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My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207777] So, 22 Januar 2006 06:33
espinoza  
While we all dream of what the vaults might contain, we all handle it
in different ways.

Over the past decade, many of us have gone from expectation to hope,
bitterness, frustration, anger, exhaustion, etc., waiting for that
transcendent release that never comes.

Me? I decided a long time ago not to expect anything. If I don't
expect anything, I won't be disappointed, right? (Of course, this is
what made the Roxy trailer especially cruel. It even gives a guy like
me hope.)

So, anyway, while many of you have snatched up any new release that
has come down the pike, I've been reading the liner notes on the
website, pouring over track listings, listening to samples, asking
myself "Do I really want this thing? Will a really listen to this?"
I might talk myself into buying it months later, only to like but a
handful of tracks. (Don't look for my name in the FZ:OZ liner notes.
It isn't there.)

In recent years, I've been happy with the new DVDs, but have shown no
interest whatsoever in Joe's Corsaga and mild interest in anything
else.

So, about a month ago, I visit zappa.com (I don't remember why) and I
see this new graphic for Imaginary Diseases. "Imaginary Diseases? A
new release? Didn't they just come out with Joe's XMasage? So, what
the fuck is this?"

"Petit Wazoo? Hmmm, interesting. Here's a clip. Damn! That sounds
pretty damn good. I may have to order this thing."

So, fast forward to tonight. ID finally shows up in my mailbox.
First thing I notice is that it is a simple but beautiful package that
contains the CD.

I give it a listen and it's absoltutely wonderful. I can't believe
how good it is. I become so lost in the music, that I look up after
what feels like a couple of minutes into "Farther O'Blivion" only to
discover that eight minutes have elapsed and I'm halfway through it.
Three minutes into "D.C. Boogie" I'm on the verge of tears. This
music is absolutely beautiful.

Now, while someone like Biffy has been buying new Zappa albums upon
release for the past few decades, I've basically been going forward
into the past. I only started discovering FZ's music in the late
80's. I think the first FZ album that I bought at the time it was
released was Civilization Phaze III.

So, as my mind drifts back, I find it difficult to remember the last
time I liked a new FZ album this much. I didn't like EIHN this much.
I didn't like FZ:OZ this much. Hell, I don't think I even liked
Lather, The Lost Episodes, or CPIII this much.

In fact, the last time I remember being this happy with a newly
acquired FZ album was when I won THE ENTIRE YCDTOSA SET in a radio
contest 12 years ago.

All of this might sound like insane hyberbole, but I can't find enough
superlatives to express how much I love this CD. I may not listen to
another one for the next month.

One of the first opinions expressed on this ng about ID was by Stan
Ivester, who proclaimed, "It's magnificent". The few exchanges that
I've had with Stan on this ng have usually been disagreements about
politics, but, in this case, I agree with him completely.

I know, some of you are going to listen to this CD and say, "I don't
see what Mike is going on about. It's okay, but not THAT great."
That's cool. You're entitled to your opinion. All I know is that I
haven't been this happy with a new FZ CD in a very long time. I
haven't been spending my time pining away for new releases, but,
nevertheless, this is one of the CDs that I've been waiting for.

Imaginary Diseases rules!
--
Mike E.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207778 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 08:16
zutbof  
Cool thanks for your comments ,i am still wating for my copy.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207787 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 17:00
Dan Buxbaum  
Mike Espinoza wrote:

> While we all dream of what the vaults might contain, we all handle it
> in different ways.
>
> Over the past decade, many of us have gone from expectation to hope,
> bitterness, frustration, anger, exhaustion, etc., waiting for that
> transcendent release that never comes.
>
> Me? I decided a long time ago not to expect anything. If I don't
> expect anything, I won't be disappointed, right? (Of course, this is
> what made the Roxy trailer especially cruel. It even gives a guy like
> me hope.)
>
> So, anyway, while many of you have snatched up any new release that
> has come down the pike, I've been reading the liner notes on the
> website, pouring over track listings, listening to samples, asking
> myself "Do I really want this thing? Will a really listen to this?"
> I might talk myself into buying it months later, only to like but a
> handful of tracks. (Don't look for my name in the FZ:OZ liner notes.
> It isn't there.)
>
> In recent years, I've been happy with the new DVDs, but have shown no
> interest whatsoever in Joe's Corsaga and mild interest in anything
> else.
>
> So, about a month ago, I visit zappa.com (I don't remember why) and I
> see this new graphic for Imaginary Diseases. "Imaginary Diseases? A
> new release? Didn't they just come out with Joe's XMasage? So, what
> the fuck is this?"
>
> "Petit Wazoo? Hmmm, interesting. Here's a clip. Damn! That sounds
> pretty damn good. I may have to order this thing."
>
> So, fast forward to tonight. ID finally shows up in my mailbox.
> First thing I notice is that it is a simple but beautiful package that
> contains the CD.
>
> I give it a listen and it's absoltutely wonderful. I can't believe
> how good it is. I become so lost in the music, that I look up after
> what feels like a couple of minutes into "Farther O'Blivion" only to
> discover that eight minutes have elapsed and I'm halfway through it.
> Three minutes into "D.C. Boogie" I'm on the verge of tears. This
> music is absolutely beautiful.
>
> Now, while someone like Biffy has been buying new Zappa albums upon
> release for the past few decades, I've basically been going forward
> into the past. I only started discovering FZ's music in the late
> 80's. I think the first FZ album that I bought at the time it was
> released was Civilization Phaze III.
>
> So, as my mind drifts back, I find it difficult to remember the last
> time I liked a new FZ album this much. I didn't like EIHN this much.
> I didn't like FZ:OZ this much. Hell, I don't think I even liked
> Lather, The Lost Episodes, or CPIII this much.
>
> In fact, the last time I remember being this happy with a newly
> acquired FZ album was when I won THE ENTIRE YCDTOSA SET in a radio
> contest 12 years ago.
>
> All of this might sound like insane hyberbole, but I can't find enough
> superlatives to express how much I love this CD. I may not listen to
> another one for the next month.
>
> One of the first opinions expressed on this ng about ID was by Stan
> Ivester, who proclaimed, "It's magnificent". The few exchanges that
> I've had with Stan on this ng have usually been disagreements about
> politics, but, in this case, I agree with him completely.
>
> I know, some of you are going to listen to this CD and say, "I don't
> see what Mike is going on about. It's okay, but not THAT great."
> That's cool. You're entitled to your opinion. All I know is that I
> haven't been this happy with a new FZ CD in a very long time. I
> haven't been spending my time pining away for new releases, but,
> nevertheless, this is one of the CDs that I've been waiting for.
>
> Imaginary Diseases rules!
> --
> Mike E.

I was thinking the same thing--am i entitled to like a heavily-edited
live 63 min. compilation from '72 with so much off-the-cuff jamming on
it--I am.
But i could see how fans of the early-eighties bands might not like this
as much as me. ID has some great "loose" moments on it for those who can
get into that and don't mind the absence of any vocals.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207790 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 17:17
espinoza  
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:00:40 -0500, Dan Buxbaum <dandor [at] erols.com>
wrote:

>Mike Espinoza wrote:
>
>> While we all dream of what the vaults might contain, we all handle it
>> in different ways.
>>
>> Over the past decade, many of us have gone from expectation to hope,
>> bitterness, frustration, anger, exhaustion, etc., waiting for that
>> transcendent release that never comes.
>>
>> Me? I decided a long time ago not to expect anything. If I don't
>> expect anything, I won't be disappointed, right? (Of course, this is
>> what made the Roxy trailer especially cruel. It even gives a guy like
>> me hope.)
>>
>> So, anyway, while many of you have snatched up any new release that
>> has come down the pike, I've been reading the liner notes on the
>> website, pouring over track listings, listening to samples, asking
>> myself "Do I really want this thing? Will a really listen to this?"
>> I might talk myself into buying it months later, only to like but a
>> handful of tracks. (Don't look for my name in the FZ:OZ liner notes.
>> It isn't there.)
>>
>> In recent years, I've been happy with the new DVDs, but have shown no
>> interest whatsoever in Joe's Corsaga and mild interest in anything
>> else.
>>
>> So, about a month ago, I visit zappa.com (I don't remember why) and I
>> see this new graphic for Imaginary Diseases. "Imaginary Diseases? A
>> new release? Didn't they just come out with Joe's XMasage? So, what
>> the fuck is this?"
>>
>> "Petit Wazoo? Hmmm, interesting. Here's a clip. Damn! That sounds
>> pretty damn good. I may have to order this thing."
>>
>> So, fast forward to tonight. ID finally shows up in my mailbox.
>> First thing I notice is that it is a simple but beautiful package that
>> contains the CD.
>>
>> I give it a listen and it's absoltutely wonderful. I can't believe
>> how good it is. I become so lost in the music, that I look up after
>> what feels like a couple of minutes into "Farther O'Blivion" only to
>> discover that eight minutes have elapsed and I'm halfway through it.
>> Three minutes into "D.C. Boogie" I'm on the verge of tears. This
>> music is absolutely beautiful.
>>
>> Now, while someone like Biffy has been buying new Zappa albums upon
>> release for the past few decades, I've basically been going forward
>> into the past. I only started discovering FZ's music in the late
>> 80's. I think the first FZ album that I bought at the time it was
>> released was Civilization Phaze III.
>>
>> So, as my mind drifts back, I find it difficult to remember the last
>> time I liked a new FZ album this much. I didn't like EIHN this much.
>> I didn't like FZ:OZ this much. Hell, I don't think I even liked
>> Lather, The Lost Episodes, or CPIII this much.
>>
>> In fact, the last time I remember being this happy with a newly
>> acquired FZ album was when I won THE ENTIRE YCDTOSA SET in a radio
>> contest 12 years ago.
>>
>> All of this might sound like insane hyberbole, but I can't find enough
>> superlatives to express how much I love this CD. I may not listen to
>> another one for the next month.
>>
>> One of the first opinions expressed on this ng about ID was by Stan
>> Ivester, who proclaimed, "It's magnificent". The few exchanges that
>> I've had with Stan on this ng have usually been disagreements about
>> politics, but, in this case, I agree with him completely.
>>
>> I know, some of you are going to listen to this CD and say, "I don't
>> see what Mike is going on about. It's okay, but not THAT great."
>> That's cool. You're entitled to your opinion. All I know is that I
>> haven't been this happy with a new FZ CD in a very long time. I
>> haven't been spending my time pining away for new releases, but,
>> nevertheless, this is one of the CDs that I've been waiting for.
>>
>> Imaginary Diseases rules!
>> --
>> Mike E.
>
>I was thinking the same thing--am i entitled to like a heavily-edited
>live 63 min. compilation from '72 with so much off-the-cuff jamming on
>it--I am.
>But i could see how fans of the early-eighties bands might not like this
>as much as me. ID has some great "loose" moments on it for those who can
>get into that and don't mind the absence of any vocals.

Clearly this is a release that appeals to fans of the instrumental
stuff on Chunga, Waka Jawaka, Grand Wazoo, and Roxy. (Gee, who likes
that stuff?) I like the eighties stuff, too, but this stuff is
excellent.

I'm not a "complete unedited concert" guy. I like that Frank tried to
edit things for maximum impact, even if I may not agree with all of
his edits.

I'm glad there aren't any vocals. The music is great without them.
--
Mike E.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207793 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 19:30
Gary  
I like ID although at first listen I didn't do back flips.

It doesn't have tons of textural variation and is heavy on the long
guitar solos. In fact I was a little surprised that the horn section
seems absent for a fair amount of it.

That's after just one listen though. Then I slapped in Roxy and
YCDTOSA #2. I just got a CD player in my car, if you can believe it,
making my 45 minute commute somewhat more manageable.

One thing I have always wondered about is the Roxy version of the Bebop
Tango. It is different than every other version I have heard. Seems
way up tempo and the drums are a bit out of control esp. at the
beginning. Never mind the dance contest but I am talking about the
very beginning.

More profound revelations about ID later I'm sure.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207794 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 19:33
pbuzby2002  
Gary wrote:

> One thing I have always wondered about is the Roxy version of the Bebop
> Tango. It is different than every other version I have heard. Seems
> way up tempo and the drums are a bit out of control esp. at the
> beginning. Never mind the dance contest but I am talking about the
> very beginning.

The other fall '73 versions are similar, especially 11/18/73.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207805 ] Mo, 23 Januar 2006 05:09
zutbof  
I love more Zappa's instrumental music probably because i am french and
dont catch all the jokes
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207813 ] Mo, 23 Januar 2006 17:40
Gary  
On a completely unrelated note, when did FZ STOP using the
"tooty-frooty" intro to "Pound for A Brown"?
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207820 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 05:58
Gary  
Which of the following is correct:

a) Imaginary Diseases is growing on me.
b) Imaginary Diseases am growing on me.
c) Imaginary Diseases are growing on me.
d) Imaginary Diseases be growing on me.

