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Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204244]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 04:46

Fiona Bridges

I'm just been watching Episodes I, II, III and IV and found that I'm a
little disappointed with the way that the tie ins have been done.

1. Civilisation's in IV, V and VI

The style of life and living appears to be behind how they live in the first
3 episodes. It's just my opinion and I'll probably get yelled at for saying
it but I think George Lucas got a little carried away with the look of the
cities and life.

2. Vader in Return of the Jedi

Anakin is meant to be 45 at the time of his death. The actor playing him is
too old

3. Padme

Their is no mention of her what so ever throughout Episodes IV, V and VI. I
realise that they were made first but when her character was so dominate in
I, II and III it seems that her's is a character thread left hanging. In
episode III Padme tells Anakin of her sister's children. Therefore Luke and
Leia have cousin's are they part of the rebel alliance? Do they every go
looking for them? It looks like there is room for more movie's to be made to
explain this story line.

4. R2D2

At the end of ROTS, Bail Organa instructs that the "Protocal Droids" (C3PO)
memory be erased. R2D2 memory does not get erased so he would have memory of
what happened during the time he served Anakin and Obi-Wan right?? Plus he
would have memory of Padme also. R2D2 starts out being a droid on the Naboo
cruiser why does he then end up with Anakin plus we do not see Obi-Wan take
R2 with him after he leaves Anakin on Mustafar to die. R2D2 character is
used to much in I, II and III in my opinion. There is so much that this
little droid would know due to his plot line's in I, II and III and doesn't
fit with how the original 3 movie's play out.

Don't get me wrong I enjoyed all the movie's and have loved Star Wars since
I was a child but these are just a few pieces I don't understand. Maybe
some1 can explain them for me.

1 more then I'd like explained who on earth was Master Sifo-Dyas is it
explained anywhere why he commissioned the clone army???

Cheers,
Fiona

Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204246 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 05:17

SpammersDie

>
> 4. R2D2
>
> At the end of ROTS, Bail Organa instructs that the "Protocal Droids"
> (C3PO) memory be erased. R2D2 memory does not get erased so he would have
> memory of what happened during the time he served Anakin and Obi-Wan
> right??

We knew it all along.

> Plus he would have memory of Padme also. R2D2 starts out being a droid on
> the Naboo cruiser why does he then end up with Anakin

Padme's wedding gift to Anakin (in exchange for 3PO.)

> plus we do not see Obi-Wan take R2 with him after he leaves Anakin on
> Mustafar to die.

R2 is clearly seen going up the ramp just before Obi-Wan closes it up.
Obi-Wan didn't take him but R2 invited himself aboard for the ride.

> R2D2 character is used to much in I, II and III in my opinion. There is
> so much that this little droid would know due to his plot line's in I, II
> and III and doesn't fit with how the original 3 movie's play out.

Like what? You never really know what R2 is thinking at any given time and
most of his reactions take place in front of people like Luke who hadn't yet
watched their Episode III DVD's yet so it can be easily seen that he's
purposefully playing dumb to avoid spoiling for the plot for Luke.

Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204249 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 06:18

RobMac

"Fiona Bridges" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:CMZyf.218917$V7.105447 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I'm just been watching Episodes I, II, III and IV and found that I'm a
> little disappointed with the way that the tie ins have been done.
>
> 1. Civilisation's in IV, V and VI
>
> The style of life and living appears to be behind how they live in the
> first 3 episodes. It's just my opinion and I'll probably get yelled at
> for saying it but I think George Lucas got a little carried away with the
> look of the cities and life.
>

That's because A) Naboo & Coruscant are far beyond Tattooine in luxury &
style, Naboo being a beautiful Water & flora planet with royalty, and
Coruscant being the Washington, DC of the SW universe, the center of
politics and commerce, so a bustling metropolis, while Tattooine is a
sparsely populated desert planet with two suns, Alderaan was destroyed so we
never got to see how beautiful and peaceful it was (except for a tiny tiny
taste in Ep.3), Yavin appeared to be long deserted and used strictly as a
Rebel hideout, Hoth is a deserted ice world, Cloud City is a minig facility
in the atmosphere of a gas planet (Bespin), and Endor is a forest moon and
inhaboted by Ewoks. There's not been any example of luxury existing on any
of those worlds post-Republic, not just because the Emperor controls
everything and it's hard to get good things (the Rebels scrounge for used
transport ships and snub-fighters) but because all of those worlds are just
"dead" compared to Naboo & Coruscant, the only real worlds in Eps.1-3 that
appear to be luxurious and rich. It's just the worlds involved in the story
not the "getting carried away" with anything (though I admit the SPFX got
very carried away in Eps.1-3).

