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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » alt.fan.james-bond » Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes
Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #207993] Di, 17 Januar 2006 01:31
JHause  
http://commanderbond.net/quicknews/index.php?action=item& ;item=28298

"Everyone involved in this will tell you that it is no remake of
Thunderball, but the plot similarities don't bear out their argument.

"This is the rogue James Bond film, the one a tellingly-aged Sean
Connery made while the mantle of 007 belonged to Roger Moore.

"True, it was a heck of a lot better than the official turgid efforts
of the time (Octopussy, anyone?), but without the John Barry theme it
just didn't feel right.

"Thunderball was the most unmemorable outing that Connery made first
time round, which makes you wonder why he went for it again.

"The villain was laughable, the threat to the future of the world was
completely implausible (even Moonraker's was more believable), and they
also dragged in some completely forgettable retch to stand in as Q.

"That said, there is a great stand-off between Bond and the villain's
henchwoman, Barbara Carerra's Fatima Blush, involving some sexual
banter and a faulty exploding pen.

"This was a disastrous film rather than the disaster movie its makers
had been hoping for, with poor, poor box office returns and a whole
raft of mishaps that have made its production more famous among movie
fans than the film itself.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

First off, it did pretty WELL at the box office, just not as well as
Moore's film (which even this dope admits is a worse film). Secondly,
TB was Connery's FAVORITE Bond film, and it features what is probably
his most confident performance as Bond. Third, he says Moonraker is
more believable than Thunderball? Ian Fleming is spinning in his grave
so fast right now that I hope he breaks free of his coffin, scips
across the ocean to Wales, and rolls over this clown.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208000 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 02:43
timscurtin  
JHause wrote:
> http://commanderbond.net/quicknews/index.php?action=item& ;item=28298

>
> "The villain was laughable, the threat to the future of the world was
> completely implausible (even Moonraker's was more believable), and they
> also dragged in some completely forgettable retch to stand in as Q.
> >

> First off, it did pretty WELL at the box office, just not as well as
> Moore's film (which even this dope admits is a worse film). Secondly,
> TB was Connery's FAVORITE Bond film, and it features what is probably
> his most confident performance as Bond. Third, he says Moonraker is
> more believable than Thunderball? Ian Fleming is spinning in his grave
> so fast right now that I hope he breaks free of his coffin, scips
> across the ocean to Wales, and rolls over this clown.

He's saying MR was a more plausible threat to the future of the world
than NSNA, and of course, I have to agree. With flawless logic and
after checking his atlas several times, just to be certain, the writer
has noticed that oil fields are SMALLER than the whole world.
Naturally any threat less than the annihilation of the entire world is
not worthy of Bond according to our writer. After all, just because
the world is where SPECTRE keeps all its stuff is no reason not to blow
it up! They're Bond villains! Don't they know that?! If they're not
trying to blow up the world, where's the Bonkers Plot (tm)?! I swear,
its almost as boring as if SPECTRE set a trap for Bond baited with some
kind of decoding machine.

TC
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208016 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 16:00
mlawrenc  
>"Thunderball was the most unmemorable outing that Connery made first
time round, which makes you wonder why he went for it again.

Connery has stated that it was Money and creative control. And
although I dont' recall him ever stating it publicly, he did have beefs
with Cubby that seems to have influenced his decision to participate in
the "rogue" film

> Secondly, TB was Connery's FAVORITE Bond film...

I've heard Connery say that FRWL was his favorite and IMO comparing his
performance in the two his favorite was better.

Reply
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208020 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 17:34
Mike Feeney  
NSNA is a comedy. If you can't see that, JHause, then I
must refer you to my occulist. ;)

But really, the entire film is played for laughs. Fatima
Blush is waaaay too far over the top to be believable. I
mean, c'mon -- she is supposedly SPECTRE's top assassin, and
when she has 007 helpless before her, what does she do? She
forces him to write that she was his greatest lover. Guess
she must have been absent from "Assassins 101" the day the
professor explained how to finish the kill. And what about
Nigel Smallfawcett? The character is a walking cartoon!
He could be digitally replaced with Daffy Duck in all of his
scenes and the tone wouldn't change one bit.

And you wanna talk about Ian Fleming rolling in his grave?
Then consider this: James Bond playing a video game.
'Nuff said.

