> >
>> > That has been wrong from the start and should not have come down
>> > that way by either side. If you were not happy with the way we were
>> > doing things. OFFER suggestions not criticism. Not one of the
>> > people putting down our efforts even tried to offer advice or
>> > contacted me personally to say "try this" or you might want to run
>> > this by your staff.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Here are the facts. We have been in talks with Paramount. We have
>> > brought millions and millions to the table to keep the show going.
>> > We have had two companies in Canada that were involved in trying to
>> > move it to Canada. We also proposed another way of keeping it in
>> > the U.S so that no one would have to move. This was all thought out
>> > very well in advanced and pushed forward not by just the staff at
>> > Trek United but by the other Canadian Companies as well.
>> >
>> >
>> > We had many people involved in this outside of Trek United. We are
>> > NOT producers, directors or know anything about the television
>> > business. This is why we got in touch with people who were. We made
>> > a proposal to these companies in Canada and they wanted to take it
>> > to the next level which was Paramount.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The main problem here seems to be us accepting fan money. This will
>> > no longer be an issue. Starting Monday or Tuesday. Andrew our
>> > attorney and I will start the forms and refunding all money that
>> > our members have contributed to this campaign as per the TOS.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > With this being said. The money from the fans was meant to make a
>> > point and that is what happened. People stood up and took notice.
>> > The media ate it up. Paramount has noticed us to say the least. We
>> > have taken this campaign to new heights beyond any other. We let
>> > them know that we would not go quietly into the night without
>> > speaking our mind.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A lot of our staff and members have taken a lot of abuse from
>> > others on forums and various places for standing up for what they
>> > believe in and something that they hold dear which is this
>> > wonderful world of Star Trek. Most of our members stand for what
>> > Star Trek is all about. Unity, peace and working together for a
>> > common cause and we did this against incredible odds which to be
>> > honest I thought was Paramount. I never dreamed that we would be
>> > fighting fans in this battle as well. This is NOT what Star Trek is
>> > all about.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For the people that have supported us from the start and for the
>> > ones that continue to do so. Please hang tight. You have done
>> > everything that you could to try and make this happen. It is plain
>> > to see that this is not about money, ratings and or anything else
>> > other than politics with UPN and Paramount or somewhere else.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Our final proposal was knocked down by Paramount. We will not see a
>> > season five for Star Trek Enterprise. All money as I stated earlier
>> > will be refunded starting Monday or Tuesday of this week. We will
>> > not allow people bashing our efforts on our own forums. Please keep
>> > in mind that our members are fans just like you are. If you feel
>> > the need to rejoice over this.. Please direct your email to me.
>> > Tim [at] trekunited.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For the members that have supported us Thank you. We are all
>> > winners. We had the dream that we could make this happen. Trek
>> > United will continue to be here and we will explore new ideas, but
>> > the fan donation part if it has made the point we intended it to .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tim
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > www.trekunited.com
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1514 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 02:23
Mutts  
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:22:40 -0400, "Brenda" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Oh good God
>Yeah gloating really helps here
>
>Thanks for the information, Mutts. I'm sorry it didn't work. I still don't
>understand
>people's desire to see the show die. I have a feeling they think another
>trek will soon be
>in the offing but again, I'm betting we don't see trek for at least another
>decade or two.
>
>I'm glad they tried to keep it going.
>:(
>

Had to try. had to do my best.
I think it made a difference. Not the way we wanted. But it made a
difference in some small way. I think that even anti-enterprise
people must recongize we
showed Paramount that the fans want more Trek. thats a good thing no
matter what.

who knows, If the DVD sales are good, and the fans keep watching
the reruns, maybe a mini-series or dvd release. They might throw us a
bone, we are the customer afterall.

I dont regret my invovlement. I believe in Treks message of optimism.
That is the only reason I put time and energy into it. That message is
too important these days. I dont mourn for Enterprsise or TrekUnited.
I mourn for network tv and all the crap they pump out ad infintum into
kids heads.
I knew the odds were not good and said as such here before. So its not
a surprise, but it is a bummer.