> 2. Vader in Return of the Jedi
>
> Anakin is meant to be 45 at the time of his death. The actor playing him
> is too old
>

I wonder how you would look having lost all four limbs, been kept alive for
about 25-30 years in an iron lung (the Vader suit) and having gotten zapped
pretty hard with Force Lightning while tossing the most powerful Sith Lord
down an endless space station shaft? Not too good I'd imagine.
In the words of Indiana Jones "It's not the years, it's the mileage"
(Raiders of the Lost Ark)

> 3. Padme
>
> Their is no mention of her what so ever throughout Episodes IV, V and VI.
> I realise that they were made first but when her character was so dominate
> in I, II and III it seems that her's is a character thread left hanging.
> In episode III Padme tells Anakin of her sister's children. Therefore
> Luke and Leia have cousin's are they part of the rebel alliance? Do they
> every go looking for them? It looks like there is room for more movie's to
> be made to explain this story line.
>

Padme wasn't important in Eps.4-6, no really, she wasn't. Luke doesn't know
about Padme that we know of (though he *must* IMO, because when he asks Leia
in ROTJ if she remembers her mother, her "real mother" I got the feeling
that if Owen told Luke about Anakin ("He was a navigator on a spice
frieghter" "That's what your uncle told you") then it's quite plausible he
told Luke of Padme too, since Luke knew Owen & Beru were not his real
parents. Owen may not have known Padme well enough to know about Padme's
family on Naboo (though they were together a long time - overnight -
awaiting Anakin's return from his search for his mother). I agree it's a
good story to fir into the Expanded Universe somewhere....

> 4. R2D2
>
> At the end of ROTS, Bail Organa instructs that the "Protocal Droids"
> (C3PO) memory be erased. R2D2 memory does not get erased so he would have
> memory of what happened during the time he served Anakin and Obi-Wan
> right?? Plus he would have memory of Padme also. R2D2 starts out being a
> droid on the Naboo cruiser why does he then end up with Anakin plus we do
> not see Obi-Wan take R2 with him after he leaves Anakin on Mustafar to
> die. R2D2 character is used to much in I, II and III in my opinion.
> There is so much that this little droid would know due to his plot line's
> in I, II and III and doesn't fit with how the original 3 movie's play out.
>

Well, while R2's memory was not erased at the end of Ep.3 we haven't seen
him for more than 19 years once Ep.4 begins, so who's to say R2 didn't slip
up somewhere along the way and either tell 3PO or someone else not
authorized about the events of Anakin Skywalker's fall to Lord Vader and get
punished with a memory wipe?!

Oh, and we *do* see Obi-Wan take R2 away from Mustafar, we see R2 rolling up
the ramp as Obi-Wan returns and we see R2 roll down the ramp on Polis Massa
(sp?) and in the delivery observation area during Luke & Leia's births.

>
> Don't get me wrong I enjoyed all the movie's and have loved Star Wars
> since I was a child but these are just a few pieces I don't understand.
> Maybe some1 can explain them for me.
>
> 1 more then I'd like explained who on earth was Master Sifo-Dyas is it
> explained anywhere why he commissioned the clone army???
>
> Cheers,
> Fiona

The answer for Sifo-Dyas is explained by Yoda in "Labyrinth Of Evil" by
James Luceno, a great prequel novel to Episode III....!

