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A NEW HOPE [message #204291] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 11:52
Fiona Bridges  
In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely his
memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built by Anakin
and that R2 was owned by Padme??

And yes I do know that this was the first movie before Lucas dreamt up
episodes 1, 2, and 3. But this raises another question for me. Why did he
start at Episode 4??

Phenix
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204292 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 14:38
In Through The Out Do[2]  
"Phenix" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:T5pzf.220013$V7.111479 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely his
> memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built by
> Anakin and that R2 was owned by Padme??
>
> And yes I do know that this was the first movie before Lucas dreamt up
> episodes 1, 2, and 3. But this raises another question for me. Why did
> he start at Episode 4??
>
> Phenix
>

Star Wars was only meant to be ONE movie. Lucas didn't expect it to be
popular.

ITTOD
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204295 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 14:52
SpammersDie  
"Phenix" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:T5pzf.220013$V7.111479 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids.

He's not going to show any sign of recognition that Luke can pick up on.

But the next time you watch ANH, take a look at Obi-Wan's expression when
they find 3PO in the sand. There's a definite look of "Holy shit. Bail
hasn't ejected you from a torpedo tube yet?" on his face.
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204297 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 16:30
Franklin Cross  
"Phenix" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:T5pzf.220013$V7.111479 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely his
> memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built by
> Anakin and that R2 was owned by Padme??
>
> And yes I do know that this was the first movie before Lucas dreamt up
> episodes 1, 2, and 3. But this raises another question for me. Why did
> he start at Episode 4??
>
> Phenix

Lucas wanted to include as many characters from the original movies as he
could get away with, no matter how ridiculous it was to the continuity of
the movie. I mean, really, we could have done without the annoying R2 scenes
in episodes I - III. It wouldn't have been detrimental to the movie if they
didn't have those scenes, or even just used a different droid. I think if
most people directed it, they would be more inclined to use a different
droid than to ruin the continuity of the movie. You think it's weird that
Obi Wan didn't recognize 3P0? What about in Empire when Vader, the guy who
built him, doesn't recognize him?

How about the fact that chewy is some sort of distinguished general in
wookie world, and then in episode IV he is a criminal scumbag hanging out
with the likes of han solo? It seems that lucas thought the fans wouldn't
like it unless he crow barred in a bunch of characters from the original
trilogy.
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204298 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 18:44
mikeharrison11  
Lucas said his orignal story line was too long to fit into a two hour movie
and he had no idea if it would flop or not, so he escentially picked what he
thought was the most interesting part and made ANH.

"Phenix" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:T5pzf.220013$V7.111479 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely his
> memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built by
> Anakin and that R2 was owned by Padme??
>
> And yes I do know that this was the first movie before Lucas dreamt up
> episodes 1, 2, and 3. But this raises another question for me. Why did
> he start at Episode 4??
>
> Phenix
>
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204299 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 19:03
Franklin Cross  
"Mike H." <mikeharrison11 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:G7vzf.16362$sq.8099 [at] trnddc01...
> Lucas said his orignal story line was too long to fit into a two hour
> movie and he had no idea if it would flop or not, so he escentially picked
> what he thought was the most interesting part and made ANH.
>
> "Phenix" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:T5pzf.220013$V7.111479 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely his
>> memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built by
>> Anakin and that R2 was owned by Padme??
>>
>> And yes I do know that this was the first movie before Lucas dreamt up
>> episodes 1, 2, and 3. But this raises another question for me. Why did
>> he start at Episode 4??
>>
>> Phenix
>>

Can you imagine if he picked episode 1? It would have been the only episode,
that's for sure. There's no way he had the first three written at the same
time as the second three.
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204303 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 21:27
Anybody  
In article <T5pzf.220013$V7.111479 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Phenix" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:

> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely his
> memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built by Anakin
> and that R2 was owned by Padme??

There's two problems here:

Droids are two-hundred-a-penny in the Star Wars universe and most
people treat them as second-class citizens at best, or more usual
simply as tools to get a job done. There are thousands of R2 and
protocol droids through the galaxy. If you watch the Prequel Trilogy he
rarely even acknowledges the droids are there. You aren't going to
remember a hammer you used 20 years ago either.