I dont even hate anyone or wish anything bad on bashers or people that
gave me a hard time. There is nothing useful from that anyways.
What goes around comes around.

I want the Trek franchise strong and healthy someday. It was once.
It will be again I feel. I know that even anti-Enterprise fans want
that too. We have more in common than we do not.

Trek will be back.
How and when, nobody can say.

I am always optmistic. Nobody can take that away.

The dust will settle from all this. Something good will come from it.
Already has. TrekUnited is a lot of really super people. I will stay
there and continue to see what happens.

I hope that those that were against what we were doing will
see some good in it,. And try to build on that.


Im sure it wont be that long before we see another starship again
boldy going where no one has gone before.




www.trekunited.com
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1521 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 04:43
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1522 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 04:56
Bo Raxo  
"Straker" <sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha> wrote in message
news:170420052243309258%sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha...
>
> Could it be some of us weren't actively rooting for the show's death,
> but just don't see its demise as the apocalypse you make it out to be?
> So ENT is dead. So what? You act like roughly 700 existing episodes and
> ten movies mean absolutely nothing, that if there are no new episodes
> on the horizon, life's not worth living anymore. Shows end all the
> time. They end every season, sometimes after only a handful of
> episodes. You might be amazed to find that many of these shows haven't
> been forgotten, even decades after they ended.

Well said, I agree 100%

>Besides, there's more to life than just Star Trek.

Whoa now, that's just crazy talk! ;]


Bo Raxo
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1524 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 05:21
Captain 20  
> I still don't
> understand
> people's desire to see the show die.

I never wanted Enterprise to get cancelled before it's 7-year run was up.
Last year, i was happy when the fight was won to renew it for a 4th year.

But the show didn't get much better as entertainment and the ratings got
even worse. IMO, the fans have effectively rejected the show. Given that,
better to (in i believe night spirit's phrase) "prune it out" from the trek
stable before it causes even more damage to the franchise.

I think that we'd actually be less likely to get *more* trek (series,
movies) in the future if Enterprise continued to limp along then we will get
if it is put to rest now.

Of course i know i could be wrong about that and may come to rue these days
when i advocated not fighting for it, but that's my honest opinion right
now.
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1525 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 05:24
Captain 20  
> Could it be some of us weren't actively rooting for the show's death,
> but just don't see its demise as the apocalypse you make it out to be?
> So ENT is dead. So what? You act like roughly 700 existing episodes and
> ten movies mean absolutely nothing, that if there are no new episodes
> on the horizon, life's not worth living anymore. Shows end all the
> time.

Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game. And like it
or not, the fans thought it was a rotting branch of that franchise. Better
to prune off a rotting branch and thereby revive the whole organism...
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1526 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 05:38
Mutts  
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:24:01 -0500, "Captain 20" <c20 [at] setyrtfj.77com>
wrote:

>
>> Could it be some of us weren't actively rooting for the show's death,
>> but just don't see its demise as the apocalypse you make it out to be?
>> So ENT is dead. So what? You act like roughly 700 existing episodes and
>> ten movies mean absolutely nothing, that if there are no new episodes
>> on the horizon, life's not worth living anymore. Shows end all the
>> time.
>
>Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
>notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game. And like it
>or not, the fans thought it was a rotting branch of that franchise. Better
>to prune off a rotting branch and thereby revive the whole organism...
>
>



Dominic Keating had a few interesting words for a fan..........

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/04/dominic-and-me.html






www.trekunited.com
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1531 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 07:24
rgorman  
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:24:01 -0500, "Captain 20" <c20 [at] setyrtfj.77com>
wrote:

>
>> Could it be some of us weren't actively rooting for the show's death,
>> but just don't see its demise as the apocalypse you make it out to be?
>> So ENT is dead. So what? You act like roughly 700 existing episodes and
>> ten movies mean absolutely nothing, that if there are no new episodes
>> on the horizon, life's not worth living anymore. Shows end all the
>> time.
>
>Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
>notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game.