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Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204250 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 06:32

Anybody

In article <CMZyf.218917$V7.105447 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Fiona
Bridges" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:

> I'm just been watching Episodes I, II, III and IV and found that I'm a
> little disappointed with the way that the tie ins have been done.
>
> 1. Civilisation's in IV, V and VI
> The style of life and living appears to be behind how they live in the first
> 3 episodes. It's just my opinion and I'll probably get yelled at for saying
> it but I think George Lucas got a little carried away with the look of the
> cities and life.

The galaxy has been under the tight control of the Empire for nearly 20
years. There has been little technological improvements allowed (except
for the Empire's own use), so most people are having to make do with
old droids, vehicles, etc.

Added to this is the fact that we don't ever see similar places. The
Prequel Trilogy takes place in places like the Naboo Royal Palace, the
Jedi Temple and the Republic Senate - all places of fairly rich
decoration and luxury.

The original Trilogy takes place mainly on the backwater planet of
Tatooine (which we do also see in Episode I and II), a ruined temple on
Yavin, a make-shift ice-tunnel base on Hoth, the Death Star military
battle station, a primitve Ewok village, an uninhabited swamp planet
etc. ... not exactly places of rich decoration and luxury.

> 2. Vader in Return of the Jedi
> Anakin is meant to be 45 at the time of his death. The actor playing him is
> too old

Anakin suffered horrific injuries in Episode III, has been stuck in
side a life-support suit of armour and has using the Dark Side powers
for 20 years ... "look so good, you would not".

> 3. Padme
> Their is no mention of her what so ever throughout Episodes IV, V and VI. I
> realise that they were made first but when her character was so dominate in
> I, II and III it seems that her's is a character thread left hanging. In
> episode III Padme tells Anakin of her sister's children. Therefore Luke and
> Leia have cousin's are they part of the rebel alliance? Do they every go
> looking for them? It looks like there is room for more movie's to be made to
> explain this story line.

Luke and Leia do not even know about Padmé, or any of their family.
Luke has been told by Owen that his father was a simple pilot and we
don't know what Leia was told (obviosuly she was told that her real
mother died when she was young, since that's what she tells Luke in
Return of the Jedi), but presumably the less she knows, the less
trouble she could get in when as a child she might meet with Imperial
big-wigs like Vader and the Emperor (both of whom she does meet in the
Expanded Universe novel and comic stories).

Padmé isn't mentioned in the Original Trilogy simply because she isn't
needed for the storyline. The same reason that Jar Jar isn't mentioned
and the same way the Ewoks aren't mentioned in the Prequel Trilogy.

> 4. R2D2
> At the end of ROTS, Bail Organa instructs that the "Protocal Droids" (C3PO)
> memory be erased. R2D2 memory does not get erased so he would have memory of
> what happened during the time he served Anakin and Obi-Wan right?? Plus he
> would have memory of Padme also. R2D2 starts out being a droid on the Naboo
> cruiser why does he then end up with Anakin plus we do not see Obi-Wan take
> R2 with him after he leaves Anakin on Mustafar to die. R2D2 character is
> used to much in I, II and III in my opinion. There is so much that this
> little droid would know due to his plot line's in I, II and III and doesn't
> fit with how the original 3 movie's play out.

In Episode I R2-D2 belonged to the Naboo Royal house. He was given to
Padmé when her term as Queen ended and she gave him to Anakin to
accompany him on his Jedi travels, and similarly Anakin gave Padmé
C-3PO.

While Obi-Wan and Anakin was battling it out, the two droids loaded the
injured Padmé onto her ship. After the battle Obi-Wan returned to the
ship and took all of them to the eventual meeting with Bail Organa and
Yoda at the medical centre.

R2 didn't need his memory wiped because he is a more trust-worthy droid
(unlike the blabber mouth C-3PO) and few people understand his beeps
and tweets anyway. R2 does remember everything that happened, but it's
anyone's guess why you think he doesn't fit with the original movies.

> 1 more then I'd like explained who on earth was Master Sifo-Dyas is it
> explained anywhere why he commissioned the clone army???

The Star Wars movies are the story of Anakin Skywalker: his rise, his
fall and his redemption. Within the scheme of that storyline, the who
and why of ordering the Clone Army is pretty irrelevant. The important
bit is the fact that the Clone War happened and was one part of the
many things that helped push Anakin over the edge to the Dark Side.

