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My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207752] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 20:41
pbuzby2002  
I got it today after ordering on Monday. Since FZ seemed a bit
dismissive of the 1972 bands in his later interview comments, it's very
intriguing to learn that he prepared mixes of this material. More of
these, please, Joe.

(I got Domage, too. Will check that out later.)

My comments:

ODDIENTS - Short intro with horn and audience exclamations.

ROLLO - As Milhouse has mentioned, this is only the section later used
in the Yellow Snow Suite in 78/79. However, having this in
professional quality makes it far easier to enjoy FZ's arrangement
skills than listening to the mediocre audience tapes which are all we
previously had. (The liner notes give a copyright date for this cut of
2004 while the rest of the disc is copyright 2005. Could this mean
anything?)

GOIN' TO KANSAS CITY IN A MINOR - Starts cold with Gary Barone's
trumpet solo and continues with solos by Duran, Ferris (I assume it's
him since it doesn't have the eccentricity I associate with Bruce
Fowler) and FZ. Not a candidate for my FZ top 10 but a good example of
the laid-back fusion jamming he permitted at his shows in the mid 70's.
Barone's playing easily matches the level Sal Marquez achieved in
72/73, as well as Walt Fowler in '88.

FARTHER O'BLIVION - The comments about the sound quality on "Rollo"
apply here too. Slower and more cautious than the Piquantique version,
but Ponty-bashers (who seem to be rather plentiful here) will be glad
to hear the piece without his participation. Here we get to hear
Fowler, as well as a Tom Malone tuba solo (in the earlier section where
Ponty soloed in '73) with a similar quirky character. Jim Gordon's
solo (with some interjections from the others) is great.

DC BOOGIE - Starts with a droning Indian/hippie-rock groove in D with
FZ, Duran, Parlato and Gordon and then (after what sounds like a
splice) we get a nice long FZ solo over this groove. Sounds like a
longer, slower sibling of the "Down In De Dew" solo. Then the key
changes to E and, after a few notes from the horns, we get FZ's
audience poll about how the piece should end. A boogie ensues with
solos by Duran and FZ.

IMAGINARY DISEASES - Glad to have an official release of this. Since
this piece is relatively simple and not hurt by mediocre audience
quality as much as Rollo or Farther Oblivion, I'm glad Joe found an
uncirculated version. FZ turns in one of those hot "overly long" solos
he liked to play in 72-74, getting especially good in the later half as
he starts working the Middle Eastern scales as well as finding some
cool bent-note licks.

MONTREAL - Another long FZ solo, this time in D (again) over an
unvarying 4/4 rock groove with a few horn riffs (which may have been
composed by FZ but are ordinary enough that they may have also been
worked up on the spot by the horns). This may be from one of those
Green Genes/Chunga's encores, but it's also likely to be an impromptu
jam. Not all that exciting but another glimpse of an uncirculated
show. Sound is good considering that it's from a cassette (better than
the Kansas City cut, for instance). FZ says goodnight and (after
another probable splice) a short raveup ends the disc.

Highlights - title track, FZ's solo in the first half of DC Boogie,
hearing Rollo and Farther Oblivion in good quality.

BTW, I hope Biffy has (had?) his stream-recording software fired up
since the San Diego '73 rap from the website is not on the disc.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207754 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 20:51
Milhouse Guidry of th[2]  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> I got it today after ordering on Monday. Since FZ seemed a bit
> dismissive of the 1972 bands in his later interview comments, it's very
> intriguing to learn that he prepared mixes of this material. More of
> these, please, Joe.
>
> (I got Domage, too. Will check that out later.)

You might be amused with when and where sections of "Big Swifty" pop up. :)

> ROLLO - As Milhouse has mentioned, this is only the section later used
> in the Yellow Snow Suite in 78/79. However, having this in
> professional quality makes it far easier to enjoy FZ's arrangement
> skills than listening to the mediocre audience tapes which are all we
> previously had. (The liner notes give a copyright date for this cut of
> 2004 while the rest of the disc is copyright 2005. Could this mean
> anything?)

It was released as an instrumental arrangement for the first time in
2004 on "Quadiophiliac", so.. that probably has something to do with
that. Note that on "Joe's Corsage" that "I Ain't Got No Heart" bears a
2004 copyright date presumably because it's a previously unreleased
arrangment of the song (because it has the "blues jam" at the beginning
which the other released versions do not have.)

