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300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205743]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 08:21

Tim Bruening

Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
electricity.

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205762 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 13:57

Matt Clara

"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:43CDEC7B.91D026EE [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> electricity.
>

I think he was a Ravenclaw...
;-)
--
Regards,
Matt Clara
www.mattclara.com

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205780 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 16:26

Bill Patterson

Time to get out the Autobiography and read it again -- it's a perennial
favorite.

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205782 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 16:42

stuff

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205794 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 18:40

janica.hindle

Once upon a time - for example, Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:42:57 GMT - there
was this guy, or something, called "sTuFf" <20 [at] something.com>, and
they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:

>> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
>> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
>> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
>> electricity.
>
>Wooo... somebody calm me down.

*throws a cup of thick molasses on sTuFf*

C&J

--
Beware of Trojans, they're complete smegheads.

- 13 & 13b of 12, the CMM Collective.
- www.afrj-monkeyhouse.org

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205801 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 19:36

Murphoid

Tim Bruening wrote:
> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> electricity.

"Mutiny is a charge invented by the winners of a war as an excuse for
hanging the loosers"

"Love thy neighbor but don't tear down your hedges"

"If we don't hang together we will surely hang seperately"

(With respect)
"To hell with Great Britain"

(And finally)
"God helps those who help themselves"
(it's all Franklin, it's NOT in the Bible)

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205805 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 18:51

BubblyBabs

In the previous message Chucky & Janica janica.hindle [at] kolumbus.finland
wrote:

> Once upon a time - for example, Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:42:57 GMT - there
> was this guy, or something, called "sTuFf" <20 [at] something.com>, and
> they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
>>> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin,
>>> one of the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of
>>> Independence and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a
>>> storm to discover electricity.
>>
>> Wooo... somebody calm me down.
>
> *throws a cup of thick molasses on sTuFf*
>

heh, I found sTuFI's response kind of funny...
Babs

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205806 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 18:52

BubblyBabs

In the previous message Matt Clara no.emailz [at] this.guys.expense wrote:

> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:43CDEC7B.91D026EE [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin,
>> one of the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of
>> Independence and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a
>> storm to discover electricity.
>>
>
> I think he was a Ravenclaw...
> ;-)

Heh, that kept the subject on topic now didn't it?
Babs

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205809 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 20:41

mcdowella

In article <1137598007.252637.239390 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Bill
Patterson <WHPatterson [at] gmail.com> writes
>Time to get out the Autobiography and read it again -- it's a perennial
>favorite.
>
Definitely worth a read, though I'm afraid I've only referred to my copy
for years, not actually read it through. He's somebody I'd really like
to think could look and see us from beyond the veil - if only so he
could see the Internet and the laser printer.
--
A.G.McDowell

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205812 ]

Mi, 18 Januar 2006 22:13

Dan Drake

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:36:22 UTC, "Murphoid" <Murphoid [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Tim Bruening wrote:
> > Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> > the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> > and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> > electricity.
>
> "Mutiny is a charge invented by the winners of a war as an excuse for
> hanging the loosers"
>...[etc -- good stuff]

ALso, for those who might be more excited by knowledge than by American
politics, one of the leading scientists of his day, a Fellow of the Royal
Society though he was an ignorant colonial with no family and no
education. (Also won the Copley Medal.) (All of which was highly useful
when he was needed as a political spokesman; who says knowledge isn't
power?) Speaks as well for science (and for that little subculture in
18th-century England) as for Franklin.

--
Dan Drake
dd [at] dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/
porlockjr.blogspot.com

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205830 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 01:33

Tim Bruening

Bill Patterson wrote:

> Time to get out the Autobiography and read it again -- it's a perennial
> favorite.

Autobiography: Life story of a car.

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205831 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 01:33

Tim Bruening

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205832 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 01:35

David Chapman

From the Collected Witterings of Dan Drake, volume 23:
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:36:22 UTC, "Murphoid" <Murphoid [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
>>> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
>>> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
>>> electricity.
>>
>> "Mutiny is a charge invented by the winners of a war as an excuse for
>> hanging the loosers"
>> ...[etc -- good stuff]
>
> ALso, for those who might be more excited by knowledge than by American
> politics, one of the leading scientists of his day, a Fellow of the Royal
> Society though he was an ignorant colonial with no family and no
> education. (Also won the Copley Medal.) (All of which was highly useful
> when he was needed as a political spokesman; who says knowledge isn't
> power?) Speaks as well for science (and for that little subculture in
> 18th-century England) as for Franklin.

