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FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207854] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 03:45
Milhouse Guidry of th[2]  
There is apparently a recording on dimeadozen right now which purports
to be a collection of audience recordings from the Amougies festival
where FZ purportedly jammed onstage with Pink Floyd and other groups,
*including* what purports to be Thee recording of FZ with the Floyd.

This is an old topic, of course, and if anyone wants to check out that
recording and judge it's authenticity, feel free to do so.

But this made me remember that a few years ago, I wanna say around 2001
or so, someone posted a *photo* online on FZ onstage with the Floyd. I
remember there being *some* debate here as to whether it was legitimate,
but (without checking Google's archives) I also seem to remember most
people here accepting that it probably, in fact, was. Am I remembering
this correctly? And does anyone know where this photo might be found
online these days?

Thanks.

--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo
Sometime king of alt.pro-wrestling.dx
I have to pick up a frickin' pie at nine in the morning.

"I apologize and recognize the validity of your argument."
--"Whit Sterling", in one of the more absurdly unlikely
statements in the history of Usenet.

mWo. It's not just the coolest, it's fa lyfe, so survey says
whether you like it or don't like it, never E-e-e-ver tell
me he did *not* just SMELL what mWo 3:16 reeks of.
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207855 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 03:52
Dave Wilcher  
Milhouse Authentico wrote:
> There is apparently a recording on dimeadozen right now which purports
> to be a collection of audience recordings from the Amougies festival
> where FZ purportedly jammed onstage with Pink Floyd and other groups,
> *including* what purports to be Thee recording of FZ with the Floyd.
>
> This is an old topic, of course, and if anyone wants to check out that
> recording and judge it's authenticity, feel free to do so.

I finished downloading it a few hours ago, but haven't had a chance to
listen yet.

> But this made me remember that a few years ago, I wanna say around
> 2001 or so, someone posted a *photo* online on FZ onstage with the
> Floyd. I remember there being *some* debate here as to whether it was
> legitimate, but (without checking Google's archives) I also seem to
> remember most people here accepting that it probably, in fact, was.
> Am I remembering this correctly? And does anyone know where this
> photo might be found online these days?

I'll email it to you.

dave
--
A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.
-Mark Twain
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207856 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 03:55
Milhouse Guidry of th[2]  
Dave Wilcher wrote:
> Milhouse Authentico wrote:
>
>>There is apparently a recording on dimeadozen right now which purports
>>to be a collection of audience recordings from the Amougies festival
>>where FZ purportedly jammed onstage with Pink Floyd and other groups,
>>*including* what purports to be Thee recording of FZ with the Floyd.
>>
>>This is an old topic, of course, and if anyone wants to check out that
>>recording and judge it's authenticity, feel free to do so.
>
>
> I finished downloading it a few hours ago, but haven't had a chance to
> listen yet.
>
>
>>But this made me remember that a few years ago, I wanna say around
>>2001 or so, someone posted a *photo* online on FZ onstage with the
>>Floyd. I remember there being *some* debate here as to whether it was
>>legitimate, but (without checking Google's archives) I also seem to
>>remember most people here accepting that it probably, in fact, was.
>>Am I remembering this correctly? And does anyone know where this
>>photo might be found online these days?
>
>
> I'll email it to you.

I actually found it on a page in Roman Garcia's videography on his
fantastic FZ site. Thank you for your help, though!


--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo
Sometime king of alt.pro-wrestling.dx
I have to pick up a frickin' pie at nine in the morning.

"I apologize and recognize the validity of your argument."
--"Whit Sterling", in one of the more absurdly unlikely
statements in the history of Usenet.

mWo. It's not just the coolest, it's fa lyfe, so survey says
whether you like it or don't like it, never E-e-e-ver tell
me he did *not* just SMELL what mWo 3:16 reeks of.
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207857 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 04:07
mike macken  
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:55:33 -0500, Milhouse Authentico
<milhouse_on_a_stick [at] derekmarvelli.org> wrote:

>Dave Wilcher wrote:
>> Milhouse Authentico wrote:
>>
>>>There is apparently a recording on dimeadozen right now which purports
>>>to be a collection of audience recordings from the Amougies festival
>>>where FZ purportedly jammed onstage with Pink Floyd and other groups,
>>>*including* what purports to be Thee recording of FZ with the Floyd.
>>>
>>>This is an old topic, of course, and if anyone wants to check out that
>>>recording and judge it's authenticity, feel free to do so.
>>
>>
>> I finished downloading it a few hours ago, but haven't had a chance to
>> listen yet.
>>
>>
>>>But this made me remember that a few years ago, I wanna say around
>>>2001 or so, someone posted a *photo* online on FZ onstage with the
>>>Floyd. I remember there being *some* debate here as to whether it was
>>>legitimate, but (without checking Google's archives) I also seem to
>>>remember most people here accepting that it probably, in fact, was.
>>>Am I remembering this correctly? And does anyone know where this
>>>photo might be found online these days?
>>
>>
>> I'll email it to you.
>
>I actually found it on a page in Roman Garcia's videography on his
>fantastic FZ site. Thank you for your help, though!

could you post the url ? is it actually video footage or just audio ?

also here's a bone head question i think you guys should known ?
i think you can buy machines for like 200 bucks that can get your vhs
material directly onto dvd right ?
Lastly on DVD'S i think they cuy them into 1/3rds etc so you can't
pick exact songs to copy to make a best of.......but i could go dvd to
vhs then back to dvd to get around that right ?
thanks in advance.
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207858 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 04:31
denis griffin  
"Milhouse Authentico" <milhouse_on_a_stick [at] derekmarvelli.org> wrote in
message news:43o6vjF1nmv56U1 [at] individual.net...
> And does anyone know where this photo might be found online these days?


http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/videography/Music_Power.html
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207859 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 04:34
kpnnews  
Milhouse Authentico wrote:
> There is apparently a recording on dimeadozen right now which purports
> to be a collection of audience recordings from the Amougies festival
> where FZ purportedly jammed onstage with Pink Floyd and other groups,
> *including* what purports to be Thee recording of FZ with the Floyd.

I just got done listening to it. It sounds like Pink Floyd and Zappa to
me.
Fascinating. Exciting... but not the cosmic mind melt the mention of
the occurrance creates.

Kurt
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207876 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 04:52
mike macken  
On 24 Jan 2006 19:34:51 -0800, kpnnews [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Milhouse Authentico wrote:
>> There is apparently a recording on dimeadozen right now which purports
>> to be a collection of audience recordings from the Amougies festival
>> where FZ purportedly jammed onstage with Pink Floyd and other groups,
>> *including* what purports to be Thee recording of FZ with the Floyd.
>
>I just got done listening to it. It sounds like Pink Floyd and Zappa to
>me.
>Fascinating. Exciting... but not the cosmic mind melt the mention of
>the occurrance creates.
>
>Kurt

1st of all i don't even know where to go to listen......as interesting
as it might sound......i think these guys playing together would have
been well documented for years......its probably not authentic IMO.
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207881 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 05:54
Oscar Bianco  
It is well documented.
I, for example, know at least one guy who attended at those jams.
Anyway you can hear in the tape speaker announcing FZ in any of the jam
(Dumbar group, Caravan, Blossom Toes, Sam Apple Pie) except in the one
with Pink Floyd.
But even in this last one, the guitar (and the way the guitar is
played) speaks clearly: FZ is in.
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207883 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 06:35
mike macken  
On 25 Jan 2006 20:54:35 -0800, "oscar bianco" <scrbnc [at] yahoo.it> wrote:

>It is well documented.
>I, for example, know at least one guy who attended at those jams.
>Anyway you can hear in the tape speaker announcing FZ in any of the jam
>(Dumbar group, Caravan, Blossom Toes, Sam Apple Pie) except in the one
>with Pink Floyd.
>But even in this last one, the guitar (and the way the guitar is
>played) speaks clearly: FZ is in.

where's the url link ?
hearinf FZ play money would have been bitching.
did he play with song caravan ? thats gotta be hot.

and to all you FZ fans i am a HUGE FRANK FAN......Do yourself a favor
get yer hands on the DVD of Jeff Beck live from albert hall
the guy is amazing beyond words.

listen to brush with the blues, nadia, where were you.....the guy
makes unearthly sounds flow outta that fender.
if there are any two guitar players that can't be correctly emulated
its is without question FZ and Jeff Beck
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207885 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 07:32
Oscar Bianco  
Frank Zappa
Amougies (Belgium), Actuel Festival
24 to 27 October 1969

source: audience recording

This is an amazing find that I'm sure will delight fans of Frank Zappa
and the bands concerned alike. A little background : the Actuel
festival was organized by the publication of the same name (who, under
different editorship, went on to become a prime mover of the French
counterculture in the early to mid-70s) in collaboration with the
fledgling BYG label. It was originally going to take place in or near
Paris, but French authorities forbid it and the marquee was eventually
set up a few miles outside the French border, on Belgian soil. It took
place over 5 nights, entertaining an audience of 15-20,000 to a unique
mixture of progressive pop, free jazz and contemporary music.