Thunderball, despite being probably the weakest of the 60's
films, is infinitely better than this piece of rubbish.
Unless, of course, you are willing to accept NSNA as a
comedy -- in which case it can actually be quite an
enjoyable romp.

--Mike
"Then I shall definitely give up white bread."


>
> First off, it did pretty WELL at the box office, just not
> as well as Moore's film (which even this dope admits is a
> worse film). Secondly, TB was Connery's FAVORITE Bond film
> , and it features what is probably his most confident
> performance as Bond. Third, he says Moonraker is more
> believable than Thunderball? Ian Fleming is spinning in
> his grave so fast right now that I hope he breaks free of
> his coffin, scips across the ocean to Wales, and rolls
> over this clown.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208021 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 17:36
JHause  
You're right. I think he said TB was his favorite Bond PERFORMANCE.

Originally Connery got involved in the 2nd project as a screenwriter,
when it was called "Warhead," and then he was enjoying himself so much
that he decided to star. EON then threatened to sue, so they had to
reel in the story and do a straight remake.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208022 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 17:43
JHause  
Mike Feeney wrote:
> NSNA is a comedy. If you can't see that, JHause, then I
> must refer you to my occulist. ;)
>

Hey, at least the comedy was funny. The OFFICIAL Bond that year had a
souped-up golf cart, a tennis player/agent fighting off bad guys with a
tennis racket, a tiger attacking that Bond tells to "sit," Bond
swinging through the trees and yelling like Tarzan, and Bond checking
out a girl's cleavage on his camera watch. It even stole lines from
"Casino Royale!" And you think NSNA was goofy?


> Unless, of course, you are willing to accept NSNA as a
> comedy -- in which case it can actually be quite an
> enjoyable romp.
>

Exactly. I thought all the new M stuff was hilarious, for example, and
they needed that looser, nostalgic tone because they had an almost 60
year-old secret agent -- a problem that EON chose to ignore with Moore.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208023 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 17:50
Vince  
Mike Feeney wrote:

> NSNA is a comedy. If you can't see that, JHause, then I
> must refer you to my occulist. ;)
>
> But really, the entire film is played for laughs. Fatima
> Blush is waaaay too far over the top to be believable. I
> mean, c'mon -- she is supposedly SPECTRE's top assassin, and
> when she has 007 helpless before her, what does she do? She
> forces him to write that she was his greatest lover. Guess
> she must have been absent from "Assassins 101" the day the
> professor explained how to finish the kill. And what about
> Nigel Smallfawcett? The character is a walking cartoon!
> He could be digitally replaced with Daffy Duck in all of his
> scenes and the tone wouldn't change one bit.
>
> And you wanna talk about Ian Fleming rolling in his grave?
> Then consider this: James Bond playing a video game.
> 'Nuff said.
>
> Thunderball, despite being probably the weakest of the 60's
> films, is infinitely better than this piece of rubbish.
> Unless, of course, you are willing to accept NSNA as a
> comedy -- in which case it can actually be quite an
> enjoyable romp.
>
> --Mike
> "Then I shall definitely give up white bread."
>
>
>
>>First off, it did pretty WELL at the box office, just not
>>as well as Moore's film (which even this dope admits is a
>>worse film). Secondly, TB was Connery's FAVORITE Bond film
>>, and it features what is probably his most confident
>>performance as Bond. Third, he says Moonraker is more
>>believable than Thunderball? Ian Fleming is spinning in
>>his grave so fast right now that I hope he breaks free of
>>his coffin, scips across the ocean to Wales, and rolls
>>over this clown.


Sorry gang NSNA was not played for laughs anyway the biggest joke in the
film is how dumb was Domino, doen't hear from her brother and depends
on Largo for news about same?!
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208024 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 17:51
Tom Zielinski  
"Mike Feeney" <moonraker79 [at] excite.comPLICATE> wrote in message
news:43cdd30e.5b8.41 [at] news2...
> NSNA is a comedy. If you can't see that, JHause, then I
> must refer you to my occulist. ;)
>
> But really, the entire film is played for laughs. Fatima
> Blush is waaaay too far over the top to be believable. I
> mean, c'mon -- she is supposedly SPECTRE's top assassin, and
> when she has 007 helpless before her, what does she do? She
> forces him to write that she was his greatest lover. Guess
> she must have been absent from "Assassins 101" the day the
> professor explained how to finish the kill. And what about
> Nigel Smallfawcett? The character is a walking cartoon!
> He could be digitally replaced with Daffy Duck in all of his
> scenes and the tone wouldn't change one bit.