He was also a self-confessed whoremonger who fathered a bastard on one of
his paramours and recommended to a friend that he curb his sexual urges
through affairs with women over 45, putting a bag over their head if
necessary. Plus, it's worth mentioning that he wanted America to remain in
the British Empire as a self-governing state and only switched his support
to the Revolution when he realised it wasn't going to happen in his
lifetime.

Moral: Put not your trust in princes.

--
"My son is not a terrorist - he is a junior IT support officer."

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205834 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 02:07

Baronjosefr

"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:43CDEC7B.91D026EE [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> electricity.
>

And what would Ben be doing if he were alive today? Scratching at the inside
of his casket, that's what.

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205835 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 02:27

rgorman

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:35:48 -0000, "David Chapman"
<jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>From the Collected Witterings of Dan Drake, volume 23:
>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:36:22 UTC, "Murphoid" <Murphoid [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>>> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
>>>> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
>>>> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
>>>> electricity.
>>>
>>> "Mutiny is a charge invented by the winners of a war as an excuse for
>>> hanging the loosers"
>>> ...[etc -- good stuff]
>>
>> ALso, for those who might be more excited by knowledge than by American
>> politics, one of the leading scientists of his day, a Fellow of the Royal
>> Society though he was an ignorant colonial with no family and no
>> education. (Also won the Copley Medal.) (All of which was highly useful
>> when he was needed as a political spokesman; who says knowledge isn't
>> power?) Speaks as well for science (and for that little subculture in
>> 18th-century England) as for Franklin.
>
>He was also a self-confessed whoremonger who fathered a bastard on one of

That word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Franklin
never lived off the avails of prostitution.

>his paramours and recommended to a friend that he curb his sexual urges
>through affairs with women over 45, putting a bag over their head if
>necessary. Plus, it's worth mentioning that he wanted America to remain in
>the British Empire as a self-governing state and only switched his support
>to the Revolution when he realised it wasn't going to happen in his
>lifetime.

The problem with that being?

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205841 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 04:59

John

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:21:31 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
>the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
>and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
>electricity.

The house in which he lived in London, England has been restored, and
will shortly be opening to the public as a museum. It is just off
Trafalgar Square. It served as the United States' first embassy, and
Franklin made a number of his inventions, including bifocal glasses,
while living there.

I once stayed at a small hotel next door to this house; I remember
that the house had a small brass plaque on the wall telling about
Franklin.

--
John F. Eldredge -- john [at] jfeldredge.com
PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205860 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 12:34

Alex Mars

Ben Franklin, the only president of the United States that was never
president of the United States.

-The Firesign Theatre

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205875 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 16:10

Blaise D West

"Murphoid" <Murphoid [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137609382.907835.295770 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
>> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
>> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
>> electricity.

> "Love thy neighbor but don't tear down your hedges"

Yes.They make an ideal place to hide the neibor-loving from her husband.
Blaise

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205886 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 20:11

janica.hindle

Once upon a time - for example, Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:33:52 -0800 -
there was this guy, or something, called Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, and they made us all feel better by
saying the following stuff:

>>>> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin,
>>>> one of the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of
>>>> Independence and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a
>>>> storm to discover electricity.
>>>
>>> Wooo... somebody calm me down.
>>
>> *throws a cup of thick molasses on sTuFf*
>
>How do you do that over the Internet?

It's only possible with a 56K modem.

C&J

--
Beware of Trojans, they're complete smegheads.

- 13 & 13b of 12, the CMM Collective.
- www.afrj-monkeyhouse.org

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205892 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 21:06

Pubkeybreaker

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205898 ]

Do, 19 Januar 2006 21:23

rgorman

On 19 Jan 2006 12:06:18 -0800, "Pubkeybreaker"
<Robert_silverman [at] raytheon.com> wrote:

>
>Tim Bruening wrote:
>> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
>> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
>> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
>> electricity.
>
>"Those willing to give up liberty for safety are deserving of neither"
> - B. Franklin
>
>
>It is too bad that too many Americans no longer believe this.