> FARTHER O'BLIVION - The comments about the sound quality on "Rollo"
> apply here too. Slower and more cautious than the Piquantique version,
> but Ponty-bashers (who seem to be rather plentiful here) will be glad
> to hear the piece without his participation. Here we get to hear
> Fowler, as well as a Tom Malone tuba solo (in the earlier section where
> Ponty soloed in '73) with a similar quirky character. Jim Gordon's
> solo (with some interjections from the others) is great.

It's great to hear this cut, with all the horns, in a non-audience-tape
version. Of course, as someone who's been listening to "The Be-Bop
Tango" on Roxy and Elsewhere since I was a kid, and on AUD and SBD shows
in the last few years, this version is FRUSTRATINGLY slow! I'll get used
to it, of course (and as I mentioned earlier, an amusing side effect of
the tempo of this performance is the fact that "The Hook" is about seven
seconds long.) And I agree, Gordon's solo is fucking killer.


> MONTREAL - Another long FZ solo, this time in D (again) over an
> unvarying 4/4 rock groove with a few horn riffs (which may have been
> composed by FZ but are ordinary enough that they may have also been
> worked up on the spot by the horns). This may be from one of those
> Green Genes/Chunga's encores, but it's also likely to be an impromptu
> jam.

I've been wondering about that myself, due to said horn riffs, whether
it's from a long jam at the end of some song, or if it was a standalone
improvisation like the DC and Kansas City tracks.

> BTW, I hope Biffy has (had?) his stream-recording software fired up
> since the San Diego '73 rap from the website is not on the disc.

Ditto! Someone should really grab a .wav of that streaming from the
website, for posterity.

--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo
Sometime king of alt.pro-wrestling.dx
I have to pick up a frickin' pie at nine in the morning.

"I apologize and recognize the validity of your argument."
--"Whit Sterling", in one of the more absurdly unlikely
statements in the history of Usenet.

mWo. It's not just the coolest, it's fa lyfe, so survey says
whether you like it or don't like it, never E-e-e-ver tell
me he did *not* just SMELL what mWo 3:16 reeks of.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207755 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 20:59
pbuzby2002  
One thing I forgot -

The decision to include FZ criticizing the monitor mix at the end of
Rollo was a bit odd, but also admirable for adding to the disc's
authenticity in documenting the 72/73 FZ concert experience.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207756 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 21:09
Charles Ulrich  
In article <43fhk9F1mlj1mU1 [at] individual.net>,
Milhouse Authentico <milhouse_on_a_stick [at] derekmarvelli.org> wrote:

> pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > ROLLO - As Milhouse has mentioned, this is only the section later used
> > in the Yellow Snow Suite in 78/79. However, having this in
> > professional quality makes it far easier to enjoy FZ's arrangement
> > skills than listening to the mediocre audience tapes which are all we
> > previously had. (The liner notes give a copyright date for this cut of
> > 2004 while the rest of the disc is copyright 2005. Could this mean
> > anything?)
>
> It was released as an instrumental arrangement for the first time in
> 2004 on "Quadiophiliac", so.. that probably has something to do with
> that.

Probably more important than the vocal/instrumental distinction is the
fact that Quaudiophiliac was the first release of Rollo *under that
title*. The 1979 performance on YCDTOSA 1 was listed simply as Don't Eat
The Yellow Snow.

--Charles
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207757 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 21:16
Charles Ulrich  
In article <1137872460.304533.312190 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

> MONTREAL - Another long FZ solo, this time in D (again) over an
> unvarying 4/4 rock groove with a few horn riffs (which may have been
> composed by FZ but are ordinary enough that they may have also been
> worked up on the spot by the horns). This may be from one of those
> Green Genes/Chunga's encores, but it's also likely to be an impromptu
> jam.

The Petit Wazoo band didn't perform Son Of Mr. Green Genes until
December. (Well, maybe they played it in Wichita on November 30; that
show is not in circulation.) When they did perform it, it was separate
from Chunga's Revenge.

The Mr. Green Genes/King Kong/Chunga's Revenge encore medley was played
only in 1973.

--Charles
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207759 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 21:21
Chris West  
In article <1137873594.351772.97850 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com writes
>One thing I forgot -
>
>The decision to include FZ criticizing the monitor mix at the end of
>Rollo was a bit odd, but also admirable for adding to the disc's
>authenticity in documenting the 72/73 FZ concert experience.