Frank Zappa was present at the festival (well, the first four days, it
seems) in a twofold capacity. First, as Captain Beefheart's road
manager; secondly, as M.C., assisting Pierre Lattes, a famous radio/TV
presenter at the time (and the pop music editor for Actuel magazine).
The latter task proved problematic given FZ's very limited mastery of
French, the prevailing language among the audience, who themselves
didn't seem to understand much English. Instead, FZ relinquished his
M.C. job for one of occasional guest guitarist.

As far as I know, with the exception of FZ's performance with Captain
Beefheart, this collects all of his jams with participating bands. A
couple of films, directed by Jerome Laperrousaz and Jean-Noel Roy, came
out in 1970 but were instantly banned because of objections from
various bands (most notably Pink Floyd) whose permission hadn't been
properly secured. Zappa's performance with Beefheart is included in one
of them, and since the audio of the film (unlike the film itself) is in
circulation, possibly in better sound than I could provide, I decided
not to include it.

The whereabouts of the master tapes for the festival, if any exist, are
unknown. What recordings are circulating are either the soundtrack of
the film, or taken from radio broadcasts (on Luxemburg's RTL and
Belgium's RTBF). The source used here is an audience recording made by
a young French member of the audience using a now antiquated amateur
tape recorder. The original tapes have been newly transferred, but even
so, the sound quality is rather poor. Still, it seems to be the only
source available at this time, so that will have to do for now.

Most legendary, of course, is Frank Zappa's jam with Pink Floyd on a
very extended "Interstellar Overdrive". Apparently, despite the wealth
of Pink Floyd bootlegs in circulation, no one seems to have their
Amougies set, so this will probably delight a lot of people. Browsing
various PF-related websites, there even seems to be a debate on whether
the jam ever took place. Well, here is the final proof that it did.

Now, the tracklist:

1. Aynsley Dunbar's Retaliation: Improvisation (7:08)
[October 24]
Victor Brox (vocals, harmonica); John Moorshead (guitar); Alex
(Erroneous) Dmochowski (bass); Aynsley Dunbar (drums)

2. Pink Floyd: Interstellar Overdrive (20:25)
[October 25]
David Gilmour (guitar); Richard Wright (organ); Roger Waters (bass);
Nick Mason (drums)

3. Caravan: If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You
(7:55)
[October 26]
Pye Hastings (guitar & vocals); David Sinclair (keyboards); Richard
Sinclair (bass & vocals); Richard Coughlan (drums)

4. Blossom Toes: Improvisation (26:10)
[October 26]
Brian Godding (guitar, vocals & keyboards); Jim Cregan (guitar &
vocals); Brian Belshaw (bass & vocals); Kevin Westlake (drums)

5. Sam Apple Pie: Moonlight Man (6:04)
[October 27]
Sam Sampson (vocals & harmonica); Danny Barnes (lead guitar); Andy
Johnson (slide guitar); Bob Renny (bass & vocals); Lee Baxter Hayes Jr
(drums)

(Note (updated): FZ also jammed with the Pretty Things, but the taper
inadvertently erased the tape in question many years ago; he also
participated in a jam with some of the free jazz players, led by Archie
Shepp; sadly the taper was into rock, not jazz, and didn't bother
recording any of the jazz acts.)

I intend to seed some of the individual performances in the near
future, so watch out. I must thank the taper, JJB, for his permission
to seed these rare treasures, making them available freely to all via
DaD in affinity with its non-profit philosophy.

----

one more time for the world
from (you have to be registered to get in):
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=79509

check also (you have to be registered to get in):
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3906
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207915 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 21:50
Avo Raup  
Just FYI, how Frank Zappa itself describes this festival and his role.

Society Pages issue no. 2

"They're doing the Interview of the Century"
December 22, 1989
FZ interview by Eric Buxton, Rob Samler, Den Simms.