Enterprise was the last inning.
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season fivefor Star Trek Enterprise [message #1534 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 11:28
T  
Captain 20 wrote:
>>Could it be some of us weren't actively rooting for the show's death,
>>but just don't see its demise as the apocalypse you make it out to be?
>>So ENT is dead. So what? You act like roughly 700 existing episodes and
>>ten movies mean absolutely nothing, that if there are no new episodes
>>on the horizon, life's not worth living anymore. Shows end all the
>>time.
>
>
> Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
> notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game. And like it
> or not, the fans thought it was a rotting branch of that franchise. Better
> to prune off a rotting branch and thereby revive the whole organism...
>
>

No, not 'the fans', just _some_fans_.

There is no disputing the product could have been better.

What is ugly is the human to human interaction between those who say
"let it die" and those who say "make it better".


TBerk
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season fivefor Star Trek Enterprise [message #1535 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 11:37
T  
David Johnston wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:24:01 -0500, "Captain 20" <c20 [at] setyrtfj.77com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Could it be some of us weren't actively rooting for the show's death,
>>>but just don't see its demise as the apocalypse you make it out to be?
>>>So ENT is dead. So what? You act like roughly 700 existing episodes and
>>>ten movies mean absolutely nothing, that if there are no new episodes
>>>on the horizon, life's not worth living anymore. Shows end all the
>>>time.
>>
>>Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
>>notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game.
>
>
> Enterprise was the last inning.
>


No it wasn't. What is wrong with you?


TBerk
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1537 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 12:55
Captain 20  
> Dominic Keating had a few interesting words for a fan..........

Keating says the show was cancelled over "politics", which he defined as
"the people on high telling the producers to do inane things to make it more
interesting".

Well, obviously, that means the guys on high weren't happy with the ratings.
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1538 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 12:58
Captain 20  
> > Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
> > notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game. And like
it
> > or not, the fans thought it was a rotting branch of that franchise.
Better
> > to prune off a rotting branch and thereby revive the whole organism...

> No, not 'the fans', just _some_fans_.

By "the", i mean the majority. As in tpol saying the show lost 11 of its 13
million initial viewers.

> There is no disputing the product could have been better.
>
> What is ugly is the human to human interaction between those who say
> "let it die" and those who say "make it better".

Hey, i don't think i've been uncivil with Mutts or any of the pro-Ent types.
Just "kweeg", since he's a tinfoil hat salesman spamming the ng with his
advertisements.... :)


--
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the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands
of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form
they please".

- Thomas Jefferson
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season fivefor Star Trek Enterprise [message #1540 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 13:45
Graham Kennedy  
Captain 20 wrote:
>>Dominic Keating had a few interesting words for a fan..........
>
>
> Keating says the show was cancelled over "politics", which he defined as
> "the people on high telling the producers to do inane things to make it more
> interesting".

If their idea of making it more interesting was "add a tamborine
to the theme music" and "add a boy band to one of the mess hall
scenes, entertaining the crew", then I'm glad it wasn't quite as
interesting as that after all.

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1543 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 15:46
Captain 20  
> > Keating says the show was cancelled over "politics", which he defined as
> > "the people on high telling the producers to do inane things to make it
more
> > interesting".
>
> If their idea of making it more interesting was "add a tamborine
> to the theme music" and "add a boy band to one of the mess hall
> scenes, entertaining the crew", then I'm glad it wasn't quite as
> interesting as that after all.

Yes i agree - the ideas keating mentioned were absurd, but the point was
about the motive for cancelling the show. It was obviously ratings.


--
"if federal judges have the final word over its meaning,
the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands
of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form
they please".

- Thomas Jefferson
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season fivefor Star Trek Enterprise [message #1544 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 15:48
Graham Kennedy  
Captain 20 wrote:

>>>Keating says the show was cancelled over "politics", which he defined as
>>>"the people on high telling the producers to do inane things to make it
>
> more
>
>>>interesting".
>>
>>If their idea of making it more interesting was "add a tamborine
>>to the theme music" and "add a boy band to one of the mess hall
>>scenes, entertaining the crew", then I'm glad it wasn't quite as
>>interesting as that after all.
>
>
> Yes i agree - the ideas keating mentioned were absurd, but the point was
> about the motive for cancelling the show. It was obviously ratings.