Having sdaid that, Obi-Wan NEVER said he didn't remember the droids. He
said he "didn't remember OWNING any droids", which is perfectly true.
Obi-Wan has a habit of saying things that are true, "from a certain
point of view" to fit in with his needs at the time ... he works on a
'need to know' basis and Luke didn't need to know that Obi-Wan knew the
droids (if he did know or just guessed they might be the same ones).




> And yes I do know that this was the first movie before Lucas dreamt up
> episodes 1, 2, and 3. But this raises another question for me. Why did he
> start at Episode 4??

George Lucas originally had a ROUGH storyline that was far too big for
just one movie. Since they had no idea whether or not it would be
successful they, choose to do one part of that story which could
stand-alone if it had to (the original US release did not have "Episode
IV" on it anywhere). Of course that movie was hugely successful, so
George Lucas went on to do the two follow-ups. He then went back to do
the start of the Anakin Skywalker story with the Prequel Trilogy.

The actual fleshed out story and script for each movie has been written
just before it is filmed (and is changed during filming as well), and
is vastly different from the original idea.
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204306 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 00:31
Jedi Jonny  
> George Lucas originally had a ROUGH storyline that was far too big for
> just one movie. Since they had no idea whether or not it would be
> successful they, choose to do one part of that story which could
> stand-alone if it had to (the original US release did not have "Episode
> IV" on it anywhere). Of course that movie was hugely successful, so
> George Lucas went on to do the two follow-ups. He then went back to do
> the start of the Anakin Skywalker story with the Prequel Trilogy.
>
> The actual fleshed out story and script for each movie has been written
> just before it is filmed (and is changed during filming as well), and
> is vastly different from the original idea.

I seem to remember Mr Lucas saying somewhere that he did have an idea of a
much larger storyline, and at the time, the part he chose to turn into a
film, A New Hope, was the one that was best suited to the current
technology at the time.
At the very end of the original documentary "From Star Wars to Jedi", we see
George getting on a plane at the end of filming ROTJ, and he said that one
day he will return to the story. I guess that this was a small reference to
his idea of completing the larger storyline lurking in his head, in whatever
form it was at the time.
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204307 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 00:41
Solon  
_Phenix_ spoke thusly on 18/01/2006 5:52 AM:
> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely his
> memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built by Anakin
> and that R2 was owned by Padme??

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Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204308 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 00:44
Anybody  
In article <YcAzf.28557$lL4.4841 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jedi
Jonny" <spamremovehumej69 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> > George Lucas originally had a ROUGH storyline that was far too big for
> > just one movie. Since they had no idea whether or not it would be
> > successful they, choose to do one part of that story which could
> > stand-alone if it had to (the original US release did not have "Episode
> > IV" on it anywhere). Of course that movie was hugely successful, so
> > George Lucas went on to do the two follow-ups. He then went back to do
> > the start of the Anakin Skywalker story with the Prequel Trilogy.
> >
> > The actual fleshed out story and script for each movie has been written
> > just before it is filmed (and is changed during filming as well), and
> > is vastly different from the original idea.
>
> I seem to remember Mr Lucas saying somewhere that he did have an idea of a
> much larger storyline, and at the time, the part he chose to turn into a
> film, A New Hope, was the one that was best suited to the current
> technology at the time.
> At the very end of the original documentary "From Star Wars to Jedi", we see
> George getting on a plane at the end of filming ROTJ, and he said that one
> day he will return to the story. I guess that this was a small reference to
> his idea of completing the larger storyline lurking in his head, in whatever
> form it was at the time.

That larger storyline (with numerous changes during the writing
process) is what now makes the six movies of his Saga.

The original ideas were VAGUELY thought to be possibly made into nine
(the old "trilogy of trilogies" idea) or even 12 movies ... BUT the
storline has changed tremendoulsy and now is finished with the six
movies we have.

No doubt George Lucas has numerous other ideas and notes that were part
of the original or were background material. Some of these may be
altered and show up in future spin-offs like the TV shows and computers
games.
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204387 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 02:31
RSPW Midcarder 4 Lyfe  
Franklin Cross , your post to alt.fan.starwars is almost better than a
suggestion to SIGN CARL ENGLISH!

