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Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204452] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 10:09
KobeWanKenobi  
If you had an almost free hand in re-making the prequels and the
trilogy, what changes would you do? Here's some of mine:

1. In a perfect world, I'd delete Jar Jar Binks entirely. But assuming
that George wouldn't want a favorite character to vanish, at least
delete all the Jar-Jar scenes after Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan rescue Amidala
in TPM. Give him a cameo appearance at the end when the celebrations
begin.

2. In ROTJ, change Endor into Kashykk as George originally intended.
Make Wickett a young Wookie thereby eliminating the Ewok specie
altogether.

3. Again in ROTJ, slightly increase the speed of the Luke vs. Jedi
swordfight to make them appear that they're almost (but not quite) of
the level of a Qui-Gonn or Obi-Wan or other Jedis as seen in Episodes 1
to 3. Plus add more swordfight scenes by hiring a Luke Skywalker
body/stunt double going up against Hayden in a Darth Vader costume.

4. And some more for ROTJ, add more space battle scenes as the rebel
fleet go up against the Empire's fleet. Similar to the space battle
over Coruscant in ROTS.

5. And finally in ROTJ, restore the original Anakin Skywalker force
ghost. Not the Hayden Christiansen version.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204455 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 11:46
Brett McConnie  
"KobeWanKenobi" <kobewankenobi [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138180146.008994.13700 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> If you had an almost free hand in re-making the prequels and the
> trilogy, what changes would you do? Here's some of mine:

I'd like to see more of Jar Jar Binks but alter his character so that he's
much more interesting and in no way annoying. Visually he was an excellent
character, unlike anything we'd seen in the OT.

I'd like to see more of the ground battle on Hoth; some Snowtroopers vs
Rebel soldiers.

I'd like to see Padme live at the end of ROTS with no knowledge that Anakin
had turned to the dark side.

I'd like to see all OT characters eliminated from the prequels except for
those who absolutely need to be there.

I'd like to see more of Anakin the hero and less of Anakin the petulant
whiner.

I'd like to see evidence of Anakin's power rather than have other characters
constantly talk of it.
--
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Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204463 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 18:01
Sadok  
Quoth Brett McConnie:
: I'd like to see more of Jar Jar Binks but alter his character so that he's
: much more interesting and in no way annoying. Visually he was an excellent
: character, unlike anything we'd seen in the OT.

An interesting point. I've always thought that if he'd just drop his voice
an octave, I could cringe a bit less.

: I'd like to see Padme live at the end of ROTS with no knowledge that
: Anakin had turned to the dark side.

You're a romantic, friend. ;-)

: I'd like to see all OT characters eliminated from the prequels except for
: those who absolutely need to be there.

Hear hear!

: I'd like to see evidence of Anakin's power rather than have other characters
: constantly talk of it.

YES!!! (This is why I initially responded to your post; I thought I was the
only one who felt this way.)
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204468 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 20:46
Anybody  
In article <1138180146.008994.13700 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"KobeWanKenobi" <kobewankenobi [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> If you had an almost free hand in re-making the prequels and the
> trilogy, what changes would you do? Here's some of mine:
>
<snip>
>
> 2. In ROTJ, change Endor into Kashykk as George originally intended.
> Make Wickett a young Wookie thereby eliminating the Ewok specie
> altogether.

What George Lucas originally intended was for the Empire to be defeated
by a primitive race, but thanks to Chewie the Wookiees were no longer
primitive enough, and therefore the Ewoks were created. You can't
simply replace Ewoks with Wookiees and say that's what "George Lucas
intended".
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204473 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 23:36
SpammersDie  
> 5. And finally in ROTJ, restore the original Anakin Skywalker force
> ghost. Not the Hayden Christiansen version.