It is too bad that so many Americans insist on misquoting Benjamin
Franklin that way.

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205911 ]

Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:01

Rik Shepherd

John F. Eldredge wrote

> The house in which he lived in London, England has been restored, and
> will shortly be opening to the public as a museum. It is just off
> Trafalgar Square. It served as the United States' first embassy, and
> Franklin made a number of his inventions, including bifocal glasses,
> while living there.
>
> I once stayed at a small hotel next door to this house; I remember
> that the house had a small brass plaque on the wall telling about
> Franklin.

That's the place they found the remains of four adults and six children
buried under the house and dating to the time Mr Franklin was there, isn't
it ?

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205922 ]

Fr, 20 Januar 2006 03:24

Jan van Aalderen

Tim Bruening wrote:
> Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> electricity.
>

Obviously, he failed in doing the latter (unless you forgot to mention
he was struck by lightning at that occasion). About the former: how does
the insignificant historic event of a politician helping to write some
paper even remotely relate to Harry Potter?

--
Vriendelijke groet,
Jan van Aalderen, Amstelveen
*----------------------------------------------------------- --*
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Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205960 ]

Fr, 20 Januar 2006 14:09

David Chapman

From the Collected Witterings of Jan van Aalderen, volume 23:
> how does
> the insignificant historic event of a politician helping to write some
> paper even remotely relate to Harry Potter?

It's not even as if the fans want to know. The average 10 year old cares
little about the details of history.

--
"My son is not a terrorist - he is a junior IT support officer."

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205970 ]

Fr, 20 Januar 2006 19:11

Cambias

Jan van Aalderen wrote:
> Tim Bruening wrote:
> > Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> > the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> > and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> > electricity.
> >
>
> Obviously, he failed in doing the latter (unless you forgot to mention
> he was struck by lightning at that occasion). About the former: how does
> the insignificant historic event of a politician helping to write some
> paper even remotely relate to Harry Potter?
>
It goes like this:

1. Franklin helps draft the Constitution.
2. In honor of this, one of the ships in the US Navy is named
Constitution.
3. 150 years later, Star Trek uses the "Constitution-class" as the
type of starship the Enterprise belongs to.
4. Trekkies often bought sets of rubber Vulcan ears (NOT vulcanized
rubber ears).
5. Janet Rowling was a closet Trekkie and had some.
6. In 1987 she found the ears in a shoebox in her closet and put them
on, musing how much she looked like an elf.
7. Under an assumed name she started writing elf porn slash fiction
about Legolas and Gandalf.
8. In 1991, someone asked her "So how to wizards have time to learn
any magic when they're so busy sodomizing elves?"
9. Musing about that was the inspiration for Hogwarts. In the first
draft there was a lot of sodomizing, but she cut it out for
publication. Note that just about _all_ Harry Potter gay slash
fiction, especially any stories involving Dumbledore and Malfoy, are
written by J.K. Rowling herself under a false name.

Any questions?

Cambias

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205980 ]

Fr, 20 Januar 2006 20:39

Dan Drake

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:33:52 UTC, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> In the previous message Chucky & Janica janica.hindle [at] kolumbus.finland
> wrote:
> ...
> >>
> >> Wooo... somebody calm me down.
> >
> > *throws a cup of thick molasses on sTuFf*
>
> How do you do that over the Internet?

Homeopathically. Haven't you heard of Benveniste's successful experiment
in using the Internet to transmit to some pure water the memory that
something (much less than one molecule of it, of course) had been
dissolved in a different batch of water?

No? Lucky you.

Unfortunately, when you transmit homeopathic doses of molasses, it makes
the recipient UNsticky. Maybe it would be better to hold off.