Is it Brian again?
--
Chris West
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207760 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 21:31
Milhouse Guidry of th[2]  
Charles Ulrich wrote:
> In article <43fhk9F1mlj1mU1 [at] individual.net>,
> Milhouse Authentico <milhouse_on_a_stick [at] derekmarvelli.org> wrote:
>
>
>>pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>ROLLO - As Milhouse has mentioned, this is only the section later used
>>>in the Yellow Snow Suite in 78/79. However, having this in
>>>professional quality makes it far easier to enjoy FZ's arrangement
>>>skills than listening to the mediocre audience tapes which are all we
>>>previously had. (The liner notes give a copyright date for this cut of
>>>2004 while the rest of the disc is copyright 2005. Could this mean
>>>anything?)
>>
>>It was released as an instrumental arrangement for the first time in
>>2004 on "Quadiophiliac", so.. that probably has something to do with
>>that.
>
>
> Probably more important than the vocal/instrumental distinction is the
> fact that Quaudiophiliac was the first release of Rollo *under that
> title*. The 1979 performance on YCDTOSA 1 was listed simply as Don't Eat
> The Yellow Snow.

Ooh, good point! What about "I Ain't Got No Heart" on Joe's Corsage,
though? That was the example that came to my mind about an obviousy
previously released song with a new copyright date. The liner notes read...

All arrangements by FZ & FZ compositions published worldwide by Frank
Zappa/Munchkin Music.
(p) *(c) mmiv (or 2004) Zappa Family Trust

The titles which bear the asterisk are the interview excerpts, the
premiere of "I'm So Happy I Could Cry" and "I Ain't Got No Heart." And
the primary difference between this version of "I Ain't Got No Heart"
and the others is the arrangement (it has that upbeat "blues jam"
introduction.)

--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo
Sometime king of alt.pro-wrestling.dx
I have to pick up a frickin' pie at nine in the morning.

"I apologize and recognize the validity of your argument."
--"Whit Sterling", in one of the more absurdly unlikely
statements in the history of Usenet.

mWo. It's not just the coolest, it's fa lyfe, so survey says
whether you like it or don't like it, never E-e-e-ver tell
me he did *not* just SMELL what mWo 3:16 reeks of.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207762 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 21:34
Milhouse Guidry of th[2]  
Chris West wrote:
> In article <1137873594.351772.97850 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com writes
>
>> One thing I forgot -
>>
>> The decision to include FZ criticizing the monitor mix at the end of
>> Rollo was a bit odd, but also admirable for adding to the disc's
>> authenticity in documenting the 72/73 FZ concert experience.
>
>
>
> Is it Brian again?

Barry, actually.

--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo
Sometime king of alt.pro-wrestling.dx
I have to pick up a frickin' pie at nine in the morning.

"I apologize and recognize the validity of your argument."
--"Whit Sterling", in one of the more absurdly unlikely
statements in the history of Usenet.

mWo. It's not just the coolest, it's fa lyfe, so survey says
whether you like it or don't like it, never E-e-e-ver tell
me he did *not* just SMELL what mWo 3:16 reeks of.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207763 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 21:34
pbuzby2002  
Charles Ulrich wrote:
> Probably more important than the vocal/instrumental distinction is the
> fact that Quaudiophiliac was the first release of Rollo *under that
> title*.

....unless Saarbrucken counts.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207765 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 22:37
Charles Ulrich  
In article <1137875645.584924.109850 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

> Charles Ulrich wrote:
> > Probably more important than the vocal/instrumental distinction is the
> > fact that Quaudiophiliac was the first release of Rollo *under that
> > title*.
>
> ...unless Saarbrucken counts.

And I'm pretty sure that it doesn't, in Gail's thinking.

--Charles
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207767 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 23:11
Oscar Bianco  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com ha scritto:

> BTW, I hope Biffy has (had?) his stream-recording software fired up
> since the San Diego '73 rap from the website is not on the disc.