In fact in the Expanded Universe novels (where all such side-stories
belong) it IS explained why Sifo_dyas ordered the Clone Army. He
foresaw trouble for the Republic and that they would need an army ...
that was at least partly thanks to manipulation by Palpatine, which is
also why Sifo-Dyas never talked to the Jedi Council about his plan.
Sifo-Dyas ordered the Clone Army and was then killed by Count Dooku to
cover the tracks.

Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204252 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 06:39

Fiona Bridges

"RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137475181_663 [at] sp1iad.superfeed.net...
>
> "Fiona Bridges" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:CMZyf.218917$V7.105447 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> I'm just been watching Episodes I, II, III and IV and found that I'm a
>> little disappointed with the way that the tie ins have been done.
>>
>> 1. Civilisation's in IV, V and VI
>>
>> The style of life and living appears to be behind how they live in the
>> first 3 episodes. It's just my opinion and I'll probably get yelled at
>> for saying it but I think George Lucas got a little carried away with the
>> look of the cities and life.
>>
>
> That's because A) Naboo & Coruscant are far beyond Tattooine in luxury &
> style, Naboo being a beautiful Water & flora planet with royalty, and
> Coruscant being the Washington, DC of the SW universe, the center of
> politics and commerce, so a bustling metropolis, while Tattooine is a
> sparsely populated desert planet with two suns, Alderaan was destroyed so
> we never got to see how beautiful and peaceful it was (except for a tiny
> tiny taste in Ep.3), Yavin appeared to be long deserted and used strictly
> as a Rebel hideout, Hoth is a deserted ice world, Cloud City is a minig
> facility in the atmosphere of a gas planet (Bespin), and Endor is a forest
> moon and inhaboted by Ewoks. There's not been any example of luxury
> existing on any of those worlds post-Republic, not just because the
> Emperor controls everything and it's hard to get good things (the Rebels
> scrounge for used transport ships and snub-fighters) but because all of
> those worlds are just "dead" compared to Naboo & Coruscant, the only real
> worlds in Eps.1-3 that appear to be luxurious and rich. It's just the
> worlds involved in the story not the "getting carried away" with anything
> (though I admit the SPFX got very carried away in Eps.1-3).
>
>> 2. Vader in Return of the Jedi
>>
>> Anakin is meant to be 45 at the time of his death. The actor playing him
>> is too old
>>
>
> I wonder how you would look having lost all four limbs, been kept alive
> for about 25-30 years in an iron lung (the Vader suit) and having gotten
> zapped pretty hard with Force Lightning while tossing the most powerful
> Sith Lord down an endless space station shaft? Not too good I'd imagine.
> In the words of Indiana Jones "It's not the years, it's the mileage"
> (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
>
>> 3. Padme
>>
>> Their is no mention of her what so ever throughout Episodes IV, V and VI.
>> I realise that they were made first but when her character was so
>> dominate in I, II and III it seems that her's is a character thread left
>> hanging. In episode III Padme tells Anakin of her sister's children.
>> Therefore Luke and Leia have cousin's are they part of the rebel
>> alliance? Do they every go looking for them? It looks like there is room
>> for more movie's to be made to explain this story line.
>>
>
> Padme wasn't important in Eps.4-6, no really, she wasn't. Luke doesn't
> know about Padme that we know of (though he *must* IMO, because when he
> asks Leia in ROTJ if she remembers her mother, her "real mother" I got the
> feeling that if Owen told Luke about Anakin ("He was a navigator on a
> spice frieghter" "That's what your uncle told you") then it's quite
> plausible he told Luke of Padme too, since Luke knew Owen & Beru were not
> his real parents. Owen may not have known Padme well enough to know about
> Padme's family on Naboo (though they were together a long time -
> overnight - awaiting Anakin's return from his search for his mother). I
> agree it's a good story to fir into the Expanded Universe somewhere....
>

Did Leia know she was adopted?? Bail Organa knew Padme well is it possible
that he may have told her about her mother?

Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204253 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 06:40

KobeWanKenobi

In the Star Wars Dark Empire books by Timothy Zahn, it was mentioned
there that Astromech droid's memories are regularly refreshed. It is
possible that R2D2's succeeding owner/s (after ROTS but before ANH)
refreshed his memory.

Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204254 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 06:59

Fiona Bridges

"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:170120061832284828%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <CMZyf.218917$V7.105447 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Fiona
> Bridges" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm just been watching Episodes I, II, III and IV and found that I'm a
>> little disappointed with the way that the tie ins have been done.
>>
>> 1. Civilisation's in IV, V and VI
>> The style of life and living appears to be behind how they live in the
>> first
>> 3 episodes. It's just my opinion and I'll probably get yelled at for
>> saying
>> it but I think George Lucas got a little carried away with the look of
>> the
>> cities and life.
>
> The galaxy has been under the tight control of the Empire for nearly 20
> years. There has been little technological improvements allowed (except
> for the Empire's own use), so most people are having to make do with
> old droids, vehicles, etc.
>
> Added to this is the fact that we don't ever see similar places. The
> Prequel Trilogy takes place in places like the Naboo Royal Palace, the
> Jedi Temple and the Republic Senate - all places of fairly rich
> decoration and luxury.
>
> The original Trilogy takes place mainly on the backwater planet of
> Tatooine (which we do also see in Episode I and II), a ruined temple on
> Yavin, a make-shift ice-tunnel base on Hoth, the Death Star military
> battle station, a primitve Ewok village, an uninhabited swamp planet
> etc. ... not exactly places of rich decoration and luxury.
>
>
>
>> 2. Vader in Return of the Jedi
>> Anakin is meant to be 45 at the time of his death. The actor playing him
>> is
>> too old
>
> Anakin suffered horrific injuries in Episode III, has been stuck in
> side a life-support suit of armour and has using the Dark Side powers
> for 20 years ... "look so good, you would not".
>

I never considered this. Excuse me while I go give myself an upper cut!!

Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204259 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 16:26

The Man From Mars

Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204265 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 21:02

Anybody

In article <1137476416.191742.106730 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"KobeWanKenobi" <kobewankenobi [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> In the Star Wars Dark Empire books by Timothy Zahn, it was mentioned
> there that Astromech droid's memories are regularly refreshed. It is
> possible that R2D2's succeeding owner/s (after ROTS but before ANH)
> refreshed his memory.

It's possible, but unlikely. Bail Organa appears to have taken both
droids with him and they became the property of the Alderaan Royal
House right up until they used the escape pod to go to Tatooine.

Of course, if you follow the Droids animated series then the droids'
backstory is a little different and conflicts with that of the movies.

Re: Episode 1,2,3 and 4 [message #204266 ]

Di, 17 Januar 2006 21:04

Anybody

In article <4q%yf.218994$V7.135830 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Fiona
Bridges" <fee31377 [at] bigpond.com> wrote:

> "RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1137475181_663 [at] sp1iad.superfeed.net...
> >
> > Padme wasn't important in Eps.4-6, no really, she wasn't. Luke doesn't
> > know about Padme that we know of (though he *must* IMO, because when he
> > asks Leia in ROTJ if she remembers her mother, her "real mother" I got the
> > feeling that if Owen told Luke about Anakin ("He was a navigator on a
> > spice frieghter" "That's what your uncle told you") then it's quite
> > plausible he told Luke of Padme too, since Luke knew Owen & Beru were not
> > his real parents. Owen may not have known Padme well enough to know about
> > Padme's family on Naboo (though they were together a long time -
> > overnight - awaiting Anakin's return from his search for his mother). I
> > agree it's a good story to fir into the Expanded Universe somewhere....
>
> Did Leia know she was adopted?? Bail Organa knew Padme well is it possible
> that he may have told her about her mother?

Leia did know she was adopted at some stage, otherwise would have
reacted differetnyl when Luke asked her about her REAL mother. From her
words in that scene we can guess that she was told that her mother died
when she was very young. Whether she was ever told the name "Padmé" or
any detailed information isn't known.

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