--
Dan Drake
dd [at] dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/
porlockjr.blogspot.com

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #205981 ]

Fr, 20 Januar 2006 20:45

Dan Drake

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:01:11 UTC, "Rik Shepherd"
<RikShepherd [at] orangemonkeySCAMPER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> John F. Eldredge wrote
>
> > The house in which he lived in London, England has been restored, and
> > will shortly be opening to the public as a museum. It is just off
> > Trafalgar Square. It served as the United States' first embassy, and
> > Franklin made a number of his inventions, including bifocal glasses,
> > while living there.
> >
> > I once stayed at a small hotel next door to this house; I remember
> > that the house had a small brass plaque on the wall telling about
> > Franklin.
>
> That's the place they found the remains of four adults and six children
> buried under the house and dating to the time Mr Franklin was there, isn't
> it ?

Yup. Moral: don't sublet parts of your property to an anatomist if you're
worried about what silly people may think 200 years later.

At least the local cornoer has a sense of humo[u]r: "I cannot totally
discount the possibility of a crime. There is still a possibility that I
may have to hold an inquest." Right, sure.

--
Dan Drake
dd [at] dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/
porlockjr.blogspot.com

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206114 ]

Sa, 21 Januar 2006 23:26

Tim Bruening

Pubkeybreaker wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
> > Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> > the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> > and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> > electricity.
>
> "Those willing to give up liberty for safety are deserving of neither"
> - B. Franklin
>
> It is too bad that too many Americans no longer believe this. They are
> willing to give up their civil rights for safety. Bleh.

Or unwilling to fight for their freedom from terrorism.

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206115 ]

Sa, 21 Januar 2006 23:27

Tim Bruening

Rik Shepherd wrote:

> John F. Eldredge wrote
>
> > The house in which he lived in London, England has been restored, and
> > will shortly be opening to the public as a museum. It is just off
> > Trafalgar Square. It served as the United States' first embassy, and
> > Franklin made a number of his inventions, including bifocal glasses,
> > while living there.
> >
> > I once stayed at a small hotel next door to this house; I remember
> > that the house had a small brass plaque on the wall telling about
> > Franklin.
>
> That's the place they found the remains of four adults and six children
> buried under the house and dating to the time Mr Franklin was there, isn't
> it ?

Are you accusing him of murder?

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206116 ]

Sa, 21 Januar 2006 23:29

Tim Bruening

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206117 ]

Sa, 21 Januar 2006 23:30

Tim Bruening

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206120 ]

Sa, 21 Januar 2006 23:45

Tim Bruening

Dan Drake wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:33:52 UTC, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > In the previous message Chucky & Janica janica.hindle [at] kolumbus.finland
> > wrote:
> > ...
> > >>
> > >> Wooo... somebody calm me down.
> > >
> > > *throws a cup of thick molasses on sTuFf*
> >
> > How do you do that over the Internet?
>
> Homeopathically. Haven't you heard of Benveniste's successful experiment
> in using the Internet to transmit to some pure water the memory that
> something (much less than one molecule of it, of course) had been
> dissolved in a different batch of water?
>
> No? Lucky you.
>
> Unfortunately, when you transmit homeopathic doses of molasses, it makes
> the recipient UNsticky. Maybe it would be better to hold off.

In which issue of which scientific journal can I read of the about
experiment?

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206146 ]

So, 22 Januar 2006 02:28

Dan Drake

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:45:45 UTC, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>
>
> Dan Drake wrote:
>... Haven't you heard of Benveniste's successful experiment
> > in using the Internet to transmit to some pure water the memory that
> > something (much less than one molecule of it, of course) had been
> > dissolved in a different batch of water?
> >...
> In which issue of which scientific journal can I read of the about
> experiment?

Do I detect a hint of skepticism in your query? Well, here's the answer.

You won't like this.

_Nature_. (Yes, *that* Nature, the one in England that serious scientists
will sell their grandmothers to get into.)

Well, actually, it was his previous paper, in which he used immunological
techniques to show that water remembered the former presence of something
that had been diluted entirely out of existence, that got into Nature and
caused a colossal stink about 15 years ago. By the time he did the
Internet thing, Nature had long since come to its senses and disavowed the
thing. Vastly more embarrassing than the hijacking of _Science_ (the other
one of the two most kill-to-publish-there journals in the world) by a
_legitimate_ scientific fraud.

I've forgotten the exact citation, but it's easy enough to Google for it.
Be warned: most of the references you will find in your search insist that
he was right, and the evil scientific establishment conspired against him.
You know, like Galileo. And his supporters are still outraged that the
scientific committee that was sent to look into Benveniste's procedures
had, as an on-site consultant, the Amazing Randi.