I vote to get rid of HC completely. The guy who's supposedly the dramatic
center of the prequel trilogy was completely and utterly botched. Thank god
I could still enjoy performances by the likes of Ian McDiarmid and Ewan
McGregor (or for that matter, James Earl Jones - only when his voice showed
up did I feel I was truly seeing Anakin again.) I actually enjoy watching
Jar-Jar Binks more than HC's "portrayal" of Anakin, or at least I do once
they learned to make him a normal character instead of an excuse for
gratuitous slapstick.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204486 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 09:03
KobeWanKenobi  
Anybody wrote:
> What George Lucas originally intended was for the Empire to be defeated
> by a primitive race, but thanks to Chewie the Wookiees were no longer
> primitive enough, and therefore the Ewoks were created. You can't
> simply replace Ewoks with Wookiees and say that's what "George Lucas
> intended".

As seen on ROTS, the Wookies are a fairly primitive race by Republic
standards. Sure they can fly starships, but they might not have the
necessary intelligence to fix them. (See Chewbacca failing to fix the
Millenium Falcon, when R2 only needed to talk to the onboard computer
to determine what's wrong).

And my impression on Wookies is that although they have access to
advanced technology, they aren't builders and seem to rely on other
planets to supply them these technology. See how life is in Kashykk in
the Timothy Zahn books.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204487 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 09:55
Anybody  
In article <1138262619.305824.125330 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"KobeWanKenobi" <kobewankenobi [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Anybody wrote:
> > What George Lucas originally intended was for the Empire to be defeated
> > by a primitive race, but thanks to Chewie the Wookiees were no longer
> > primitive enough, and therefore the Ewoks were created. You can't
> > simply replace Ewoks with Wookiees and say that's what "George Lucas
> > intended".
>
> As seen on ROTS, the Wookies are a fairly primitive race by Republic
> standards. Sure they can fly starships, but they might not have the
> necessary intelligence to fix them. (See Chewbacca failing to fix the
> Millenium Falcon, when R2 only needed to talk to the onboard computer
> to determine what's wrong).
>
> And my impression on Wookies is that although they have access to
> advanced technology, they aren't builders and seem to rely on other
> planets to supply them these technology. See how life is in Kashykk in
> the Timothy Zahn books.

But Wookiees aren't primitive - they do use technology, and in fact
they do make technology like the bowcasters, their own flyers, etc.
which just look primitive because they use a lot of natural materials.

Ewoks don't use technology, they're still using spears, rocks,
trip-lines, etc. It's this primitive aspect that George Lucas wanted to
defeat the highly technological Stormtroopers - the simple beating the
complicated.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204493 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 15:30
Joe  
KobeWanKenobi wrote:

> 3. Again in ROTJ, slightly increase the speed of the Luke vs. Jedi
> swordfight to make them appear that they're almost (but not quite) of
> the level of a Qui-Gonn or Obi-Wan or other Jedis as seen in Episodes 1
> to 3. Plus add more swordfight scenes by hiring a Luke Skywalker
> body/stunt double going up against Hayden in a Darth Vader costume.

I'd do the opposite. I never liked the swordfights in the PT. Looks more
like they're dancing. The 2 fights(ESB and ROTJ)between Luke and Vader
were brutal. I actually feared for Luke becuase Vader was hacking away
at him so hard
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204504 ] Do, 26 Januar 2006 23:57
ardz  
"Joe" <m4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:625Cf.316$a97.122 [at] newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> KobeWanKenobi wrote:
>
>> 3. Again in ROTJ, slightly increase the speed of the Luke vs. Jedi
>> swordfight to make them appear that they're almost (but not quite) of
>> the level of a Qui-Gonn or Obi-Wan or other Jedis as seen in Episodes 1
>> to 3. Plus add more swordfight scenes by hiring a Luke Skywalker
>> body/stunt double going up against Hayden in a Darth Vader costume.
>
> I'd do the opposite. I never liked the swordfights in the PT. Looks more
> like they're dancing. The 2 fights(ESB and ROTJ)between Luke and Vader
> were brutal. I actually feared for Luke becuase Vader was hacking away at
> him so hard


I would like them to give the Stormtroopers speech capability in "Empire"
instead of the silent types they were.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204506 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 03:55
KobeWanKenobi  
Anybody

Primitive depends on a person's perspective. Sure Wookies do make
bowcasters, flyers, etc., but if you compare these technology in
relation to what the Republic or even the Trade Federation has, they
are primitive. As Qui-Gonn aptly said and could also be applied here:

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."