With all respect and in complete sincerity, I am completely mystified as to
how you can make these comments while defending Moonraker and TWWTGG and
LALD.


> And you wanna talk about Ian Fleming rolling in his grave?
> Then consider this: James Bond playing a video game.
> 'Nuff said.
>
> Thunderball, despite being probably the weakest of the 60's
> films



Thunderball is a great film and correctly identified as one of the Big Four.
You Only Live Twice is the only James Bond film of the six from the1960's
that basically ignored and bastardized and pretty much insulted an Ian
Fleming novel, and is easily the weakest of the decade.




Tom Zielinski
"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
why couldn't they just have dyed the parts that show..."
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208025 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 17:53
Phil Gerrard  
Mike wrote:

> "Then I shall definitely give up white bread."

A spin on a line from the original novel, and part of a scene which is
broadly based on Fleming's original, but which EON chose to omit from
TB. Moments like that make NSNA extra-frustrating for me, because they
just point up how much better a movie it could and should have been.

However, as for Small-Fawcett being Daffy Duck, I've lost count of the
number of times Jaws has been referred to as EON's Wile E Coyote. The
sad thing is that the makers of NSNA clearly felt, in the light of the
EON movies being made at the time, that such crass humour was necessary
to the success of the Bond formula. Having got Connery, why couldn't
they have bothered to look back and see what it was that had made the
guy a great Bond in the first place?

Best

Phil
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208026 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 18:18
Mike Feeney  
Jhause wrote:
>
> Mike Feeney wrote:
> > NSNA is a comedy. If you can't see that, JHause, then I
> > must refer you to my occulist. ;)
> >
>
> Hey, at least the comedy was funny. The OFFICIAL Bond that
> year had a souped-up golf cart, a tennis player/agent
> fighting off bad guys with a tennis racket, a tiger
> attacking that Bond tells to "sit," Bond swinging through
> the trees and yelling like Tarzan, and Bond checking out a
> girl's cleavage on his camera watch. It even stole lines
> from "Casino Royale!" And you think NSNA was goofy?
>

Whoa... not so fast there, buddy. When did I defend OP?
I've always stated that OP is crap. The fight on the train
is actually a fairly suspenseful sequence, but other than
that the film is easily -- easily -- one of the worst 007
films ever made. Its so bad at times that its embarrasing.
Poor Roger should have retired from the role after MR.
Sadly he got stuck with mediocre writing and sub-par
directing on his last three outings. Stick Dalton, Brosnan,
or even Connery in OP and AVTAK, for example, and those
films would still be embarassments to the franchise.

True, the Lewis Gilbert entries in the 1970's had their
share of humor, but the difference is that Gilbert had a
flair for style -- and the humor works in his films (well,
for me anyway). But director Glen was lacking that flair,
and his attempts at humor (the Tarzan yell, for example)
fall flat and just don't work. All too often poor Roger
seems to take the blame, but the difference between TSWLM
and OP is all the evidence you need to see that whether or
not the humor succeeded can be blamed upon the screenwriter
and director.

Why, oh why, couldn't we have been treated to another
combination of Christopher Wood & Lewis Gilbert as
writer/director? The box office results of TSWLM and MR
certainly did not warrant a new creative team. In fact,
TSWLM has been credited for "reviving the franchise" in the
1970's. EON should have built upon the success of TSWLM
and MR. Sadly, the 1970's ended the glory days of the 007
films. The 1980's were bleak. Which makes NSNA even more
disappointing: with the EON films of the 1980s being so
bad, the news that Connery was returning to the role again
brought a sense of hope that the magic of the glory days
might be rekindled; but sadly, it was not to be. It
wouldn't be until 2002's DIE ANOTHER DAY that we finally
were treated again to a Bond film worthy of being in the
same canon as the films of the 1960's and 1970's.