Did Marx get it wrong? Contemporary history of science repeated itself,
the first time as farce (Benvenists, Nature) and the second time as
tragedy (stem cells, Science) of a minor sort.

--
Dan Drake
dd [at] dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/
porlockjr.blogspot.com

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206174 ]

So, 22 Januar 2006 07:53

Ilya the Recusant

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>
>Pubkeybreaker wrote:
>
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>> > Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
>> > the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
>> > and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
>> > electricity.
>>
>> "Those willing to give up liberty for safety are deserving of neither"
>> - B. Franklin
>>
>> It is too bad that too many Americans no longer believe this. They are
>> willing to give up their civil rights for safety. Bleh.
>
>Or unwilling to fight for their freedom from terrorism.

From the bureaucracy that terrorises them, right?

I agree.

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206266 ]

So, 22 Januar 2006 19:26

Rik Shepherd

Tim Bruening wrote

> Are you accusing him of murder?

Of course not. But human remains equal to six children and four adults were
found buried under his house, and have been dated to the time he lived
there. It's a very big jump to accuse Mr Franklin of murder. There's
probably dozens of reasons why someone might have bodies in their cellars.

Apparently Franklin sublet part of his house to a surgeon who did anatomy
lessons. Because this was before the law allowed surgeons to cut up anyone
who died in a Parish Workhouse, it's extremely likely that the subjects had
been dug up from a local graveyard (St Martin's in the Fields is at the end
of the street, very handy), and you can't really take the bits back
afterwards, which would explain the burying in the cellars. All the remains
showed signs of having been cut about with surgeons instruments.

So... not Franklin's murders, not Franklin's bodies, and put there without
him noticing or being aware of anything, what with him being <sarcasm>the
sort of person who wasn't interested in anything around him at all, never
made experiments and took everything at face value</sarcasm>. I'm not
totally convinced that he wouldn't go and watch a dissection if he had the
opportunity, even if it was illegal. Unless he was only interested in
electricity and giving advice on the advisibility of bags over heads during
lovemaking, which I seriously doubt.

On the other hand, it did occur to me that someone could write a wicked
alternative history in which Ben Franklin, serial killer, starts the
American Revolution to escape British justice... Okay, maybe not.

The Franklin House people say that this is the last surviving building
anywhere that Franklin lived in, which implies all his American houses have
been knocked down. I believe it's been opened as a 'living history
experience' museum this last week.

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206368 ]

Mo, 23 Januar 2006 13:25

westprog

"Rik Shepherd" <RikShepherd [at] orangemonkeySCAMPER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
message news:43d3ce50 [at] news.bnb-lp.com...
> Tim Bruening wrote
>
> > Are you accusing him of murder?
>
> Of course not. But human remains equal to six children and four adults
were
> found buried under his house, and have been dated to the time he lived
> there. It's a very big jump to accuse Mr Franklin of murder. There's
> probably dozens of reasons why someone might have bodies in their cellars.
>
> Apparently Franklin sublet part of his house to a surgeon who did anatomy
> lessons. Because this was before the law allowed surgeons to cut up
anyone
> who died in a Parish Workhouse, it's extremely likely that the subjects
had
> been dug up from a local graveyard (St Martin's in the Fields is at the
end
> of the street, very handy), and you can't really take the bits back
> afterwards, which would explain the burying in the cellars. All the
remains
> showed signs of having been cut about with surgeons instruments.
>
> So... not Franklin's murders, not Franklin's bodies, and put there without
> him noticing or being aware of anything, what with him being <sarcasm>the
> sort of person who wasn't interested in anything around him at all, never
> made experiments and took everything at face value</sarcasm>. I'm not
> totally convinced that he wouldn't go and watch a dissection if he had the
> opportunity, even if it was illegal. Unless he was only interested in
> electricity and giving advice on the advisibility of bags over heads
during
> lovemaking, which I seriously doubt.

He was a man who was interested in just about everything.

> On the other hand, it did occur to me that someone could write a wicked
> alternative history in which Ben Franklin, serial killer, starts the
> American Revolution to escape British justice... Okay, maybe not.