Joe

I agree that the swordfights in Ep 1 to 3 seem like a dance rather than
a battle. What I do want is that the swordfight in ROTJ to be faster
(and thus appear deadlier) but still without the dance-like qualities
of Ep1 to 3.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204507 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 04:05
JGordon452  
>snip<

1. Tone down Jar-Jar majorly, and not just the talking. He was like a
sore thumb in Episode 1, always flailing about, distracting the viewer
with his antics.

2. Please God, undo that Jedi Rocks musical number in ROTJ. Please?

3. If need be, put some more computer generated ships into the OT, to
connect it more to the PT. Obviously, none of the "money shots" should
be ruined with overkill, but some more fighters flying about, and some
more cruisers would connect it to Ep. 3 more. After the battle of
Coruscant, the OT feels a little "sparse".

4. A little bit more of the Clone Wars shown. The problem is, where
in the movies? I liked Lucas' original concept- a montage of different
battles on different planets after the opening crawl in Episode 3. But
that would eliminate the 2nd best opening sequence of the Star Wars
movies.

5. I don't mind the Ewoks. But let's face it, the Imperial forces on
Endor seemed a little, well, short-handed, for such an important
installation.

6. Order 66 was awesome. But simply being able to have the Jedi
killed by stating "Execute Order 66" is a bit of a plot hole, as how
could the Jedi NOT find out in their role as generals that there was an
order which was to kill the Jedi. Palpatine could have prefaced it
"The Jedi have attempted to overthrow the Republic. Execute Order 66"
That would make sense- a generic order which would be to eliminate any
group which tries to stage a coup.

7. Lots more hot chicks. That can't ever hurt a movie, right?

8. Better scriptwriting for episodes 1 and 2. The best story in the
world won't have the right impact if the dialogue is beyond weak.

9. Maybe tighten up Episode 2 a bit. I think it would have been
better received if it didn't feel so loosely spread out and rambling.
Keep the planet-hopping, of course, but something was missing.

10. Yeah, definitely more hot babes.

11. Show more of the non-clone military in the prequels. It would
make the creation of the empire even more disturbing by showing how
willing normal (non-clone) humans were to go with the change to a
dictatorship.

12. Some other stuff, I guess.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204508 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 04:38
Anybody  
In article <1138330517.179562.294260 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"KobeWanKenobi" <kobewankenobi [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Primitive depends on a person's perspective. Sure Wookies do make
> bowcasters, flyers, etc., but if you compare these technology in
> relation to what the Republic or even the Trade Federation has, they
> are primitive. As Qui-Gonn aptly said and could also be applied here:
>
> "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."

Wookiees aren't primitive, they just look primitive because they prefer
the natural materials and environment. The bowcaster is a just as
complex (if not more so) than a standard blaster, but is made largely
of wood and looks more primitive.

Gungans are similarly "non-primitive".

The point is that George Lucas wanted REAL primitives defeating the
Empire ... rocks, spears, etc., not Wookiees using laser fire, flying
ships, etc. So Wookiees had to be replaced by Ewoks.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204509 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 05:37
SpammersDie  
> 2. Please God, undo that Jedi Rocks musical number in ROTJ. Please?

Not even an attempt to disguise the music's earthly origins.



> 3. If need be, put some more computer generated ships into the OT, to
> connect it more to the PT. Obviously, none of the "money shots" should
> be ruined with overkill, but some more fighters flying about, and some
> more cruisers would connect it to Ep. 3 more. After the battle of
> Coruscant, the OT feels a little "sparse".

Nah - the "sparse" Battle of Yavin was still the best of the ship battles
where each scene actually told a mini-story focusing on one or two pilots as
opposed to the other episodes' tactic of throwing a disorganized mess of
ships on the screen with absolutely nothing for the viewer to attach to.