Be sure, the San Diego rap is safely recorded, even if Biffi has (had?)
his stuff out of order.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207769 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 23:25
Oscar Bianco  
Charles Ulrich ha scritto:

> In article <1137872460.304533.312190 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > MONTREAL - Another long FZ solo, this time in D (again) over an
> > unvarying 4/4 rock groove with a few horn riffs (which may have been
> > composed by FZ but are ordinary enough that they may have also been
> > worked up on the spot by the horns). This may be from one of those
> > Green Genes/Chunga's encores, but it's also likely to be an impromptu
> > jam.
>
> The Petit Wazoo band didn't perform Son Of Mr. Green Genes until
> December. (Well, maybe they played it in Wichita on November 30; that
> show is not in circulation.) When they did perform it, it was separate
> from Chunga's Revenge.
>
> The Mr. Green Genes/King Kong/Chunga's Revenge encore medley was played
> only in 1973.
>
> --Charles

And on March 8, 1974 in Kansas City
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207770 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 00:05
Charles Ulrich  
In article <1137882331.778721.177800 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"oscar bianco" <scrbnc [at] yahoo.it> wrote:

> Charles Ulrich ha scritto:
>
> > The Mr. Green Genes/King Kong/Chunga's Revenge encore medley was played
> > only in 1973.
>
> And on March 8, 1974 in Kansas City

Thanks for pointing that out. It seems my copy is incomplete.

--Charles

--Charles
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207774 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 02:05
Strictly Commercial  
Charles Ulrich wrote:
> In article <43fhk9F1mlj1mU1 [at] individual.net>,
> Milhouse Authentico <milhouse_on_a_stick [at] derekmarvelli.org> wrote:
>
>>pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>ROLLO - As Milhouse has mentioned, this is only the section later used
>>>in the Yellow Snow Suite in 78/79. However, having this in
>>>professional quality makes it far easier to enjoy FZ's arrangement
>>>skills than listening to the mediocre audience tapes which are all we
>>>previously had. (The liner notes give a copyright date for this cut of
>>>2004 while the rest of the disc is copyright 2005. Could this mean
>>>anything?)
>>
>>It was released as an instrumental arrangement for the first time in
>>2004 on "Quadiophiliac", so.. that probably has something to do with
>>that.
>
> Probably more important than the vocal/instrumental distinction is the
> fact that Quaudiophiliac was the first release of Rollo *under that
> title*. The 1979 performance on YCDTOSA 1 was listed simply as Don't Eat
> The Yellow Snow.

There are separate copyrights in the composition and the performance. In
either case, I don't think the date provided with the copyright notice
has all that much probative value, as the lawyers say; the liner notes
could say (c) 1917 and it wouldn't mean anything if the recording or
composition was actually made in 1971.

I'm not that familiar with US copyright law. I'm pretty certain that
copyright in the compositions remains in force until January 1, 2064: 70
years after the last day of the year of the death of the composer. I
don't know the current state of US law with respect to performances;
FZ's performance of Wedding Dress Song / Handsome Cabin Boy is likely to
enter the public domain some time before his recordings of his own
compositions, but I don't know exactly when. Of course, Disney might
rewrite US copyright law several times between now and then anyway;
there's no certainty that in a few years we'll even have such a thing as
the "public domain" anymore.

Rolf
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207779 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 08:17
zutbof  
Thanks verry interesting critic!!
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207780 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 09:54
Oscar Bianco  
Actually in this case the encore medley consist of
King Kong / Chunga / Green Genes
(no Green Genes at the start).
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207788 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 17:06
Dan Buxbaum  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:


>
> DC BOOGIE - Starts with a droning Indian/hippie-rock groove in D with
> FZ, Duran, Parlato and Gordon and then (after what sounds like a
> splice) we get a nice long FZ solo over this groove. Sounds like a
> longer, slower sibling of the "Down In De Dew" solo.

with a little bit of "Apostrophe" flavor as well....

(That melodic sustain and "bagpipe" sound in the 'opening' FZ solo on DC
Boogie blows me away every time i hear it!)
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207798 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 22:10
Dan Buxbaum  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> I got it today after ordering on Monday. Since FZ seemed a bit
> dismissive of the 1972 bands in his later interview comments, it's very
> intriguing to learn that he prepared mixes of this material. More of
> these, please, Joe.
>

>
> IMAGINARY DISEASES - Glad to have an official release of this. Since
> this piece is relatively simple and not hurt by mediocre audience
> quality as much as Rollo or Farther Oblivion, I'm glad Joe found an
> uncirculated version.

You mean Zappa picked an "uncirculated version" to mix and master.

(FZ's mixes can be 'unusual' but reliable; will we ever really be able
to completely trust a non-Zappa mix? [I hope so, because it would be
nice to get some (more) full-concert-type material.]



> FZ turns in one of those hot "overly long" solos he liked to play in 72-74,


I agree. Very "Montana" like in it's attack and tempi.