--Mike
"Oh, I just remembered: agents aren't permitted to give
personal endorsements."
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208030 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 18:57
Mac  
timscurtin [at] aol.com wrote:

> He's saying MR was a more plausible threat to the future of the world
> than NSNA, and of course, I have to agree. With flawless logic and
> after checking his atlas several times, just to be certain, the writer
> has noticed that oil fields are SMALLER than the whole world.
> Naturally any threat less than the annihilation of the entire world is
> not worthy of Bond according to our writer. After all, just because
> the world is where SPECTRE keeps all its stuff is no reason not to
> blow it up! They're Bond villains! Don't they know that?! If
> they're not trying to blow up the world, where's the Bonkers Plot
> (tm)?! I swear, its almost as boring as if SPECTRE set a trap for
> Bond baited with some kind of decoding machine.

My sarcasmatron (tm) just caught fire. Good to see you in these
parts, old man!
--
--Mac
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208031 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 19:00
Mac  
Mike Feeney wrote:

> professor explained how to finish the kill. And what about
> Nigel Smallfawcett? The character is a walking cartoon!
> He could be digitally replaced with Daffy Duck in all of his
> scenes and the tone wouldn't change one bit.

They should have given him steel testicles and a fart-smelling
expression....
--
--Mac
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208046 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 00:37
JHause  
Mike Feeney wrote:
>
> Whoa... not so fast there, buddy. When did I defend OP?
> I've always stated that OP is crap. The fight on the train
> is actually a fairly suspenseful sequence, but other than
> that the film is easily -- easily -- one of the worst 007
> films ever made. Its so bad at times that its embarrasing.

Agreed. Way agreed.

> True, the Lewis Gilbert entries in the 1970's had their
> share of humor, but the difference is that Gilbert had a
> flair for style -- and the humor works in his films (well,
> for me anyway).

But I would argue that it wasn't for the same audience. The audience
EON was courting to watch Connery vs. Shaw in FRWL was not the same
audience they were courting in Moonraker by showing Jaws skydive with a
faulty parachute and survive by landing on a circus tent.

I'd say the humor in NSNA is aimed at an older audience the Moonraker.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208048 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 00:54
JHause  
And I'd add that the failure of most of the 80's movies was that they
couldn't decide what audience they were after. They'd start off with a
tense skiing sequence and finish it with a big goofy snowboarding
sequences with Beach Boys music. They started to correct themselves and
pusue the older Bond audience in the late '80s, but soon discovered the
studio wanted the bigger, younger audience.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208097 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 22:57
Will Traynor  
"Mike Feeney" <moonraker79 [at] excite.comPLICATE> wrote in message
news:43cdd30e.5b8.41 [at] news2...
> NSNA is a comedy. If you can't see that, JHause, then I
> must refer you to my occulist. ;)
>
> But really, the entire film is played for laughs. Fatima
> Blush is waaaay too far over the top to be believable. I
> mean, c'mon -- she is supposedly SPECTRE's top assassin, and
> when she has 007 helpless before her, what does she do? She
> forces him to write that she was his greatest lover. Guess
> she must have been absent from "Assassins 101" the day the
> professor explained how to finish the kill. And what about
> Nigel Smallfawcett? The character is a walking cartoon!
> He could be digitally replaced with Daffy Duck in all of his
> scenes and the tone wouldn't change one bit.
>
> And you wanna talk about Ian Fleming rolling in his grave?
> Then consider this: James Bond playing a video game.
> 'Nuff said.
>
> Thunderball, despite being probably the weakest of the 60's
> films, is infinitely better than this piece of rubbish.
> Unless, of course, you are willing to accept NSNA as a
> comedy -- in which case it can actually be quite an
> enjoyable romp.
>
> --Mike
> "Then I shall definitely give up white bread."
>


Gotta disagree with you on that one, Mike. YOLT is the worst Bond film of
the 60s, IMHO. Connery was sleep walking through the film. And the special
effects look sooooo dated. There are no memorable Bond girls, either.
Thunderball holds up better today, I think.

