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| Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204209] |
So, 29 Januar 2006 05:29 |
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How many Star Trek books are there that take place in between the first
and second movies? Any more recent than those made in the 80s?
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| Re: Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204210 ] |
So, 29 Januar 2006 17:09 |
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One I'm certain of is a recent one that takes place right after the action
of the first movie. I'm sure there's GOT to be another, but this one I know
about.
<allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
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> How many Star Trek books are there that take place in between the first
> and second movies? Any more recent than those made in the 80s?
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| Re: Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204211 ] |
So, 29 Januar 2006 17:37 |
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<allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
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> How many Star Trek books are there that take place in between the first
> and second movies? Any more recent than those made in the 80s?
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I've never really understood why Meyer decided to imply a large span of time
between TMP and Khan anyway, effectively rebooting the series after just one
movie. TMP has its flaws and detractors, but it did at the very least set
things up for the series, with the crew back together on the Enterprise
after a period of time following TOS. TMP ends with the implication "now
we're off to have some more adventures".
And yet for TWOK, we start in the same state as TMP, with Kirk as a
deskbound admiral hankering after a command again. It has no bearing on the
main plot of TWOK, which would have worked equally well if it had started
with Kirk as captain of the Enterprise. The consequences of the reboot- Kirk
not captain, Enterprise with cadet crew, Spock busted down to first officer
:) have no real bearing on the story, and on the contrary make it slightly
artificial that it has to excuse while this "training vessel" is manned by
Starfleet's finest for a routine training trip around the block. Shouldn't
officers of the calibre of McCoy, Sulu and Uhura be off doing something a
bit more demanding, even if we allow that Spock's decided to be a teacher
for a while?
Just musing, y'know?
Ian
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| Re: Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204213 ] |
So, 29 Januar 2006 19:17 |
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Jaxtraw wrote:
> <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138508970.127277.171790 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> How many Star Trek books are there that take place in between the
>> first and second movies? Any more recent than those made in the 80s?
>>
>
> I've never really understood why Meyer decided to imply a large span
> of time between TMP and Khan anyway, effectively rebooting the series
> after just one movie. TMP has its flaws and detractors, but it did at
> the very least set things up for the series, with the crew back
> together on the Enterprise after a period of time following TOS. TMP
> ends with the implication "now we're off to have some more
> adventures".
>
> And yet for TWOK, we start in the same state as TMP, with Kirk as a
> deskbound admiral hankering after a command again. It has no bearing
> on the main plot of TWOK, which would have worked equally well if it
> had started with Kirk as captain of the Enterprise. The consequences
> of the reboot- Kirk not captain, Enterprise with cadet crew, Spock
> busted down to first officer :) have no real bearing on the story,
> and on the contrary make it slightly artificial that it has to excuse
> while this "training vessel" is manned by Starfleet's finest for a
> routine training trip around the block. Shouldn't officers of the
> calibre of McCoy, Sulu and Uhura be off doing something a bit more
> demanding, even if we allow that Spock's decided to be a teacher for
> a while?
>
> Just musing, y'know?
>
Musing is always good!
I think this was done for a number of reasons:
- Changing the look of the ship and crew (the uniforms!). It would have been
strange to do it so fast if only three or four years had passed. Now it was
some fifteen years.
- Making Kirk an older man. And a bit rusty because of his deskbound job. If
he had been younger and not so out of shape Khan would not have been able to
pull that fast one over him when the Enterprise was first fired upon by the
Reliant.
- The assignments of McCoy etc.... Maybe they were all massively nostalgic
about the Enterprise. And towards each other. They weren't 'just' collegues
and shipmates. They had become 'family'. Chekov otoh being relatively young,
chose a different path.
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Wouter Valentijn
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www.nksf.nl
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"The world that denies thee, thou inhabit.
The peace that ignores thee, thou corrupt.
Chaos. I remain, as ever, thy faithful, degenerate son."
Ethan Rayne, 'Halloween' (Buffy The Vampire Slayer)
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| Re: Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204216 ] |
So, 29 Januar 2006 23:26 |
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<allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138508970.127277.171790 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> How many Star Trek books are there that take place in between the first
> and second movies? Any more recent than those made in the 80s?
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I remember reading somewhere that another 5-year mission occured between TMP
and WOK... can anyone confirm this?
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| Re: Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204217 ] |
Mo, 30 Januar 2006 00:05 |
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"Dough" <dhubler [at] charter.net> wrote in message
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> <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138508970.127277.171790 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > How many Star Trek books are there that take place in between the first
> > and second movies? Any more recent than those made in the 80s?
