| Domage thoughts [message #207785] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 16:41 |
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I gave this a first listen last night. If this were a bootleg tape,
everyone would be thrilled about it. As an official release...some
might not want to pay $13.99 for something which will probably only get
a few listens, but since I have dozens of CDs and tapes of this sort of
material acquired for free, it seems fair to give the ZFT some cash for
one such specimen. Plus, I don't suppose we'll be getting another '72
rehearsal in the trading market anytime soon.
The New Brown Clouds/Big Swifty/Blessed Relief mega-composition is yet
another reminder that when FZ had an idea, anything could happen to it
- it could become the center of an instrumental piece, or have lyrics
written for it, or become part of a larger assemblage.
Re Blessed Relief - it's rather funny to hear this heavy-handed take on
what would become probably the mellowest track FZ ever released.
One-Shot Deal is close to the finished version, but FZ later decided to
vary the vocal stylings on each verse. On this version, there's a
backing vocal chant "you gotta (something)" on the last verse, which
makes it occur to me (perhaps someone has already mentioned this) that
the riff resembles the old blues song "You Gotta Move."
Gary Barone comments on Charles Ulrich's website that Malcolm McNabb
did not improvise in the Petit Wazoo shows. On the CD, during the
One-Shot Deal rehearsals we hear FZ ask one of the players if he can
solo. The player says yes, and then we hear a trumpet solo in the spot
which Sneaky Pete would later get. Since Sal is probably singing at
this point, presumably McNabb is soloing. He sounds rather shy about
it, which might explain why FZ didn't ask him again.
Considering that this was presumably only a temporary rehearsal lineup,
it's interesting that FZ chose to have them learn the parts by ear
rather than charting them out. He must have known he was risking
wasting some time (some of these players may never have played One-Shot
Deal again), but it's probably true that the music on Waka Jawaka and
Grand Wazoo had more spirit than he would have gotten if he had
recorded the musicians sight-reading the parts.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
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| Re: Domage thoughts [message #207789 ] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 17:11 |
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pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> The New Brown Clouds/Big Swifty/Blessed Relief mega-composition is yet
> another reminder that when FZ had an idea, anything could happen to it
> - it could become the center of an instrumental piece, or have lyrics
> written for it, or become part of a larger assemblage.
I don't listen to this release all that much, either (not that anyone
really does, I imagine), but I get no end of amusement of the way the
chunks of "Big Swifty" occur in unexpected places during other pieces.
> Re Blessed Relief - it's rather funny to hear this heavy-handed take on
> what would become probably the mellowest track FZ ever released.
Agreed, and it's one of my favorite parts of the CD. Very interesting
how FZ went from this rehearsal lineup playing much of the melody in
unison with somewhat heavy drumming, to the way he later arranged it (as
on Grand Wazoo) with more subtle melodic and harmonic accompaniment
under the main melody. Hearing this "heavy" performance of it gave me an
almost completely new appreciation for the way the Grand Wazoo album
version is constructed.
I'll have to find some time to give Domage a spin this week, I think.
--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo
Sometime king of alt.pro-wrestling.dx
I have to pick up a frickin' pie at nine in the morning.
"I apologize and recognize the validity of your argument."
--"Whit Sterling", in one of the more absurdly unlikely
statements in the history of Usenet.
mWo. It's not just the coolest, it's fa lyfe, so survey says
whether you like it or don't like it, never E-e-e-ver tell
me he did *not* just SMELL what mWo 3:16 reeks of.
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| Re: Domage thoughts [message #207796 ] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 21:21 |
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In article <1137944460.281634.276640 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Gary Barone comments on Charles Ulrich's website that Malcolm McNabb
> did not improvise in the Petit Wazoo shows. On the CD, during the
> One-Shot Deal rehearsals we hear FZ ask one of the players if he can
> solo. The player says yes, and then we hear a trumpet solo in the spot
> which Sneaky Pete would later get. Since Sal is probably singing at
> this point, presumably McNabb is soloing. He sounds rather shy about
> it, which might explain why FZ didn't ask him again.
Hmm. My interpretation was that FZ was asking Sal because Malcolm had
already informed him that he didn't improvise. And then Sal played the
solo while Tony Duran and Alex Dmochowski sang.
Can anyone recognize Sal's voice in this track, either talking or
singing?
Can you hear three people singing?
--Charles
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| Re: Domage thoughts [message #207797 ] |
So, 22 Januar 2006 22:08 |
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Charles Ulrich wrote:
> Hmm. My interpretation was that FZ was asking Sal because Malcolm had
> already informed him that he didn't improvise. And then Sal played the
> solo while Tony Duran and Alex Dmochowski sang.
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> Can anyone recognize Sal's voice in this track, either talking or
> singing?
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> Can you hear three people singing?
Not easy questions to answer due to the recording quality and to the
fact that we have only a few recordings of Sal singing and none (to my
knowledge) of Duran or Dmochowski singing solo. One of the singing
voices on Domage sounds similar to Sal's vocal on For Calvin to me.
I've only listened to Domage once, but I didn't notice a point on
One-Shot Deal or Think It Over where two trumpets and vocals were
audible at the same time.
Reading Sal and Malcolm's entries in United Mutations, it looks like
Sal had a lot of jazz experience while Malcolm primarily did classical
and some pop, so it seems more likely to me that FZ would have had
doubts about whether Malcolm could improvise. It's possible that he
was asking Sal, though.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
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