I'm five pages in since starting this post. He's already building his time
machine.

> The Franklin House people say that this is the last surviving building
> anywhere that Franklin lived in, which implies all his American houses
have
> been knocked down. I believe it's been opened as a 'living history
> experience' museum this last week.

J/

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206447 ]

Mo, 23 Januar 2006 23:04

Tim Bruening

Ilya the Recusant wrote:

> In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Pubkeybreaker wrote:
> >
> >> Tim Bruening wrote:
> >> > Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> >> > the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> >> > and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> >> > electricity.
> >>
> >> "Those willing to give up liberty for safety are deserving of neither"
> >> - B. Franklin
> >>
> >> It is too bad that too many Americans no longer believe this. They are
> >> willing to give up their civil rights for safety. Bleh.
> >
> >Or unwilling to fight for their freedom from terrorism.
>
> From the bureaucracy that terrorises them, right?
>
> I agree.

I mean Al-Qaida!

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206472 ]

Di, 24 Januar 2006 02:03

Kyle Storm

Tim Bruening wrote:
> Ilya the Recusant wrote:
>
> > In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Tim Bruening
> > <tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Pubkeybreaker wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tim Bruening wrote:
> > >> > Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
> > >> > the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
> > >> > and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
> > >> > electricity.
> > >>
> > >> "Those willing to give up liberty for safety are deserving of neither"
> > >> - B. Franklin
> > >>
> > >> It is too bad that too many Americans no longer believe this. They are
> > >> willing to give up their civil rights for safety. Bleh.
> > >
> > >Or unwilling to fight for their freedom from terrorism.
> >
> > From the bureaucracy that terrorises them, right?
> >
> > I agree.
>
> I mean Al-Qaida!

So are we fighting a war on terror or a war on Al-Qaida? It's possible
that we could have won the latter if we had actually decided to fight
it. The former cannot be won. The fact that we have multiple on-going
wars with improper nouns would be comical if it weren't so pathetic.

Storm

Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #206656 ]

Mi, 25 Januar 2006 16:36

Ilya the Recusant

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, "Kyle Storm"
<ICheckNothingEver [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>Tim Bruening wrote:
>> Ilya the Recusant wrote:
>>
>> > In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Tim Bruening
>> > <tsbrueni [at] pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Pubkeybreaker wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Tim Bruening wrote:
>> > >> > Today is the 300th anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin, one of
>> > >> > the fathers of the USA! He helped write the Declaration of Independence
>> > >> > and the Constitution, and allegedly flew a kite in a storm to discover
>> > >> > electricity.
>> > >>
>> > >> "Those willing to give up liberty for safety are deserving of neither"
>> > >> - B. Franklin
>> > >>
>> > >> It is too bad that too many Americans no longer believe this. They are
>> > >> willing to give up their civil rights for safety. Bleh.
>> > >
>> > >Or unwilling to fight for their freedom from terrorism.
>> >
>> > From the bureaucracy that terrorises them, right?
>> >
>> > I agree.
>>
>> I mean Al-Qaida!
>
>So are we fighting a war on terror or a war on Al-Qaida? It's possible
>that we could have won the latter if we had actually decided to fight
>it. The former cannot be won. The fact that we have multiple on-going
>wars with improper nouns would be comical if it weren't so pathetic.

Hee hee.

Anyone who fights wars on nouns is barking mad. Adjectives are much
more terrifying.

>Storm

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
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first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
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----
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Re: 300th Birthday Of Ben Franklin OT [message #247551 ]

Di, 11 April 2006 15:22

Jasper Janssen

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:26:39 -0000, "Rik Shepherd"
<RikShepherd [at] orangemonkeySCAMPER.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>found buried under his house, and have been dated to the time he lived
>there. It's a very big jump to accuse Mr Franklin of murder. There's
>probably dozens of reasons why someone might have bodies in their cellars.

Dated how accurately? It's pretty damn rare to be able to date 18th
century corpses to within a decade, short of gravestones.

>made experiments and took everything at face value</sarcasm>. I'm not
>totally convinced that he wouldn't go and watch a dissection if he had the
>opportunity, even if it was illegal.

Still not murder.

Jasper

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