>
> "Phenix" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:T5pzf.220013$V7.111479 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely
>> his memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built
>> by Anakin and that R2 was owned by Padme??
>>
>> And yes I do know that this was the first movie before Lucas dreamt
>> up episodes 1, 2, and 3. But this raises another question for me.
>> Why did he start at Episode 4??
>>
>> Phenix
>
> Lucas wanted to include as many characters from the original movies as
> he could get away with, no matter how ridiculous it was to the
> continuity of the movie. I mean, really, we could have done without
> the annoying R2 scenes in episodes I - III. It wouldn't have been
> detrimental to the movie if they didn't have those scenes, or even
> just used a different droid. I think if most people directed it, they
> would be more inclined to use a different droid than to ruin the
> continuity of the movie. You think it's weird that Obi Wan didn't
> recognize 3P0? What about in Empire when Vader, the guy who built him,
> doesn't recognize him?
>
How can you tell? Vader's faceial expression could well have been one of
surprise. Besides:
1) The Empire ranks driods between women and aliens.
2) Why would Vader care that a droid he used to own was there?

> How about the fact that chewy is some sort of distinguished general in
> wookie world, and then in episode IV he is a criminal scumbag hanging
> out with the likes of han solo? It seems that lucas thought the fans
> wouldn't like it unless he crow barred in a bunch of characters from
> the original trilogy.
>
That's an easy one. Kashyykk was enslaved by the Empire. Chewie was
taken to work on some Imperial project (I forget which) and a young Han
Solo, at that time a graduate of the Imperial Academy on Carida, saw how
badly the Wookiees were being treated and liberated Chewie.
Re: A NEW HOPE [message #204388 ] So, 22 Januar 2006 03:32
Anybody  
In article <Xns9752E0353E5C7xxlpointguardvision [at] 209.210.176.62>, "Chris
Lansdell <RSPW Midcarder 4 Lyfe>"
<chris.lansdell [at] nl.SIGNCARLENGLISH.rogers.com> wrote:

> Franklin Cross , your post to alt.fan.starwars is almost better than a
> suggestion to SIGN CARL ENGLISH!
>
> >
> > "Phenix" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:T5pzf.220013$V7.111479 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> In ANH Obi-Wan never show's any recognition of the 2 droids. Surely
> >> his memory isn't that bad that he doesn't remember that 3PO was built
> >> by Anakin and that R2 was owned by Padme??
> >>
> >> And yes I do know that this was the first movie before Lucas dreamt
> >> up episodes 1, 2, and 3. But this raises another question for me.
> >> Why did he start at Episode 4??
> >>
> >> Phenix
> >
> > Lucas wanted to include as many characters from the original movies as
> > he could get away with, no matter how ridiculous it was to the
> > continuity of the movie. I mean, really, we could have done without
> > the annoying R2 scenes in episodes I - III. It wouldn't have been
> > detrimental to the movie if they didn't have those scenes, or even
> > just used a different droid. I think if most people directed it, they
> > would be more inclined to use a different droid than to ruin the
> > continuity of the movie. You think it's weird that Obi Wan didn't
> > recognize 3P0? What about in Empire when Vader, the guy who built him,
> > doesn't recognize him?
>
> How can you tell? Vader's faceial expression could well have been one of
> surprise. Besides:
> 1) The Empire ranks driods between women and aliens.
> 2) Why would Vader care that a droid he used to own was there?

There is a EU story where the bits of the blasted C-3PO are brought to
Vader who does recognise the droid and orders the parts to be
destroyed. He later changes his mind and has the parts delivered to
Chewie in the cells.



> > How about the fact that chewy is some sort of distinguished general in
> > wookie world, and then in episode IV he is a criminal scumbag hanging
> > out with the likes of han solo? It seems that lucas thought the fans
> > wouldn't like it unless he crow barred in a bunch of characters from
> > the original trilogy.
>
> That's an easy one. Kashyykk was enslaved by the Empire. Chewie was
> taken to work on some Imperial project (I forget which) and a young Han
> Solo, at that time a graduate of the Imperial Academy on Carida, saw how
> badly the Wookiees were being treated and liberated Chewie.

And under Wookiee tradition that requires Chewie to owe Han a life-debt
and stay with him.

Of course, neither Chewie nor Han are "scumbags", which is the whole
reason why Han no longer shoots Greedo first.

As for crowbarring in characters, there were many fools who wanted Han
Solo and others to appear, so I think we bloody lucky it was limited to
Chewie.
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