--
n.p.: Gentle Giant- German TV '74 (mono) redo
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207799 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 22:15
pbuzby2002  
Dan Buxbaum wrote:

> > IMAGINARY DISEASES - Glad to have an official release of this. Since
> > this piece is relatively simple and not hurt by mediocre audience
> > quality as much as Rollo or Farther Oblivion, I'm glad Joe found an
> > uncirculated version.
>
> You mean Zappa picked an "uncirculated version" to mix and master.

Assuming this was the only one he mixed, yes.

> (FZ's mixes can be 'unusual' but reliable; will we ever really be able
> to completely trust a non-Zappa mix? [I hope so, because it would be
> nice to get some (more) full-concert-type material.]

Not sure about the mixes, but it took me a while to get used to the
idea of FZ material getting released which FZ didn't pick. (Don't let
that stop you, Joe.)

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207807 ] Mo, 23 Januar 2006 10:22
Strictly Commercial  
Strictly Commercial wrote:
> FZ's performance of Wedding Dress Song / Handsome Cabin Boy is likely to
> enter the public domain some time before his recordings of his own
> compositions, but I don't know exactly when.

Before anybody jumps in to set me straight ... what I said is not quite
right. The copyright clock starts ticking on a performance of a
composition when it's issued (released), not when it's performed.
However, Wedding Dress Song / Handsome Cabin Boy was first released
circa 1984 and so it should enter the public domain a bit sooner than
FZ's own compositions, weather and authorities permitting, of course.

Rolf
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207827 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 17:06
Dan Buxbaum  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Dan Buxbaum wrote:
>
>
>>>IMAGINARY DISEASES - Glad to have an official release of this. Since
>>>this piece is relatively simple and not hurt by mediocre audience
>>>quality as much as Rollo or Farther Oblivion, I'm glad Joe found an
>>>uncirculated version.
>>
>>You mean Zappa picked an "uncirculated version" to mix and master.
>
>
> Assuming this was the only one he mixed, yes.
>
>
>>(FZ's mixes can be 'unusual' but reliable; will we ever really be able
>>to completely trust a non-Zappa mix? [I hope so, because it would be
>>nice to get some (more) full-concert-type material.]
>
>
> Not sure about the mixes, but it took me a while to get used to the
> idea of FZ material getting released which FZ didn't pick. (Don't let
> that stop you, Joe.)
>

Huh? I guess you are not referring to ID because every track on this was
initially selected & mixed down by Zappa:

"PRODUCED BY FRANK ZAPPA"
"All tracks mixed, edited & tweaked by FZ."
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207828 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 17:21
pbuzby2002  
Dan Buxbaum wrote:
> > Not sure about the mixes, but it took me a while to get used to the
> > idea of FZ material getting released which FZ didn't pick. (Don't let
> > that stop you, Joe.)
> >
>
> Huh? I guess you are not referring to ID because every track on this was
> initially selected & mixed down by Zappa

My reference would apply more directly to OZ, Domage, X-Masage and
Corsage since (AFAIK) there isn't evidence that FZ had any desire to
release that material. It could also apply somewhat to ID since,
although he mixed the material, he didn't end up releasing it while he
was alive.

However, the fact that he released an '84 version of "Advance Romance"
while letting "DC Boogie" sit in the vault is evidence that some
second-guessing wouldn't have been entirely out of order.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207831 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 17:42
Dan Buxbaum  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:


>
> My reference would apply more directly to OZ, Domage, X-Masage and
> Corsage since (AFAIK) there isn't evidence that FZ had any desire to
> release that material.

Coincidence that I'm not interested at all in Domage, X-Massage and
Corsage? And OZ is quite the dull show, and with an artificial &
'unbalanced' (listen to that bass!) sound mix. (The editing of the
audience tape sections in was well-down though.)

My point was that i dig ID--and I'm not sure if it's because FZ selected
the tracks and had the 'final say' with the mixdown. Could be wrong but
it appears Mr. Travers' main "job" with this was transferring Frank's
analog masters to digital. No mixing or track selection by Joe..

I'm hoping that the ZFT is capable themselves (without the master's
touch) to take something like the unmixed 4-track tapes from Passaic NJ
5-9-73 (HINT, HINT!) and to be able to skillfully edit and mix them down
to a release-able digital (stereo, or beyond) master.

--
and if the Roxy DVD is "too hard" to sync the video/audio how'z about an
audio Roxy '73 release in the interim?