Besides, the rebel alliance aren't the separatists - they are a small
guerilla force, not a huge army funded by giant corporations and the
Chancellor himself. It doesn't need to be "connected" to ROTS more - it's a
different kind of war.




> 4. A little bit more of the Clone Wars shown. The problem is, where
> in the movies?

The question is not where, it's why. Unlike the Civil War where we all
joyfully cheered for Darth Vader and the Empire, we have no emotional
connection to the Clone Wars. Even if we assume it's a real war, neither the
decadent Republic or the cowardly Separatists are entities that inspire
cheering. And since we know this is just a fake war where both sides are
commanded by the same guy who's carefully balancing both sides so that the
war is an eternal draw until he's ready for it to end, showing the actual
war is really pointless. Lucas was right to let that one fall between the
cracks. (Ok, there is the CW series...)





> 9. Maybe tighten up Episode 2 a bit. I think it would have been
> better received if it didn't feel so loosely spread out and rambling.
> Keep the planet-hopping, of course, but something was missing.

I think it would have been better received if Lucas had hired a real actor
for Anakin instead of what we got.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204510 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 06:29
Anybody  
In article
<9shCf.551136$zb5.432820 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>
> > 4. A little bit more of the Clone Wars shown. The problem is, where
> > in the movies?
>
> The question is not where, it's why. Unlike the Civil War where we all
> joyfully cheered for Darth Vader and the Empire, we have no emotional
> connection to the Clone Wars. Even if we assume it's a real war, neither the
> decadent Republic or the cowardly Separatists are entities that inspire
> cheering. And since we know this is just a fake war where both sides are
> commanded by the same guy who's carefully balancing both sides so that the
> war is an eternal draw until he's ready for it to end, showing the actual
> war is really pointless. Lucas was right to let that one fall between the
> cracks. (Ok, there is the CW series...)

The Clone Wars / timeframe between Episode II and Episode III is
covered by the existing animated "Clone Wars" show (strangely enough)
and will be the basis for the next animated show, using 3D computer
graphics, that is currently being worked on.

It is also covered in some of the novels, comics and comuter games.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204511 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 06:38
KobeWanKenobi  
Anybody

In ROTS, Wookies in flying machines drop some sort of grenades on the
Seperatists. In ROTJ, Ewoks in gliders drop rocks on Stormtroopers.
Aren't the technology of flight too technically advanced for someone as
primitive as Ewoks?

In ROTS, Wookies hiding in trenches (not in war vehicles) wait for the
approach of the Seperatists and engage in brutal hand to hand combat.
In ROTJ, Ewoks, hiding in the forest cover ambush and engage
Stormtroopers in hand to hand combat.

The parallelism doesn't just end in the action sequences.

In ROTS, Wookies live high above in trees cities. In ROTJ, Ewoks live
in cities high above in the trees.

Wookies speak in howls, grunts and snarls. Ewoks speak in howls, grunts
and snarls.

While George Lucas may have said that he wanted primitives to help
defeat the Empire. I believe the primary reason he went from Wookie to
Ewok was to make the movie cute for his growing children.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204512 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 07:17
Anybody  
In article <1138340311.487847.117880 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"KobeWanKenobi" <kobewankenobi [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Anybody
>
> In ROTS, Wookies in flying machines drop some sort of grenades on the
> Seperatists. In ROTJ, Ewoks in gliders drop rocks on Stormtroopers.
> Aren't the technology of flight too technically advanced for someone as
> primitive as Ewoks?
>
> In ROTS, Wookies hiding in trenches (not in war vehicles) wait for the
> approach of the Seperatists and engage in brutal hand to hand combat.
> In ROTJ, Ewoks, hiding in the forest cover ambush and engage
> Stormtroopers in hand to hand combat.
>
> The parallelism doesn't just end in the action sequences.
>
> In ROTS, Wookies live high above in trees cities. In ROTJ, Ewoks live
> in cities high above in the trees.
>
> Wookies speak in howls, grunts and snarls. Ewoks speak in howls, grunts
> and snarls.
>
> While George Lucas may have said that he wanted primitives to help
> defeat the Empire. I believe the primary reason he went from Wookie to
> Ewok was to make the movie cute for his growing children.