???
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207821 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 06:40
Charles Ulrich  
In article <1138078713.055150.13030 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Gary" <midicad2001 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> Which of the following is correct:
>
> a) Imaginary Diseases is growing on me.
> b) Imaginary Diseases am growing on me.
> c) Imaginary Diseases are growing on me.
> d) Imaginary Diseases be growing on me.

e) Imaginary Diseases smell like fish.

--Charles
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207823 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 12:49
Martin Gregorie  
Gary wrote:
> Which of the following is correct:
>
> a) Imaginary Diseases is growing on me.
> b) Imaginary Diseases am growing on me.
> c) Imaginary Diseases are growing on me.
> d) Imaginary Diseases be growing on me.
>
> ???
>
e) Imaginary Diseases are growing on YOOOUUUUU.

--
martin [at] | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207824 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 16:01
pbuzby2002  
Gary wrote:
> On a completely unrelated note, when did FZ STOP using the
> "tooty-frooty" intro to "Pound for A Brown"?

Hmm - did he use it with the Flo & Eddie bands? AFAIK he used it
through the end of the original Mothers, but not from '75 onward, and
the piece was not performed in 72-74.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207839 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 19:56
Mike Espinoza  
ZutboF wrote:
> I love more Zappa's instrumental music probably because i am french and
> dont catch all the jokes

Do not be too concerned. Some Americans don't catch the jokes.
--
Mike E.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207869 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 18:39
globual  
> Which of the following is correct:
>
> a) Imaginary Diseases is growing on me.
> b) Imaginary Diseases am growing on me.
> c) Imaginary Diseases are growing on me.
> d) Imaginary Diseases be growing on me.

e) Imaginary Diseases smell like fish.

--Charles


Act 2 of this play
which of the following could be a correct answer:

a) none of the above
b) there are three things that smell like fish and neither of the first two
is imaginary
c) long live differance!
d) "None of the Above" must not count
e) LOL

"Charles Ulrich" <ulrich [at] sfu.ca> wrote in message
news:ulrich-B58477.21404723012006 [at] shawnews...
> In article <1138078713.055150.13030 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Gary" <midicad2001 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Which of the following is correct:
>>
>> a) Imaginary Diseases is growing on me.
>> b) Imaginary Diseases am growing on me.
>> c) Imaginary Diseases are growing on me.
>> d) Imaginary Diseases be growing on me.
>
> e) Imaginary Diseases smell like fish.
>
> --Charles
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207872 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 00:30
Michael Gula  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

> Gary wrote:
>
>>On a completely unrelated note, when did FZ STOP using the
>>"tooty-frooty" intro to "Pound for A Brown"?
>
>
> Hmm - did he use it with the Flo & Eddie bands? AFAIK he used it
> through the end of the original Mothers, but not from '75 onward, and
> the piece was not performed in 72-74.
>
> Pat Buzby
> Chicago, IL


How would you characterize the intro as performed on The Yellow Shark CD?
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207874 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 03:39
pbuzby2002  
Michael Gula wrote:
> pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >>On a completely unrelated note, when did FZ STOP using the
> >>"tooty-frooty" intro to "Pound for A Brown"?
> >
> >
> > Hmm - did he use it with the Flo & Eddie bands? AFAIK he used it
> > through the end of the original Mothers, but not from '75 onward, and
> > the piece was not performed in 72-74.

> How would you characterize the intro as performed on The Yellow Shark CD?

If one accepts Gary's characterization of the 60's intro as
"tooty-frooty," one must acknowledge that this Ensemble Modern
arrangement represents a resurgence of tooty-frootiness.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases rant [message #207880 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 05:47
Gary  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Michael Gula wrote:
> > How would you characterize the intro as performed on The Yellow Shark CD?
>
> If one accepts Gary's characterization of the 60's intro as
> "tooty-frooty," one must acknowledge that this Ensemble Modern
> arrangement represents a resurgence of tooty-frootiness.
>
> Pat Buzby
> Chicago, IL

Heh, I read that somewhere else, I realize it is very sophisticated
musically.

Perhaps I shoulda narrowed my focus to bands that FZ himself played in.
As in rocke musicke settings.
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