> >
>
> I remember reading somewhere that another 5-year mission occured between
TMP
> and WOK... can anyone confirm this?
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As I understand it, that's fanon, not confirmed anywhere in canon.
Ian
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| Re: Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204220 ] |
Mo, 30 Januar 2006 00:06 |
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Dough wrote:
> <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138508970.127277.171790 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> How many Star Trek books are there that take place in between the
>> first and second movies? Any more recent than those made in the 80s?
>>
>
> I remember reading somewhere that another 5-year mission occured
> between TMP and WOK... can anyone confirm this?
I read it too.
This is however not canon
In the novelisation of TWoK, McCoy said that Kirk should not have given up
the Enterprise right after V'ger, so...
But that's not canon either. The novelisation I mean.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
"The world that denies thee, thou inhabit.
The peace that ignores thee, thou corrupt.
Chaos. I remain, as ever, thy faithful, degenerate son."
Ethan Rayne, 'Halloween' (Buffy The Vampire Slayer)
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| Re: Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204224 ] |
Mo, 30 Januar 2006 03:36 |
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I also heard that Kirk took the Enterprise out for another 5 somewhere.
Has anybody read Ex Machina?
This site has something about it:
http://www.treknation.com/reviews/books/exmachina.shtml
Sounds interesting.
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| Re: Time between the 1st & 2nd movies [message #204229 ] |
Mo, 30 Januar 2006 10:13 |
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"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
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> <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138508970.127277.171790 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> How many Star Trek books are there that take place in between the first
>> and second movies? Any more recent than those made in the 80s?
>>
>
> I've never really understood why Meyer decided to imply a large span of
> time
> between TMP and Khan anyway, effectively rebooting the series after just
> one
> movie. TMP has its flaws and detractors, but it did at the very least set
> things up for the series, with the crew back together on the Enterprise
> after a period of time following TOS. TMP ends with the implication "now
> we're off to have some more adventures".
>
> And yet for TWOK, we start in the same state as TMP, with Kirk as a
> deskbound admiral hankering after a command again. It has no bearing on
> the
> main plot of TWOK, which would have worked equally well if it had started
> with Kirk as captain of the Enterprise. The consequences of the reboot-
> Kirk
> not captain, Enterprise with cadet crew, Spock busted down to first
> officer
> :) have no real bearing on the story, and on the contrary make it slightly
> artificial that it has to excuse while this "training vessel" is manned by
> Starfleet's finest for a routine training trip around the block. Shouldn't
> officers of the calibre of McCoy, Sulu and Uhura be off doing something a
> bit more demanding, even if we allow that Spock's decided to be a teacher
> for a while?
>
> Just musing, y'know?
>
> Ian
>
> --
> www.jaxtrawstudios.com
> science-fiction comics with shagging in
>
>
Actually, on the Special Features disc of Star Trek II, Harve Bennett
explains this. He wanted to tie the original series into a movie (first
envisioned as a TV movie). He went through every episode and decided that
the episode "Space Seed" would be the best story line to build upon. Also,
another reason that they went so far into the future was so that the
characters could catch up with the actors ages. I agree with this.
In Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Scotty explains that the Enterprise had
just had an 18 month refit. That means that the Enterprise and her crew had
returned from their 5 year mission about 2 years earlier, give or take a few
months. So, the Kirk that we see stepping off the shuttle at the beginning
of the movie had dealt with the planet killer just 5 years before that, but
in my opinion, he looks much older. Remember, Star Trek went off the air in
1969 and hit the silver screen in 1979.
Hope that helps...
BTW, in the Star Trek comic books, we are let to believe that the Enterpise
launches on another long term mission, although during the first 2 movies,
Kirk is still an Admiral. Admirals don't normally command ships except in
time of war (see The Best Of Both Worlds). I don't agree with this, although
I'm not sure if the comic books are Canon. Kirk returns to Star Fleet a hero
after solving the V'Ger mystery, is moved up the ranks yet again (as
dictator, I suppose, lol) and Spock becomes an instructor for Star Fleet
Academy, so it would be my guess that during those years between the movies
(as per Kirk and McCoys conversation in II), Kirk got stuck as a desk
jockey, started feeling his age (not to mention his boredom) and the
memories of the whiz bang years "hoppin' galaxies" got to him. This may have
lead to him being a bit rusty in Star Trek II, and perhaps a bit wreckless.
Funny that it took Spock's death to get his life in gear again. I hope my
wife doesn't think like that :-)....
ITTOD
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