If you says so ... I'm not wasting any more time on this, I've already
said it about three times. :-\
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204513 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 07:44
KobeWanKenobi  
Regarding Order 66. The Jedis should have shown more fight against the
Clone Troopers. Trained since youth to use the force as a tool and to
sense an attack before it happens, their inability to at least take out
some of the clones when they turned on them seems too contrived.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204517 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 18:26
Michael Wheeler  
Anybody wrote:
> In article
> <9shCf.551136$zb5.432820 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>>> 4. A little bit more of the Clone Wars shown. The problem is, where
>>> in the movies?
>> The question is not where, it's why. Unlike the Civil War where we all
>> joyfully cheered for Darth Vader and the Empire, we have no emotional
>> connection to the Clone Wars. Even if we assume it's a real war, neither the
>> decadent Republic or the cowardly Separatists are entities that inspire
>> cheering. And since we know this is just a fake war where both sides are
>> commanded by the same guy who's carefully balancing both sides so that the
>> war is an eternal draw until he's ready for it to end, showing the actual
>> war is really pointless. Lucas was right to let that one fall between the
>> cracks. (Ok, there is the CW series...)
>
> The Clone Wars / timeframe between Episode II and Episode III is
> covered by the existing animated "Clone Wars" show (strangely enough)
> and will be the basis for the next animated show, using 3D computer
> graphics, that is currently being worked on.
>
> It is also covered in some of the novels, comics and comuter games.

After watching ROTS, I wanted some changes made to ROTJ to mirror one of
my favorite scenes. When Vader asks Luke to let him look on him with
his own eyes, I think there should now be a shot from the inside of
Vader's helmet through the red lenses as it is pulled away. This way it
can reference the scene from ROTS, which I though was pretty powerful stuff.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204519 ] Fr, 27 Januar 2006 23:00
SpammersDie  
"Michael Wheeler" <michaeljamesw [at] mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:dJsCf.1074$Nv2.551 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Anybody wrote:
>> In article
>> <9shCf.551136$zb5.432820 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>>>> 4. A little bit more of the Clone Wars shown. The problem is, where
>>>> in the movies?
>>> The question is not where, it's why. Unlike the Civil War where we all
>>> joyfully cheered for Darth Vader and the Empire, we have no emotional
>>> connection to the Clone Wars. Even if we assume it's a real war, neither
>>> the decadent Republic or the cowardly Separatists are entities that
>>> inspire cheering. And since we know this is just a fake war where both
>>> sides are commanded by the same guy who's carefully balancing both sides
>>> so that the war is an eternal draw until he's ready for it to end,
>>> showing the actual war is really pointless. Lucas was right to let that
>>> one fall between the cracks. (Ok, there is the CW series...)
>>
>> The Clone Wars / timeframe between Episode II and Episode III is
>> covered by the existing animated "Clone Wars" show (strangely enough)
>> and will be the basis for the next animated show, using 3D computer
>> graphics, that is currently being worked on.
>>
>> It is also covered in some of the novels, comics and comuter games.
>
> After watching ROTS, I wanted some changes made to ROTJ to mirror one of
> my favorite scenes. When Vader asks Luke to let him look on him with his
> own eyes, I think there should now be a shot from the inside of Vader's
> helmet through the red lenses as it is pulled away. This way it can
> reference the scene from ROTS, which I though was pretty powerful stuff.

On the note of Vader's true face... anybody think it looked weird for Anakin
(ROTS) to be all crispy fried and melted everywhere *except* the upper half
of his face? It was a bit too obvious they were trying to match the
similarly non-deformed nose and eyes of the ROTJ Vader. I think they should
have deformed his face big time as well and fixed up ROTJ to match up.