***

DS: Alright. Here's a controversy you can settle. There are many
people who think that you performed, in 1969, at a festival in Belgium
called ,Amougies'...

FZ: Yes

DS: ... performed onstage with Pink Floyd. True or false?

FZ: Not with Pink Floyd.

DS: That's what I thought. You introduced Beefheart to the
audience...

FZ: Yes, and I introduced a lot of other acts, too. You see, that was a
very weird thing. I was hired to be a master of ceremonies...

DS: Gotcha.

FZ: That was after the Mothers had broken up, and y'know, I had time
on my hands. These people contacted me. They offered me ten thousand
dollars to be an emcee at a festival, all expenses paid, and go over
there, and, y'know, whatever I wanted to do, and I said, ,,Fine."
So, I get there, and they neglected to tell me that nobody spoke
English. (laughter) I mean, most of the people there spoke French, and
all I could do was point and wave, (laughter) and furthermore, the
festival was originally supposed to be in France. The French government
stopped it, and so, at the last minute, it was moved across the border
into Belgium, into the middle of a turnip patch, in the middle of
nowhere, in a tent that was held up by steel girders. This tent held
fifteen thousand people. Freezing cold, damp weather, constant log, the
most MISERABLE (laughter) circumstances you could find yourself in, for
three days, and it was a twenty-four-hour-a-day festival, and the kids
would come there, and they had their sleeping bags, and they were
sleeping through ... they were just in this tent FREEZING, laying on
the ground, sleeping, while music went on around the clock with all
these groups...

DS: How bizarre.

FZ: ... and they were filming it.

DS: A true war story.

RS: So, did you perform with anyone?

DS: Yeah. To nail that down once and for all, you did not perform with
Pink Floyd, right?

FZ: No. I think I performed with Aynsley Dunbar, and then, there was a
jam session that had Archie Shepp, Philly Joe Jones, and some other
jazz guys that played.

DS: OK.

***

PS. I cannot comment why he denies the jamming with Pink Floyd.
Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #207917 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 22:05
Charles Ulrich  
In article <1138395021.234624.32280 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Avo Raup" <afka [at] afka.net> wrote:

> PS. I cannot comment why he denies the jamming with Pink Floyd.

Doggone, dagnabbit
Jamming with Pink Floyd is a stupid habit

--Charles
Re: Re: FZ with Pink Floyd [message #232199 ] Fr, 03 März 2006 05:41
Yello Sharc  
I've got a relatively cheap device that says it copied to and from DVD
and VHS.

I'm about a month late replying. So, let me know if you want me to
try it.

Actually, what I want is a CD of the DVD's and the DVD-A's.


On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:07:39 GMT, mike macken <tilson [at] mindspring.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:55:33 -0500, Milhouse Authentico
><milhouse_on_a_stick [at] derekmarvelli.org> wrote:
>
>>Dave Wilcher wrote:
>>> Milhouse Authentico wrote:
>>>
>>>>There is apparently a recording on dimeadozen right now which purports
>>>>to be a collection of audience recordings from the Amougies festival
>>>>where FZ purportedly jammed onstage with Pink Floyd and other groups,
>>>>*including* what purports to be Thee recording of FZ with the Floyd.
>>>>
>>>>This is an old topic, of course, and if anyone wants to check out that
>>>>recording and judge it's authenticity, feel free to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> I finished downloading it a few hours ago, but haven't had a chance to
>>> listen yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>>But this made me remember that a few years ago, I wanna say around
>>>>2001 or so, someone posted a *photo* online on FZ onstage with the
>>>>Floyd. I remember there being *some* debate here as to whether it was
>>>>legitimate, but (without checking Google's archives) I also seem to
>>>>remember most people here accepting that it probably, in fact, was.
>>>>Am I remembering this correctly? And does anyone know where this
>>>>photo might be found online these days?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll email it to you.
>>
>>I actually found it on a page in Roman Garcia's videography on his
>>fantastic FZ site. Thank you for your help, though!
>
>could you post the url ? is it actually video footage or just audio ?
>
>also here's a bone head question i think you guys should known ?
>i think you can buy machines for like 200 bucks that can get your vhs
>material directly onto dvd right ?
>Lastly on DVD'S i think they cuy them into 1/3rds etc so you can't
>pick exact songs to copy to make a best of.......but i could go dvd to
>vhs then back to dvd to get around that right ?
>thanks in advance.
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