(still digging ID of course.)
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207837 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 19:33
Mike Espinoza  
Dan Buxbaum wrote:
> pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>>
> > My reference would apply more directly to OZ, Domage, X-Masage and
> > Corsage since (AFAIK) there isn't evidence that FZ had any desire to
> > release that material.
>
> Coincidence that I'm not interested at all in Domage, X-Massage and
> Corsage? And OZ is quite the dull show, and with an artificial &
> 'unbalanced' (listen to that bass!) sound mix. (The editing of the
> audience tape sections in was well-down though.)

I couldn't agree more. Also, I think that Halloween was a dull show
that just happened to begin (Ancient Armaments) and end (Black
Napkins/Deathless Horsie) well.

> My point was that i dig ID--and I'm not sure if it's because FZ selected
> the tracks and had the 'final say' with the mixdown. Could be wrong but
> it appears Mr. Travers' main "job" with this was transferring Frank's
> analog masters to digital. No mixing or track selection by Joe..

Maybe. That sounds kind of harsh, though. The Corsaga is what it is.
It was never designed to be the holy grail.

I'm sure Joe is doing what he can and that most of us would probably
not fare any better in the same environment. As Frank once said, "It's
a big can."

QuAudiopheliac showed that Dweezil can get the tapes mixed pretty well.
I don't know that anyone has mastered the art of track selection,
though.

This shouldn't be an issue with Dance Me This or Trance-Fusion, though,
which makes it all the more puzzling why they remain unreleased.

Still digging ID, though.
--
Mike E.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207838 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 19:45
Mike Espinoza  
Mike Espinoza wrote:
> QuAudiopheliac showed that Dweezil can get the tapes mixed pretty well.

On the other hand, they were derived from Frank's original Quad mixes,
so I don't know how much work Dweezil had to do.
--
Mike E.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207843 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 21:18
pbuzby2002  
Mike Espinoza wrote:
> I couldn't agree more. Also, I think that Halloween was a dull show
> that just happened to begin (Ancient Armaments) and end (Black
> Napkins/Deathless Horsie) well.

More precisely, it's a mediocre selection from one of the best runs of
shows FZ did.

> Maybe. That sounds kind of harsh, though. The Corsaga is what it is.
> It was never designed to be the holy grail.

I like Domage , might have bought OZ if I didn't already have a good
audience tape of that show, skipped Corsage and Xmassage because I'm
not a big fan of that era of FZ.

I agree, though, that it's puzzling (to use your word) that they have
been releasing material targeted towards small subsets of the FZ
audience rather than more widely desired stuff. I'm hoping that ID
represents the light at the end of the tunnel.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207845 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 21:58
Milhouse Guidry of th[2]  
pbuzby2002 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Dan Buxbaum wrote:
>
>>>Not sure about the mixes, but it took me a while to get used to the
>>>idea of FZ material getting released which FZ didn't pick. (Don't let
>>>that stop you, Joe.)
>>>
>>
>>Huh? I guess you are not referring to ID because every track on this was
>>initially selected & mixed down by Zappa
>
>
> My reference would apply more directly to OZ, Domage, X-Masage and
> Corsage since (AFAIK) there isn't evidence that FZ had any desire to
> release that material.

Some of "Joe's Corsage" (I think the Mothers studio demo with Henry
Vestine) was mixed by FZ and Bob Stone circa 1989. Had Old Masters Box
Three come out by that point? Perhaps he intended it for the third
Mystery Disc which ended up not going in the box.


--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo
Sometime king of alt.pro-wrestling.dx
I have to pick up a frickin' pie at nine in the morning.

"I apologize and recognize the validity of your argument."
--"Whit Sterling", in one of the more absurdly unlikely
statements in the history of Usenet.

mWo. It's not just the coolest, it's fa lyfe, so survey says
whether you like it or don't like it, never E-e-e-ver tell
me he did *not* just SMELL what mWo 3:16 reeks of.
Re: My Imaginary Diseases recap [message #207846 ] Di, 24 Januar 2006 22:13
Biffy the Elephant Sh  
Milhouse Authentico wrote:

>Some of "Joe's Corsage" (I think the Mothers studio demo with Henry
>Vestine) was mixed by FZ and Bob Stone circa 1989. Had Old Masters Box
>Three come out by that point? Perhaps he intended it for the third
>Mystery Disc which ended up not going in the box.

It seems unlikely to me that Zappa would have considered a Mystery Disc
containing pre-Freak Out material to accompany a box set of '70s
albums.

Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
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