Also I would now nuke that one shot of Vader's unmasking in ESB. Let the
final scene in ROTJ be the first and only time we see visible proof of
Anakin being released from the solitary confinement of that mask.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204521 ] Sa, 28 Januar 2006 01:08
Anybody  
In article
<1KwCf.555529$zb5.106886 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:

> On the note of Vader's true face... anybody think it looked weird for Anakin
> (ROTS) to be all crispy fried and melted everywhere *except* the upper half
> of his face? It was a bit too obvious they were trying to match the
> similarly non-deformed nose and eyes of the ROTJ Vader. I think they should
> have deformed his face big time as well and fixed up ROTJ to match up.

Unless Anakin actually shoved his face into the lava, it wouldn't get
as damaged as the rest of him.



> Also I would now nuke that one shot of Vader's unmasking in ESB. Let the
> final scene in ROTJ be the first and only time we see visible proof of
> Anakin being released from the solitary confinement of that mask.

Vader is in "solitary confinement" from the time the mask is put on in
Episode III until it is removed in Episode VI ... the only other times
the mask is removed is when he is locked in his meditation chamber,
where he is still by himself.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204522 ] Sa, 28 Januar 2006 01:34
SpammersDie  
"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:280120061308230706%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article
> <1KwCf.555529$zb5.106886 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote:
>
>> On the note of Vader's true face... anybody think it looked weird for
>> Anakin
>> (ROTS) to be all crispy fried and melted everywhere *except* the upper
>> half
>> of his face? It was a bit too obvious they were trying to match the
>> similarly non-deformed nose and eyes of the ROTJ Vader. I think they
>> should
>> have deformed his face big time as well and fixed up ROTJ to match up.
>
> Unless Anakin actually shoved his face into the lava, it wouldn't get
> as damaged as the rest of him.

You know, I just knew I wouldn't have to wait long before you chimed in with
this exact response.

But you're missing the point. I realize Lucas set up the burning scene so it
was logical for his upper face to escape the worst damage. What I'm saying
is that I would have preferred that Lucas set up the burning scene so little
Annie would be completely burned beyond recognition.


>> Also I would now nuke that one shot of Vader's unmasking in ESB. Let the
>> final scene in ROTJ be the first and only time we see visible proof of
>> Anakin being released from the solitary confinement of that mask.
>
> Vader is in "solitary confinement" from the time the mask is put on in
> Episode III until it is removed in Episode VI ... the only other times
> the mask is removed is when he is locked in his meditation chamber,
> where he is still by himself.

There's some truth to that but I still think the image of him being trapped
behind that mask, not just a chamber, for 23+ years is a lot more powerful.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204524 ] Sa, 28 Januar 2006 04:03
JGordon452  
> 2. Please God, undo that Jedi Rocks musical number in ROTJ. Please?


>>Not even an attempt to disguise the music's earthly origins.<<

Yeah, faux blues sounds verrrryyy out of place in these movies.
Williams' weird mix of jazz and carribean music in the cantina was much
more fitting than the obnoxious muppet show of Jedi Rocks.

> 3. If need be, put some more computer generated ships into the OT, to
> connect it more to the PT. Obviously, none of the "money shots" should
> be ruined with overkill, but some more fighters flying about, and some
> more cruisers would connect it to Ep. 3 more. After the battle of
> Coruscant, the OT feels a little "sparse".


>>Nah - the "sparse" Battle of Yavin was still the best of the ship battles
where each scene actually told a mini-story focusing on one or two
pilots as
opposed to the other episodes' tactic of throwing a disorganized mess
of
ships on the screen with absolutely nothing for the viewer to attach
to.