Couldn't say. I don't really pay much attention to ratings.

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1545 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 15:54
Captain 20  
> Couldn't say. I don't really pay much attention to ratings.

Neither do i, but we can be sure UPN does.


--
"if federal judges have the final word over its meaning,
the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands
of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form
they please".

- Thomas Jefferson
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1548 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 16:32
Mutts  
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:45:29 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org>
wrote:

>Captain 20 wrote:
>>>Dominic Keating had a few interesting words for a fan..........
>>
>>
>> Keating says the show was cancelled over "politics", which he defined as
>> "the people on high telling the producers to do inane things to make it more
>> interesting".
>
>If their idea of making it more interesting was "add a tamborine
>to the theme music" and "add a boy band to one of the mess hall
>scenes, entertaining the crew", then I'm glad it wasn't quite as
>interesting as that after all.


Makes you wonder though about some things, Add Whoopi Goldberg!



www.trekunited.com
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1554 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 18:01
Kweeg  
"Captain 20" <c20 [at] setyrtfj.77com> wrote in message
news:hpM8e.5427$Zr.5121 [at] lakeread08...
> > > Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
> > > notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game. And
like
> it
> > > or not, the fans thought it was a rotting branch of that franchise.
> Better
> > > to prune off a rotting branch and thereby revive the whole organism...
>
> > No, not 'the fans', just _some_fans_.
>
> By "the", i mean the majority. As in tpol saying the show lost 11 of its
13
> million initial viewers.
>
> > There is no disputing the product could have been better.
> >
> > What is ugly is the human to human interaction between those who say
> > "let it die" and those who say "make it better".
>
> Hey, i don't think i've been uncivil with Mutts or any of the pro-Ent
types.
> Just "kweeg", since he's a tinfoil hat salesman spamming the ng with his
> advertisements.... :)

I'll sell 'em, you wear 'em........

--

Qa'pla
Kweeg
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1560 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 19:41
rgorman  
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:37:18 GMT, T <tberk [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:


>>>Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
>>>notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game.
>>
>>
>> Enterprise was the last inning.
>>
>
>
>No it wasn't. What is wrong with you?


I'm a pessimist. Pessimists are more likely to be right than
optimists. Enterprise was the last chance to bring to something fresh
to Star Trek and they blew it because of a total lack of fresh ideas.
They're done, at least for the next 20 years.
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1567 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 22:44
Anybody  
In article <idL8e.240$zX7.51 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, T
<tberk [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> David Johnston wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:24:01 -0500, "Captain 20" <c20 [at] setyrtfj.77com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>Could it be some of us weren't actively rooting for the show's death,
> >>>but just don't see its demise as the apocalypse you make it out to be?
> >>>So ENT is dead. So what? You act like roughly 700 existing episodes and
> >>>ten movies mean absolutely nothing, that if there are no new episodes
> >>>on the horizon, life's not worth living anymore. Shows end all the
> >>>time.
> >>
> >>Yes, i never bought the "the end of Enterprise = the end of Star Trek"
> >>notion. Enterprise was a part of Trek, not the whole ball game.
> >
> > Enterprise was the last inning.
>
> No it wasn't. What is wrong with you?

They're still making the next movie for a start. The books and games
will go on being made, and at some stage Paramount will probably try
another series ... and if Beavis & Butthead are LONG gone it may even
be worth watching.
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1575 ] Di, 19 April 2005 00:10
George Peatty  
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 02:43:29 GMT, Straker <sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha> wrote:

>Besides, there's more to life than just Star Trek.

Sacrilege!
Re: TrekUnited annoucement today >>We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise [message #1607 ] Di, 19 April 2005 18:24
John Hopkins  
In article <vlF8e.9941$lP1.5239 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Bo
Raxo <invasions_r_us [at] thepentagon.removethis.com> writes
>>Besides, there's more to life than just Star Trek.
>
>Whoa now, that's just crazy talk! ;]
>
>
>Bo Raxo
>
>
There is more to life such as Formula one and Rugby but not much else.
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