>
>>
>> First off, it did pretty WELL at the box office, just not
>> as well as Moore's film (which even this dope admits is a
>> worse film). Secondly, TB was Connery's FAVORITE Bond film
>> , and it features what is probably his most confident
>> performance as Bond. Third, he says Moonraker is more
>> believable than Thunderball? Ian Fleming is spinning in
>> his grave so fast right now that I hope he breaks free of
>> his coffin, scips across the ocean to Wales, and rolls
>> over this clown.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208099 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 23:01
JHause  
Will Traynor wrote:
> Gotta disagree with you on that one, Mike. YOLT is the worst Bond film of
> the 60s, IMHO. Connery was sleep walking through the film. And the special
> effects look sooooo dated. There are no memorable Bond girls, either.
>

And Connery in "Japanse" makeup is just embarrassing. He looks like Moe
from the Three Stooges.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208150 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 05:14
Mike Feeney  
Will wrote...
>
>
> Gotta disagree with you on that one, Mike. YOLT is the
> worst Bond film of the 60s, IMHO. Connery was sleep
> walking through the film. And the special effects look
> sooooo dated. There are no memorable Bond girls, either.
> Thunderball holds up better today, I think.
>
>


I agree that the Little Nellie sequence features extremely
poor effects shots and simply doesn't hold up well when
viewed today. But the outer-space segments still work just
fine for me (John Barry's beautifully haunting score
probably helps somewhat) .

But... regarding YOLT vs. TB: from the moment 007
discovers and infiltrates the volcano base onwards -- the
film continues to mesmerize me. It is truly exciting and
suspenseful. There is a real sense of urgency as the
countdown progresses. There is genuine nervousness felt as
007 attempts to board the SPECTRE interceptor disguised as
an astronaut... only to be caught at the last moment.
There is a genuine sense of hopelessness and despair as the
poor ninjas are gunned down atop the volcano roof by
Blofeld's automatic weapons. The ensuing battle inside the
volcano base is still action-packed and exciting for me --
much more so than the similar battle in TSWLM. And the
fight between 007 and Hans -- atop the metal bridge
overlooking the pirahnna pool -- is exhilarating (if a bit
too brief).

I can't say the same for TB: it never reaches a level of
tension/action/suspense that approaches the last 25 minutes
or so of YOLT. The underwater battle is cool -- yes -- but
after repeated viewings it tends to wear thin and seems a
bit slow even. And Connery doesn't appear all that
interested to me in TB -- if he was sleepwalking in YOLT
then he was daydreaming in TB. And TB has some downright
*awful* scences. For example, when Felix comes to Bond's
hotel room door and begins to say "Well, hello double...."
and then Bond quickly punches him in the gut to shut him up.
Then -- like 60 seconds later -- he explains "you were
about to say double-oh-seven". But he explains this to
Felix while they are standing right in front of the guy whom
Bond didn't want to know he was a 00-agent! This makes no
sense whatsoever... did the writer/director/actors/editor
all have a brain fart during this scene and not realize how
pointless it is?

Sorry, but for me YOLT holds up much better than TB.

--Mike
"Bon appetite."
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208155 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 05:32
Vince  
Will Traynor wrote:

> "Mike Feeney" <moonraker79 [at] excite.comPLICATE> wrote in message
> news:43cdd30e.5b8.41 [at] news2...
>
>>NSNA is a comedy. If you can't see that, JHause, then I
>>must refer you to my occulist. ;)
>>
>>But really, the entire film is played for laughs. Fatima
>>Blush is waaaay too far over the top to be believable. I
>>mean, c'mon -- she is supposedly SPECTRE's top assassin, and
>>when she has 007 helpless before her, what does she do? She
>>forces him to write that she was his greatest lover. Guess
>>she must have been absent from "Assassins 101" the day the
>>professor explained how to finish the kill. And what about
>>Nigel Smallfawcett? The character is a walking cartoon!
>>He could be digitally replaced with Daffy Duck in all of his
>>scenes and the tone wouldn't change one bit.
>>
>>And you wanna talk about Ian Fleming rolling in his grave?
>>Then consider this: James Bond playing a video game.
>>'Nuff said.
>>
>>Thunderball, despite being probably the weakest of the 60's
>>films, is infinitely better than this piece of rubbish.
>>Unless, of course, you are willing to accept NSNA as a
>>comedy -- in which case it can actually be quite an
>>enjoyable romp.
>>
>>--Mike
>>"Then I shall definitely give up white bread."
>>
>
>
>
> Gotta disagree with you on that one, Mike. YOLT is the worst Bond film of
> the 60s, IMHO. Connery was sleep walking through the film. And the special
> effects look sooooo dated. There are no memorable Bond girls, either.
> Thunderball holds up better today, I think.
>
No more dated then Star Trek TOS and even TNG or Star Wars looks these
days. Too many wipe effects in TB made it look like a TV film.
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #208156 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 05:33
Vince  
JHause wrote:

> Will Traynor wrote:
>
>>Gotta disagree with you on that one, Mike. YOLT is the worst Bond film of
>>the 60s, IMHO. Connery was sleep walking through the film. And the special
>>effects look sooooo dated. There are no memorable Bond girls, either.
>>
>
>
> And Connery in "Japanse" makeup is just embarrassing. He looks like Moe
> from the Three Stooges.
>

Too bad thres no way I can show you here, BUT I do a great Curly. YUK!
Re: Nitwit ranks NSNA as one of the 10 Worst Remakes [message #224949 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 05:05
Will Traynor  
"Mike Feeney" <moonraker79 [at] excite.comPLICATE> wrote in message
news:43cfc876.150.41 [at] news2...
> Will wrote...
>>
>>
>> Gotta disagree with you on that one, Mike. YOLT is the
>> worst Bond film of the 60s, IMHO. Connery was sleep
>> walking through the film. And the special effects look
>> sooooo dated. There are no memorable Bond girls, either.
>> Thunderball holds up better today, I think.
>>
>>
>
>
> I agree that the Little Nellie sequence features extremely
> poor effects shots and simply doesn't hold up well when
> viewed today. But the outer-space segments still work just
> fine for me (John Barry's beautifully haunting score
> probably helps somewhat) .
>

Mike, what are you watching? The outer space sequences look like they were
lifted from The Thunderbirds.


> But... regarding YOLT vs. TB: from the moment 007
> discovers and infiltrates the volcano base onwards -- the
> film continues to mesmerize me. It is truly exciting and
> suspenseful. There is a real sense of urgency as the
> countdown progresses. There is genuine nervousness felt as
> 007 attempts to board the SPECTRE interceptor disguised as
> an astronaut... only to be caught at the last moment.

I agree there is some suspense there, but not THAT much suspense. I was by
no means mesmerized.

> There is a genuine sense of hopelessness and despair as the
> poor ninjas are gunned down atop the volcano roof by
> Blofeld's automatic weapons. The ensuing battle inside the
> volcano base is still action-packed and exciting for me --
> much more so than the similar battle in TSWLM. And the
> fight between 007 and Hans -- atop the metal bridge
> overlooking the pirahnna pool -- is exhilarating (if a bit
> too brief).
>

I thought the finale was just a bunch of explosions with stunt men jumping
around and falling down. It did nothing for me. The fight was not one of the
classic 60s battles or even as good as the fight earlier in the film with
Connery and the big Japanese dude. It looked too choreographed and it was
way too brief.


> I can't say the same for TB: it never reaches a level of
> tension/action/suspense that approaches the last 25 minutes
> or so of YOLT. The underwater battle is cool -- yes -- but
> after repeated viewings it tends to wear thin and seems a
> bit slow even. And Connery doesn't appear all that
> interested to me in TB -- if he was sleepwalking in YOLT
> then he was daydreaming in TB. And TB has some downright
> *awful* scences. For example, when Felix comes to Bond's
> hotel room door and begins to say "Well, hello double...."
> and then Bond quickly punches him in the gut to shut him up.
> Then -- like 60 seconds later -- he explains "you were
> about to say double-oh-seven". But he explains this to
> Felix while they are standing right in front of the guy whom
> Bond didn't want to know he was a 00-agent! This makes no
> sense whatsoever... did the writer/director/actors/editor
> all have a brain fart during this scene and not realize how
> pointless it is?
>

I will have to review the scene you are talking about. I am familiar with
it, but not entirely familiar to give an answer. I'll just say every Bond
film has some goofs or problems so that's nothing out of the ordinary.

Well, not many Bond fans will agree with you on Connery's performance in TB.
You are in the minority there. Connery looks completely disinterested in the
proceedings in YOLT and appears as if he is going to walk off the set at any
moment.

> Sorry, but for me YOLT holds up much better than TB.
>


You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but once again, you will find
yourself in the minority on that one. For me, TB is one of the top five or
six best Bond films ever. YOLT falls somewhere in the middle of the pack for
me.

> --Mike
> "Bon appetite."
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