Besides, the rebel alliance aren't the separatists - they are a small
guerilla force, not a huge army funded by giant corporations and the
Chancellor himself. It doesn't need to be "connected" to ROTS more -
it's a
different kind of war.<<

I was thinking more of in ROTJ, as that's the climactic battle.
Besides, I'm a sucker for eye candy as long as it stays consistent with
the feel of the movies as a whole, and doesn't look _too_ fake. Still,
I was thinking more about the Empire having more ships added, as
opposed to the Rebels. It would make the odds seem more daunting.


> 4. A little bit more of the Clone Wars shown. The problem is, where
> in the movies?


>>The question is not where, it's why. Unlike the Civil War where we all
joyfully cheered for Darth Vader and the Empire, we have no emotional
connection to the Clone Wars. Even if we assume it's a real war,
neither the
decadent Republic or the cowardly Separatists are entities that inspire

cheering. And since we know this is just a fake war where both sides
are
commanded by the same guy who's carefully balancing both sides so that
the
war is an eternal draw until he's ready for it to end, showing the
actual
war is really pointless. Lucas was right to let that one fall between
the
cracks. (Ok, there is the CW series...)<<

I disagree, in that it would be nice to see the reason _why_ the
Republic's citizens are so scared that they are willing to just keep
throwing Palpatine more and more power. In addition, it would provide
a more visible reason why and how the grace of the Old Republic's
styles and designs were being swept aside for the bulky, brutish
designs of the OT. Also, I'm not suggesting that the war be shown in
its middling stages, but rather to show the climactic stages before the
end. One could say that Kashyyk, Utaupau & the Order 66 montage does
that, but that seems more like cleanup than anything. Hmmm.


> 9. Maybe tighten up Episode 2 a bit. I think it would have been
> better received if it didn't feel so loosely spread out and rambling.
> Keep the planet-hopping, of course, but something was missing.


>>I think it would have been better received if Lucas had hired a real actor
for Anakin instead of what we got.<<

I'll give HC props for actually trying, as opposed to Natalie Portman's
"Paycheck please!" performance. That doesn't change his bizarre
approach to the role, though. And of course, Samuel Jackson was so
wooden, he may as well have been a cabinet.
Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204525 ] Sa, 28 Januar 2006 05:34
John Duncan Yoyo  
On 27 Jan 2006 19:03:44 -0800, "Nick Soapdish, Jr."
<JGordon452 [at] aol.com> wrote:


>>>I think it would have been better received if Lucas had hired a real actor
>for Anakin instead of what we got.<<
>
>I'll give HC props for actually trying, as opposed to Natalie Portman's
>"Paycheck please!" performance. That doesn't change his bizarre
>approach to the role, though. And of course, Samuel Jackson was so
>wooden, he may as well have been a cabinet.

I think I would blame most of that on Direction. We got exactly what
Lucas wanted from them.
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Re: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #204557 ] Mo, 30 Januar 2006 02:06
charlie12345  
Most of the acting is wooden and if I had my way I would have someone
script attack of the clones and ROTS. I would keep all the actors, as
they were quite iconic. Hayden as anakin was perfect, but we all
dislike the dialogue. The fight scenes could all go on for much longer
and I would have zahn's thrawn trilogy made into films. In short more
"money shots" more dialogue.
uRe: Changing the Star Wars Universe [message #220910 ] So, 19 Februar 2006 06:36
Mike  
> I'd like to see more of Anakin the hero and less of Anakin the petulant
> whiner.


Out of all the correct points you made, this is the one that I would tend to
agree most with. Anakin was made out to be more of a whiner and a big baby
than a bad-ass empire ruler....and shows his weak side, if you will. Quite
honestly, his character *should* have been more ruthless and less bitchy. I
see the evolution of Anakin throughout the films, but I could have done
without the whining. "Obi-Wan is trying to hold me back" etc. etc. Otherwise
I'm very happy with the films, even the jar-jar. :) As far as I'm
concerned, Obi-Wan was the true hero in Star Wars... Luke was a whiner like
his Father. Too bad... Even in the "expanded universe" Luke is trying to be
somebody greater that what he is. For someone that brings balance to the
force, he is a whiner and a baby... so sad. I guess some things never leave
the family line.
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